Christian OBEs & How they work!!!

[Xanth]

Very cute. The kind of  "innocent" phrasing of an atheist. Very cute in all its adorable malice.

Well, if you believe what I believe... then yes, religion is *literally* nothing but a self deluded illusion.
You end up in the Belief System Territories, in a creation of your own beliefs... until you realize it for exactly what it's for.

You then shed those beliefs and move onto the REAL afterlife, until you're ready to do what you want.

Why do you think that there are so many religions in the world?
Why do you think that they *ALL* think they're right?  Because in some small way, they are.

~Ryan

[soli]

phasing is your religion, there are just certain people that have made religion into something it should never have been and deluded the word to the extent where its proper definition is never really used. Atheism is also a religion, it simply has different beliefs then most mainstream religions.

[Mustardseed]

I am not here to speak for or defend Christianity. However if you expect a reasonable and respectful conversation pls be upfront with your critisism, by argument or disregard. Using the kind of trick statements I called into question, just degrades the conversation. Weather Christianity is or have done the same matters not to me...speak for yourself and I will do likewise.

I have another take on the belief territories, and having been there a number of times I feel I have some experience to base my opinion on.

Can you say the same. Lets have a clean debate not this silly waste of time that often happens as a result of rude Cute remarks, only inteneded to enrage and divide

Regards Mustardseed

[Capt. Picard]

Atheism is not a religion, it is lack of belief in God, a religion can't be a lack of belief in something, it is the belief in that unprovable "something" that is a religion....,

[soli]

Let me rephrase, atheists have a religion, and it is not atheism, it simply means they do not have a religion that believes in a god. Just so we're clear, this is mostly in response to "Christian  OBE's? does that mean you're experiancing the illusion of your religion on the astral planes.

Very cute. The kind of  "innocent" phrasing of an atheist. Very cute in all its adorable malice. grin"

An atheist will still experience the beliefs of his religion, depending on what belief structure without a god he or she may have. It would actually be interesting to see in what area someone who thinks physical death is the final stage will end up if the atheist does not have a belief in any after physical life.


As far as "it is the belief in that unprovable "something" that is a religion...."  goes, we can surely go so far as to say that everything is a belief based upon the subjectively objective nature of reality if you'd like to argue, but, let me just quote myself, there are just certain people that have made religion into something it should never have been and deluded the word to the extent where its proper definition is never really used. I am atheist, I believe there is life after physical death, but I do not believe in supreme beings. I also have my own set of beliefs about the structure of consciousness, although personal. So I have a religion while being an atheist.

[Mustardseed]

Well said. Atheism, while not a religion in a traditional way, is naturaly a "belief", and it makes sense that since none of us actually "know" weather God exist or weather heaven or hell are real, what we cling to is our personal belief based on our experiences while here on earth.

My question is weather the belief system territories,as they are called, only consist of religious people. I would expect that there could also be a few atheists around, maybe not in the same pub but still...ignorance is bliss.  

Belief system terretories are in my experience peopled with souls who have become so "locked" into a certain belief, that when the pass they are simply unable to let go of the illusion, that they "KNOW' what will happen, and consequently they enter this area which acts like a kind of grid. Eventually they become aware of other aspects of "heaven" or whatever and start to ask questions. They may also meet souls who frequent these areas looking for old friends, and thus get closer to asking fundemental questions.

So thats the way I understand it. What do you think.

[soli]

Well said. Atheism, while not a religion in a traditional way, is naturaly a "belief", and it makes sense that since none of us actually "know" weather God exist or weather heaven or hell are real, what we cling to is our personal belief based on our experiences while here on earth.

My question is weather the belief system territories,as they are called, only consist of religious people. I would expect that there could also be a few atheists around, maybe not in the same pub but still...ignorance is bliss.  

Belief system terretories are in my experience peopled with souls who have become so "locked" into a certain belief, that when the pass they are simply unable to let go of the illusion, that they "KNOW' what will happen, and consequently they enter this area which acts like a kind of grid. Eventually they become aware of other aspects of "heaven" or whatever and start to ask questions. They may also meet souls who frequent these areas looking for old friends, and thus get closer to asking fundemental questions.

So thats the way I understand it. What do you think.

Everyone is religious, everyone has their own religion, and everyone has their own set of beliefs about the structure of reality. When one transitions their beliefs regardless of what they are, manifest. It is not that if you believe in god you are sent here.. or if you don't that you are sent here as though there are designated areas, it is that those who share similar beliefs end up in similar beliefs structures. As to whether they are grouped together or not, I'm uncertain how one will end up in another person's belief structure when belief structures are ever so different even among those that share the same organized religion. It may simply be that they gravitate to a belief structure that is similar to theirs after transitioning and leaving their own structure. I don't really have the experience to speak of them so much, but, I am pretty sure that everyone ends up in a belief structure and then moves into higher structures when their beliefs start aligning more with the true reality, whatever it is.  Until their beliefs start aligning and coinciding, then yes they will be locked in that belief structure because to them that is the scope of f3.

[Everlasting]

The most meaningful OBE I ever had took place in the mountains. I experienced the vast amounts of spirit Christ gave up at the cross. I saw Him weep and understood I would never be able to pay Him back for what He did on the cross.

This is what's wrong with christianity, yes this is how Satan wants you to feel. It is clever how the old serpent sets up things.

[Capt. Picard]

You have edited my post against the forum rules Mustardseed, why have you done this? That is taking advantage of a forum bug and is punishable by moderator action.

[Xanth]

EDIT:

-blah blah blah-
I said stuff that I now didn't! 

~Ryan

[Stookie]

You have edited my post against the forum rules Mustardseed, why have you done this? That is taking advantage of a forum bug and is punishable by moderator action.

He did it by accident (like many others have) and didn't change anything that was said. He contacted me about it himself earlier. It's all good. Mustardseed is a reputable member who wouldn't censor anyone here.

[Capt. Picard]

If it was an accident why did he send me a message telling me he edited my post?

[Xanth]

If it was an accident why did he send me a message telling me he edited my post?

Probably so he could make you aware of it so you wouldn't get mad. 
You didn't notice that your post wasn't changed?

~Ryan

[Naykid]

Geez, that bug really needs to be looked into.   

[Mustardseed]

Hi all
To my surprise I clicked on edit in his post and I got into the actual post. I could hardly believe it. I added a comma to see if it was for real and it was. As soon as I had done that I told him about the comma in a PM and also reported it to Stookie.

I apologize and promise that no matter how much I would like to... I will not edit him again

I hope we get the bug fixed

Regards Mustardseed

PS you KNEW I only added a comma why are you making such a fuzz about it I also told you right away man. The REAL Capt. Pichard would have understood