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« on: July 13, 2006, 16:28:42 »

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The practice of OBE does not in itself attract the attention of negative type entities. The only thing to fear in the out-of-body environment is fear itself. Too much fear creates countless problems for a projector. If fear is a serious problem and cannot be controlled, and if it too easily grows into terror, a projector should not really be projecting. But as I've said before, a small amount of fear is healthy as it breeds caution.

It is highly unusual for projectors to encounter or to be seriously troubled by astral wildlife, especially by really strong negative spirit types. It is even more unusual for these to trouble a projector's physical/etheric body before, during or after a projection. However, there are ways to keep the negatives away and to protect the physical/etheric body during a projection, or even while just sleeping, if it becomes necessary. This may seem a little out of theme with the rest of the content of this book, but I feel I would be letting my readers down and leaving this book incomplete, if I did not offer at least some advice on what to do if things ever started going wrong.”

- Robert Bruce, excerpt from Countermeasures and Wards

http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_43.htm

Greetings people,

I’ve started this post with the above quote to encapsulate something that I think a lot of people new to this site need to be made aware of - that the astral realms in general are NOT dangerous places full of negative entities!

There seems to be a growing number of doomsayers who believe it to be their sworn duty to make sure every person new to projecting has been made more than abundantly aware of all the misery and torture that awaits them in the astral at the hands of the legions of demonic entities.

With regards to normal, natural OBEs this simply is not true.

Firstly, a very important concept to remember when traveling through the astral – what you look for is what you will get. One of the few rules in the astral is "like attracts like". If you go into the astral with an attitude that there are lots of negs around that you need to be careful of, guess what you're going to find?

“Positive and negative areas coexist within all subplanes and realms, holding each other dimensionally apart through natural energetic repulsion mechanisms.

This energetic filtering effect can often be perceived, during a projection, as a subtle gradient of light, as a gradual brightening or darkening, or as a heaviness or lightness……

…..Your will can override the natural energetic filtering mechanism, allowing you to go wherever you choose. Astral projectors will always naturally project to the astral level they are in tune with energetically, but they can move on from there into positive and negative areas with which they are not naturally in tune……

…..The majority of visible astral plane directions have a reasonably positive outcome. If a positive direction is taken and held, a projector will generally move into a progressively brighter and lighter area, into higher-level areas. The reverse usually will not happen by accident, although it can be brought about by a deliberate act of exploration.

If travelers remain focused on what they are doing and have positive-oriented minds, they have very little to worry about in this respect. In practice, travelers wandering the astral planes at random will find themselves experiencing a great many varied and interesting environments. They will not come across any seriously negative areas in their travels unless they actively go looking for them. The underlying intentions and qualities of thought of astral travelers safeguard them from accidentally entering negative areas they are not in tune with energetically.”

- excerpt from Robert Bruce’s Astral Dynamics.

Ok, so now you should see that for the untrained, going headlong into the astral is not going to lead you into a world of hurt unless you are deliberately looking for it.

So what is this world of hurt that the fearful among us speak of?

“The lower astral sublanes (traditionally the ones to be avoided) appear to be areas where negative emotion, thought, and fantasy-generated energies have been collecting for a very long time. These areas are home to negative manifestations of the darker side of the human mind and imagination. The fringes of these areas are not dangerous, but are decidedly unpleasant. The very bad lower subplanes are dark, shadowy areas populated (more aptly polluted) with all kinds of demons, monsters, and nightmarish figures. The lowest of these dark areas could aptly be called hellish dimensional areas.

If you find yourself in or near a negative area, the common-sense solution is to project away to a brighter area as soon as possible. The fastest way to move away is to strongly imagine somewhere nicer and use instant projection to shift there. Holding an image of the entrance structure firmly in mind and instantly projecting there will usually return you to the surface, without your getting lost or aborting the projection. If this does not work, fly straight up while using uplifting spiritual thoughts, prayer, or song to elevate consciousness. Fly toward the brightest area or spark of light that can be seen above or ahead. An upward direction will usually take a projector away from a negative area.

Astral travelers need not pass through negative or lower astral subplanes to travel to more positive and higher astral levels. The negative areas in the astral planes are, in a way, energetically sideways to the normal planelike dimensional structure. It is quite difficult to project deliberately into a seriously bad lower subplane area-or to project into a seriously higher level or plane, for the very same reason. Energetic differences and the natural attraction and repulsion effects generally prohibit this from occurring accidentally. Every projector will have his or her own energetic limitations.

The only cases I have come across where projectors have had seriously bad experiences with lower subplanes involved hallucinogenic drugs being used to precipitate out-of-body experiences. Drugs, while capable of causing out-of-body experiences, sidestep the required skills and abilities necessary for safe conscious-exit projection. This breaks many natural laws concerning projection while artificially overcoming many natural safeguards and barriers. Natural barriers are there to protect the novice from operating in dimensional areas they are not equipped to experience.”

- excerpt from Robert Bruce’s Astral Dynamics.

Without getting into the whole drug debate, the average astral traveler is going to find it pretty hard to get into trouble with negative entities through your average OBE.

One other important thing to remember here, if you do get stuck in an astral area that you can’t handle, don’t panic, just bail out! You don’t have to stay, and events in the astral can’t hurt you in the physical. Treat it like a bad dream. It really is that simple.

I know I’ve only drawn on Robert Bruce’s investigations here to provide what I hope to be a more objective view for newcomers. This is not because I idolize him or follow him around like some messiah, but because he deliberately set out to demystify astral travel and put it into terms we can all make sense of. In books on metaphysical subjects, a straight talking no nonsense author is a rare gem! I also know Mr. Bruce is but one of many noted explorers in this field, but I don’t have the documentation from other such explorers such as Robert Munroe or Bruce Moen to call on. Bruce Moen has posted on this site however, so a search for topics under his name should reveal some useful material.

I would invite any of our resident frequent flyers to add their information here as support for those who might possibly have fears in discovering that which is beyond our physical world.

Bottom line - relax, enjoy the ride, and let the experience be an enjoyable enriching one.


Regards,
James.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 00:12:13 »

  Hm.. I kinda disagree that it is *highly* unusual. People talk about things that happened. I read some. Luckily some peoples stories included how they got out of trouble, even very easily sometimes..
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 00:12:13 »

logoVisit the website of Astral Pulse creator Adrian Cooper.

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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2011, 00:06:52 »

"Astral Dynamics" is my favorite resource and I agree with his interpretations since I've experienced much of the same. His advice to raise your vibration by singing has worked wonders for me (also just sending the negative entity love or even start laughing at him, whatever raises your vibration).

If it ever gets too hairy, I just shake myself awake, but I try not to do this since I like to deal with whatever I find without losing my cool.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 10:37:31 »

Well, Robert Monroe talked about some very bewildering experiences, where he was stuck in someone else's body, and it took him a long time and a lot of efforts to break free, and another where he hit a barrier he was unable to get around of. for a long time.

He tried to think of getting back, prayed, etc, nothing worked.

He had to go back in the direction opposite the barrier, the direction he was traveling from.

The rest didn't work, whether hallucinatory or not, he was stuck. For a long moment of anguish.

It's difficult to believe that a real phenomenon has no real danger, and that thinking is enough to get ourselves out of any situation..
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 18:40:00 »

Very interesting read Smiley I doubt anyone will decipher most of the questionable things related to the Astral but hey ho lets keep learning Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2014, 10:49:13 »

Quote from: Adrian
events in the astral can’t hurt you in the physical

You say that as if theres not a continuous path between physical and astral as its all one world. Its very unlikely anything that far away from physical could have a strong enough affect on physical to hurt you, but there are rare cases when objects move for no apparent reason, or by your mental action like telekinesis, and these forces come through the less physical parts of reality. I'm still not afraid of it happening, but to keep my understanding of the world from being distorted, I feel like I must accept this possibility however unlikely it is, and this allows me to keep in mind almost all the time that I'm in both astral and physical all the time as its one world.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2014, 18:31:25 »

A good balanced article, I think.  Glad you posted on it Beavis, because I hadn't seen it before.  I've seen the energetic boundaries -white, hazy -many times.  Interesting he said you can penetrate them with your will.  I haven't tried that.  I've always just obeyed their repelling effect.  Like attracts like.  Very true.  I have a positive mindset and intentions and don't experience the negative zones.  Only once did I land in a seriously negative plane where I did have some trouble getting out for a while.  Thinking about it after, I wasn't sure why I experienced it.  I did have a touch of fear as I phased, but I really don't think that that in itself was enough to land me there. (I've had worse exits that landed me in much better places than that)  I examined my intentions carefully (not only my conscious intentions but also underlying ones)  and discovered I had a curiosity about the negative areas.  I was kind of curious as to   1.) Do they exist?  and   2.) would I have the mental strength to deal with them if they do.  That would be enough intent and attraction to land me there, I think.  Also, I had expressed intent to be a spiritual helper or retriever and it's also possible I just needed some training in how the 'nasty' places work.  I found out!  But I'm no worse for the wear.  I handled it OK, I think. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2014, 19:20:11 »

You say that as if theres not a continuous path between physical and astral as its all one world. Its very unlikely anything that far away from physical could have a strong enough affect on physical to hurt you, but there are rare cases when objects move for no apparent reason, or by your mental action like telekinesis, and these forces come through the less physical parts of reality. I'm still not afraid of it happening, but to keep my understanding of the world from being distorted, I feel like I must accept this possibility however unlikely it is, and this allows me to keep in mind almost all the time that I'm in both astral and physical all the time as its one world.
You're very materialistic... so you probably won't heed this, but... there's absolutely nothing physical which matters.  Physical doesn't even exist.
You're right about one thing, it's all one "world" (using the term extremely loosely).  There is no separation between physical and non-physical... there is only consciousness.

So how can you harm consciousness?
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