The triangle method

[wannalearn]

Birm, i got 2 questions.


1.i am an beginner i willing to try to go projecting is your technique good for beginners?

2.is the seperating part scary?


thnx for your help

[Jeff_Mash]

Hey there WannaLearn,

I am not trying to speak on Birm's behalf, but instead, I will answer your questions the way I see them:

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn
1.i am an beginner i willing to try to go projecting is your technique good for beginners?

Yes, the technique that Brim mentions is something that everyone can try (beginners and experienced projectors alike).  There is nothing really complicated about it, and the hardest part you'll find is trying to stay focused, because your mind will want to wander to other things.

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2.is the seperating part scary?

That depends on the individual.  For me, I never have scary separations.  However, you may want to read more about "Phasing" in this forum.  When you phase into the astral environment, it's almost like melting right into it.  Imagine yourself being lowered into a pool of water.  Now imagine that you aren't being lowered feet first, but instead, you're being lowered face first.  You just kinda "step into" the astral environment and become a part of it.

However, like I said, I usually just roll out of my body and then explore the astral from there.....and it's ALWAYS an exhilirating, positive experience.

The only thing scary are the things you convince yourself to be scared of.  If you remind yourself that this is going to be fun (just as a rollercoaster is fun [but scary to the observer]), so is projecting into the non-physical realms.

[jc84corvette]

I had that "disorienting" feeling thousands of times, I would be very pleased with it for it is a mile marker in your journey!

[Birm]

Hi jeff,

Thank you for answering the questions. I agree with your answers but there is one thing i want to add to your comments.

 

quote:There is nothing really complicated about it, and the hardest part you'll find is trying to stay focused, because your mind will want to wander to other things.

A wandering mind is not a bad thing in my opinion. Because the wandering mind deepens the trance state automatically. For example when you start seeing images and visions, you may watch them and wander around the images and/or visions for a while. This helps the visions to become clearer. If you focus on your astral hearing sensations the same rules apply. When you hear something just wait and dont do anything about it. Just like listening to the next room in your house. You can hear outside but you cannot do anything about it. Taking your time with the hypnagogic images or sounds pulls you into the astral environment. You may fall asleep when doing this. So i suggest to try when you wake up in the morning. Because at night you are trying not to fall asleep while in the morning your body is relaxed and well rested so you are trying to wake your mind. Trying in the morning is easier.

I also think the hardest part is to stay awake while your physical body falls asleep.

Hope this helps,
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[wannalearn]

Yow birm,

i got to ask you another thing:

you said you must hear a sounds that goes "sss" i dont seem to hear that what can ido ?!

thnx for help.

[Jeff_Mash]

Hi Birm,

Thank you for clarifying what I previously said.

quote:Originally posted by Birm
A wandering mind is not a bad thing in my opinion. Because the wandering mind deepens the trance state automatically.

This is what I meant to say, and you corrected it for me.  When I was warning about a wandering mind, I didn't mean to suggest that it was a bad thing.  However, I think it's important that as your mind wanders, you "stay with it" and watch where it takes you, as opposed to losing interest and falling asleep.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Just want to say thanks to Birm for sharing his method. I've been using it all week and when i used it last night i had some sort of success at leaving my body.
It took a while and i had to keep pulling my mind back in line to begin with, but after some time the sound in my ears got louder, my third eye became more active and from there on out i was sailing.
I heard what i've come to describe as a pop that seemed to come from around my neck somewhere, although i didn't feel a thing, and then i was floating about somewhere. I was in complete darkness so i had probably only entered the 3D blackness stage, but it's further than i've ever gone before.
I didn't feel any vibrations either. The only thing close to vibrations was when i reached REM and my eyes began darting around everywhere.
Thanks Birm!

[jc84corvette]

Hey where exactly is the minds eye(third eye)?

[Euphoric Sunrise]

The third eye is located between the eyebrows. Although not necessarily directly in that spot. Mine often feels as though it's a bit further up my forehead.

[Birm]

quote:
you said you must hear a sounds that goes "sss" i dont seem to hear that what can ido ?!
 

Well you can hear it if you can focus enough. Here is a very helpful exercise: When you are about to sleep try to listen the outside sounds while your eyes closed. Look behind your closed eyes while listening the sounds outside. Soon you will start to see some images. Dont concentrate on the images just let them come and go, continue concentrating on the outside sounds. Dont think about the outside sounds just hear them. Pretend you are asleep and listen outside. Think: "These sounds are coming from outside while we are asleep." This way your sleeping reflex will be triggered and your physical body will start to relax. At that point you may realize the sound i am talking about.

Another way to hear the sound is staying awake for a long time. Lets suppose you havent slept for 16-20 hours. You are very sleepy. Lay down on your bed and try to listen.

One another way is to be drunk. Yes! When i am drunk i can hear the sound very clearly and loud. But alcohol takes all of your energy to project. So you wont be able to project but you can realize the sound.

Another way is to try listening when you just wake up. Before getting off the bed try to listen to the sound.

Hope this helps,
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[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by Euphoric Sunrise

The third eye is located between the eyebrows. Although not necessarily directly in that spot. Mine often feels as though it's a bit further up my forehead.

Thanks for the needed info!

[wannalearn]

okay lets say...im hearing that sound tonight well...i hear it but my mission is to project so how? (maybe a hard question!)

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

okay lets say...im hearing that sound tonight well...i hear it but my mission is to project so how? (maybe a hard question!)

Well, it's easier to say how I do it then to tell another how they should do it, since what works for me may not work for you.

For me, using Brim's triangle method as an example, I would focus on the technique in order to bring me to a certain benchmark.  This benchmark is usually when I see three dimensional shapes and images behind my closed eyelids.

When this darkness starts to take shape and depth, then I know that I am close to projecting.  I'm also aware of my body but not focused on it.  I'm more focused now on the images.

With a little mental pushing, I am able to do one of two things:

1) Phase into the black, three dimensional void in front of me, and project to a location from there

2) I thrust my arm out of my body to test if I can project.  If I feel my astral arm moving, then I roll out of my body and project from there.

As a beginner, I would advise you to try and "watch" the images that come and go behind your eyes.  Don't try and think about them.  Just watch them come and go, much as you would watch a foreign TV show.  You may not understand the scenes or images, but you just keep watching and following the story.

The longer you do this, the longer these images hang around before disappearing.  What is happening the entire time is that you're being brought to the very edge of your imagination and the astral.

Anyway, you'll be surprised at how you "naturally" know how to project once you bring yourself to this level of awareness.

[Birm]

Thanks for the answer Jeff. I totally agree with you.
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[wannalearn]

aha but what is better u think themethod of Birm or just concentrate on your breathing (like i learned from someone) and what u mean with "images" ?

greetz.