Tisha's essay on OBE

[OldLad]

Very good thesis.  I wish I had read your report before I posted my question earlier since you helped to answer some of my astral projection problems.  Some make quite some sence and will keep in mind in my next astral experience.

  My vibrations come fairly natural to me.  Always spontanuous and almost always about 2 hours before I normally wake up in a day.  I enter it usually right after a dream.  I'm fully conscious of whats happening to me and know, "welp, here I am in my attempting to project stage".  The easiest part is moving my astral arms.  I nearly always fail when it comes to projecting.  Alot of times the buzzing and vibrations will suddenly intensify and I think, "this maybe it!"  But instead, I black out to reawake partially lying there still vibrating.  I think blastid!  So I just lay there and wait till it runs its course.  Thanks for the post.  Made me think on my areas.

[Squeek]

THANKS TISHAAA

Been waiting for one o dees' for a long time now!  And you made it all cool and everything.  Nice!  I've been slacking off, so this oughta get me in the right frame of mind again

~Squeek

[Flummox]

Marvellous! Thank you Tisha []

Flummox

[Graupel]

Wow, nice thesis Tisha!

You've answered almost every question and frusteration that I have had in attempting a conscious OOBE, as the only OOBEs that have happened occurred when I woke up and "caught" myself before fully waking in a state similar to F10 (complete paralysis, where the vibrations just came naturally).  Possibly a liminal stage.

[Aerotus]

Good stuff Tisha. It is a very idealistic and in-depth review. However, I think that for beginners, some parts are somewhat misleading. Notibably, the list for "fixing problems", the theory of Gentil Poverty, and the ample free time list. Although these are generally good advice for the normal person. They are not directly linked with achieving OBEs.

I personally have had OBEs when I have been ill, worried, stressed, etc... There are no fixed rules is all I'm trying to say.

[Tisha]

Thank you for the kind replies, everyone!  I will probably tweak it here and there.  I forgot to add a link to Mr. Bruce's Treatise; I'll do that next.

I just wanted to respond to Aerotus.  I, too, have had OBEs while stressed out, sleep-deprived, ill, etc.  Unfortunately, they were miserable experiences. I confess to being a "natural" at OBEs - - the majority of mine are spontaneous - - - and I bet you are a bit of a "natural" too.

I know that a lot of people will read the first part and think "Well, yeah, DUH, everyone should do that, but what does this have to do with OBE?"  I insist to all kind readers that it has a LOT to do with achieving the relaxation necessary to have a controlled, peaceful OBE experience. This is the "groundwork" that most Astralpulse members are neglecting, and I suspect that failure to do this groundwork is the reason that most fail at OBE.  Some "naturals" might be able to OBE in less-than-ideal states of mind, but most Astralpulse folks are not "naturals" at OBE!

Thanks again folks, I highly encourage constructive criticism so that I can make this essay the best that it can be.  It will probably evolve over time.

[Adrian]

Greetings Tisha,

Excellent work!

Please let me know when you have finished tweaking it, and I will give it it's place in "the hall of fame" aka The Astral Pulse article library []

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Tisha]

Hi Adrain!  While fishing for Mr. Bruce's Treatise (I added the pdf. file as a link in my intro) I found an enourmous wealth of writings on OBE. My how this website has grown!  I'll bet many of our newbies come straight to the Forums and start posting without having read any of this material (hey, I've been here over a year and I haven't read most of it).  Shall we post some kind of FAQ link sticky reminding people of what's available on Astralpulse?  It might cut down on repetitive questions (what's an OBE? what are vibrations? and so on).

[Flummox]

Hello!

The experiences I´ve have also seems to happen when I´m sleep-deprived and stressed. I can almost tell, when I´m goin to bed those nights when I´m extremely tired, that things are going to happen.

And as I´m still working at overcoming my fears, I have mixed feelings when going to bed at those occasions. I´m thinking: Ok, false awakening coming up... or: Sleep paralysis here we go.

I stayed up one night, 5 years ago, with the intention to go see my mother(in the astral). I managed to stay up til almost 6 in the morning. Let me tell ya people. I was tired with a capital t[].

I had just closed my eyes when *BOOOOM!* paralysis hit me like a ton of bricks... Then chaos... Then I just followed along whatever happened. I only tried to focus on going to visit my mother. Then all of a sudden I was outside som building where i saw some colorful doors.

Then the scenery changed, and as my focuse cleared and I first saw a carpet on the floor. I looked around and noticed I was in an apartment. Then my mother came walking, as if she had just woken up. She looked very suprised to see me there, and she asked me: -What are you doing here? Then she followed me to the door and showed me out[]. Then she said something weird (I don´t want to tell exactly what she said... eh, It´s just strange).

She said: -Come back when...*bleep*(censored)[]

And another thing, I was naked. And it was SO REAL. I can´t explain how real it was... man, it still blows my mind when I think of it.

But how do I know it whas my mother? The thing she said was so strange that I don´t know what to think. Whas this in the astral or in the real time zone? What do you think?

After this experience I got a little freaked out. I then "gave it up" for 4 years almost. And by giving it up, I mean I didn´t read anything on the subject. I guess I was avoiding it in a way. Now I´m on my way again, if one can say so. But still, I gotta overcome those fears. Fears of what may be waiting when I leave my body. I know I probably focuse to much on the negative side... I trying not to []

And I want to learn how to do a wake-induced OBE.

That´s it for now. Thanks again Tisha.

Cheers!/Flummox

[Tisha]

Hmmmm . . . sounds like the Astral to me!  Maybe she said "come back when you've got some clothes on." []  Anyway thanks for sharing your experience!

[Flummox]

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Mental note: Next time, remember to put on the astral robe! []

Flummox

[rodentmouse]

tisha   thanks  for  the  info....

the  vibrations only  come when  your body  is  deeply  relaxed enough  is that right?

i already know the answer really but now  im more enthusiastic  about acheiving the vibrational state and would like some clarification.

when i get the vibrations i  CAN remain mentally calm,  but my heart rate  increases and i have no control over it.   Would  this suggest im not as mentally calm as i think i am?

or could it be my heart chakra?  but if it was i wouldnt get short of breath.

[Tisha]

hi rodentmouse -

I'm trying to think of the best way to answer your question.  In GENERAL, yes, to reach the vibrational state while AWARE, deep relaxation is key.

I say in GENERAL because I've had involuntary OBEs while stressed out.  However, at that moment when the vibrations came on, I was just about to drop off to sleep, so I was definitely much more relaxed than when I was awake, and I was definitely in the "in-between zone."  Does that count as relaxed?  I say yes, others might disagree!

I suppose the real objective is to get to the inbetween zone and stay awake there long enough to launch.  To do so willfully and consciously, one must relax. Otherwise one just tenses and squirms.

Your experience of a rapid heart beat MIGHT be your heart, but it might be something else entirely.  I used to have wild panic attacks when the vibrations hit, because they used to hit me with the speed of an oncoming train when I least expected it.  So it stands to reason that my heart was beating pretty wildly.  But I don't want to presume that this is what's going on with you.  

Maybe think of it this way instead:  When you get the vibrations, if you're thinking "holy cow oh my GOD oh my GOD oh my GOD," it's probably your heart beating out of control!  But if instead you're thinking, "Oh well (flop) here I go," it might just be the vibrations centering in your chest (they center in my chest too).  The vibrations are often accompanied by a sinking, pressing sensation on my chest, so if that happens to you also, you could be mistaking it for a pounding heart.

[coral1]

Hi Tisha

Great post.I believe that surrendering to the experience is the crucial part of the whole projection process.I never had any success until I was able to let go completely. It started working when I stopped trying.I guess thats a zen kind of thing.I think we should call it "Tishas Flop and a Prayer Technique"!

Happy Trails

[Robert Bruce]

G'day Tisha!

A brilliant article!!!!!

I loved it!!!!!!

All very true too.....

You have a lovely, fresh and down to earth touch with words.  When you finish tinkering with it, please send me a copy and I'll have it put on the Astral Pulse. I hope you write more.

Yes, a good idea about my articles. I've got close to 30 articles posted on my website, and many times that on my hard drive... in various states of disrepair. Some links to these posted on the forum would be a great help.  Note that we are redesigning the indexing on the website to make the articles more visible.

Keep up the excellent work.

Take care, Robert.