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« on: July 19, 2003, 20:34:16 »

Well, I'll start off by saying that I'm a novice at astral phasing. I hadn't even heard of it before reading Frank's posts. So it was by asking questions and trading posts with Frank, that I came to an approach to astral phasing.

Also, I should start off by saying that I tried for the traditional OBE for quite a while with limited success. That is, I was able to get to the mind-awake/body-asleep state, and also experience a number of commonly described pre-obe sensations. All of this was without (at least as far as I could remember)a full conscious exit projection.

That being said, I became interested in what I was then learning by reading Frank's posts on astral phasing. What I liked also was the notion of projecting beyond the "real time zone" to what Robert Monroe described as different "focus levels" of the non-physical realm.

So I began to commit my studies to that of astral phasing about three months or so ago. At first, I used the Wave I cd from the Monroe Institute (now I either use the Deep Meditation CD from BrainSync or no CD at all). I would listen to one particular track to get the ball rolling, then settle in to Focus 10 (mind-awake/body-asleep). I did this for a few weeks then began to notice swirling colors, patterns and such, as well as the occasional noise such as a pop or loud bang. This I came to find out (again from Frank) is characteristic of Focus 12 (again a term from Robert Monroe).

One time in Focus 12 I heard this very loud crash, it brought me right back to C-1 (the physical), and when I looked around, I noticed my wife was asleep and the three cats hadn't moved. Then I realized the sound had to have been non-physical or the cats would have run for cover.

The next experience I began having a few weeks after Focus 12 is where a scene will appear. Sometimes it's a city, or a forest, for example. This occurs when I am in a sort of 3-D blackness. Also, sometimes I'll have the sensation of movement and will find myself taken right to the scene. This, I am informed, is Focus 21.

It is at Focus 21 where I am presently at. What I am working on is to try and be more neutral and detached at Focus 21. What will happen otherwise is that I'll be in a scene and think, "wow, look at that" or get excited. That has the tendency of bringing me back to C-1. What I hope to do is next go to some of the astral realms above/beyond Focus 21 where I understand all sorts interesting things occur.

That's about it at this point. Thanks Adrian for posting this topic, and thanks to Frank for his help with astral phasing. It would sure be helpful to hear from any other members who are doing astral phasing, and hear any tips or pointers you may have.

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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2003, 21:31:28 »

Greetings Nick,

Thank you very much indeed for your excellent and detailed response.

I fully agree with you that phasing is the way forward. As even Monroe discovered, OBE has too many problems associated with it, many of which are detailed in Robert's book Astral Dynamics.

I personally believe that OBE is a relatively new thing, whereas the  phasing approach to Astral projection is the method ued throughout the millenia even going back to the stoneage. Ancient cave paintings are now thought to the the depictions of Astral experiences by the tribe shaman. Native American shaman use a similar method of phasing, brought about by drumming. The Astral projection of the esoteric orders over the centuries is also phasing type Astral projection.

I believe the big question is whether the hemi-sync type CD's are required to achieve the mind awake, body asleep state by most people new to Astral projection?

Thanks very much again for your contribution, I am going to make this topic sticky for a time to gather more experiences.

With best regards,

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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2003, 14:35:35 »

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I believe the big question is whether the hemi-sync type CD's are required to achieve the mind awake, body asleep state by most people new to Astral projection?




That is certainly a fair question, and for my part the answer would have to be no, they are not required. However, for someone new who finds they are having a hard time getting to the mind-awake/body-asleep (Focus 10) state, then I would recommend a binaural cd that suits them.

I have experimented with different methods to get to Focus 10 (to use Robert Monroe's term). At first, Monroe Institute Wave 1 cd was helpful, but for me there would be points where Robert Monroe's voice would come back on after a period of quiet frequencies, and I would literally jump. So I tried the Awakened Minds cd and while there was no voice, I couldn't quite accept the constant rainfall. Finally, I tried the Brain Snyc Deep Meditation cd (which has a sort of pleasant type music on it) and that is what I use sometimes now.

However, a few comments are in order. First, a cd is not necessary, nor is it a crutch unless you make it one. There are some times when I will use the cd and other times when I'll slip into Focus 10 on my own. It's just nice to assist sometimes.

Regarding the cd, I believe about thirty minutes or so is a good length. The whole Brain Sync cd runs about an hour which is somewhat long, in my opinion. Lately, I've been listening to the second of the two tracks which is about thirty minutes, and that's been a nice length. Also, I've been considering whether to do a Brainwave Generator type preset for about a 30 minute period. I haven't done so yet though.

What I haven't mentioned is the visual mental primer or rundown that Frank has described in his posts to get the ball rolling. Thanks to this helpful information, I have developed a rundown of my own to go along with or without the cd. I would refer to the stickies Achieving consciouness state for Astral Phasing that you posted Adrian, and also Frank's Gateway Wave 1 pointers for anyone who wants a detailed rundown of what I'm talking about.

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2003, 23:41:52 »

What do you think is the most difficult element in projecting into the real time zone physical environment buffer (traditional OOBE)?  I am trying hard to reach this type of projection, as I would personally love to roam the physical and fly above my town at this moment Smiley

If one is able to achieve the mind awake/body asleep and feel the surge of vibrations build, do you think its only a matter of time before a successful RTZ projection can occur?
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2003, 03:31:56 »

I like this topic very much - keep the methods rolling.

In an aside - and in an attempt to get the ball rolling with MY phasing attempts - I ordered that Deep Meditation cd y'all were talking about. I'll let you know what I think when it comes. Thanks for the input.  I've been thinking about adding the Brain Power one in to the mix.

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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2003, 02:08:05 »

What is this Deep Meditation cd and how can i get it?
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2003, 03:45:01 »

Hi b_smith_99,

The Deep Meditation cd is a binaural cd sold by a company called Brain Sync. You can read all about it and binaural technology at their website:

http://www.brainsync.com/titles/deepmeditate.asp

Also, take a look at some of the previous posts and you'll find topics about binaural cds. There are a number of different binaural cd websites (notably The Monroe Institute's Hemi-Sync) as well as software called the Brainwave Generator that has been discussed here before. If you use the search engine at the top of the Astral Pulse page, you can, for example, type in the word binaural and you'll come up with a lot of previous posts.

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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2003, 19:58:40 »

Thank you Nick. I will take a look and see what is there. Once again, Thank You!
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2003, 01:41:48 »

Hi Graupel,

I wanted to respond to your question as best I could. So I've included your original post first.

 
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What do you think is the most difficult element in projecting into the real time zone physical environment buffer (traditional OOBE)? I am trying hard to reach this type of projection, as I would personally love to roam the physical and fly above my town at this moment Smiley

If one is able to achieve the mind awake/body asleep and feel the surge of vibrations build, do you think its only a matter of time before a successful RTZ projection can occur?



Your question refers to the traditional OBE and not Astral Phasing. There is plenty of good information in the OBE discussions forum in the area you write about. You might also want to use the search engine at the top of the page to help you find prior posts regarding your questions regarding OBE.

However, in astral phasing there is not the etheric projection into the real time zone as you describe. That, as I mentioned, has to do with OBE and not Astral Phasing. Astral Phasing, by contrast, is first achieving the mind-awake/body-asleep state (called Focus 10 by Robert Monroe) and from there moving to Focus 12 and beyond by the projection of consciousness into the astral realms, not the real time zone. There is no "etheric double" or "etheric projection" involved in Astral Phasing. Also, one uses the original mind in Astral Phasing and not an etheric copy.

If you are interested in learning more about Astral Phasing please take a look at previous posts, especially the other "sticky" topics by Adrian and Frank that I referred to in another post above. There is a wealth of information contained in those "sticky" topics which I have benefited from, and perhaps you will feel the same after reading them.

Very best to you in your astral endeavors,
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2003, 08:15:28 »

Wow so interesting. I have had a problem with this and felt my projections were sort of inferior as I have seldom got any of the traditional vibrations and other sensations. So I have been phazing all along. I had no idea there were names for the different degrees. I often had the loud bangs noises etc and often see a variety of dream scapes and overhear conversations. I made a lot of progress by using earplugs. They seem to make the background sort of fuzzy and I attain the level U call 10 at will now. What is the name of Mr Monroes book about the levels?
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2003, 19:51:53 »

Hi Mustardseed,

There is a great description of Focus levels in the Gateway Wave I pointers thread. The thread is a "sticky" located here in the Astral Consciousness forum. In that thread Frank states:

 
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The whole thrust behind my thinking is to try and work out what Monroe meant when he writes about "phasing in" to the Astral as opposed to the traditional out of body experience.





What Frank refers to comes out of Robert Monroe's later work where he moved from the traditional obe to phasing. His later books Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey are relevant here. Also, Monroe put together his Gateway tapes (and later cds) wherein the term Focus Levels are described as, for example, C-1 (the physical realm), Focus 10 (mind-awake/body-asleep state), and Focus 12 (what Monroe calls a state of expanded awareness) where colors, shapes, sounds, and mental pictures both still and moving may appear.

The next level Monroe writes about (see Glossary in Ultimate Journey is Focus 15 "another step in the phase relationship" with more attention in the nonphysical realms. Next, Focus 21, which Monroe describes as "the equivalent of deep (delta) sleep in ordinary physical life activity. However, the mind is fully 'awake' and conscious, directing the action."

Beyond the above are the lower realms of the Belief System Territories (BST), such as Focus levels 24, 25 & 26. Then, beyond the BST there is Focus 27, a label Monroe placed for that astral level where decent people would go and gather after the physical body expires. It is also referred to as "the park" because its parklike appearance caused it to be named that by Monroe.

This is hopefully helpful to you. As I mentioned at the start of this thread, I am a novice at this. What I have learned so far has been from people like Frank and Adrian. So I am still much the student. What I would recommend, if you are interested, is to read all that you can in those threads I mentioned, also read Monroe, and perhaps try a binaural cd to assist with a mental primer or rundown as you do this (see Frank's post page 3 of the Achieving Consciousness State for Astral Phasing thread for an excellent example of a mental rundown).

One last thing, what I have found (as I believe others have) is that there will be "flat" periods where the phasing process runs idle for a bit. Just work through it, and then the results will return.

Very best to you in your astral studies (from a fellow student),
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2003, 20:32:14 »

Robert Monroe wrote 3 books; "Ultimate Journey" and "Far Journeys" are the last two, and, have the most information regarding the focus levels of consciousness.

I also wanted to comment on the question asked earlier regarding whether or not CDs are required.  I agree with Nick that, no, they are not required.  But if used as designed, as training tools, they can be most useful.  I have particularly found them useful in training my consciousness to stabilize Focus 10 (mind-awake/body-asleep) and Focus 12 (gateway to the astral).  In the first  set of CDs in the Gateway series by the Monroe Institute ("Wave I"), the last track on the last CD, called "Free Flow 10," the CD takes you to F10 then there is no more voice on the CD until the session ends.  I use this CD to help me stabilize and deepen the F10 state.  The first track on the first CD of Wave II, "Intro to Focus 12," has you go to F10, then F12, then back and forth between the two.  I have found this really helpful in training my mind to tune into F12.

So, while I agree the CDs are by no means required, I have found them useful and they have greatly expedited my journey.
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2003, 11:43:56 »

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I also wanted to comment on the question asked earlier regarding whether or not CDs are required.  I agree with Nick that, no, they are not required.  But if used as designed, as training tools, they can be most useful.  I have particularly found them useful in training my consciousness to stabilize Focus 10 (mind-awake/body-asleep) and Focus 12 (gateway to the astral).  In the first  set of CDs in the Gateway series by the Monroe Institute ("Wave I"), the last track on the last CD, called "Free Flow 10," the CD takes you to F10 then there is no more voice on the CD until the session ends.  I use this CD to help me stabilize and deepen the F10 state.  The first track on the first CD of Wave II, "Intro to Focus 12," has you go to F10, then F12, then back and forth between the two.  I have found this really helpful in training my mind to tune into F12.

So, while I agree the CDs are by no means required, I have found them useful and they have greatly expedited my journey.



I have the Gateway CD and would like to know how you use them. Do you listen to the CD every day? What in your opinion is the best approach to the CD, in getting the most out of them. I, for myself have gotten deceiving results. The first listening brought a great experience (Focus 10 & 12) but listening to the CD after that first experience seems to produce nothing. So I'm wondering if listening frequently to the CD produces a negative effect, like your brain gets used to the frequencies and doesn't react anymore.

I would appreciate your comments and suggestions.
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2003, 23:32:23 »

quebec,

My experience with the CDs has been inline with the general concensus regarding them.  That is, consistent usage will cause your brain to form a permanent bridge between the left and right hemispheres (via the corpus colossum).  I can feel this neural pathway now anytime I tune into that area, and sometimes spontaneously.  I don't know about the 'permanent' part yet, but I can say it is persistant.

I practice phasing every day, though I do not always use the CDs.  In the beginning I did use them every day (this is necessary to build the bridge).  As I posted before, I use them now when I want to deepen or need to re-stabilize F10 and/or F12.  Though I have days where I'm more responsive to the CDs than others, they always have an impact.  However, I recall that in my early work with the CDs I would frequently wonder if anything was happening.  I stayed with them, because I trusted Bob Monroe.  And I'm glad I did.  By incorporating them into my practice I began to project on a regular basis.  This was years ago (when they first came out with the CDs).  Then my father did a horrendous thing that halted my spiritual practice.  Just this year I have begun again, from the beginning.  Using the CDs has greatly accelerated my progress.

Only you know if the CDs should be a part of your spiritual practice.  If you think they should, I would encourage you to keep using them daily until your brain and consciousness respond.  Be sure and read the little booklet in the CD case; it gives guidelines on when to proceed to the next lesson.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2003, 11:00:49 »

Is there a way i can download this CDs for free as mp3s or something.. because I can not buy them.. first because i don`t have a credit card and second because no Comercial site ships in Romania whatsoever because of the large number of hackers operating from here with false credit cards..
I can not buy Astral Dynamics and now I can not buy this CDs.. so if there`s a way please share it with me..
I saw some downloadable music files in "File Library" but they do not seem to be from Monroe Institute or BrainSync...
The thing is I can`t ask you to code those cd tracks in mp3s using MP3 Workshop Smiley because it would be illegal i guess..
Hope you have a couple of ideas for me

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2003, 14:16:47 »

Hi Tao,

While I do not have a direct answer to your problem, I have found a thread that may help. Take a look at the following topic. There is a lot of discussion on it about the brainwave generator, and there may be something helpful to you.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2408

Also, be sure to take advantage of the free downloads on Robert Bruce's website as well, including his Treatise on OBE and also his New Energy Ways - NEW. That link is:

http://www.astralpulse.com/

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2003, 15:23:57 »

Thank you Nick..
NEW and Treatise.. I already read them..
I wished to read Astral Dynamics or Monroe but I am stuck... no Site ships in Romania.. I must handle only with the free stuff and Robert Bruce appears to be the only one to think that there may be people in my position..
Right now.. I only have some threads to read and after that all the free info will be gone... Then i will really be stuck..
I searched librarys in here.. But in Romania (orthodox country - good folks) this kind of books are considered mambo-jumbo and they do not sell well - and i couldn`t find anything - just one book which is so vague that i can tell mote about Astral than the author..
I see no way out of this.. but any kind of help would be appreciated..
Right now I`m trying to buy Astral Dynamics through a friend in England.. but I have to give my money on 4 months (student) to buy ONE book.. (i don`t have the money right now).. In England life is MUCH MORE expansive than here - but I must have that book..
So let`s say i get Astral Dynamics... but until I have all the books i want to read I`ll be like 50 in this way.. Smiley

Yours,
Mike
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2003, 00:58:36 »

Hi Mike,

If you would like another online free obe book to read you can get it at this website:

http://www.robertpeterson.org/

I read his book a couple of years ago and it is very good. It is about obe and not astral phasing, however. Still a worthwhile read. If I can think of any other free online books on obe/ap I'll let you know.

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2003, 22:38:48 »

I read it twice Smiley)
I`ve been on this forum for awhile and read that book long ago Smiley


But thanks for trying to help me Nick,
If I`ll find something interesting I`ll post it here too,
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2003, 12:25:34 »

Hi,
I never heard of phasing before-is this in a book??? If so-what book?
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2003, 15:04:15 »

Yes, I am to interested in knowing what this astral phasing is do you know any topics that give details and/or any links that my further peak my interest.[Smiley]
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2003, 12:06:35 »

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I never heard of phasing before-is this in a book??? If so-what book?



 
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Yes, I am to interested in knowing what this astral phasing is do you know any topics that give details and/or any links that my further peak my interest.


It would be nice if there was a book on this. Right now the most information I believe you will find is right here at the Astral Pulse. Specifically in the posts by Frank in the Welcome to Permanent Astral Topics Forum. Take a look at the following topics for much information:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1832

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2315


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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2004, 14:21:27 »

By way of follow up, the topics that I've mentioned in the post above are the ones where one can get a glimpse of Frank. His posts have always been thought provoking, intelligent and instructive.

Members who arrived here after mid-July of 2003 did not have the opportunity to trade posts with Frank, as some of us did. For those members I would again suggest reading over the aforementioned topics. You will be glad you did.

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2004, 13:39:01 »

Yea Franks topic on phasing helped me some.. he has alot of insight. Just wish he would come back...
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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2004, 15:03:52 »

Everyone,

There was reference made recently, here at the Astral Pulse, to another good Phasing link authored last year by Frank. I thought it would make a nice addition to the topic links already provided above. Here is the link to the additional topic:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3089


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