Drugs

[Gandalf]

Here Frank, these 'focus three' areas of counsiousness.. from what i have experienced of them myself and what I've read, once constructed, they appear very stable, as stable as anything physical in fact, and seem to exist independantly of whether I am 'there' or not. 'The park' for example, appears to exist in a common form that trundles along of its own accord whether i am there or not.

I remember Ginny was talking once of how she was in some vast and elabourate complex; she found that even the present occupants didnt know who originally set it up; all they knew was that it had been constructed by people yonks ago who had long since moved on, but now others were coming in and staying there and decided to leave it as it was, since it was so impressive.. Again, the created enviroment itself seemed permanent, despite who was occupying it.

How does this fit with your focus three model?

Doug

[Ben K]

Frank:

1 more quick question. This may seem a bit odd, but I have also heard of alot of people communicating with there pets telepathically, as well as other people, while under the influence.

Would you say that this takes place in F3 or F4? Also, could you even communicate with a pet?

[Frank]

Doug:

Yes, I am aware of Ginny’s recount and I’m not at variance. Focus 3 is very physical-like as it is an area of common consensus reality, as opposed to Focus 2, which is an area of individual creation. But in all these areas, the reality exists whether you are focused there or not. The only difference is the nature of the subjective energy interactions.

Ultimately, it’s a question of what you are moving through.

Each of us moves through our own individual continuum of consciousness from Focus 1 to Focus 4. Or more rather Focus 4 to Focus 1 (as Focus 1 is the end result). This is our focus stream of attention. We can move “up and down” this continuum of consciousness and view the events that we offer ourselves. But all the while, we are moving within our own mind. We may subjectively interact with another focus that we objectively view as another person, or we may subjectively interact with a pool of energy that has been deposited that we objectively view as a building. But all the while we are situated within our own continuum of consciousness. We are never “independent” of our own mind. All that changes is the nature of the subjective energy interaction.

The individual continuum(s) of consciousness that related to the person/people who constructed the buildings of which you speak, still exist. The continuum still holds the energy deposits, and it is that which the people were subjectively interacting with, that they objectively viewed as buildings. What it all boils down to, is what we perceive as objective reality is, in fact, a translation of the underlying subjective energy expression.

In the physical, we may sit on the toilet, drive a car, or go down the pub with the lads, but we are still within our own body. All that changes is the nature of the interaction. Problem is, people get a bit “body” fixated and fail to realise that a body is merely an objective representation of the accumulation of a particular set of expectations regarding the enactment of certain types of actions within particular areas of consciousness. It holds no other purpose. Ultimately, we are not a body but a focus personality moving along a particular stream of attention within the wider reality.

Someone made a point against me the other day, saying, how can it possibly be subjective reality when you can view it objectively? Unfortunately, this is the equivalent of watching the sun and concluding the sun revolves around the earth. It’s obvious the sun revolves around the earth, I can see it does therefore it must. Well, science makes its living cutting great swathes through stuff like that.

Objectivity, in fact, is a translation of the underlying subjective energy expression. I stop short of saying that objective reality is an illusion, because it is very real. Anyone who thinks objective reality is an illusion should teach themselves better by walking into the nearest lamppost. But objective reality does not exist as an independent entity. It is a translation of the underlying subjective energy.

Without that underlying subjective energy, objective reality would just black out. It would be the equivalent of pulling the plug on a piece of electrical equipment. Everything physical would just disintegrate into individual atoms and then individual atoms themselves would disintegrate into progressively smaller particles (including us). This would hold true within Focus 3 also, even though structures within Focus 3 are not made of atoms, but of what are commonly called “finer” states of matter.

Reading this people may perhaps be wondering where all this subjective energy comes from... it comes from Focus 4 of consciousness. Focus 4 is the subjective energy source that “fuels” our whole sense of objective reality.

Yours,
Frank

[Frank]

Ben:

This is possible, though I have never done it myself, but in theory it is possible and telepathy is an interaction within F2.

Yours,
Frank

NOTE: I edited this post as I initially said F1 in error, I meant F2.

[Ben K]

Frank: This may or may not be wayyy too off topic but could you define "subjective" for me? i know the traditional "dependent on your thoughts,emotions, etc" but would you sort of explain the whole subjective energy thing for me?

Also, if the energy in this "physical world" is objective, how is it that monks and highly trained people can alter it, via telekinisis, etc? Do they alter the translation of the subjective energy?

[Nostic]

I think many of you guys are selling drugs short. I used to think in the same way to an extent. I had no interest in trying any drug. But frustration with my practice became too much and I have taken the plunge recently. I should note that I've never in my life done any hard drugs. Most of my experience has been with Salvia tincture. I've also smoked Salvia and a few other legal herbal blends. In all honesty, when on these drugs, I've never experienced anything other than a amplified version of what I feel everyday when I'm doing my energy work or breathing exercises. I have really no desire to "trip", get high, or get spaced-out. But I feel I've genuinely been helped by these substances. They help to relax my body, which leads me to achieve a deeper breath and to raise my energy to higher levels. These effect do tend to wear off as the drug wears off. But at the same time, they can be recreated if you continue to practice without the use of the drugs.

It should be remembered that shamanistic use of drugs has an ancient history. It really depends on what your intention is and how you approach the situation. As long as you're using the [legal] drug of your choice as a supplement to your practice, and are responsible in your approach, I think it's really ok.

I've been practicing for 4 years now btw. So it's like I'm some newbie that's gotten frustrated and turned to drugs after a coupe of weeks.

[greggkroodsma]

Has anybody tried using drugs as a means to attain the experiense like: ie Nitrous Oxide, dmt, Ketamine  etc etc?

Drugs don't take you into any kind of experience, they numb the things that hold you back from the experience.  If you didn't have to worry about the flesh and if we didn't have the heavy elements pumped into our atmosphere, we could probably ride the waves of solar wind to the next planet.  But, somewhere along the line of history, we gained flesh; and that is what holds us back. 

The experience I have had with Nitrous Oxide is when I go to the dentist and I can't figure out why they want me back so much.  Might be that they want to give me some gas.   

Realize that the elemental content of the earth is slowly being leached out by the acid in the rain.  The earth is just like your body; your body too is in equillibrium between acid and alkaline.  In Amsterdam, hemp grows everywhere, but the hemp there out in the open has no drug in it; no THC.  The 'pot' sold in the shops are different though; they grow them in the shops.  Take the seed from a plant grown in the shop and plant it outside, it will slowly lose the THC.  The drugs that are around now, like the mushroom, is different.  I have only done one kind, that's Psyllicibin, I guess.  And It was a very enlightening experience, something akin to what the astronauts experince in space.  But, I love pot!  I like Melatonin, but too much Melatonin for too long will do the opposite. 

5-HTP is the precursor to seratonin which is the precursor to melatonin, but 5-HTP is a calming neurotransmitter and too much will make you fly into a rage, like your body is telling you, 'STOP!'  I just found out that DMT will not effect you unless you take an MAOI with it.  Now 5-HTP, Melatonin, and DMT are almost the same.

DMT - N,N-dimethyltryptamine
Melatonin - 5-methoxy-N-acetyltryptamine
5-HTP - 5-Hydroxytryptophan