The triangle method

[Graupel]

Hey, I just had a quick question.. how would you "shift" your consciousness above your head (I believe Monroe was going onto something about that with his ray of light technique in JOB.. which I'm still trying to experiment with).

Do you just imagine your mental hands gripping the crown chakra and feeling it opening upfor all the stuff inside to become active and letting out a hissing sound, and eventually (better if you're in the borderline sleep state first before trying any of this?) the hissing sound will become reality?  

So far I've tried using mental hands, but I don't feel anything when I am lying in bed, probably because I am not in enough of a hypnagogic state as the physical sensations of me lying in bed are probably effectively "grounding" me inside my physical body.

[Birm]

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Hey, I just had a quick question.. how would you "shift" your consciousness above your head

I dont use mental hands method at all. I dont do any energy work...

To "shift" my consciousness above my head, i am waiting and I am just concentrating on my third eye and my ears. Thats all.

Hope i helped,
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[Adrian]

Greetings Graupel,

I think Robert Monroe in his early days suggested focussing a few inches ahead rather than immediately behind the closed eyelids.

This does make some sense as the Astral body iteself extends beyond the physical body by a few inches. Anyone can verify this by relaxing, and then extending your awareness out by a few inches, and the Astral body can be easily detected beyond the physical.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[greatoutdoors]

Are you talking about Tinitis (I think I'm spelling it right)? That's a ringing in the ears I have had since I can remember. Someone on this thread posted that she heard "cricket" sounds -- sometimes this sounds like crickets, sometimes it's just a high-pitched tone. Is the sound you are describing the same as this and, if not, how do you hear it above the constant ringing?

[Birm]

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 Are you talking about Tinitis (I think I'm spelling it right)? That's a ringing in the ears I have had since I can remember. Someone on this thread posted that she heard "cricket" sounds -- sometimes this sounds like crickets, sometimes it's just a high-pitched tone. Is the sound you are describing the same as this and, if not, how do you hear it above the constant ringing?

I have never heard of the word "Tinitis" but yes that is a ringing in the ears. I am describing the same sound you are talking about. Do they call it Tinitis?
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[greatoutdoors]

Birm, thanks for the quick response! I did have it spelled wrong, it's "Tinnitus". They define it as hearing sounds that aren't present in the external environment -- Well, DUH!!! []

I tried your technique last night and the results were interesting. I did get just a brief moment of that disorientation you mentioned, then fell to sleep. At some point I woke up when I heard a single bark from a dog. I wasn't hearing a "real" bark. We don't have dogs that close, and besides, there was emotion connected with this one. It conveyed freedom and a sense of release, for lack of better words. My sister-in-law has a seriously ill dog and I wondered when I heard it whether her dog had died. I found out this morning she did, some time prior to 11:30 (when I got the email). I don't know whether it was anything but coincidence, but if it was, the dog wasn't upset by what happened.

I fell back asleep and launched into the happiest dream I've had in quite some time. Colors were just vivid and the setting was bright -- lots of people around everywhere.

I don't think this dream was connected with the dog, but I wonder if both of them weren't connected to my use of your "listening" technique?

I really appreciate your insight on this technique. So many of them just don't work for me -- maybe this will be different!

[Birm]

Hi greatoutdoors,

In order to Astral Project you have to move in to an ALTERED STATE OF CONCIOUSNESS.

The purpose of this technique is to concentrate on your astral senses and forget about your physical senses. This way your physical body will fall asleep but your conciousness will stay aware of it.

When your body is asleep and your conciousness is aware of it. You are in an altered state of conciousness.

You can hear real world sounds that you have heard before while using this tecnique. I always hear people talking, animal sounds, sometimes sounds come from the furniture.

When you hear such sounds all you have to do is: Wait. Dont be distracted by the sounds. It is just like seeing images when you close your eyes from a wide awake position. You are concentrating on you astral hearing sensation. But you can close your eyes while you cannot close your ears.

Hope this helps,
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[T_Kman0610]

the ringing has stopped! since i was a child around 10 and down, i would hear the ringing in my ears occasionally. Now that i know a little bit about it i dont want to get rid of the sound. i use to hear it alot when i was little. does anyone know how to get it back? i never hear it anymore

[greatoutdoors]

Hi Birm!

So you're saying the dog bark I heard could have been an indication I was actually getting somewhere?! That would be great! Right now I feel like a door is being slammed in my face every time I get close to a conscious connection to the astral. I've never had a big problem with relaxing my body and keeping the mind active -- until I started trying to do it. Then it's a whole new ball game. But your system seems to offer some real progress so I'm going to hang in there.

Have you used any self-hypnosis tapes or CD's to help you?

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by greatoutdoors
So you're saying the dog bark I heard could have been an indication I was actually getting somewhere?! That would be great!

A lot of beginners get discouraged because they try to project, and then when "nothing" happens, they feel like they're just wasting their time.  

However, GreatOutdoors, you are realizing a very important point.  Every time you practice projecting, and every exercise you do is only bringing you CLOSER to success.  It may not SEEM like it, but you must believe it.

For example, you may lay down and after practicing a few OBE relaxation exercises, you begin to see some cool hypnogogic imagery.  However, if that is all you see, then smile and know that you're getting better and better in developing your technique.  I think too many people would discount the hypnogogic stuff and feel a sense of failure for not feeling vibrations, or separating from their body.

So yes, the dog barking you heard was a good thing.  You may not have had a full blown OBE, but you are making contact with that part of your subconscious which is navigating you to the threshold of having a fully conscious OBE!  Keep it up.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

It is also important to note that Astral projection or phasing, as opposed to OBE, does not usually involve vibrations or a sense of separating from the body at all. OBE is normally associated with vibrations etc., followed by an etheric projection into what is known as the "real-time zone" but which is actually an etheric reflection of the physical surroundings. This for example is the subject matter of Robert's book Astral Dynamics.

Astral projection or phasing is very different and much more subtle; it involves a projection of consciousness (as opposed to the projection of an etheric double) beyond the five physical senses to the Astral, at which point there is no sense of the physical body and awareness becomes based firmly in the reality of the Astral. Before phasing is achieved hypnogogic imagery might be seen or even Astral visions in the form of the Astral "cinema screen" or as has been observed Astral noises might be heard. The thing to do here is to focus on the Astral visions or noises and try to consciously move towards them; if you see the Astral screen, then try to move forward and phase straight through it into the scenery which will be the Astral proper. From there you can go anywhere such as Astral Pulse Island.

To reach Astral Pulse Island you ideally need to be focussing on Astral projection or phasing rather than OBE.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[jc84corvette]

Very interesting method! I have to try it some time! Thanks for a great method and explaining it greatly![]

[Birm]

quote:Have you used any self-hypnosis tapes or CD's to help you?

Well, i used Bwgen software with the DeepMind IV preset for a while. It helped me to understand how to enter the trance state. After learning how to enter the trance state and what trance feels like. I uninstalled the Bwgen from my computer. I dont use it right now. But it is useful if you are a begginer.
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[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian
To reach Astral Pulse Island you ideally need to be focussing on Astral projection or phasing rather than OBE.

Adrian....one thing I've never seen asked before is, "Do you think one could exit the physical body via OBE, and then phase into the astral?"

I bring this up because I believe I may be doing this.  Usually, when I separate from my body, it's in the traditional OBE sense (feeling of a physical separation, somewhat hard to control, etc).  It is also at this point that my vision is usually black.  Some call this 'the void' and use it as a springboard to go anywhere they want.

In this void, which one gets to via an OBE separation, if one were to concentrate on the API and successfully get there, wouldn't that be a perfect case in point of an OBE turned AP?  

You see, even though I use phasing techniques to bring me to a projection state, I almost always "roll out" of my body into a dark environment (void), and then project from there.  So it seems like I'm doing the same thing only it's preceeded by a physical separation process.  Does this happen with anyone else?

[greatoutdoors]

Birm, Jeff, Adrian,

You guys are giving me excellent advice here and I appreciate it! Birm, I'm continuing to practice your triangle technique and I am getting closer, I think. Jeff, thank you for the encouragement. It is so frustrating when you knowsomething exists and still can't connect! And Adrian, I think you put a name to what happened to me awhile back. I thought it was an OBE, and posted to that effect; but with no vibrations or anything else, I began to wonder just what had happened. I have posted that experience elsewhere so I won't go into detail here, but it was just "Pop", I was behind my body, then when I realized it, "Pop" I was back. I was wide-awake and standing up -- there's no way I was dreaming. That event was totally unexpected and I have gotten nowhere (so far, Jeff) trying to do it again.

By the way, it is very nice to be able to discuss all this with folks who 1) don't think you've totally flipped out; and 2) aren't trying to re-create Saturday morning "space ranger" cartoons! I think I'm older than most of the folks on this forum, but I still get a feeling of acceptance, even from the "sprouts"! [] I've only recently found the courage to really start exploring the metaphysical. I hope I'm not too old to learn!