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« on: August 31, 2003, 02:26:39 »

Very good thesis.  I wish I had read your report before I posted my question earlier since you helped to answer some of my astral projection problems.  Some make quite some sence and will keep in mind in my next astral experience.

  My vibrations come fairly natural to me.  Always spontanuous and almost always about 2 hours before I normally wake up in a day.  I enter it usually right after a dream.  I'm fully conscious of whats happening to me and know, "welp, here I am in my attempting to project stage".  The easiest part is moving my astral arms.  I nearly always fail when it comes to projecting.  Alot of times the buzzing and vibrations will suddenly intensify and I think, "this maybe it!"  But instead, I black out to reawake partially lying there still vibrating.  I think blastid!  So I just lay there and wait till it runs its course.  Thanks for the post.  Made me think on my areas.
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2003, 03:08:36 »

THANKS TISHAAA

Been waiting for one o dees' for a long time now!  And you made it all cool and everything.  Nice! Cheesy  I've been slacking off, so this oughta get me in the right frame of mind again Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2003, 03:08:36 »

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2003, 06:13:52 »

Marvellous! Thank you Tisha [Smiley]

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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2003, 06:34:05 »

Wow, nice thesis Tisha!

You've answered almost every question and frusteration that I have had in attempting a conscious OOBE, as the only OOBEs that have happened occurred when I woke up and "caught" myself before fully waking in a state similar to F10 (complete paralysis, where the vibrations just came naturally).  Possibly a liminal stage.
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2003, 09:36:10 »

Good stuff Tisha. It is a very idealistic and in-depth review. However, I think that for beginners, some parts are somewhat misleading. Notibably, the list for "fixing problems", the theory of Gentil Poverty, and the ample free time list. Although these are generally good advice for the normal person. They are not directly linked with achieving OBEs.

I personally have had OBEs when I have been ill, worried, stressed, etc... There are no fixed rules is all I'm trying to say.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2003, 12:50:08 »

Thank you for the kind replies, everyone!  I will probably tweak it here and there.  I forgot to add a link to Mr. Bruce's Treatise; I'll do that next.

I just wanted to respond to Aerotus.  I, too, have had OBEs while stressed out, sleep-deprived, ill, etc.  Unfortunately, they were miserable experiences. I confess to being a "natural" at OBEs - - the majority of mine are spontaneous - - - and I bet you are a bit of a "natural" too.

I know that a lot of people will read the first part and think "Well, yeah, DUH, everyone should do that, but what does this have to do with OBE?"  I insist to all kind readers that it has a LOT to do with achieving the relaxation necessary to have a controlled, peaceful OBE experience. This is the "groundwork" that most Astralpulse members are neglecting, and I suspect that failure to do this groundwork is the reason that most fail at OBE.  Some "naturals" might be able to OBE in less-than-ideal states of mind, but most Astralpulse folks are not "naturals" at OBE!

Thanks again folks, I highly encourage constructive criticism so that I can make this essay the best that it can be.  It will probably evolve over time.
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2003, 12:56:48 »

Greetings Tisha,

Excellent work!

Please let me know when you have finished tweaking it, and I will give it it's place in "the hall of fame" aka The Astral Pulse article library [Smiley]

With best regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2003, 13:25:55 »

Hi Adrain!  While fishing for Mr. Bruce's Treatise (I added the pdf. file as a link in my intro) I found an enourmous wealth of writings on OBE. My how this website has grown!  I'll bet many of our newbies come straight to the Forums and start posting without having read any of this material (hey, I've been here over a year and I haven't read most of it).  Shall we post some kind of FAQ link sticky reminding people of what's available on Astralpulse?  It might cut down on repetitive questions (what's an OBE? what are vibrations? and so on).
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2003, 14:09:06 »

Hello!

The experiences Ive have also seems to happen when Im sleep-deprived and stressed. I can almost tell, when Im goin to bed those nights when Im extremely tired, that things are going to happen.

And as Im still working at overcoming my fears, I have mixed feelings when going to bed at those occasions. Im thinking: Ok, false awakening coming up... or: Sleep paralysis here we go.

I stayed up one night, 5 years ago, with the intention to go see my mother(in the astral). I managed to stay up til almost 6 in the morning. Let me tell ya people. I was tired with a capital t[Wink].

I had just closed my eyes when *BOOOOM!* paralysis hit me like a ton of bricks... Then chaos... Then I just followed along whatever happened. I only tried to focus on going to visit my mother. Then all of a sudden I was outside som building where i saw some colorful doors.

Then the scenery changed, and as my focuse cleared and I first saw a carpet on the floor. I looked around and noticed I was in an apartment. Then my mother came walking, as if she had just woken up. She looked very suprised to see me there, and she asked me: -What are you doing here? Then she followed me to the door and showed me out[Smiley]. Then she said something weird (I dont want to tell exactly what she said... eh, Its just strange).

She said: -Come back when...*bleep*(censored)[Cheesy]

And another thing, I was naked. And it was SO REAL. I cant explain how real it was... man, it still blows my mind when I think of it.

But how do I know it whas my mother? The thing she said was so strange that I dont know what to think. Whas this in the astral or in the real time zone? What do you think?

After this experience I got a little freaked out. I then "gave it up" for 4 years almost. And by giving it up, I mean I didnt read anything on the subject. I guess I was avoiding it in a way. Now Im on my way again, if one can say so. But still, I gotta overcome those fears. Fears of what may be waiting when I leave my body. I know I probably focuse to much on the negative side... I trying not to [Wink]

And I want to learn how to do a wake-induced OBE.

Thats it for now. Thanks again Tisha.

Cheers!/Flummox

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2003, 18:28:21 »

Hmmmm . . . sounds like the Astral to me!  Maybe she said "come back when you've got some clothes on." [Wink]  Anyway thanks for sharing your experience!
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2003, 18:49:30 »

[Cheesy]
Mental note: Next time, remember to put on the astral robe! [Wink]

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2003, 19:51:43 »

tisha   thanks  for  the  info....

the  vibrations only  come when  your body  is  deeply  relaxed enough  is that right?

i already know the answer really but now  im more enthusiastic  about acheiving the vibrational state and would like some clarification.

when i get the vibrations i  CAN remain mentally calm,  but my heart rate  increases and i have no control over it.   Would  this suggest im not as mentally calm as i think i am?

or could it be my heart chakra?  but if it was i wouldnt get short of breath.

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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2003, 21:28:20 »

hi rodentmouse -

I'm trying to think of the best way to answer your question.  In GENERAL, yes, to reach the vibrational state while AWARE, deep relaxation is key.

I say in GENERAL because I've had involuntary OBEs while stressed out.  However, at that moment when the vibrations came on, I was just about to drop off to sleep, so I was definitely much more relaxed than when I was awake, and I was definitely in the "in-between zone."  Does that count as relaxed?  I say yes, others might disagree!

I suppose the real objective is to get to the inbetween zone and stay awake there long enough to launch.  To do so willfully and consciously, one must relax. Otherwise one just tenses and squirms.

Your experience of a rapid heart beat MIGHT be your heart, but it might be something else entirely.  I used to have wild panic attacks when the vibrations hit, because they used to hit me with the speed of an oncoming train when I least expected it.  So it stands to reason that my heart was beating pretty wildly.  But I don't want to presume that this is what's going on with you.  

Maybe think of it this way instead:  When you get the vibrations, if you're thinking "holy cow oh my GOD oh my GOD oh my GOD," it's probably your heart beating out of control!  But if instead you're thinking, "Oh well (flop) here I go," it might just be the vibrations centering in your chest (they center in my chest too).  The vibrations are often accompanied by a sinking, pressing sensation on my chest, so if that happens to you also, you could be mistaking it for a pounding heart.


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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2003, 00:45:06 »

Hi Tisha

Great post.I believe that surrendering to the experience is the crucial part of the whole projection process.I never had any success until I was able to let go completely. It started working when I stopped trying.I guess thats a zen kind of thing.I think we should call it "Tishas Flop and a Prayer Technique"!

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2003, 03:13:13 »

G'day Tisha!

A brilliant article!!!!!

I loved it!!!!!!

All very true too.....

You have a lovely, fresh and down to earth touch with words.  When you finish tinkering with it, please send me a copy and I'll have it put on the Astral Pulse. I hope you write more.

Yes, a good idea about my articles. I've got close to 30 articles posted on my website, and many times that on my hard drive... in various states of disrepair. Some links to these posted on the forum would be a great help.  Note that we are redesigning the indexing on the website to make the articles more visible.

Keep up the excellent work.

Take care, Robert.
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2003, 08:06:28 »

Dear Tisha,

Thanks for sharing your experiences and ideas. I want to share my experiences so far in order to help the newcomers, too.

It seems that we both are using the similar methods to induce obes. So here are my experiences and advices to the newcomers.

First of all i have to tell you that you must be familiar with your astral senses. Why?

You may have read over here and over there about when you OBE once that you can OBE further. In my opinion thats because having the experience of OBE gives you an idea of what it is all about and what to expect. And the most important point here is that it gives you the feeling of it.

People are reading about methods, techniques, experiences and when they think they had enough info about it and they start trying for it. They are concentrating on the methods, visualizations and sensetions so much that they cant get to a really relaxed state.

Personally i experienced these myself when first trying to learn these. I was trying to pull the rope so much that after the trial i felt ill. My neck was hurt and aching. I was forcing myself so hard!!! Then i realized that the relaxation is the key point here. Believe me relaxation is the most important thing.

So i began trying to understand the sleeping process of the human body. Every night when i went to bed i tried to watch myself fall asleep. And in the morning when i wake up i wrote those down. By this way i realized something. When i come to the borderland of falling asleep, i felt myself heavier and felt like my thinking process was changing somehow. (Maybe thats because of the brain wave changes...)

Now this is important: While sleeping i wasnt thinking as the way i do while i am awake.

So i continued my research on the changes of my sensations when i fall asleep.

I realized a high pitched ringing sound in my ears when i wake up in the morning. I dont know if this is happening to everyone but it happens to me. So i decided to focus on my ears when i am going to sleep. On that night i realized that after a short time of relaxation i was starting to hear the same sound in my ears. (Later i learned that this ringing sound gets louder and louder when the vibrations hit.)

Then i tried to understand the seeing sensation. So when i was going to sleep i tried to look physically behind my eyelids. I saw a million tiny flashing and moving lights. Slowly the lights faded away and some images start to appear in front of me. Then i opened my eyes and closed them again, the flashing tiny lights were still there. So i figured out that seeing was different too.

There is one more thing i have to tell you. It is about visualization. Visualizing things is different than seeing things. You can try it for yourself. Close your eyes and look behind your eyelids. Watch the tiny flashing lights. Do not visualize anything. Relax. You will start to see some images appearing. Now this is not visualization. After seeing those images try to visualize something. You will understand what i mean.

What i figured out from all these was: DONT EXPECT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT FEELS. TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE FEELINGS OF YOUR ASTRAL SENSES. THIS REALLY HELPS TRUST ME!

Dont ask yourself questions like "is this it?", "am i projecting now?", "am i doing it right?"... YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU PROJECT SO DONT TRY TO IDENTIFY ANY SENSATION.

DONT READ OTHERS' EXPERIENCES TOO MUCH. Why? Because OBE is hard to describe. The more you read the more you will imagine how it feels. And that does not help for sure. For example try to describe the seeing sensation to a blind person. You will realize how hard it is.

Also while trying to project dont try to feel your physical body. TRYING TO FEEL YOUR PHYSICAL BODY PREVENTS YOU FROM GETTING INTO THE VIBRATIONAL STATE.

Here is an example how i spoiled it once:

With this idea one morning i laid on my bed and started breath meditation. I was counting my exhales. When i reach ten i was starting from one. After a while i started to see some images. So i started to try to think as i am asleep. I realized that i was moving deeper into trance. My breath slowed down. I was hardly hearing my breath. I was continuing counting but i wasnt saying "one","two" instead i was seeing an image of 1, 2, then 3... I wasnt visualizing them. But i was just seeing them... My conciousnes was silent at that time and i was just watching the numbers. The numbers changed shape and became 3D after a while. Then i found myself watching a dream. I was lucid in a dream. So i said DEEPER to my self. I wanted to alter my state of conciousness. Then i felt i was being sucked. Vibrations were all around me. I was hearing nonsence sounds and they were getting louder and louder. I tried to feel my physical body. And i just spoiled it. I got up and wrote the whole experience down.

Well thats all for now. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2003, 13:10:29 »

Tnx a lot, Tisha. A lot.

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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2003, 18:52:29 »

Thanks Birm/all- - many of us have botched OBE attempts after thinking about our physical bodies.  Even thoughts like "oh boy I'm vibrating I'd better not think about my body - - DOH!!!!!!!! RATS!!!"

 I don't think I mentioned that in my essay, so I'll go back and fix that!
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2003, 19:02:45 »

yes  tisha  thats what i get: panic attacks....

How  do/did  you overcome them?  

i assume  it just gets less surreal  the more  you experience  them..hence  are easier to handle?

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2003, 19:23:00 »

Rodentmouse, I just had to get used to the feeling.  Once I found Astralpulse and realized that I was absolutely safe, I stopped panicking.  Unfotunately however, panic was replaced with giddy excitement, which was just as bad!  The best attitude is "blase."
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2003, 05:47:49 »

quote:
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Thanks Birm/all- - many of us have botched OBE attempts after thinking about our physical bodies.  Even thoughts like "oh boy I'm vibrating I'd better not think about my body - - DOH!!!!!!!! RATS!!!"

 I don't think I mentioned that in my essay, so I'll go back and fix that!



I am happy if i could be helpful.
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2003, 17:25:55 »

Hey Birm, I just had a quick question for you regarding the borderline sleep state:

How do you keep yourself from loosing consciousness and falling asleep?  Because it seems like whenever I try to stay awake I just lay in bed for hours and in the end I give up, which I eventually just have a dream and wake up the next morning thinking "how did I fall asleep?"

Would just concentrating on the noise of your breathing (for me personally I breathe through my nose and it makes a high wooshing sound) be enough to stay awake into and through the borderline sleep state?

Or simply just focusing on your hearing and expecting that high-pitched "ringing" sound from the etheric body to happen sometime be enough to keep your mind awake and not let it slip into a dream?
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2003, 19:27:37 »

Tisha,
First, thanks for your posting. I've been concentrating on meditation but have been totally unable to really relax. I'll work on that. But you mentioned diet -- do you mean healthy eating habits, or vegetarian as opposed to eating meat? Robert Bruce's book recommends not trying to OBE on a full stomache. I could use a little more guidance here.

PS: You say your life is without stress and then say you have 4 cats?!
Hmmmmmm. [Cheesy]
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2003, 06:23:04 »

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Hey Birm, I just had a quick question for you regarding the borderline sleep state:

How do you keep yourself from loosing consciousness and falling asleep?  Because it seems like whenever I try to stay awake I just lay in bed for hours and in the end I give up, which I eventually just have a dream and wake up the next morning thinking "how did I fall asleep?"


Well, if try to project at night you will probably fall asleep. Thats because your body is tired and needs to sleep. Also it is harder to keep yourself concious at that state. The key to OBE is to relax as you can in order to be AWARE of your conciousness. This is a hard thing to learn thats for sure. You can try to obe in a different place than your bed, or you can sit. If you do so you will be aware that you are not in your bed and that will remind you, you are trying to project. So you wont fall asleep easily.

On the other hand when you wake up naturally in the morning, your body is fully rested. Projecting in the morning is very very easier than projecting at night. Because your body is already relaxed and your mind is used to the astral feeling you had while you were sleeping. I usually wake up an hour before i go to work. I drink a cup of tea, go to bathroom and read about obe for 10 minutes. After then i lay down on my bed and try to project. I dont fall asleep, and i can get to the 3d blackness stage in minutes.

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Would just concentrating on the noise of your breathing (for me personally I breathe through my nose and it makes a high wooshing sound) be enough to stay awake into and through the borderline sleep state?

Or simply just focusing on your hearing and expecting that high-pitched "ringing" sound from the etheric body to happen sometime be enough to keep your mind awake and not let it slip into a dream?



You may choose whatever you want in order to keep your mind awake. Focusing on your hearing is helpful because you can feel the brain wave changes with that sound. As you fall deeper the sound gets louder.

You may try to find other ways of course. Just listen to your mind and forget about your body. Thats what you have to do.

Hope this helps,
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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2003, 16:30:55 »

As I was reading the question about diet, I was gnawing on a piece of beef jerky, so obviously I don't advise a vegetarian diet!  What I do advise:  a healthy, balanced diet, preferably organic, including organic meat and eggs. Avoid starches, sugars, hydrogenated oils and junk food.

Don't bother projecting on a stomach full of protein; it won't work.  Protein is very "grounding," so you'll be "grounded" until you're done digesting.  In general, try not to eat protein (or anything for that matter)after 6:30 pm if you want to project in the pm or early am.  HM. Gotta add this to the essay.

On the other end of the diet spectrum, a high carbohydrate diet (starches, sugars, fruits, grains etc.) is really, really bad for you. Too many carbs can cause yeast problems, which cause poisons to develop in your body, resulting in a "brain fog" that is very much like a drunken buzz or an "inbetween" state, but it's REALLY REALLY BAD for you.

In general, if it's white or fried, don't eat it.  Look for bright colors (greens, carrots, peppers, etc), and lean meats, and eggs.  And green tea!  I can't say enough good things about green tea!

enough about diet . . .
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