The triangle method

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

aha but what is better u think themethod of Birm or just concentrate on your breathing (like i learned from someone)

Again, it all depends on what works best for you.  I can't stress this enough to beginners.  

For example, have you tried both techniques (triangle and breathing)?  Which one did you like the best?  Did you find that you were successfully doing some things with the Triangle Method and not successful doing other things?

What you need to do is try a multitude of techniques, and piece together what works for you based on all of them.  There is no magic technique that works for everyone.  In fact, even the Triangle Method alone will not always work for Brim or myself.  There are times when we have to switch things up and try something else to overcome a block.

As an example....let's say I lay down and try the Triangle Method, but for some reason, I just can't concentrate on astral hearing.  This could be because I listened to music right before laying down and therefore, I'm stuck singing this stupid song in my head over and over.

Instead of giving up, I may have to switch things up.  I could either use this song in my head as a way to bring myself further into a sleep-like state....or I could try and discard the thought of the song everytime it pops into my head.

Once I clear my thoughts, I may now find it easier to continue with the Triangle Method.

So as you can see, there is no one way to go about this.  When I am laying down and not really relaxed, I use breathing exercises to calm me down.  I usually don't try Brim's technique until I am calm and relaxed.

quote:
 and what u mean with "images" ?

In other words, when you close your eyes (try it right now), you will first see blackness, right?  Then you may see flashes of bright white light, usually after-images of whatever you were previously looking at before shutting your eyes.

Once the after-images fade away, you may start to see colors come and go, like dark reds or blues.  Just observe them and let them pass.

The deeper you fall into a relaxed state, the more these colors will actually start to take on a 2 Dimensional form.  Much like looking at a TV.  

Continuing deeper in relaxation, the two dimensional shapes will begin to take on a three dimensional quality.  They will begin to have depth and shape.  This is a good sign, because it means you're right on the border between your imagination and the astral environment.  From here, you can phase into the astral or roll out of your body.

Best of luck......keep practicing and see how far you can go with the images.  I use that as a benchmark to letting me know how close I am to "getting out."

[wannalearn]

aha man thnx finally, i always saw those "images" if i closed my eyes and you said when you are in 3d blackness stage just roll out of your body, okay....HOW?

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

aha man thnx finally, i always saw those "images" if i closed my eyes and you said when you are in 3d blackness stage just roll out of your body, okay....HOW?

Yes, that is the million dollar question, isn't it?  Let me ask you, how do you roll out of bed in the morning?  Do you think about it or just do it?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but for me, the actual separating from the body is the easiest part.  I just do it.  The hard part is getting to the stage where you can separate.  

For me, it's like this.  I used this example before but I'll do it again.  Imagine pushing a big boulder up a hill.  Getting that hard f**ker up the hill can be exhausting (not to mention discouraging), right?

Once you're at the top however, do you ask yourself, "Now how am I going to get this thing down?"

NO!  Simply because once you reach that threshold at the top, the ball will begin rolling down the otherside easily on it's own.

Going OBE is just like that.  It may take a lot of effort and preparation on your part to bring your body and mind to a certain benchmark.....but once it's in the right spot, your separation REFLEX kicks in and whenever you move, you will be moving your astral body and not your physical one.

[wannalearn]

yeah about that quesiton in the morning how i wake up i dont think about it i just DO it and i got another question i think that the triangle method is a bit hard i like the "concentrating on your breathing" easyier and i just have to focus on my breathing and dont have to focus on the "images" just them pas my mind? greetz thnx fo rall the tips!

[wannalearn]

and how u know "feel" when you are going to separate

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn
i just have to focus on my breathing and dont have to focus on the "images" just them pas my mind?

Well, now that I think about it, I try and HOLD the image in my mind's eye for as long as I can before it fades away.  The closer I am to projecting, the longer I can hold the image.

It may not make sense to read things like that, but the more you try it for yourself, you'll begin to see what I mean.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

and how u know "feel" when you are going to separate

Right before I separate, I feel a number of things.

1) I have a feeling of what's about to happen.  In other words, I'm aware that I'm about to separate.....then I try to separate and it happens.

2) I have a little excitement go through me, but experience and practice has helped me deal with that emotion.  In the beginning, I would let me excitement get the better of me and kill my experience before it ever really started.

3) I also usually hear an absense of sound.  In other words, I hear something like a vacuum....almost like a sucking of air all around me.  As a perfect example, have you ever ridden in an airplane?  Do you know those little air nozzles they position above your head that you can turn on and off to get some fresh air blown on your face?  When I'm separating, I hear that vacuous hissing sound most of the time.  Only on a minority of occassions have I heard voices or screaming.

[wannalearn]

wow if you screaming your f***ing scared huh?

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by wannalearn

wow if you screaming your bonking scared huh?

No, I didn't say I was screaming.  Re-read what I posted.  I said I on occassions, "I heard voices or screaming."

[wannalearn]

i mean that, sorry (i cant speak english good)

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by Birm

One more tip:

If you cant hear anything with your astral ears, try the following:

Close your eyes. Put the palms of your hands to both of your ears and listen carefully. Soon you will hear a high pitched sound like "ssssss". Concentrate on it. While concentrating on the sound feel your third eye. Feel yourself in the triangle...

You will feel disoriented in seconds.
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I do that and I can hear my blood moving in my head ( normal ). Any help?

[-XioN-]

Hello!
Thanks for your awesome method!

I just tried it on yesterday and got cool results...because of a reason i do not know i forgot to use the ribbon i usually bind around my head for creating absolute darkness....that was a big obstacle but results were amazing.

I never succeeded in relaxing completely before when i lay on my back and had to stop after about 20 Minutes because i felt highly unconfortable...but now it really seemed as if my body falls asleep and i catched myself for the first time of falling asleep and losing steady thaughts while i lay on my back.That`s something completely new for me...and don`t laugh, i practiced for nearly 3 years[8D]

Well...all of a sudden my eyes just made some problems and avoided the relaxation but tonight i think i can even get further.I`ll combine it with some sort of breath-meditation i think...

I think i even felt a pre-OBE sign...It felt as if my legs were heavily jogged by some force but it was also very short...this happened another time with another part of my body but i thaught it might have been some sort of muscle contraction...so i tried how it felt, when i would really put tension on my leg...it was totally different from what i felt so i am really optimistic.

Are these the vibrations everybody talks about?Or even something stronger?Would it be possible that these parts may have already seperated for a short amount of time?

Thanks again!

-XioN-

[jc84corvette]

please help me.Read my qustion above.

[eleusis2]

Very interesting method. I can relate exactly to the sound you talk about, i find it can even be heard whilst wide awake - if you sit quietly and listen.

I read a document on AP a while ago where the author claimed that if you could concentrate exculsively on the sound for a few minutes it would lead to vibrations. Ive tried this several times and i get the vibrations, but no seperation, but i think this is due to fear more than anything else.

I will let you know how i get on with your triangle technique.

Thanks for sharing
 --Eleusis []

[aleshah]

I knew already the triangle method.
The point is when you connect your third eye to the ears and connect your backhead to the ears you get a cross.When you follow your attention to the crossing point inside your head, you will suddely get to a point of stillness and love.It also the "Chris - consciousness".It easy to aware of it in a Time "NOW" like theta - state.
The third eye is related to memory , the backhead is related to visions.This cross centre is interconnected with some "etherical" like sensors. UP,DOWN,LEFT,RIGHT,FRONT,BACK there is each one sensor,what can reach out over 600 meters and more.Egyptians did their homework in it, already.

I try kind of sound-mind-practice for a londer time and i also can produce 'high pitching' sounds.
First just imagine a snare sound in mind.
It needs time to develop.
Believe to perceive this sound with hearing ability, so get it after a period of time.After this, repeat this sound and let it go, you may hear a piched funny sound.

Also u can go with you mind to a place away from you over 500 meters.
Remember space and time is just a product of our 3rd dimensional mind.
All is conected together.
Just put your focus on your hearing ability and you wlll receive sounds of that place in an some low-pitchin but very sensitive case.