Validation thread!

[catmeow]

DH - that's exactly the type of validation I was thinking of when I started the thread.  I consider it to be a validation although the skeptically minded would label it coincidence, even though it goes beyond coincidence.  Any fair minded person would be reluctant to dismiss this as just coincidence.

I did once project to visit a friend of mine who had travelled to the US and had not been in contact for about 6 weeks.  I did find her, and that put my mind at rest that she was safe.  I never checked with her to verify that what I saw was accurate, because I didn't want to spook her.  Enough time has now passed and I should really verify the details.  Al I can say is that I saw her in what I considered to be a building which felt like a medical practice.  I later discovered that she was staying with a doctor, at his home which was also his practice.  But I should really confirm all of the details of what I saw to really count this as a good validation.

Zante - I wonder if you would be interested in sharing that first experience?

Tvos - thanks - I must check your website (again)!

[Zante]

Zante - I wonder if you would be interested in sharing that first experience?

I was brought up in a family with christian roots, none of them were staunchly religious though and didn't seem to care what the other chose to believe after childhood. To that end I started drifting away from the idea of religion. During the time I was in my late teens I had all sorts of emotional problems going on (some of which I'd rather not talk about) and, in order to lessen the burden, I'd poke fun at those who believed in something that seemed so absurd to me, even my brother who pursued the idea of OBEs. I just thought of them as being weak, unable to cope with "reality".

There were times however, when things just seemed so hopeless, that I couldn't help but look to something I could believe as being more important than myself. So, that's when I started considering the idea of "God as an external entity". It was just a concept I kept in mind at the time, nothing more.

Lots of other things followed but it's this next experience which really got me thinking differently.

One night I found myself at the foot of a mountain, everything around this giant of a spectacle was flat. It really stood out. I looked up and, much to my surprise, my view zoomed in on the summit where I saw what I interpreted as being Jesus (it was the stereotypical archetype) looking down to me while waving, smile on his face to boot. There was a lot of meaning in it for me. That's the experience which gave me the final shove.

Looking back, it was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. It pulled me out of the box I was in, even if it was so I could experience another box later on. I was able to experience both ends of the spectrum thanks to that.

More spontaneous experiences followed and that's what got me to take my brother seriously (his interest in OBEs). I've done a lot of reading and I've heard and experienced some extraordinary things. I just need to be 100% sure of everything though. So far I'm about 95% certain that there's something very important going on here. Unless I can stand before a real skeptic with 100% confidence in my own truth, it's meaningless. It's amazing what some people need in order to be convinced. I've experienced just about every chakra sensation documented.

All I need to do is complete the experiment I've had set up for me successfully. : )  

Then my life begins anew, again. ;p

[AndrewTheSinger]

Talanay, I think it is a picture (60%) or a telephone (40%), but if it isn't I'll see if I can find out through the astral.

[catmeow]

Zante - Thanks for sharing.  Personally I am 99.9% certain that during OBE/LD/AP (whatever you wish to call it) something is happening which is different from ordinary dreaming.  There is definitely a consensus reality to it, whether it is just a shared dream world, a collective consciousness, or a real alternate reality.  But the worlds we find ourselves in during LD/OBE/AP are shared in some way, and also overlap the physical world.  As to whether or not we need a physical body to support this activity, I don't know the answer to that.  NDE studies suggest strongly that we don't need the physical body either.  But the idea behind this thread is to gather validation that LD/OBE/AP is a shared reality....  and therefore "real" by my definition.

[tvos]

Zante,

I thought the same way when I approached obe's, about obtaining proof, validation - if its real or not and just make believe.

As I started this quest 20 years ago, I can firmly say "yes, something is definitely there" are we able to prove this to others? The answer is "no" and it's based on our own personal experiences to prove it otherwise.

Its obvious that if this didn't exist, we wouldn't be talking about it, sharing our stories of NDEs/OBEs and helping each other. You definitely need to be wise and not take every experience literally but to learn from it.

Once I think you dig deep down into personal validation I think you'll find your own answers.

Tvos

[Nay]

Hey Andrew,

I'm sorry but it's not either of those things.  I was hoping for people to try it out in the astral.  I've even gone into a light trance twice and "highlighted" the object, hoping that would help.  I don't know if it will, but thought it couldn't hurt. 

Tvos, I was sure you would want to give this a go.  You seem to have a high sucess rate.  Give it try!  I'm totally interested in seeing what you get.

I'll give it till wednesday.  Good luck!

[tvos]

Talanay,

I am not a master yet, but I can at least achieve 2-3 obe's weekly. I do consider myself VERY lucky being able to put myself into the trance and leave.

Right now, I have a few projects that I'm working on which I need to focus on soley. I find that if I have too balls up in the air it gets confusing and side tracked when I do project of what I need to accomplish.

Tvos

[Selski]

This topic deserves to be a sticky for now, hopefully to become a Permanent topic.

My validation experience is in the FAQs, under Playing Card Experiment.

I've also had an experience where I met a deceased friend - how do you verify that one?! 

This is a great thread catmeow.  Thanks for the idea.

TalaNay - I will try but 48 hours may not be enough... 

Sarah

[Nay]

  I'll give you more time, no problem!  The "thing" has been there for five years, it's not going anywhere.  I'm thinking I should clean up my room a little now and wear a robe after inviting everyone to have a lookies. 

[Zante]

It's a fun challenge : p

The only problem is getting the right location/area. If we knew how to navigate our way there it would make the whole "teleport" scenario redundant.

[kiwibonga]

I'll give it a serious try as well... I've been "on the edge" of projection a few nights in a row, hopefully I'll have one by the end of the week.

I must warn you guys though, it won't be a fair challenge. I will make use of my super-objective-vision theory AND my spirit guides  oOoOoO

[Nay]

hehehe.. Kiwi!  Good luck!

Tvos, no problem, I totally understand.

[catmeow]

Sarah - thanks!

[Stookie]

I have a silly story of what I thought would be validation:

2 nights ago I had and conscious-exit OBE and wandered around my house. I was so sure that I had was fully focused in the RTZ - I've been in my new house a few months now and everything was exactly as it was before my OBE attempt that night. It was all very solid, everything being in place. Then I noticed a crack in one of my new blinds. I inspected it and was sure this would be my validation. I made a note of which set of blinds and the area it was cracked.

So the next morning I get up and check, and the blinds are fine. I was positive it would be cracked. I checked all the blinds in the house, but nothing. Oh well.

[catmeow]

Stookie - infuriating eh?  The RTZ is like that.

I posted the following minor validation earlier in this thread but it disappeared somehow! So I'll repost it...

I did once project to visit a friend of mine who had travelled to the US and had not been in contact for about 6 weeks.  I did find her, and that put my mind at rest that she was safe.  I never checked with her to verify that what I saw was accurate, because I didn't want to spook her.  Enough time has now passed and I should really verify the details.  Al I can say is that I saw her in what I considered to be a building which felt like a medical practice.  I later discovered that she was staying with a doctor, at his home which was also his practice.  But I should really confirm all of the details of what I saw to really count this as a good validation.