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« on: August 31, 2020, 19:36:19 »

Everybody talks about spiritual ascension, but what exactly is it??
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2020, 20:44:36 »

As simple as I can put it, the process of having a higher vibrational  state of being. And I equate awareness to the highest vibration, so you can say it is also becoming more aware.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2020, 22:10:35 »

Everybody talks about spiritual ascension, but what exactly is it??
It's one of those "terms"... there's no agreed upon definition.
Find a definition which resonates with you and work towards it.

.......that is, as long as you're not harming anyone else or yourself.  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2020, 02:27:02 »

Hi, Fresco.. ( Xanth ) . .

It is true there may be many discrete definitions designed over the years.. but those designed there is consensus upon.

The most known, and perhaps used is that of the biblical reference to ascension, - which is a graduation not just of the consciousness but of the ( consciousness cells of the ) body as well, as Karxx Gxx has said "into a higher vibrational state of being". This is accompanied by what we know as the physical body elevating in frequency to the point of dematerializing from 3D physical space. The consciousness animating this body-form may also reanimate it visibly back into 3D physical space. As it is said the one known as Jesus did. I hope this helps. I, myself feel I am participating in this program.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2020, 05:48:45 »

Hi, Fresco.. ( Xanth ) . .

It is true there may be many discrete definitions designed over the years.. but those designed there is consensus upon.

The most known, and perhaps used is that of the biblical reference to ascension, - which is a graduation not just of the consciousness but of the ( consciousness cells of the ) body as well, as Karxx Gxx has said "into a higher vibrational state of being". This is accompanied by what we know as the physical body elevating in frequency to the point of dematerializing from 3D physical space. The consciousness animating this body-form may also reanimate it visibly back into 3D physical space. As it is said the one known as Jesus did. I hope this helps. I, myself feel I am participating in this program.
This has brought one big question to my mind, if I may ask you Casey.
I'm not entirely sure if you believe along the lines of the concept regarding my question... so if it's not part of "your" system, please do smack and ignore me.  Smiley  hehe

How do you reconcile the concept that this physical reality is an illusion (so meaning the physical body doesn't objectively exist) with the idea of ascension of that physical body?

For me... the idea of a physical ascension as strange (as I understand how you see it, please correct me if I'm waaay off base), because, to me, there is no "physical". 
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2020, 07:56:22 »

Hiya, Xanth!

Yes always ask away.

From the top — there is 1 ) what is, and 2 ) our experience of what is.

In my own words, just to show I am aligned with your statement up there : "Physicality itself is not real.. Consciousness is real. Experience is real. Consciousness, experiencing ITSELF is all that is ever happening. Consciousness is not physical - it is not dense, solid, hard. In truth, physicality is not either, when it is understood to be an experience - OF an idea - *called physicality. This is what I mean when I say physicality itself is not real -yet the experience you [ consciousness ] create(s OF it is very real."

So, yes, physicality itself is not real, it is an illusion, a play of the light - yet the experience OF it is very real. Is it not?

It is the realm of experience that is ever being discussed. In the realm of experience, there is an experience one may actualize called ascension.

It may also be called physical body dematerialization - teleportation - the conscious shift. All of these apply to the concept.

Make sense?

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So if I can shift my consciousness from physical space into other frequency fields,

I can also shift the consciousness cells collectively referred to as 'my body'.

Each cell IS a consciousness. - consciousness is all there is.

At no level are we fundamentally our appearance.

Do you see?

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2020, 21:54:22 »

Hmmm... that's gonna take some time for me to read, re-read and digest.  Smiley

Thanks though!
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2020, 22:52:57 »

The body - in the sense of a physicality is a hard concept to shake, but once you arrive at the awareness of it being an illusion, don't stop there ( don't throw the baby out with the bath water ) — physicality is an illusion, a persistent illusion, but not the body.. There is a real body and the real body is a body of consciousness.

Consciousness is all there is. Consciousness is all there is to create with. Consciousness composes and comprises the Cosmos,

Universes, galaxies and worlds — all occupants and representations thereof.

Astounding!!!
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2020, 22:59:35 »

Hiya, Xanth!

Yes always ask away.

From the top — there is 1 ) what is, and 2 ) our experience of what is.

In my own words, just to show I am aligned with your statement up there : "Physicality itself is not real.. Consciousness is real. Experience is real. Consciousness, experiencing ITSELF is all that is ever happening. Consciousness is not physical - it is not dense, solid, hard. In truth, physicality is not either, when it is understood to be an experience - OF an idea - *called physicality. This is what I mean when I say physicality itself is not real -yet the experience you [ consciousness ] create(s OF it is very real."

So, yes, physicality itself is not real, it is an illusion, a play of the light - yet the experience OF it is very real. Is it not?

It is the realm of experience that is ever being discussed. In the realm of experience, there is an experience one may actualize called ascension.

It may also be called physical body dematerialization - teleportation - the conscious shift. All of these apply to the concept.

Make sense?

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So if I can shift my consciousness from physical space into other frequency fields,

I can also shift the consciousness cells collectively referred to as 'my body'.

Each cell IS a consciousness. - consciousness is all there is.

At no level are we fundamentally our appearance.

Do you see?

Very well put omcasey!
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2020, 06:47:06 »

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Thank you, Bob - I am glad it traveled.

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In the event it may be helpful,

Another way of understanding this is through the schools of Vedanta, ie:

1 ( Dvaita, Dualism ) Which says : There is no liberation, physical reality is all there is
2 ( Vishishtadvaita, Qualified Non-Dualism ) : Liberation is possible - but only at the moment of death
3 ( Kevala Advaita Vedanta, Absolute Non-Dualism ) : Liberation is possible in any moment, including within the life

Ascension is akin to 3, Kevala Advaita Vedanta, liberation is possible in any moment.. Liberation is from duality, distance, difference, including the perception of there being a fundamental difference between consciousness and the body. The perception of there being a difference is why for most people liberation is experienced quite literally from the casing ( the body ) they are inhabiting *while more effectively it is from the way, or level/narrowness of perception in which it is being inhabited. But you can be liberated from this perception, the perception of there being a difference, a fundamental divide between consciousness and the body in any moment. When you are, and let me say that I have ( experiences of having ) been, it is seen. Consciousness composes and comprises the body. Consciousness is all there is. Consciousness is all there is to create with. Yes it creates 'distortions' which come in to play in the experience fields but they are - principally - all based in unity, oneness. You must distort and distort and distort the original distortion to get to the convincing illusion of, for instance, the body being a meat body.

Are any of you familiar with the Buddhist Koan?

First there is a mountain
Then there is no mountain
Then there is

I will translate, relative to our discussion here

First there is a body
Then there is no body
Then there is

When you arrive, actualize stanza three as a direct experience you are as pure being, pure presence,

And even the illusion without the distortion. - the world appearance as it truly is.

So many experiences can be had with this, as we know.

Including dematerializing and re-materializing

Elsewhere.
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