Tisha's essay on OBE

[quebec]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings,

Another thought, it would be very useful indeed if members described how you achieve a state of deep physical relaxation. As has been pointed out, this is probably the most important pre-requisite for Astral projection.

With best regards,

Adrian.

This is a GREAT, GREAT suggestion Adrian!! This could be a new post very helpful for thoses struggling for that first one.

Thisha, Brim, Frank and all you lucky, lucky OBE travellers please give your suggestions on this.

[Tisha]

Tao, I've never felt temperature on the Astral.  That doesn't mean YOU won't when you get there, however!

[Tao]

Thanks for the reply Tisha..
I was wondering what are you feeling when you think about how cold or hot it feels in the Astral..


thanks again,
Mike

[hamgirl]

hi tisha thanks 4 sharing, i wish i would have read ur post b4 i put mine up.  like my post says i have experienced " vibrations" and all i can say is woah...i had no idea and untill u feel them... it was awesome, but then i became freaked out, it was the first time i tried and i wasnt sure of what to expect and i think at that moment i could chose to leave or stay and as i was about to go i got scared and backed out.  do i have anything to fear?  i tryed again but its even harder now than the first time , i know its my fear that is holding me back (maybe bc now i know i can leave my body).  Have u had any bad experiences?  i would like to try to AP, even if only once just to know, but now it is even harder 4 me to try b/c i cant let go of my minds worries.

[Tisha]

I've had some cross-over experiences that were pretty terrifying.  In the beginning, I was dragged, kicking and screaming (so to speak) into the Astral.  Then one day I just relaxed.  I figured, it's been going on this long and nothing bad has happened . . . I always come out ok . . . there's nothing I can do about it anyway.  And then WHOOP! I was out.

nothing bad has happened to me since!

[Birm]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings,

Another thought, it would be very useful indeed if members described how you achieve a state of deep physical relaxation. As has been pointed out, this is probably the most important pre-requisite for Astral projection.

With best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Everyone,

First of all i have to tell you that i used bwgen for a while and experimented with it for a week. Bwgen is very useful for achieving deep relaxation states especially for newbies. I personally worked hard on Zen meditation several years ago and that helps me a lot for achieving altered states of conciousness. When i first tried bwgen i realized that it really helps achieving deep physical relaxation while being aware of your conciousness even when you are sitting. I suggest newbies to use the bwgen with the deep mind IV preset for relaxation. While doing that please be aware of your senses. Just experiment it. The optimum length of a session is 45 minutes. You shall be relaxed easily at that time i think. Examine how it relaxes you.

Here is my method for achieving a state of deep physical relaxation.

I lay on my bed in a comfortable sleeping position. I start breath meditation. I count my exhales. If you are new to this you can count both inhales and exhales. Remember it is all about concentration.

Inhale
Exhale - I say 1
Inhale
Exhale - I say 2
Inhale
Exhale - I say 3
Inhale
Exhale - I say 4
Inhale
Exhale - I say 5
Inhale
Exhale - I say 6
Inhale
Exhale - I say 7
Inhale
Exhale - I say 8
Inhale
Exhale - I say 9
Inhale
Exhale - I say 10
Inhale
Exhale - I say 1
Inhale
Exhale - I say 2
.. it goes on like this...

I do this for a while and if i am feeling comfortable i start to see what i say:
Inhale
Exhale - I see an image of 1
Inhale
Exhale - I see an image of 2
Inhale
Exhale - I see an image of 3
..

This is important because by doing this i try to stop thinking by talking to myself. So i am trying to forget about all my physical activity.

After a while i may start seeing visions behind the images of numbers. I let them come and go while i am seeing the numbers over those visions. This is very helpful in order to achieve an altered state of conciousness while staying awake.

If i feel like i am starting to fall asleep at that moment. I stop and get up. I walk around in the house for a while.

Then i lay down on my back and start the projection process.

This really helps because your body will be already relaxed and you can concentrate on your projection very easily.

P.S. Examine your senses all the time in order to learn about them.

Hope this helps,
.
.

[Tombo]

here's my way to induce the vibrations:
I induce a LD which at least for me seems a lot easier then inducing an obe. When the LD ends I stay aware and feel myself moved back to my sleeping body. Now I just stay completly calm and don't move at all, at this point the vibration hit me with full intensity after about 2-5 seconds without any effort!
This might especially help people like myself that have problems to relax completly
Hope this helps somebody!

[Saints]

Tisha:
Nice write up!
Very thorough. I can relate to the relaxation and will formula. It works for me.  
BTW: Did you ever notice...did you ever get a good look at your phyical body after you left?
Did you ever notice your body, especially your torso.  I saw mine on the first conscious separation.  From an inclined position, I sat up and looked down at my chest and it looked pretty cool.  My chest looked just like the night sky....a dark field impregated with stars of different intensity and size.  It was amazing!  Did you ever notice anything like that?

[Tisha]

Hi!  I only paid attention to my astral (etheric?) body, and I just looked like a ghost wrapped in my bedsheet.  Or my long white jammies, I'm not quite sure.

[Gandalf]

I can never see my *actual* physical body when I project, although I sometimes see my body in a position that I know it isnt!
This is probably my etheric body as Tisha describes.
Actually I dont mind as I would rather avoid any freaky astral feedback effects that you get if your body and you both stare at eachother for two long!

Douglas

PS Tisha_ nice cleavage btw!

[Sokrates]

Very good Tisha. I´m impressed! Its good to have obe:s and also good to understand them

/Sokrates

[Gandalf]

Sokrates! Praise the gods, we all thought you were dead; where have you been for the last 2500 years???

So that cup of hemlock wasnt fatal after all? or did you fake your own death in order to escape those trumped up anti-democracy charges?

You have a lot of catching up to do Sok, a really crap religion called 'christianity' has been messing with peoples brains for the past 1700 years or so but luckily for you, philosophy is back in a real big way man!

btw one of your pupils, some guy called Plato has been screwing with some of your ideas... and some of his 'philosopher king' stuff is just way out!

All the best!

Douglas

[V00D00]

hm... i just read the thing.... diss is great tisha... i just want to say that my nearest oobe was after i read the treatise the first time... i was lying and just thinking "wow... this ap thing is great... i would like to try it out... i just wonder how it looks..." and the like... oh... and one important thing... i was listening to goa trance (i almost every day listen to goa before sleep, mainly to astral projection and man with no name) and was in that in-between sleep/awake state when a rumbling came... at first it was like it came from inside my body and i just accepted it... but a few moments later it looked like the rumbling is all around me and is becoming louder and then i got scared and got up... i tried a few times after that but nothing...

wow... this meant to be only a "thank you" post but it grew into something bigger... after reading your essay i'm sure i will try your "techniques"... my life is quite a mess )

gotta go now... my favourite movie is starting... well, not favourite but one of the best (my favourite is SIGNS, with mel gibson)... i'm gone

oh.. almost forgot.. thanks tisha

[Tisha]

Thanks for the thanks, everyone, Voodoo, Sokrates, everyone, and thanks too Birm for your observations - - - very important and useful stuff!

[Tao]

Tisha i was wondering - there is an yahoo id you posted in your profile.. do you ever log on to yahoo ? or to aol ?

About the essay - when is part 2 coming up next ? you have a lots of fans

I was wondering - some say that all this techinques and definitions do not help but rather confuse a newbie.. what is your opinion on that ?

and another thing - have you heard of Frank ? I don`t want to sound selfish but this forum is such a lonely place without him..

Mihai