Gateway Wave1 pointers

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks so much for your detailed reply. I will absorbe and comment on it later. Right now I need to collect the kids from school http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

With best regards,

Adrian.


 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks once again for your much appreciated time in sharing this with us!

I have to say that I really do think you ae onto something extremely valuable here, and I thank you sincerely for sharing it with us.

You have a controlled, reliable, vivid, reproduceable and above all memorable Astral method, and which is clearly, to me anyway, a generation ahead of the conventional "forced" OBE - and it all makes alot of sense as well.

I like "Astral portal" as well - because that descibes it more or less exactly. And such portals can be created for different aspects of the Astral  - i.e., each Astral portal leads to a different Astral environment and beings.

I do have a project in mind, but I want to assimilate all of this valuable data first. But again, I am utterly convinced about this, and we definitely need to keep this in the forefront.  I am locking the topic in place for starters, so it doesn't go anywhere http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Thanks again.

With best regards,

Adrian.


 

[clandestino]

hello there folks, with a tube strike forcing me to "work from home"  tomorrow, I've got plenty of opportunity to continue practising with wave 1 cd !

Just thought I'd throw in my progress so far. I've listened to the CD once every couple of days, and I'm attempting to do this early morning.... tricky at first, but the habit is slowly developing.

After ....maybe 20 - 30 listens, using a scenario a little different from Frank's ,
 I am finding that it is becoming easier to keep my mind engaged in the whole imaginary scene I've constructed. At first I had to battle to keep my mind from wandering, but this is becoming less of a struggle.

Still falling asleep occasionally, ......no real progress to report to be honest !

Regarding Adrian's astral portal - I'm picturing it as a staging post between different astral planes / areas / Focuses ? Would it then be feasible to create a portal from the astral to the real time zone using this same technique of moving between different focus levels ?
cheers
Mark

 

[Tisha]

Hi!!!!!  I'm doing it too!!!!!  I'm setting up my own, tailor-made scenario.  It's much more fanciful and romantic and magical, of course, but hey - - - if Frank can have a butler, why can't I have a Fairy?   A talking horse?   Instead of an elevator, or a hut . . .  how about a magic carpet?  Or a castle?  Or a Mercedez-Benz zooming on the C1-C10 highway?  The options are ENDLESS.   . . . . oooohh, now I'm thinking, Italian Countryside!  How can I work in a vinyard?http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_tongue.gif" border=0>

I'll share the scenario (and my success) when I get it all down.

I'm even rearranging my own (real-time) bedroom so that it matches my visualizations better, because I'm working a bedroom into the sequence.  This bedroom will be my safe-space if I find myself in a pickle while on the astral.

Sorry I've been AWOL but this painting project has overtaken my life.  My entire downstairs looks like a garage on Moving Day!


Tisha

"As Above, So Below"

[Adrian]

Greetings Tisha!

Sounds like a very nice Astral portal http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

But that is one of the points about this. You are creating, and establishing, your own personal portal as a "launching pad" into the Astral proper, and to that end it needs to be a sequence that you can remember and find interesting and captivating enough not to be tedious.

In that way, you wil, I am sure, l look forward to  going through the sequence knowing you will be stepping out into the Astral at the other end.

If you do this, please let us all know how it goes

With kind regards,

Adrian.


 

[lucid dancer]

I haven't read Robert Monroe's books, so I'm not familiar with the 'focus' areas. The way Frank describes the steps, it seems very scientific and timed. If I try this technique on my own, do I have to be disciplined like that.... or can I keep it simple?     By the way, Frank thanks for sharing your info. You've inspired me!

 

[Frank]

It's good to hear people getting creative. Yes, the possibilities are truly endless. Though please do always bear in mind the objective is to project within the Astral, and the imagery is merely a prop that sets the stage for the next Act. (Imagine a real stage where just a few abstract forms, here and there, can so very easily set the tone of the next Act. That's how you need to be working.)

Act 1: Energy Conversion box. Bring on the props, set the stage, do your bit, then move to Act 2: Resonant Tuning. Here the props change, you play out the scene, then move to Act 3: Declaration Stage... and so on. All so it flows with the CD. But watch you don't get bogged down in nitty-gritty detail.

Though too much detail will not effect you in the early stages. For example, you can imagine your Energy Conversion Box in as much detail as you like. It won't have any negative effects at all. Reason being, at this stage, you are still within the lower realms of your imagination. But the higher you go, creative-imagination wise, the more abstract your thoughts become. And remember that right at the end of your creative imagination, is the border to the Astral. (I promise you, it really is that close!)

That's the main reason why, imagining in too much detail can bog you down. In that it keeps your focal point of thinking within the lower realms of the imagination. When what you should be doing is gradually travelling towards the border. So feeling your thoughts naturally getting progressively more abstract, the further you progress, would be a positive sign.

The key transition is from Focus 10 to Focus 12 (the tricky one!). Hence the need for all the thorough preparation beforhand. Please bear in mind that *everything* you do in the previous Acts, is done solely to bring you to the point where the transition from F10 to F12 is performed as smoothly and easily as the transition from C1 to F3 (say).

In other words, if you are having difficulty with the F10 to F12 transition, it is 99.9% likely that the cause will be due to some problem in the preparatory stages.

Focus 12 is very simple to recognise: it occurs when I say in my latest post to Adrian (above) where I sense the blackness taking on a 3D effect, and I start to see colours, etc. This is Monroe's Focus 12.

Focus 10 (mind awake body asleep) brings you to the edge of the border. And, like all Astral borders, there is not an immediate and sudden transition between one realm and the next. There is what is commonly known as a Buffer Zone.

At Focus 10, as I say, you are standing on the edge of your creative imagination. At Focus 12, you mentally "step into" the buffer zone between the edge of your creative imagination and the Astral proper. (Note: In my earlier work I used to call the effects of stepping into the buffer-zone, the "stray energy" stage.)

The F10 to F12 transistion is not given on the Wave 1 CD. So you will have to create your own sense of expectation based on my description. The F12 transition is given on a later CD but I found it of little use.

Thing is, once you are at F12, stepping into the Astral and making contact with some guide is a relatively simple matter that I imagine most people would hardly have difficulty with. Well, provided you know the ground rules about remaining mentally still (just releasing a mild air of curiosity) and remaining completely closed emotionally, that is. Otherwise you'll step into the Astral and begin flitting all over the place. Which is no use at all.

Yours,
Frank


PS
 
LD: The process I describe is based on what I can glean from Monroe's latest two books (I haven't bothered with his ealiest work JOB, as Monroe says himself that he moved on from all that) which is coupled to the Gateway, Wave 1 CD. So if you have no experience with these, you will have a hard time trying to work out where I am coming from. The reason why my approach sounds scientific is because I'm a scientist.

[clandestino]

hello there folks. I'm keenly awaiting delivery of Monroe's books on the subject...

I just realised something whilst reading the last post; I'm 99% sure it is going to happen to me, and it'll probably happen to others as well.

When I eventually step into the astral from Focus 12, I know that I'm going to be filled with excitement / emotions as I will have reached a milestone that I've been working hard for......As I understand it, this excitement / emotion is going to hinder me. What can I do to minimise this, and make my first experience a good one (!) ?

anyone ?!
cheers
Mark

 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks once again for your time in providing so much help and detail!

I hardly like to take too much more of your time on this, but I am thinking ahead I assure you http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>  A couple of extra, hopefully simple questions below:

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
Focus 12 is very simple to recognise: it occurs when I say in my latest post to Adrian (above) where I sense the blackness taking on a 3D effect, and I start to see colours, etc. This is Monroe's Focus 12.

Focus 10 (mind awake body asleep) brings you to the edge of the border. And, like all Astral borders, there is not an immediate and sudden transition between one realm and the next. There is what is commonly known as a Buffer Zone.

At Focus 10, as I say, you are standing on the edge of your creative imagination. At Focus 12, you mentally "step into" the buffer zone between the edge of your creative imagination and the Astral proper. (Note: In my earlier work I used to call the effects of stepping into the buffer-zone, the "stray energy" stage.)

Could you possibe describe this "stray energy" and "3D blackness" a in a bit more detail? This is to assist people in recognising that they are at F12.

Also, how does the transition from the "buffer zone" to the Astral occur? E.g. is it a gradual or rapid transition, and how do your surroundings alter at thisparticular point, and also I suppose, how can you recognise that you are out of your imagination, and in the Astral proper?

Thanks again, as I said, I am asking these for a reason, in addition to hopefully assisting others.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

[Frank]

Adrian: The 3D blackness thing is difficult to explain. (I think Jeff_M might have some better input on this as it forms the basis of his own projection technique.) I'll try and think of a good analogy and get back to the thread. With me, the point at which I sense the 3D blackness is the point where I leave the Physical behind completely. My focal point of awareness has "crossed the bridge" and is now *completely* immersed in another reality.

As for the whirls of colour. Imagine that the blackness was gently swirling around you, like a black fog. Then, intermixed with this black fog, was fog of different colours all gently swirling around. Often I can hear a tune playing which sounds like it is drifting over from a distance. Or sometimes it might be just a single note. Many times I can see a bright light (higher being) in the distance that is obscured by the fog.

In my early work, at this stage, it was common for me to hear all kinds of pops and bangs. Or sometimes I'd hear stomping noises, or Velcro-like ripping or tearing sounds, etc. I'd also see all kinds of abstract shapes like black & white outline drawings. Some of them looked quite devilish in nature, and once I'd have sworn there was this huge head of a wolf right up alongside my face. Which there wasn't, of course, but the energy was perceived that way for some reason.

However, I find that, nowadays, all I get is the coloured swirling fog which is often accompanied by musical tones of various description, and the bright light.

I'm normally in the buffer zone for about 5 seconds. All the while the fog is swirling I get a sensation of gradual movement. Then the fog clears and the Astral comes into view. What I see, or what I do from here depends on my original Intent. If I pass through with no real fixed objective (as I often do, but I'm trying to get out of the habit), I'll just end up standing around somewhere, in no place in particular. What I like to then do is walk around for a short while, just taking in the fact that "here I am again". From which point I'll decide what to do.

At this stage, it is obvious that I am situated within the Astral proper. There is no mistaking it. It feels *exactly* like I was standing within the Physical, only it's the Astral. Though please bear in mind this is only due to the fact that I can remain emotionally closed.

The tendency for newcomers, at this point, is to flit all over the place as their minds flit here and there. Which brings me to Clandestino's point about excitement and so forth. Yes, this is a very natural thing and any emotional release will hinder your progress. But at least you know that.

The first 10 or 20 times you project your emotional release will no doubt scupper your experiences. But your realisation of the fact that it is your own emotional release that is the cause, will help you overcome the problem within a relatively short time.

When I first started projecting within the Astral, I had one heck of a job trying to make sense of it all. One moment I'd be immersed in one scene, then another, then another......

At that time there were no Internet BBS's that you could join in order to ask questions and get help (er, come to think of it, when I first started there were no desktop computers!). As a result, it took me just over 5 years before the penny dropped, and I realised that my own release of emotion was the cause of my flitting about here, there and everywhere.

Nowadays, the facts about emotions and their effects when released within the Astral are starting to become common knowledge. Which means the problems can be overcome in weeks, not years.

Yours,
Frank

 




 

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks once again for your detailed and valuable information.

I am leaving this topic locked for now so we can build on it. And get a better "picture" of the whole thing.

I was wondering whether you had tried, or thought about doing the whole sequence without the Gateway CD yet? Many here won't be in a position to get it.

Also - once in the Astral, I assume that you become unaware of the CD track itself.

Thanks again  - this is developing into something most useful I believe.

With kind regards,

Adrian.


 

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
Adrian: The 3D blackness thing is difficult to explain. (I think Jeff_M might have some better input on this as it forms the basis of his own projection technique.) I'll try and think of a good analogy and get back to the thread. With me, the point at which I sense the 3D blackness is the point where I leave the Physical behind completely. My focal point of awareness has "crossed the bridge" and is now *completely* immersed in another reality.

You know what I like about your posts, Frank?  They help me to pinpoint exactly where I am in my progress, in regards to Monroe's Focus Levels.  For example, I never realized that I was in Focus 12 when I started to see the blackness turn three-dimensional!

Adrian....I'll try my best to explain a little more about how I percieve these 3D shapes and blackness.  

To get a better idea, just close your eyes right now for about five seconds.  If you're like me, you see blackness....probably some spots of light and after images, but mostly just black.  Another thing you would have noticed is that this blackness is two dimensional.  It's like looking at a TV screen.  You may see things, but there is no depth to them.

Once you get around Focus 10 (mind awake/body asleep), you will have begun to see more images (still two dimensional).  With me, these images don't disappear quite as quickly as before, although they still only last a couple of seconds.  I just try to leave my mind open to receive anything that I'm shown.  Usually I see all kinds of weird, fleeting images.  If I could write down my mental process at the time, it's kind of like this:

::blackness::

:::image::::

"Hmmm, looks like a stick."

::blackness::

::new image::

"There's something green....."

::blackness::

The hardest part is quieting this internal dialogue that takes place in your mind, since your mind thinks it's "Mr. Know It All" and tries to prove how smart it is by identifying everything it sees!  Like Frank says, maintaining a curious, open mentality is extremely important from this point on.

Eventually, you'll start to notice that this two dimensional blackness starts to take on some depth.  It almost looks like there is a black wall a little further back from the blackness that you've been looking at.  It's at this point where the images I see start to become three dimensional.  Instead of seeing just a stick or a color, I start to see things with more shapes, like a ball, or a book.  I consciously acknowledge this turning point, and I realize that I can now observe depth perception.  Although I know that my body is still somewhere, I am starting to get drawn into this void.  So when I see these images begin to take on this tangible look to them, I know I'm getting close to phasing into the astral realm.

I hope I did some justice with that explanation.  I'm sure Frank will add/comment on it when he gets some time.


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[Frank]

Adrian: Yes, I'm getting to the stage where I only use the CD every other morning. After another month, or two, I guess I won't need the CD at all, as it will have done the job it was designed to do.

Yours,
Frank





 

[Tracy]

Ok,  I am really excited!!!!  First of all, I don't have the CDs either so I only know of the different focuses that are described on this thread.  For the past month I have been fooling around with consciousness levels and totally ignoring the manual Projecting sequence that it recommended in the book.  Just having too much fun with WILDs remote eye and other such stuff.  After reading Jeff M and Franks last post it was as if they crawled inside my head during one of my meditations.  The same sequence that Jeff described is for word exactly how I experience it.  You see, just this past week the blackness turned 3-D and thinking it was a figment of my imagination I thought how strange.  Were is this supposed to be going.

 Instead of just looking at a black slate behind the eyes it has turned and felt like a void or section in space expecting to see stars and planets but none to be seen.  I have a sense that it is the same void that some people experience when they projected but their astral sight hasn't turned on yet.  Is this the same void?

 And also I have a question on the 3-D images, when I wake up from a vivid dream or lucid I see the 3-D images (not all the time) slowly appear in my view turn on 25-30 degree axis so you can see every angle of the item and slowly fade to be slowly replaced by another rotating 3-D item. They are almost more 3-D with the shading depth than a normal physical world object.  Is this type of 3-D figure the same that is to be experienced in the 3-D void?  And Frank, how long did it take for the 3-D to become swirling color?  

If you can't afford the Monroe CD’s, don't  feel like you are left out and in the dark.  Relax and work with your consciousness.  Slowly let go and experience the feelings and experiences that your mind gives you.  See how close you can get before going to sleep and keep your journal of your experiences.  Be patient and be happy to have progressed as far as you have.  The CDs sound just wonderful and very helpful but are spendy at this time.

Thank you  all very much for being so open!  Know I don't feel so lost.

Tracy

 

[Frank]

Tracy: you hit on something important which I'd like to stress again: It's where you say, "Be patient and be happy to have progressed as far as you have". This is ever so important.

Now and again, someone will turn up with the question about wanting to AP. But they say they are impatient and want quick results. Problem being, Astral projection is not something you can throw money at and it comes quicker, like, paying extra for next-day delivery.

The other aspect concerns your use of the word: happy. So many people approach AP like they were approaching some wild animal. From many people's posts it seems like every twist and turn is yet another cause for alarm. Leading to yet more anxiety, fear and stress.

I'd like to take this opportunity to hit home the fact that Astral Projection is FUN. Yes, it's incredible FUN. And it fills you with a tremendous sense of JOY and HAPPINESS.

quote:
And Frank, how long did it take for the 3-D to become swirling color?

It's not so much the 3D changes into swirling colour. It's more like a passing through phase. All the while I'm getting a sensation of movement where first it becomes 3D, then I move through that and get to the swirling colour stage. Then the fog clears, so to speak, and the Astral comes into view.

Looking at it another way, if I get to the 3D stage and just remain there, then there I will remain just floating in a 3D void. Oh, while on the subject of being in the void, what you might try is asking for some music. It's really nice floating in the void listening to your favourite classical pieces.

Yours,
Frank