a thought about christianity.

[schockstuhh]

Ever since I've joined this site and done a lot of research, I'm no longer very religious because I'm more interested in learning from my own experiences in this world and through astral projection; however, I still attempt to piece together the truths and mysteries of religion based people and concepts such as Jesus. I was born and raised a catholic (and I've researched it's corruption), but I was thinking that maybe Jesus was just one who could communicate with a higher being, "God", who taught him PUL or wanted him to teach others these ways. So maybe the Christian God is just mistaken for one of MANY higher beings that exist in the higher levels of existance. Also, I was thinking that maybe the holy spirit in the holy trinity is simply mistook for being the ONLY holy spirit when it is actually a spirit guide of many that exist. I'm not saying I believe this nor that I do not believe this. The thought simply crossed my mind and I would like to hear opinions and comments on the matter.

[Summerlander]

I don't subscribe to anything religious. I also don't accept lower or higher as these are mere anthropological concepts deriving from the type of reality that we live in and the dimensions it entails.

My personal experience tells me that there is no God that will judge you. If you feel like you are being punished during metaphysical excursions, I can tell you with absolute certainty that you are punishing yourself and not knowing it. Once the penny drops it all goes away.

My view: The metaphysical is part of the physical in that it is a frequency beyond the ultrasonic which science is yet to detect. Another way to look at this is that the physical is the metaphysical on a grosser level. Simply put, everything is made of the same thing: energy.

[NoY]

I think there are many gods including Jah and they/we all share the same spirit
the holy spirit is simply put "that which is not you is the spirit"

each parallel universe has its own spirit and its own gods
the definition of god is that which is good like stars for instance there light gives life to all the universe

so if your good you are one of the young gods in life and the spirit is the active force against you
when you think about walking to a tree you don't automatically slam into it because there is an active force holding back your will that's the spirits job

all gods are the children of the spirit and some fancy them selves as the best one

:NoY:

[Summerlander]

all gods are the children of the spirit and some fancy them selves as the best one

LOL! You're kidding, right?

[Monk]

all gods are the children of the spirit and some fancy them selves as the best one

Analogy: association of human beings - being the children of nature while some of them feeding the idea of superiority.

Equality from origination.

Vague but valid.

[Astral316]

That line reminded me of ancient astronaut theory... monotheism = a highly evolved entity taking all the credit.

[CFTraveler]

Ever since I've joined this site and done a lot of research, I'm no longer very religious because I'm more interested in learning from my own experiences in this world and through astral projection; however, I still attempt to piece together the truths and mysteries of religion based people and concepts such as Jesus. I was born and raised a catholic (and I've researched it's corruption), but I was thinking that maybe Jesus was just one who could communicate with a higher being, "God", who taught him PUL or wanted him to teach others these ways.

Or maybe, if biblical accounts are accurate in general, he was someone who had mystical experiences and learned how to master his humanity- became aware of God in him.  Then later on his message was changed to justify the hierarchy that the church became, and we can learn from looking at what he did and how he did it can point us to mastering our own humanity.
Or something like that.
 

So maybe the Christian God is just mistaken for one of MANY higher beings that exist in the higher levels of existance.

I think the Christian God is mistaken with the God(s) of the old testament, when clearly the ideas about God Jesus appears to have had were very different than the ideas that Abraham and Moses had of God- in other words, the God of the OT was the God that the israeli tribes believed in (which was, one amongst many), but in the times of Jesus the idea of God (at least how he describes God) is a little more 'refined' as a God of Love, forgiveness and justice. 
However, I believe the modern idea of God that modern christianity has is completely different than both OT God and NT Jesus' idea of God, the idea of God that modern christians have is closer to that of Zeus, which of course is not surprising at all, when you realize that there was no New Testament until the third century AD.

Also, I was thinking that maybe the holy spirit in the holy trinity is simply mistook for being the ONLY holy spirit when it is actually a spirit guide of many that exist. I'm not saying I believe this nor that I do not believe this. The thought simply crossed my mind and I would like to hear opinions and comments on the matter.

When I went to catholic school I was taught that the Trinity were the ways that God manifested- Father (as in 'god that creates') Son (as in Human, through Christ) and Holy Spirit, as a spirit (or, God as spirit) that was sent to everyone to guide them.   When you speak about guides you are speaking of a specific entity, but they were talking about the spiritual manifestation of God in general, and not specifically as 'one' spirit or 'another'.
When I went to catechism I was taught that the belief in the trinity was a way to say that God could be a spirit, a creator and a man all in one, in a symbolic way.
Of course I do realize that what they teach catholics nowadays may be different than what they taught us, it has been a long time and I went to school in the sixties and seventies, when the focus was on social responsibility, stewardship and even evolution.   

[schockstuhh]

@Summerlander: I have read many of yours posts and I agree completely with where you state that if you feel punished, you are punishing yourself. You say that you do not subscribe to anything religious, but you take truths that you understand from Buddhism. I do not mindlessly follow any religion, and instead I take the truths from each that I find pertain to the basics of self-enlightenment to help understand and better oneself; however, I believe each religion seems to have a corresponding base of common ideas, e.g., Buddhist morals vs. The Ten Commandments, and I believe that many ancient religions spawned from good intentions, but have simply been twisted over the years. What's your opinion on the basis of each religion? Also, could you explain in more detail as to why you do not believe in "higher and lower".  Why is it that we are guided in this dimension. For example, in some near death experiences, people leave their body and are asked whether or not they are ready to die. I have come to consider that these are enlightened beings helping guide us lower level beings on a path to become enlightened (although the comments referring to a god as one who is taking credit doesn't sound very enlightened in my opinion). I don't disagree with anything said, by the way, Your opinion simply differs from many that I've read on the subject and I find it quite interesting.

@CFTraveler: Reading your post, it sounds like the modern Christian has mistaken Jesus' God as a "Zeus" type character. Perhaps Jesus' referring to God was more symbolic? What's your opinion as to who or what the true "God" was that Jesus refers to.

[The_One]

 Yeah, I try to do this to, but it gives me alot of headaches. I put up a post on Christianity, and how it was affecting my Astral experiences.

[Summerlander]

@Summerlander: I have read many of yours posts and I agree completely with where you state that if you feel punished, you are punishing yourself. You say that you do not subscribe to anything religious, but you take truths that you understand from Buddhism. I do not mindlessly follow any religion, and instead I take the truths from each that I find pertain to the basics of self-enlightenment to help understand and better oneself; however, I believe each religion seems to have a corresponding base of common ideas, e.g., Buddhist morals vs. The Ten Commandments, and I believe that many ancient religions spawned from good intentions, but have simply been twisted over the years. What's your opinion on the basis of each religion? Also, could you explain in more detail as to why you do not believe in "higher and lower".  Why is it that we are guided in this dimension. For example, in some near death experiences, people leave their body and are asked whether or not they are ready to die. I have come to consider that these are enlightened beings helping guide us lower level beings on a path to become enlightened (although the comments referring to a god as one who is taking credit doesn't sound very enlightened in my opinion). I don't disagree with anything said, by the way, Your opinion simply differs from many that I've read on the subject and I find it quite interesting.

Sure, it is understandable that you request a more thorough explanation from me on what I think about these matters. I think I'm kinda prone to taking what I want from each system of beliefs. For instance, from Buddhism I take the concept that there is only consciousness and nothing else. I'm particularly quite fond of Tibetan Buddhism as I've been reading The Tibetan Book of the Dead and a lot of it makes sense. There are also certain striking "coincidences" between scientific observations and Buddhist affirmations which intrigue me. And finally Buddhism to me is more of a philosophy rather than a religion. But even this will not ground me solely to that belief system and make me ignore other modalities. For instance, I can subscribe to some of the LaVeyan Satanist ideals!

I mainly think people should start relying less on gods or deities and more on doing the spiritual development themselves if they wish to do so. It is more about finding a balance and being happy more than anything else. I believe in treating others as you would like to be treated but I also think that assertion comes handy and what we believe to be right should be reinforced if possible.

My conclusion on religion is that it was devised in order to control the masses. What better way to control people than to exploit them through their own beliefs? I also don't believe in higher or lower in the spiritual sense because these are concepts that we can easily let go of in meditative states. Experimenting with psychedelics has also shown me that there is already an all-knowing side to us (or at least the impression that we as individuals are part of a whole).

On the note that other beings seem to help you during altered states of consciousness (be it OOBEs or NDEs): let me tell you that I have seemingly helped (voluntarily and involuntarily) other individuals during some of my projections. In fact I believe anyone can do this "helping" work. If I did help other 'lost' sentient beings and even if they saw me as a luminous being of light...does that make me a deity?

[CFTraveler]

@CFTraveler: Reading your post, it sounds like the modern Christian has mistaken Jesus' God as a "Zeus" type character. Perhaps Jesus' referring to God was more symbolic? What's your opinion as to who or what the true "God" was that Jesus refers to.

The answer has to be my opinion, and is most probably going to be long, so I need to come back to it, as my weekend is still being very busy and not over yet.

[skiax]

Hey Summerlander! Maybe you should tell us your conclusions about anthropomorphism. Give examples and such. This may further explain your personal stance.
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[Killa Rican]

With All religious dogma aside, whats the consensus here about truly 'evil' people. Like Hitler or vlad the impaler. I am not religious but it's my personal belief that I dont think that people who dont do any good in this life with get the "easy road" in the next life. It may not be 'hell'...But it has to be something.