Gateway Wave1 pointers

[clandestino]

nice one Frank - we do appreciate the time you put into that post !!

Even though I did feel I had some success in trying to project after using the CD a few times, I suspect that this was just coincidence, and I posted it because I was quite excited ! The pointers that Jeff Mash suggested (staring at an image) are in no way related to the CD.

Anyway, thanks for the length and detail, I'll try a similar style of approaching the exercises and keep everyone posted on any progress.
Mark

 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Great post http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> Thanks for that and your time!

I need to go through the details, but one thing is immediately apparent, and that is the great importance of symbolism and imagination in Astral work.

As I said in a previous post, imagination isn't something that people have a figment of exactly - imagination is an attribute of the Spirit, necessary for creating out of the Astral substance. Imagination becomes the reality.

Symbolism is also very powerful - indeed - much of the bible was originally symbolism, which the writers took literally as occuring in the material world. But people do project through symbols of e.g. the elements, or realms which have fixed symbols such a silver cauldron, golden apples etc..

Thanks again.

with best regards,

Adrian.

[astralmaster]

Frank,
Thank you so much for the extra detail. That kind of detail is much needed and appreciated.
I particularly liked your idea of putting your physical body in the energy conversion box.
But let me ask you: what do you do during the resonant tuning? Do you actually hum along like RM says?

Thanks



David

[Frank]

Yes, I make a sound that resonates with the CD and the harp. But it's imaginary not literally.

Also, could I please reiterate what Adrian has said in his last post. Imagination is a very powerful tool that is not of the Physical body.

Well, all the lower stuff is such as doubt and fear. In the sense that someone might imagine something is going to turn out bad, so they begin to fear the outcome, and so on. But when you clear out all that stuff, you get to see (or sense) the higher imagination. Which is all very visual and more abstract. This kind of imagination is very Astral oriented.

As I keep saying, the Astral is right there on border of the upper reaches of your imagination. That's why the stronger you imagine, the closer the point comes where you actually project your focal point of awareness into whatever it is you are imagining. At which point you find yourself standing within the Astral. You don't have to travel anywhere, or create anything to get to it. It's right there already.

Yours,
Frank



 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks once again for your excellent detail on these experiences.

And yes - imagination is an extremely powerful attribute of the Spirit, and source of creation in the Astral realms. I think people might be afraid to use imagination, thinking it is not real, or a "figment", but it is very real, and very powerful.

Frank: Could I ask you this - when you are "in" the Astral, either from your early morning OBE and/or from your focus 10 work, can you sense your physical body, e.g. arms, legs, feet etc.., or do they just sort of blend intothe background and effectively become unnoticable? I suspect alot of people might be put off from higher states due to the constant awareness of their pysical state - pressures of sitting, pins and needles, itches etc..

The question - are you totally absorbed and at one with the Astral experience to the point where you are unaware of your physical body and its position? I am particularly interested from the Focus 10 perspective, since that is more like meditation than an OBE in absolute terms.

Thanks again.

With best regards,

Adrian.



 

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian:
I think people might be afraid to use imagination, thinking it is not real, or a "figment", but it is very real, and very powerful.

With me, the big stumbling block was trusting that my imagination was reaching out to somewhere. That's where faith comes into it quite a bit. At first, you are lying there going through the process on the CD, but you can still feel your physical body. And the feeling of your imagination feels weak by comparison.

Hence it is so very tempting to think, "Oh, this is stupid, this 'aint gonna work." But after going through the process a couple of hundred times, the contact you have with your imagination becomes far more powerful than the Physical. Well, under those relaxed circumstances when you are practising I mean. You don't want to be driving to work and suddenly the Astral side of things takes over.

The turning point comes when you get all the timing right (it was with me, at any rate). That's when the whole thing takes on a life of its own.

quote:
Frank: Could I ask you this - when you are "in" the Astral, either from your early morning OBE and/or from your focus 10 work, can you sense your physical body, e.g. arms, legs, feet etc.., or do they just sort of blend intothe background and effectively become unnoticable? I suspect alot of people might be put off from higher states due to the constant awareness of their pysical state - pressures of sitting, pins and needles, itches etc..

I like the phrase, "blend into the background". Before I was struggling to try and explain to you the feeling of this new-found projection process. I said it felt more like the scenery had changed, rather than bodies. But, then again, there is an awareness that you are not exactly in your physical body. But the physical body is always kinda there somehow.

I see it now like a revolving door. Turn it 180degs and the person at the back is now at the front, turn it another 180degs and the opposite is the case. It's like you change your phasing and the one at the front sees all the action and the one at the back sits quiet. Then the phasing changes.

quote:
The question - are you totally absorbed and at one with the Astral experience to the point where you are unaware of your physical body and its position? I am particularly interested from the Focus 10 perspective, since that is more like meditation than an OBE in absolute terms.

From the Focus10 perspective, I have an awareness that, down the corridor, is a physical body. I can feel it if I want to, or not if I don't.

Yours,
Frank






 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks for your explanations - most useful and interesting!

I think you really have something here - something potentially far more meaningful than a conventional OBE. By raising your awareness, or "focus" to the Astral level in this way, and being attached rather than detached as it were from the experience, I would think that it is far more objective and most importantly you can bring back full recall.

Question: Are you an observer from the "focus" perspective, or can you fully interact with the environment and the people there, e.g. your guide?

You should also find that you are not limited to the Astral. You should be able to raise your awareness to the Mental, Celestial and eventually Cosmic levels of consciousness, and the Astral will not seem the same again then.

The thing with the Astral is that that the people there are the same as the people here, same attitudes, outlook, desires etc., except they are discarnate. That is one reason why they are still in the Astral of course, until they can rid themslves of the earthly materialism, passions and desires. Beyond the Astral the Spiritual knowledge available is incredible.

Another very real possibility for the Astral however is to contact the higher intelligences there who can impart some truly advanced knowledge. These intelligences are responsible for almost every aspect of the evolution of mankind, and have vast genuine knowldege between them. Also of course, there are the beings of the single elements who can impart vast knowledge regarding the element to which they belong.

Apologies for the rambling - but the point I am trying to make is that once controlled Astral level work is possible with full recall, the possibilities of using it as a launchpad for greater progression is immense.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian:
I think you really have something here - something potentially far more meaningful than a conventional OBE. By raising your awareness, or "focus" to the Astral level in this way, and being attached rather than detached as it were from the experience, I would think that it is far more objective and most importantly you can bring back full recall.

Yes, because there is no feeling of detachment from the physical-body it feels, in a sense, like one continuous process. So there isn't any great hole that your memories fall through (as they used to, with me, when I did things the old way).

quote:
Question: Are you an observer from the "focus" perspective, or can you fully interact with the environment and the people there, e.g. your guide?

Yes, I can fully interact but, when listening to the CD, I curtail my actions as it's so easy to go off and forget I'm invoved in a training exercise. Sometimes I can't wait for the CD to finish whereupon I zip back to F10 and project freely.

quote:
You should also find that you are not limited to the Astral. You should be able to raise your awareness to the Mental, Celestial and eventually Cosmic levels of consciousness, and the Astral will not seem the same again then.

I use the term "Astral" as a general term that, to me, describes any projection I may have. From one of your other posts. I now realise the true earthly meaning of the word. Thing is, all the "beings" I met on the Astral are just people at the end of the day.

My regular guide, Harath, for example, is not of this physical Earth. But he's a nice helpful guy who is trying to expand my (rather limited) mind. For which I am grateful.

quote:
The thing with the Astral is that that the people there are the same as the people here, same attitudes, outlook, desires etc., except they are discarnate. That is one reason why they are still in the Astral of course, until they can rid themslves of the earthly materialism, passions and desires. Beyond the Astral the Spiritual knowledge available is incredible.

Another very real possibility for the Astral however is to contact the higher intelligences there who can impart some truly advanced knowledge. These intelligences are responsible for almost every aspect of the evolution of mankind, and have vast genuine knowldege between them. Also of course, there are the beings of the single elements who can impart vast knowledge regarding the element to which they belong.

Yes, you come across those people who are discarnate. In the sense that they had, and now do not have, a physical sheathe. But, along the line, you get to meet those who have never been incarnate on this physical Earth. It's kinda freaky at first, especially as they are just as curious about you; as you are curious about them.

Yours,
Frank

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino:
nice one Frank - we do appreciate the time you put into that post !!

Even though I did feel I had some success in trying to project after using the CD a few times, I suspect that this was just coincidence, and I posted it because I was quite excited ! The pointers that Jeff Mash suggested (staring at an image) are in no way related to the CD.

I should mention right away that I have never tried any of those CD's, so I hope that my example of 'looking at an image' didn't sound like I was trying to sum up Monroe's process.  It's just the technique I use.

However, although my description was simpler, I find that I utilize a lot of the SAME techniques that Frank does, just in my own way.

For example, when I first lay down to project, I have to deal with a lot of THOUGHTS. This is because my mind is till buzzing with all the thoughts that I've been focusing on in my physical, day-to-day life.  

"Who is going to win American Idol?"
"I wonder what work will be like tomorrow."
"What am I going to do for my birthday this Sunday?"
etc......

After I QUIET my thoughts, I end up seeing fleeting images.  My mind is still a bit active, but the thoughts turn to quick images.

"Oh look...bright color!"
"Hey, that looked like a fish or something!"
"Are those stars?"

As you can see, I've now moved into a point where I'm no longer concentrating on my day-to-day thoughts, but I moved into a more visual, abstract mindset.

After this, my mind begins to quiet as my body goes to sleep, and the images become more stable.  Instead of seeing a quick flash of something which looks like a bird or a book, the image remains there longer.  My mind no longer says, "Wow, look at how real this image appears!"  Instead, it passively acknowledges that it's travelling further and further up the "consciousness cone."  This is what Frank talks about....the stronger  your imagination becomes, the closer you are to the astral.

The stronger these images become, two things happen for me:

1) They remain longer in my field of vision (without disappearing or changing)
2) They start to take on a three dimensional aspect

I believe it is at this point that you can melt into the background, or phase your surroundings to step right into the astral.  Usuaully, what happens to me, is that I lose consciousness for a specific amount of time (sometimes seconds, sometimes hours).....at which point, I quickly SNAP back to my conscious awareness.  My body is completely asleep, but my mind is wide awake (thanks to the process I went through in the previous paragraphs).

From there, I'm aware that I'm in my room still, and I simply roll out and find myself in the RTZ.  I have two current goals:

1) Don't lose consciousness, but simply meld into the astral by shifting my awareness.  This would bypass the RTZ altogether.

2) Contact my guide/higher self, no matter which plane I find myself in (astral, RTZ, etc).

Anyway, I notice a lot of similarities between my technique and Franks, so I thought I would share that with you guys (and gals!).


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[Tisha]

Clive?  A butler?  How British!  Hee!

Thank you Frank, for this post.  It demonstrates an important point, that although you advise us that the Astral is as close as next door, that doesn't necessarily mean you can "blip" there on a whim.  You are as advanced a projector as this forum has seen in awhile, and your personal ritual is pretty extensive.  It gives the rest of us an idea for how to improve our own half-a**ed methods.  I mean, no WONDER I'm having such difficulty; my imagination is nowhere near as engaged as yours.

Something else, I'd like to throw out, in case someone might be able to use it:  I use the Gateway CD, and I find that I need more time to do the exercises than Mr. Monroe allows, because I have trouble with my imagination.  For instance, my energy bubble is only half-formed when he moves on to the next part.  I've found that, after playing the CD, repeating the Gateway  exercises with a Theta-wave CD (a long one, lasting over 1 hour), I can take as long as I need to with the imagery, and move on to the next part when I am ready.  I still use the Gateway CD for the "brain-training" though.

Frank, thank you for sharing !!!!!!!!!!!


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[Frank]

Tisha, my imagination is as "engaged" as much as it is, by default I'm afraid. I just stumbled upon it, if the truth were known... and it all just snowballed from there.

Yours,
Frank

PS

Jeff_M's post contains much useful info also. He says about how he can relate so much to what I describe; but the feeling, to me, is mutual. Our respective "techniques" are very similar.

[Tisha]

by the way, congratulations on becoming a gold member!


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[Frank]

Yes, thank you. Your observations are much appreciated (as always).

Yours,
Frank

 

[ralphm]

Does anyone think if this imagination process could be used with one of the music hemi-sync cd's or other music/nature cd's? This process is different than what I try/experience, however it may take me beyond my usual stopping point, since I do not get much of astral vision, only a glimpse of a vision change starting, maybe imagination would allow me to leap across.

 

[svnmn]

During the few years I practiced remote viewing three times a week, I used two of the Hemi-Sync music tapes over and over.  One was named 'Higher' and the other was named 'Winds over the World'.  Although I cannot say exactly what brainwave mixes these entrained me to, they did seem helpful in calming me and producing a reliable physical state, allowing me to focus on the work I was attempting to do.

Each of the Hemi-Sync musical numbers is set up for a different mix of frequencies, so the one you choose may matter to that degree.

Steve

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