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Author Topic: If souls are reincarnated, then why do we see dead relatives when we die??  (Read 4226 times)
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« on: September 29, 2011, 17:36:02 »

That's pretty much my question. Near-death experiencers and many APers seem to meet "those who have passed" in the other world, including some who have been dead for over 50 years. How can this be, if these souls are reincarnating (as most of us seem to believe)?

Can a soul be in both places at once??
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 17:42:23 »

That's pretty much my question. Near-death experiencers and many APers seem to meet "those who have passed" in the other world, including some who have been dead for over 50 years. How can this be, if these souls are reincarnating (as most of us seem to believe)?

Can a soul be in both places at once??

Who says you are reincarnating again immediately? That woudl not even make sense. If you read Monroe's, M. Newton's or B. Moen's books you can read that we only incarnate 'once in a while' but mainly stay in the "home zone" which E.g. Monroe called Focus 27 (iirc).
In NDEs the relatives just show up in the form they were which you know them in, as persons. They do it to reassure and comfort you.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 20:47:53 »

Why do dead relatives reject them from staying with them? If you were enjoying a wonderful life in the beyond, wouldn't you be welcoming someone you love?
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 21:52:20 »

Why do dead relatives reject them from staying with them? If you were enjoying a wonderful life in the beyond, wouldn't you be welcoming someone you love?
They would be selfish because then they did it more for their own gratification and they robbed you of your learning and growing opportunity. Souls are not that selfish ... I hope wink.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 22:18:46 »

That's pretty much my question. Near-death experiencers and many APers seem to meet "those who have passed" in the other world, including some who have been dead for over 50 years. How can this be, if these souls are reincarnating (as most of us seem to believe)?
Well, there are various theories- the simplest is that sometimes they are not your relatives but 'facilitators' that assume the form to make you more comfortable in the transition- and the other is that time is meaningless in this type of existence.  So if when you die the part of your being that depends on spacetime stops manifesting, the part that still 'is', is out of time- so 5 or 50 years, time is irrelevant- the thing is the process, which may or may not end up in reincarnation.

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Can a soul be in both places at once??
I don't see why not.  If I, as a mortal human being, can project my awareness out of my body, perceive what is happening somewhere else, and still maintain body awareness, I don't know why my soul or spirit can't occupy more than one region of spacetime, or nonlocality. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2011, 01:04:41 »

I did actually consider the whole "time is meaningless" theory [Huh] of reincarnation...
But c'mon guys, that's a cop-out. If you believe in soul development, there has to be a before, present, and after.

Let me re-phrase the question: When you die, is it possible to see loved ones who have already moved on to a new incarnation?

If so, then would it not also be possible to see "souls" who are still alive? or who haven't even been born yet?

I apologize if I haven't worded my question properly.
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2011, 14:08:16 »

I did actually consider the whole "time is meaningless" theory [Huh] of reincarnation...
But c'mon guys, that's a cop-out. If you believe in soul development, there has to be a before, present, and after.

Let me re-phrase the question: When you die, is it possible to see loved ones who have already moved on to a new incarnation?

If so, then would it not also be possible to see "souls" who are still alive? or who haven't even been born yet?

I apologize if I haven't worded my question properly.

Lizelle, I feel you might have overlooked my answer(s) that did leave out the time"all-happens-at-once"-aspect of which I am also not a too-great-fan either. Please feel free to read it again.  cool

You might find it helpful to read Michael Newton's systematic decade-long research on regression hypnotees' memories of life-between-lives, , then compare it to e.g. Monroe's or Tom Campbell's descriptions, who say that they've "been there" (... it is worth it smiley)

M. Newton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6Zxo

books: "journey of souls", "destiny of souls", "memories of the afterlife: life-between-lives stories of personal transformation" (the latter is by over 30 therapists all over the world who produce strikingly similar accounts - a highly recommended read)

T. Campbell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v39EKUT2stc
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2011, 16:56:54 »

I did actually consider the whole "time is meaningless" theory [Huh] of reincarnation...
But c'mon guys, that's a cop-out. If you believe in soul development, there has to be a before, present, and after.
I don't think 'time is meaningless' but I do think time varies with the environment- time in the physical isn't like time in the astral or spiritual- hell, time isn't even the same in space as it is in the earth.  Einstein proposed it with his theory of relativity and scientists have proven it time and again.

But the thing is, that for spirit development the before, now and after only applies to the focus you're in- and some people believe that what you are going for is integration, not movement in time.  Does this make sense to you?  In "A Bardon Companion", Rawn Clark explains this in a very clear and wonderful way, better than I could.  Would you like me to quote him?

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Let me re-phrase the question: When you die, is it possible to see loved ones who have already moved on to a new incarnation?
I don't know, but what I can report is that about three times ago my dad (who is deceased) told me he would be 'starting something new' (whatever that is) and I wouldn't see him 'that' often.  And I have only seen him twice since, and it was an almost symbolic visitation, not 'up close' like before.  I don't know what that means as an answer to our question (I have an idea on what it's about) but that's all I got.

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If so, then would it not also be possible to see "souls" who are still alive?
It is and I have.  So has almost everyone.  We call it  'seeing a projected double'  while in trance or 'dreaming of you' and then finding out they were either thinking of us or sleeping at the time.  You know how sometimes you're in trance and then see people you don't know?  That's probably what it is- people are sleep-projecting, aka dreaming.

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or who haven't even been born yet?
It's possible but less reported.  I knew my son a whole year before getting pregnant.  He visited me before being born.


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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 18:01:50 »

You might find it helpful to read Michael Newton's systematic decade-long research on regression hypnotees' memories of life-between-lives, , then compare it to e.g. Monroe's or Tom Campbell's descriptions, who say that they've "been there" (... it is worth it smiley)
M. Newton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6Zxo
books: "journey of souls", "destiny of souls", "memories of the afterlife: life-between-lives stories of personal transformation" (the latter is by over 30 therapists all over the world who produce strikingly similar accounts - a highly recommended read)

T. Campbell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v39EKUT2stc

Good suggestions.

This is such a complicated subject probably because the Truth of the matter is just not all that palatable. I second the motion on the Newton books and the T. Campbell ideas.

Start with Journey of Souls and take time to digest it.

Finish with Campbell.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2011, 00:46:30 »

CFT - that's what makes the most sense to me. I guess our higher selves live in a constant dimension and that's what we "perceive" them only as we have known them before.

I do feel compelled to apply a smidgeon of logic to some of the more esoteric theories out there, just to make sure they are not being made up. Thanks for all replies.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2012, 03:20:31 »

That's pretty much my question. Near-death experiencers and many APers seem to meet "those who have passed" in the other world, including some who have been dead for over 50 years. How can this be, if these souls are reincarnating (as most of us seem to believe)?

Can a soul be in both places at once??

This is a good topic. I subscribe to the belief that the "soul" and "spirit" are separate. The soul is above the spirit, while our spirit plays the role of our "higher self" while we maintain awareness in this physical vessel. But the "soul" is the truest unique aspect of "you". Your divinity, your essence, your core being.

When a person dies they can CHOOSE to merge there spirit back with there soul (The spirits even higher self lol) or remain as is, individual and separate for whatever reason, although that spirit shares that soul with other spirits.

The binding between your soul as an ethereal entity to your mortal body creates your spirit - your mind, your thoughts, your personality, your being. As you live your spirit leaves traces of itself everywhere, especially when any energy-engaging event occurs such as ecstasy, giving birth, serious injury, immense joy, and ultimately death.

When you die your soul is then released from its mortal bond and is poured one soul into another. When you pass away there may be 5 people who share your soul who are born, there may be 100. Of course the more your soul is poured into others the less they share your exact ethereal energy but they share you nonetheless. And sometimes you will see, for reasons unknown, families sharing soul energy and that is why descendants can remember things their ancestors did.

If a person dies as a child, there spirit will remain and maintain the form of a child. The spirit remains human and is still the gender it was in life, while the soul is genderless and non-human. The soul is the collective essence of everything you've ever been. A dinosaur, a rat, a dog, a plant, a tree, an element, perhaps an alien off world.

This is why you have 10 people claim to be Marilyn Monroe reincarnated. Are they lying? No, not necessarily because when she passed her soul could have been poured into one ethereal source or 20.

Also there is some sects of Buddhism that believe an individual can die and be reincarnated into multiple individuals, who all share the same identity/soul. The universal consciousness or whatever you call it, it's all like drops of water to an ocean.

That's my take on it anyhow.
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