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« on: October 06, 2008, 03:15:36 »

Matthew 1:23

Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son and they shall call him Em-man-u-el (Immanuel) which being interpreted is God with us. 

I guess he's ticked about being mislabeld for 2000 years.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 04:03:43 »

His real name was Esu. He was a human being, a man like all others with the exception of seeing the inequality in his culture and desiring to change that with offering clearer perceptions of spirituality.

Read "Jesus the Man" for a great insight into the life and times of the man we call Jesus, and for a greater understanding of the Pesher 'method' used to provide information within parables and stories.

As for the source of your quote, like all things within the bible, it is frought with mistakes. EG: over 4,000 direct translational mistakes are known.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 13:27:08 »

Tayesin,

No Jesus real name was Yahsua or Joshia 

The great theologian C.S Lewis had this to say about Jesus, He was either who he said he was (The Divine Son of GOD) there is no middle ground,  either was the greatest liar that ever lives a mad man or worse. Or he was God incarnated (I believe that).

But if he was who he said he was it would be very prudent to listen what he had to say to humanity
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 15:28:42 »

Ah, Alan. Did Jesus actually say he was the The Divine Son of GOD, or is this more of Saul/Paul's "influences" after killing Jesus's brother for control of the fledgling movement we now call Christianity?
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 01:50:49 »

now that I read this
JOSHUA 
Gender: Masculine
Usage: English, Biblical
Pronounced: JAH-shə-wə (English), JAW-shwə (English)   [key]
From the Hebrew name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (Yehoshu'a) meaning "YAHWEH is salvation". Joshua was one of the twelve spies sent into Canaan by Moses in the Old Testament. After Moses died Joshua succeeded him as leader of the Israelites. As an English name, Joshua has been in use since the Protestant Reformation.
(((The name Jesus comes from a Greek translation of the Aramaic short form יֵשׁוּעַ (Yeshu'a), which was the real name of Jesus.)))
it doesn't seem unlikely. Like saint Nick, He could have Been Called many different things. Like Robert in Japanese is Roboto in french it is Robert(silent T) in Spanish it's Roberto. however I have been asumming that jesus ment angel but i'm glade to see i was wrong  grin
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2008, 05:19:27 »

Anyone heard of Billy Meier and the Talmud of Jmmanuel? Just thought I'd throw this in there.

http://www.tjresearch.info/contents.htm
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 18:08:36 »

Matthew 1:23

Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son and they shall call him Em-man-u-el (Immanuel) which being interpreted is God with us. 

I guess he's ticked about being mislabeld for 2000 years.
Like Matthew says, Emmanuel is a title not a name.  When Matthew the scribe writes 'behold a virgin shall be with child', he is actually quoting another older scriptural reference which is the 'prophecy' which is supposed to be actualized, and the original prophecy is not that a virgin will be with child, but that a "Young Woman" shall be with child (like someone else said, virgin is a mistranslation of almah, which means young woman). 
So Matthew was proclaiming a prophecy that was being fulfilled in Jesus' birth, according to which was understood at the time, not naming him.

Someone correctly inferred that Emmanuel is an angel name- this should be correct, as it ends in 'el', which is the short version of  Elohim, which is the plural version of God.  So the suffix (or prefix) el means 'God in', like all the other angel names (Michael, Raphael, Uriel, and Gabriel)  All these names have an aspect and are 'of God', or 'God in...'.
So you can see linguistically Emmanuel, like Messiah and Christ, is a title, not a name.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008, 18:14:28 »

One more thing just to make you ponder a little more:  The name Jesus is based on three letters (as KK pointed out) because the ancient hebrews did not use vowels in their writing.  So the distinction of Jesus vs. Joshua was made post-new testament, and practically all the OT Joshuas had this vocalization assigned to them while Jesus' vocalization was pronouncedly different on purpose. 
Originally, Jesus' name was the same as all the other Joshuas in the bible.  We call him Jesus (or Isa, depending on the religion) because of what was really a slick political decision.
Food for thought.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 01:26:27 »

Anyone heard of Billy Meier and the Talmud of Jmmanuel? Just thought I'd throw this in there.

http://www.tjresearch.info/contents.htm
I imagine Christians rebukes this. But it makes more sense then the biblical story. Esu Jmmanuel son of Gabriel the arch angel.
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