FUTURE SPIRITUALITY (Urantia-195:10)

[Killa Rican]

The reason The Urantia Book contradicts Caycee is because Caycee is wrong. Reincarnation is wishful thinking. What Universe Mechanism would support reincarnation? We DO have more lives, but not here and not "in the flesh" again.

Norm

So Heavenly beings supposedly used a man as a vessel to write Urantia. Edgar Cayce went into a sleep trance to have an other wordly being to speak through to him. And he never remembered a thing afterwords. Which btw his readings even surprised himself and contradicted his own traditional christian beliefs. Im not calling anyone right or wrong here. I cant take sides over a spiritual matter, because we dont have any awnsers.
 But i really dont see a reason for such a humble man to lie, he never expected a dime out of anybody all he wanted to do was help. I have a book on all his recorded readings during his lifetime and they are thus far amazing.

Either way i really dont see any reason for the man to fool anybody if he gained nothing from it. His life was actually cut short for putting so much energy into his readings because it was dangerous overusing his gift.

[Furchizedek]

That's a pretty bold statement to make.
Do you have irrefutable proof that this individual is wrong?  Or are you just basing all this off your own opinions and beliefs?

Note: I have zero idea what this book is even about.  I just love discussing. 

~Ryan

Hi Ryan,

No "irrefutable proof," of course not. But you don't have to go very far on the Internet to find Cayce's false predictions. He made a lot of them.

Anyway, I'm not saying he wasn't a nice guy, or that he was a deliberate fraud. But here's an excerpt from some site:

"According to Edgar Cayce, by late 2001 a huge chamber beneath the Sphinx, by the Great Pyramid, should have been opened. He believed that inside the chamber is a magical library, left there by Atlanteans, with information that will shock the world. In fact, we should now be living in Year Two of the Age of Aquarius, an era of peace and harmony ushered in by Jesus Christ Himself."

If that's one of his predictions, he struck out.

Regarding The Urantia Book, it's a huge religious book, about 2000 pages. It claims to be authored by agents of God's government, angels and such. It claims to be the 5th such "epochal revelation" of religious truth to our planet, which it calls "Urantia." It says that the 4th epochal revelation was the life and teachings of Jesus, the 3rd was the visit by Melchizedek, 4000 years ago, and the 2nd was the bestowal of Adam & Eve, 38,000 years ago. It covers EVERYTHING, from God, to the origin and organization of the Universe, to the evolution of, and on, our world, and on to Jesus. But it's not a Christian document. Christians are defined by the idea of Paul's that Jesus died for their sins. That's the Christian gospel. But The Urantia Book doesn't teach that and says that's not the reason Jesus came here. Amazon.com sells "The Urantia Book: Indexed Version with free Audio Book on DVD" for $13.57. That's the one to get. I've had a book since 1959, at the risk of dating myself. I love it. It's my passion.

Norm

[Furchizedek]

I liked what you had to say, and agree with most of it. Or Urantia, whoever.

However, I had a few issues with a couple of statements:

"The non-Christian world will hardly capitulate to a sect-divided Christendom."  This is divisive in itself, as if the 'correct' christians were duty-bound to 'conquer'- the tone is that the people who are aware of their christ spirit within should somehow 'take over' and direct non christians' spiritual life, and this just rings wrong for me.

It means that Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists and so on, will not convert to Christianity or come to Jesus via Christianity as long as Christianity cannot present a unified front and a united front, and a consistent religious world view. It's not about Christians conquering anyone. As it is, who of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and so on would even want to be a Christian, looking at Christianity objectively? Jesus said, "Mar 3:25  And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." Christianity, with thousands and thousands of sects is certainly a house divided, and as such does not offer much appeal to the world to bring the world to Jesus.

The whole idea of being a follower of Jesus, or to follow what we think Jesus taught, is to direct oneself inwards, to discover that divine spark, that unites all of us, christian and nonchristian alike and to develop our relationship to it, using Jesus' life and stories as a template and guide, not to 'convince' or 'convert' others to discover what is already there.

That's really pretty well said, imo. Here is what The Urantia Book says, similarly:

196:1.3 To “follow Jesus” means to personally share his religious faith and to enter into the spirit of the Master’s life of unselfish service for man. One of the most important things in human living is to find out what Jesus believed, to discover his ideals, and to strive for the achievement of his exalted life purpose. Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it.

Part IV of The Urantia Book is "The Life and Teachings of Jesus." If you want to know the true story of Jesus, start reading at Paper 121 and read to the end. Here is a link to the text: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/

"the invisible brotherhood of the kingdom may well include these family groups of various social and temperamental classes if they are only willing to become truly spirit-led sons God."  This also gives me pause- perhaps it is the word 'led' that makes me nervous.  I know how I interpret scripture, and what I believe the message of Jesus to be, and I mostly believe that my faith is led by the spirit of God- but that doesn't mean I have the right to decide whether someoene else truly is 'led' by Spirit.  Especially if I could be wrong.

I don't think it says anyone has to decide whether anyone else is "spirit-led." It's saying that to be in the brotherhood of the kingdom of God, groups must be "spirit-led sons [of] God." (Are you hand typing the text?) I would also submit that "spirit-led" is more of a composite term in the way it's written, than it would be if it was two words, the dash ties them together in a way that carries a subtly different meaning. (IMO)

Take care.

Norm.

[Xanth]

Hi Ryan,

No "irrefutable proof," of course not. But you don't have to go very far on the Internet to find Cayce's false predictions. He made a lot of them.

Well, I don't know too much about him personally... but, he apparently also made a lot of predictions that came true.
Are you simply ignoring those because they ruin your assumption?

~Ryan

[Furchizedek]

Well, I don't know too much about him personally... but, he apparently also made a lot of predictions that came true.
Are you simply ignoring those because they ruin your assumption?

~Ryan

Which predictions did he make that came true?

Norm.

[Xanth]

As I said, I don't know too much about the man other than a few tidbits from here and there.

Without doing any research, I recall a reading he did where he predicted the New York Terrorist attacks on the Trade Center Towers.
Also, something recently I was watching recounted how he predicted that a find would happen in 1968 or 69 regarding Atlantis... in 68 they found the Bimini road which people believe is a road constructed.

But alas... all of this is how people interpret what he said.
Either way, I won't argue for or against Edgar Cayce... I thought I'd play devil's advocate for a second.

I do encourage everyone to do research on it though.

~Ryan

[personalreality]

You all have big misconceptions about psychics.

Predicting the future is not really something they do.

They may offer probable outcomes but nothing is firm.

I would be more suspect if everything he ever said was right.

[Xanth]

You all have big misconceptions about psychics.

Predicting the future is not really something they do.

They may offer probable outcomes but nothing is firm.

I would be more suspect if everything he ever said was right.

Agreed. 

~Ryan

[personalreality]

\o/

[Stillwater]

\o/

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"Praise the heavens!", or "Woe is me! Mine soccer ball hath befallen into a pit!" ?

[Furchizedek]

As I said, I don't know too much about the man other than a few tidbits from here and there.

Without doing any research, I recall a reading he did where he predicted the New York Terrorist attacks on the Trade Center Towers.
~Ryan

Ryan, no offense (LOL), but you gotta do better than that!

Norm

[personalreality]

\o/ = Yay, ryan agreed with me.

[Xanth]

Ryan, no offense (LOL), but you gotta do better than that!

Norm

I'm lazy, what can I say.  
If I cared more about the subject, I would probably put more effort into it!

Basically though, what PR said summed it up nicely.
Based upon that and my limited knowledge of the man, I don't think Cayce was a fraud.

~Ryan

[CFTraveler]

\0/
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"Praise the heavens!", or "Woe is me! Mine soccer ball hath befallen into a pit!" ?

 I may steal that someday.

[personalreality]

We don't have soccer balls in america.