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Author Topic: Daddy or Mommy Who made God?  (Read 1961 times)
Alan McDougall
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« on: October 07, 2008, 16:10:23 »

How did God get here?

Richard Dawkins, among other atheists, thinks he has the ultimate proof that God doesn't exist. If God created a complex universe, wouldn't it take an even more complex entity to have created God? However, such logic assumes that time has always existed, rather than being merely a construct of this universe.

Maybe he asked his parents this question:

Mommy or Daddy who made god???
And getting no answer became very angry!!

I have researched the age old question that has plagued humanity and is the hardest question to answer when our children ask who made God?

My position in this post is that God exists.

Who created God? It is an age-old question that has plagued all those who like to think about the big questions.

Various religions tend to solve the problem in different ways. The LDS church (Mormonism) says that the God (Elohim) to whom we are accountable had a father god, then grew up on a planet as a man, and progressed to become a god himself.

Many other religions have claimed that gods beget other gods. Of course the problem with this idea is how did the first god get here? This problem of infinite regression invalidates such religions. Christianity, Judaism and Islam claim that God has always existed.

Is this idea even possible? Does science address such issues?

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe.

The New Testament tells us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory "before time began". (1 Corinthians 2:7)

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the "beginning of time" (2 Timothy 1:9)

 "before the beginning of time" (Titus 1:2)
To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)
God exists in timeless eternity

How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function.

However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.

God exists in multiple dimension of time

The second interpretation is that God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time's arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no end and is not restricted to any single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimension of time can travel anywhere in time and yet never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point. Either interpretation leads one to the conclusion that God has no need of having been created.

"I have experienced just this in an OOBE when I entered a dimension where everyone moved backward in relation to me" To me time was reversing to them it was advancing

Si Dios creó Todo, ¿Quién creó a Dios?


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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 16:57:55 »

Love your avatar Alan. 
I would say just to follow the convo that the ancient (or not so ancient, depends who you ask) kabalistic jews solved this 'riddle' by coming up with the idea of Ein Sof, which is unmanifest.  Since Ein Sof is unmanifest, the rules of time and space (that is, causality) don't apply.  That's why the 'clockwork' idea that most theists use is meaningless, because it is causal.  Then they took it a step further, causing God to manifest of itself, making God both immanent and transcendent at the same time.  I think this is genius.  The ancient Hindu mystics did the same thing with the ideas of Brahman and Atman.
The only people that seem to have problems with this concept are the modern western christians and possibly some muslims  (and atheists alike, which points to a socio-psychological reason, more than a religious reason, (obviously my opinion) because in their rush to make God subject to exclusivity, they have objectivized God and created causal limitations of the idea of God.
And yes, I believe in God, in a panantheistic way.
Interesting topic.
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