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« on: January 09, 2007, 22:38:24 »

all scientist know about gravity is that it is a force field around an object that attracts all objects toward it(newton's theory),and Einstein's theory stated that's it's a dent in time space continuum that pulls objects toward it. they both are the same. newton states it in 3d terms, and Einstein stated it in 2d terms, but they just tell you how it works and not why.

does anyone have a theory or oppinion on why?
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2007, 00:26:52 »

Noone really knows what gravity is. There are different theories.

This one looks very interesting. It's not solely about gravity but much wider.

The brief summary of Survival Physics by Ronald Pearson.

http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/rdp/s_rdp/summary-rdp.html

It's shown that consciousness has a potentail of being immortal.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2007, 07:11:56 »

Science explains the how. If you want to know why you should consult philsophy or religion.

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2007, 17:47:06 »

sort of like a long range strong force of a proton.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2007, 18:37:16 »

Most scientists are very afraid to admit that the gravitational field is not a material object.

How one planet knows about the existence of every other celestial object ?
At all times ?
Does this information travel at an infinite speed (instantaneous) ?
Is it telepathy or a quantum entanglement ? Or both ?

Just imagine that every molecule transmits information about its weight and position to every other molecule in the universe - imagine that each signal is passed by only one elementary amount of material energy - the universe would quickly fill with its weight times its weight and explode !  grin

So all that information can be passed only by some non material means.

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2007, 17:58:07 »

My opinion why gravity works is because space is not an empty lack of something, but something in itself, that has a structure.  Sort of (or maybe not) like the old concept of ether.  So it can be bent, spindled, and mutilated.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 16:52:31 »

Theres still so much uncovering to do, powerful telescopes and anayltical techniques are giving us ever increasing definition of all that surrounds us, the neutrino is still so elusive, a saying i put together to ease my own lack of understanding of today's anaylsis of the universe and all that acompanies it is

You cannot see it, only indirectly observe it.
Therefore a misrepresentation...but still a working function.

There was a recent image of the dark matter that makes up the universe developed by many physicists around the world by monitering all the radiation emmited by galaxys stars e.c.t and compiled into a nice image of the dark matter spread in the universe, it's an early attempt and one to be scrutinized and developed upon,i'll see if its on the internet somewhere.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2007, 00:33:33 »

I will conSider this with my conScious thoughts, but i'm always sceptical when someone says I KNOW WHAT IT IS.
You do know how to talk alot of mumble jumble well though.

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2007, 06:36:00 »

The force of 'Gravity' is actually 2 forces interacting with each other to produce the effect of attraction. Here's how it goes...

A planet causes space-time to curve based on the amount of mass it has. The more mass the more of a curvature it has on space-time.

So, why does mass cause space-time to curve or stretch? Simple, try this experiment. Get a bowl of milk and put 2 Cheerios in the milk and put them close togeather. Watch what happens. As you will see the 2 Cheerios attract each other mysteriously. The same is happening between massive objects such as planets, comets, and stars.

The curving of space itself is caused when mass creates a tension on space. And since space is energy too, and much-much-much less dense than matter, then space will spread this tension out a certain distance until the tension balances out with the rest of space-time.

This mysterious attraction is caused when the surrounding milk "film" has more density than the space between the Cheerios. Look closely at a cheerio in the milk. See how the film wraps around the cheerio itself and spreads out until it's balanced with the rest of the milk's film? This action 'Gravity' is no more than equilibrium in action.

Now since the space between the 2 Cheerios is less dense due to the strecthing caused by the tension on the 'film', the surrounding 'film' in the bowl will push the 2 Cheerios togeather because like a trampoline, space-time is always trying to balance itself out therefore giving the illusion of a mysterious force we interpret as gravity.

Are we clear so far?

With this information, we can build anti-gravity devices. If you'd like I can show a modified version of someone else's idea. The only downsides is that the device needs a lot of power and radiation concerns (Don't worry, no toxic waste will be used or produced while operating this AGD (Anti-Gravity Device)).
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2007, 18:41:28 »

The force of 'Gravity' is actually 2 forces interacting with each other to produce the effect of attraction. Here's how it goes...

A planet causes space-time to curve based on the amount of mass it has. The more mass the more of a curvature it has on space-time.

So, why does mass cause space-time to curve or stretch? Simple, try this experiment. Get a bowl of milk and put 2 Cheerios in the milk and put them close togeather. Watch what happens. As you will see the 2 Cheerios attract each other mysteriously. The same is happening between massive objects such as planets, comets, and stars.

The curving of space itself is caused when mass creates a tension on space. And since space is energy too, and much-much-much less dense than matter, then space will spread this tension out a certain distance until the tension balances out with the rest of space-time.

This mysterious attraction is caused when the surrounding milk "film" has more density than the space between the Cheerios. Look closely at a cheerio in the milk. See how the film wraps around the cheerio itself and spreads out until it's balanced with the rest of the milk's film? This action 'Gravity' is no more than equilibrium in action.

Now since the space between the 2 Cheerios is less dense due to the strecthing caused by the tension on the 'film', the surrounding 'film' in the bowl will push the 2 Cheerios togeather because like a trampoline, space-time is always trying to balance itself out therefore giving the illusion of a mysterious force we interpret as gravity.

Are we clear so far?

With this information, we can build anti-gravity devices. If you'd like I can show a modified version of someone else's idea. The only downsides is that the device needs a lot of power and radiation concerns (Don't worry, no toxic waste will be used or produced while operating this AGD (Anti-Gravity Device)).
This speaks to what I said before about space not being a form of 'nothingness' (for lack of a better term) and actually 'something', which brings me to the idea that the ancient term 'ether', although now obsolete (because of other connotations) was essentially correct.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2007, 20:46:36 »

exactly there is somehting there but it's not measurable or visible, the cheerio talk is neat but only a macro effect of gravity what it is at it's own base level is unknown.
electricity electon
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magnetism Huh??
gravity     Huh??
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 21:00:43 »

exactly there is somehting there but it's not measurable or visible, the cheerio talk is neat but only a macro effect of gravity what it is at it's own base level is unknown.
electricity electron
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gravity     gravitron (postulated)
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2007, 13:52:46 »

exactly there is somehting there but it's not measurable or visible, the cheerio talk is neat but only a macro effect of gravity what it is at it's own base level is unknown.
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No, No, No, Gravity is an incidental force. It's not a force by itself. Gravitons may exist, but there may be different types of gravity like there are different types of particles.

The Cherrio experiment is just a way to help visualize what happens when a film such as space-time wants to keep balancing itself out.  Gravity is Micro, Gravity is Macro, Gravity is everywhere else inbetween where matter distorts space and space finds ways to balance itself out by pushing objects togeather.

If you'd like I can explain how a massive object like the earth interact with much much much smaller objects like ourselves. My idea also explains why in a vacuum a bowling ball and a feather fall at the same rate of speed.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2007, 17:58:49 »

OK, I've read some ideas thrown around this (in books and elsewhere), here's my guess at what gravity is:

Instead of imagining space as "empty", and matter as "solid", try reversing the process.  Imagine space is a continuous fluid, and "matter" is a disturbance in the placid, endless ocean of space, similar to air bubbles in a soda can.

Each energy disturbance, known as an "atom",  pushes the space outwards.  But since space is already "endless", it can't get any bigger. So it attempts to "crush" this disturbance to restore the placid order.  A bigger disturbance causes a bigger reaction from the space pool.  When it gets to a certain level of supernova, it reaches a point where the mass can hold back the pressure no more, forms a black hole, and shrinks into a singularity.     

A gravity field can be seen as a spacial "repair zone" to restore/offset-to the placid state.  It diminishes the further away one gets from the object.

Every action requires a reaction, so gravity could be seen as the reaction to the action of spacial distortion.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2007, 18:09:39 »

My opinion why gravity works is because space is not an empty lack of something, but something in itself, that has a structure.  Sort of (or maybe not) like the old concept of ether.  So it can be bent, spindled, and mutilated.

Yes, gravity becomes much easier to explain when we treat space a connected object, not a lack of objects. 

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