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[Tia]

I have listened to that CD many times but after reading your post Frank,  I just realised I have no imagination whatsoever!  From now on I will be having a different experience.  Thank you.

 

[kifyre]

Isn't this just a tad more difficult than putting yourself into a trance and pulling on a rope? http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Mark

 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks again!

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that all the beings in the Astral are discarnate people passed over from Earth on their way to higher realms. My suggestion was that those that are from Earth are still very "Earthly" in their outlook and actions, and which is why they are still in the Astral, and have limited or no profound incremental knowledge.

As you rightly point out however, there are many other beings in the Astral realms who are not previously from Earth. Such beings are the beings of the single Elements - Sylph's, Undines, Salamanders and Gnomes  - all symbolic representations for very real and important beings, and then there are the very high intelligences of the sphere who are working with the high authorities on the progress of mankind - there are not many of them, but they are extremely powerful and possess incredible knowledge. They are also contactable and will impart that knowledge if appropriate.

Of course the Astral and higher Spiritual realms are a continuum  - unlike the physical universe which has suns, planets, solar systems, galaxies etc.., and accordingly all Astral life previously from the physical universe, as well as those that are there more permanently, live together in one large "realm" in accordance with their degree of "perfection" and possibly other factors which might or might not be the case with Harath - e.g. they are their to help.  There are numerous physical planets with human like beings, and when such beings end their physical lives, they go to the same places as humans and presumably all live together as one large family of Souls at the same level of Spiritual progression. Such beings as Angels are on an entirely different evolutionary path to human beings.

I would be most interested to here where Harath is from if you can ever find out, or whether he is a permanent Astral resident, there to assist.

The point is though, once these realms can be visited, and the experience controlled and remembered, the information and knowledge gained can be profound.

Thanks again!

With kind regards,

Adrian.

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by kifyre:
Isn't this just a tad more difficult than putting yourself into a trance and pulling on a rope? http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Mark

The whole thrust behind my thinking is to try and work out what Monroe meant when he writes about "phasing in" to the Astral as opposed to the traditional out of body experience.

I tried the rope-trick ages ago, but got bored with it. Climbing the same old rope every morning became too much of a burden. This way is far more involving and much more of a mental challenge to get right.

Yours,
Frank



 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

One thing I am still somewhat unclear about is this statement:

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Yes, I can fully interact but, when listening to the CD, I curtail my actions as it's so easy to go off and forget I'm invoved in a training exercise. Sometimes I can't wait for the CD to finish whereupon I zip back to F10 and project freely.

If you can fully interact and achieve everything you could previously achieve, and with the immense benefit of complete recall, why is it you that you "can't wait for the CD to finish whereupon I zip back to F10 and project freely."

From what you have been saying about the Focus method, I can't understand why you would be in such a hurry to go back your old, traditional method?

Anyway, we should I think be very mindful of the fact that originally Monroe was an exponent of traditional Astral projection. I believe his method involved "reaching out" for the vibrations and pulling them into your body.

However: We are grateful to Monroe for founding his institute, and conducting a huge amount of research ito the subject of "consciousness" and spefically raising consciousness and awareness to the realms beyond the physical. It seems to me at least that Monroe made massive strides in progress in these areas, and hence the hemi-sync, focus levels and so on, and which were clearly way beyond traditional Astral projection for the reason we have discussed here. The reasons include much more objectivity and control, and most of all complete memory recall, without which the experience is almost meaningless.

That is why I am so interested in Frank's work. He has experience of traditional OBE and its limitations, and has now followed the same path as Monroe before him, and discovered a whole new level of obtaining reeal meaning from the whole higher consciousness experience. And after all, is that not the objective? Unless of course people are pursuing Astral projection for purely novelty and recreational purposes - which is fine if that is what people want. But there is a vast amount of valuable knowledge and experience to be gained from the realms beyond the physical, and surely the objective must be to make the most of them?

I apologise to Frank in advance if I have misunderstood.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

[alpha]

nice  thread,it will be of great help to me,when I finally get my cds.Hopefully it will arrive this time.They had to reship it.


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[Tia]

I dont look at these CD's as a way to Astrally Project, for me they are a way of re-training the brain.   Because my brain wont let me past all my accumulated beliefs, I think the affirmation is a great way of getting through that fear barrier - the whole CD is like training wheels.  I have only been OBE once and only for a second, rope trick doesn't work.  I know nothing about Monroe but I have experienced a lot of 'interesting things' which I directly relate to the CD.  I have to settle for that for the time being.

 

[Windameir]

Frank...
WOW ! how Wonderfull that all this has come about from "Okay, tell me what are you imagining when you go from the energy conversion box to Focus 3?" Quite frankly I hadn't Imagined much of anything except the Energy convertion box which I invisioned as a golden pirate chest, beyond that I had put my wories of the day inside and like you had imagined pulling my physical body sheath off and adding it to the box. but beyond that I had pretty much just followed Monroe along with the resonant-tuning hummiing along and so on without getting much more than some hypnogogic images from behind my eyelids. Well after thinking of your question of what I imagened while listening to the cd's the very next time I listened to Orentation and Focus 10 when I got to the resonant-tuning I was listening instead of humming along and seeing nothing but blackness behind my eyelids when a strange thing happened..I saw a man sitting in a black reclineing chair, he had a neatly trimed jet black beard and mustache with nicely trimed sideburns and  was rather stout and balding only on the top of his head, he had kind of a english manner to his voice (if you have seen a show called sliders there is a man who resembles this man somewhat on that show) the resonant tuning was going on in the background at the time and as I looked at him he said " You don't really think those voices are real do you?" ........and then my darn dog got up and Shook! breaking my concentration. It was such a pity. I sure would have liked to have been able to respond. ....N E way Thanks so much for the insight, I dont' suppose anyone else has seen this guy  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>  How curious

Happy Travels
Windameir

[Frank]

Adrian: Either you misunderstood, or I didn't make myself clear enough.

I can no-longer project my "old way". Not sure exactly why that is, though, thinking about it in computer-software terms, it feels like the new version of Windows has overwritten the old version. So I cannot boot using the old version anymore.

Nowadays, when going through the exercise to Focus 10 and back, I often start to slip into what I call "countdown to projection" mode. I'll begin seeing whirls of foggy colour and abstract images (stray energy stage) which I use as a milestone that tells me projection within the Astral is just about to happen. Which is all very nice. Because to be able to do that with such relative ease *is* what I have been working on the past six months.

However, I do like to be thorough. And it is the very fact that I have been so thorough, that has got me to this stage. Plus, it is also a question of control and mental discipline. Not only that, I am (as yet) nowhere near achieving my goal of achieving repeated, controlled conscious-exit projections with the ease Monroe writes about. Basically, I want to be able to just lie back, take a few deep breaths and "phase in".

The mental imagery, coupled with the use of the CD, may seem (to some) to be a bit long winded. But one glaring aspect of projection has come about from my work, and that is: you have to learn to project slowly, before you can project quick.

Consider also that when doing it without the CD, you can run through the process in just as much detail but in *half* the time. Plus, it is possible to add further refinements such as my "fast track" declaration process. Which works very well. I enter the declaration room as before and, instead of reading the declaration out loud, I'm handed a form to sign. The declaration is written out on the form. I read it through, agree and sign, then the door opens and off I go to Focus 3.

Oh, I spoke to Harath this morning. Not much happened. For some reason he was making me do all these sight exercises. He'd cause different shapes to come up on a wall about 20 feet away and I had to say what they were. Such as red triangle, blue circle and so on. I asked him where he was from and his exact reply was, "Where I'm from is not important" and he just kept insisting we do these darned exercises. Next thing this "school minibus" drove up with a load of children inside and I had to help him usher them into "school" after which I had to leave (physical-body demand).

Yours,
Frank

   
   

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Yes, I confess I did misunderstand regarding your "old" projection technique.

But OTOH, as I implied before, I think you could well be following a course which should rapidly lead to controlled, extended, objective and memorable Astral work at will. This would be a very great achievement for sure.

I am very interested in what the swirls and stray energy look like in more detail, and how long it takes to manifest an turn into something more Astral.

As for the excercises of Harath - most interesting! It sounds very like the technique used to project into (through a symbil) the kingdoms of the single elements - Fire, Water, Air and Earth. These are the elements from which everything in the Universe (all realms) was created, and from which the electric and magnetic fluids originate. Of course these fluids and the elements are not the same as the physical things, but analogous to them. All creation started with heat and expansion from the element of Fire, which has as its primary characteristics heat and light.

But I diversify - by projecting, or entering into the kingdoms of the elements through the symbol analogous to each - you can meet and interact with the beings of the single elements - Sylphs (Air), Undines (Water), Salamanders (Fire) and Gnomes (Earth), and these beings are very useful to know!

I am just guessing of course, and might be completely wrong http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> Maybe it was just some sort of objectivity test excercise?

Anyway, thanks again - as I keep saying, you are really onto something here.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[SteppenWolf]

Hey Frank -

I am so incredibly grateful for you sharing your technique and to Jeff Mash too for the different angle.  I did the Monroe Tapes for a long while before I realised that they were missing all the most important instructions for actually projecting!  (NOT impressed!!!)

I really think that your personal technique is such an important addendum that I think it would be great if you could make an article out of what you've written so far.  I just think that otherwise the postings might be difficult to find.  (And I had a hard time finding your previous posting on the cone of consciousness too.)

Bloody awesome stuff!!!

Cheers!  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

 

[Frank]

Thank you for all your kind comments, and I am grateful that you have given such consideration and attention to what I have to say.

Yours,
Frank


 

[wierdzly]

Gateway Gateway Gateway. In the past Iv'e used other similiar guided meditations like William Buhlmans 4 tape set (very good), Transcendance by Hemi Sync and Mind voyage Astral Trance (good for loosening up from the body). They kept me motivated and I eventually had a few oob's. Some woman on another site recommended Wave 3 to me but Hemi sync refused to sell it to me until I went through the other Waves.

So after reading these posts I became curious and recently ordered Gateway 1 1-6. So far I like them,  will be able to stick to a once a day meditation. They are worth the money, having 6 different meditations on 3 cd's for $99.00.

If you patiently use them like Frank and don't expect them to magically project you instantaneously, you won't go wrong.

WEIRDZLY!

[Adrian]

Greetings WEIRDZLY!

Yes, you make some excellent points.

If people expect to load the CD, put on their headphones and zap into the Astral, they will be disappointed I am sure. But if they are used as long term tools for raising consciousness, and eventually maintaining that level of consciousness without the help of the CD's, I am sure it could be worthwhile.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[TheJza]

Frank:
Thank you very much for posting this. Looks like I was totally wrong in my approach. I only used my imagination a little bit, but I always kept my consciousness near my physical body, and would always do a check to see if I could still feel my body or not. I really like the walking away from the body approach.
I have 3 questions for you:
1. When you do the imagining, do you imaging in a third or first person view? I try to imagine in a first person view, but it always seems like I am imagining me watching myself walk everywhere.
2. Do you do this laying down or sitting up?
3. How often do you fall asleep while doing these exercises? Did you fall asleep a lot at first and gradually remain conscious?

I tried your approach last and and ended up falling asleep at the declaration part. I had been out of town and was travelling that day, so I think it was a combination of laying down and being a little travel tired. I might start doing the exercises in the computer room on a lazy boy chair. What do you think?