Tisha's essay on OBE

[Birm]

Dear Tisha,

Thanks for sharing your experiences and ideas. I want to share my experiences so far in order to help the newcomers, too.

It seems that we both are using the similar methods to induce obes. So here are my experiences and advices to the newcomers.

First of all i have to tell you that you must be familiar with your astral senses. Why?

You may have read over here and over there about when you OBE once that you can OBE further. In my opinion thats because having the experience of OBE gives you an idea of what it is all about and what to expect. And the most important point here is that it gives you the feeling of it.

People are reading about methods, techniques, experiences and when they think they had enough info about it and they start trying for it. They are concentrating on the methods, visualizations and sensetions so much that they cant get to a really relaxed state.

Personally i experienced these myself when first trying to learn these. I was trying to pull the rope so much that after the trial i felt ill. My neck was hurt and aching. I was forcing myself so hard!!! Then i realized that the relaxation is the key point here. Believe me relaxation is the most important thing.

So i began trying to understand the sleeping process of the human body. Every night when i went to bed i tried to watch myself fall asleep. And in the morning when i wake up i wrote those down. By this way i realized something. When i come to the borderland of falling asleep, i felt myself heavier and felt like my thinking process was changing somehow. (Maybe thats because of the brain wave changes...)

Now this is important: While sleeping i wasnt thinking as the way i do while i am awake.

So i continued my research on the changes of my sensations when i fall asleep.

I realized a high pitched ringing sound in my ears when i wake up in the morning. I dont know if this is happening to everyone but it happens to me. So i decided to focus on my ears when i am going to sleep. On that night i realized that after a short time of relaxation i was starting to hear the same sound in my ears. (Later i learned that this ringing sound gets louder and louder when the vibrations hit.)

Then i tried to understand the seeing sensation. So when i was going to sleep i tried to look physically behind my eyelids. I saw a million tiny flashing and moving lights. Slowly the lights faded away and some images start to appear in front of me. Then i opened my eyes and closed them again, the flashing tiny lights were still there. So i figured out that seeing was different too.

There is one more thing i have to tell you. It is about visualization. Visualizing things is different than seeing things. You can try it for yourself. Close your eyes and look behind your eyelids. Watch the tiny flashing lights. Do not visualize anything. Relax. You will start to see some images appearing. Now this is not visualization. After seeing those images try to visualize something. You will understand what i mean.

What i figured out from all these was: DONT EXPECT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT FEELS. TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE FEELINGS OF YOUR ASTRAL SENSES. THIS REALLY HELPS TRUST ME!

Dont ask yourself questions like "is this it?", "am i projecting now?", "am i doing it right?"... YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU PROJECT SO DONT TRY TO IDENTIFY ANY SENSATION.

DONT READ OTHERS' EXPERIENCES TOO MUCH. Why? Because OBE is hard to describe. The more you read the more you will imagine how it feels. And that does not help for sure. For example try to describe the seeing sensation to a blind person. You will realize how hard it is.

Also while trying to project dont try to feel your physical body. TRYING TO FEEL YOUR PHYSICAL BODY PREVENTS YOU FROM GETTING INTO THE VIBRATIONAL STATE.

Here is an example how i spoiled it once:

With this idea one morning i laid on my bed and started breath meditation. I was counting my exhales. When i reach ten i was starting from one. After a while i started to see some images. So i started to try to think as i am asleep. I realized that i was moving deeper into trance. My breath slowed down. I was hardly hearing my breath. I was continuing counting but i wasnt saying "one","two" instead i was seeing an image of 1, 2, then 3... I wasnt visualizing them. But i was just seeing them... My conciousnes was silent at that time and i was just watching the numbers. The numbers changed shape and became 3D after a while. Then i found myself watching a dream. I was lucid in a dream. So i said DEEPER to my self. I wanted to alter my state of conciousness. Then i felt i was being sucked. Vibrations were all around me. I was hearing nonsence sounds and they were getting louder and louder. I tried to feel my physical body. And i just spoiled it. I got up and wrote the whole experience down.

Well thats all for now. Hope this helps.
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[untouch]

Tnx a lot, Tisha. A lot.

untouch

[Tisha]

Thanks Birm/all- - many of us have botched OBE attempts after thinking about our physical bodies.  Even thoughts like "oh boy I'm vibrating I'd better not think about my body - - DOH!!!!!!!! RATS!!!"

 I don't think I mentioned that in my essay, so I'll go back and fix that!

[rodentmouse]

yes  tisha  thats what i get: panic attacks....

How  do/did  you overcome them?  

i assume  it just gets less surreal  the more  you experience  them..hence  are easier to handle?

[Tisha]

Rodentmouse, I just had to get used to the feeling.  Once I found Astralpulse and realized that I was absolutely safe, I stopped panicking.  Unfotunately however, panic was replaced with giddy excitement, which was just as bad!  The best attitude is "blase."

[Birm]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

Thanks Birm/all- - many of us have botched OBE attempts after thinking about our physical bodies.  Even thoughts like "oh boy I'm vibrating I'd better not think about my body - - DOH!!!!!!!! RATS!!!"

 I don't think I mentioned that in my essay, so I'll go back and fix that!

I am happy if i could be helpful.
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[Graupel]

Hey Birm, I just had a quick question for you regarding the borderline sleep state:

How do you keep yourself from loosing consciousness and falling asleep?  Because it seems like whenever I try to stay awake I just lay in bed for hours and in the end I give up, which I eventually just have a dream and wake up the next morning thinking "how did I fall asleep?"

Would just concentrating on the noise of your breathing (for me personally I breathe through my nose and it makes a high wooshing sound) be enough to stay awake into and through the borderline sleep state?

Or simply just focusing on your hearing and expecting that high-pitched "ringing" sound from the etheric body to happen sometime be enough to keep your mind awake and not let it slip into a dream?

[greatoutdoors]

Tisha,
First, thanks for your posting. I've been concentrating on meditation but have been totally unable to really relax. I'll work on that. But you mentioned diet -- do you mean healthy eating habits, or vegetarian as opposed to eating meat? Robert Bruce's book recommends not trying to OBE on a full stomache. I could use a little more guidance here.

PS: You say your life is without stress and then say you have 4 cats?!
Hmmmmmm. []

[Birm]

quote:Originally posted by Graupel

Hey Birm, I just had a quick question for you regarding the borderline sleep state:

How do you keep yourself from loosing consciousness and falling asleep?  Because it seems like whenever I try to stay awake I just lay in bed for hours and in the end I give up, which I eventually just have a dream and wake up the next morning thinking "how did I fall asleep?"

Well, if try to project at night you will probably fall asleep. Thats because your body is tired and needs to sleep. Also it is harder to keep yourself concious at that state. The key to OBE is to relax as you can in order to be AWARE of your conciousness. This is a hard thing to learn thats for sure. You can try to obe in a different place than your bed, or you can sit. If you do so you will be aware that you are not in your bed and that will remind you, you are trying to project. So you wont fall asleep easily.

On the other hand when you wake up naturally in the morning, your body is fully rested. Projecting in the morning is very very easier than projecting at night. Because your body is already relaxed and your mind is used to the astral feeling you had while you were sleeping. I usually wake up an hour before i go to work. I drink a cup of tea, go to bathroom and read about obe for 10 minutes. After then i lay down on my bed and try to project. I dont fall asleep, and i can get to the 3d blackness stage in minutes.

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Would just concentrating on the noise of your breathing (for me personally I breathe through my nose and it makes a high wooshing sound) be enough to stay awake into and through the borderline sleep state?

Or simply just focusing on your hearing and expecting that high-pitched "ringing" sound from the etheric body to happen sometime be enough to keep your mind awake and not let it slip into a dream?

You may choose whatever you want in order to keep your mind awake. Focusing on your hearing is helpful because you can feel the brain wave changes with that sound. As you fall deeper the sound gets louder.

You may try to find other ways of course. Just listen to your mind and forget about your body. Thats what you have to do.

Hope this helps,
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[Tisha]

As I was reading the question about diet, I was gnawing on a piece of beef jerky, so obviously I don't advise a vegetarian diet!  What I do advise:  a healthy, balanced diet, preferably organic, including organic meat and eggs. Avoid starches, sugars, hydrogenated oils and junk food.

Don't bother projecting on a stomach full of protein; it won't work.  Protein is very "grounding," so you'll be "grounded" until you're done digesting.  In general, try not to eat protein (or anything for that matter)after 6:30 pm if you want to project in the pm or early am.  HM. Gotta add this to the essay.

On the other end of the diet spectrum, a high carbohydrate diet (starches, sugars, fruits, grains etc.) is really, really bad for you. Too many carbs can cause yeast problems, which cause poisons to develop in your body, resulting in a "brain fog" that is very much like a drunken buzz or an "inbetween" state, but it's REALLY REALLY BAD for you.

In general, if it's white or fried, don't eat it.  Look for bright colors (greens, carrots, peppers, etc), and lean meats, and eggs.  And green tea!  I can't say enough good things about green tea!

enough about diet . . .

[greatoutdoors]

Tish, thanks for the tips on diet -- I was able to get supper out of the way by 7:00 last night and I'm going to try and make that a habit. But I have another question and hope you can help.

I have had just one experience that I think was an OBE, but now maybe it wasn't. [?] I was wide awake and standing up when very suddenly I was behind "me", just watching the "other me". As soon as I realized it, thought "Whoa, what's this!?" and was back in my body. No vibrations, no time lag, just instantaneous. What happened -- do OBE's happen like that?

I don't do drugs or such (think middle-aged lady here) so I know that had nothing to do with it. [] Any thoughts?

[Tisha]

greatoutdoors,

It sounds like a kind of remote viewing, or RV. You are "seeing," but from another vantage point. In my opinion, it's a side-effect of spiritual/magical/energetic work.  I find lost things with it []

Anyway, if you are interested in finding out what other people think about RV, do a "search" on the topic and see what comes up!

[Adrian]

Greetings Birm,

Thanks for adding your experiences to this topic. I am very pleased it is sticky; it is extremely useful!

I would say one thing; there is absolutetly no doubts whatsoever waking up a couple of hours or so earlier than usual and then projecting is extremely effective, possibly the most effective starting point of all.  As you say, the body is already very physically relaxed, and oriented towards the Astral. Also, the brainwaves are still close to theta. After that it is just a matter of technique. Some prefer to get up for 20 minutes or so and go back to bed to try and OBE or Astral project. I think it is more effective to go more or less into projection mode without disturbing the body too much. Focussing on the brow chakra to bring in the imagery is also very effective. If no imagery appears, use the imagination to create a scenario and that can trigger phasing. The Astral Pulse Island methods includes that.

I do believe you are correct when yoy say people try to hard. Most will keep thinking they can still feel the physical body and so on. The fact is, if you focus inwards, or on the brow chakra or imagery, your senses are projected away from the physical to the Astral.

Thanks again Birm and Tisha.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Greetings,

Another thought, it would be very useful indeed if members described how you achieve a state of deep physical relaxation. As has been pointed out, this is probably the most important pre-requisite for Astral projection.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Tao]

Wow.. Tisha... great job.. It is nice that some DO think at the newbies (the ones who can`t AP)

Well.. i had this little question for you which i never found an answear on to.. Can you sense temerature in Astral ?

Yours truly,
Mihai