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« on: March 15, 2012, 23:44:51 » |
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I have followed this website for quite a while and finally decided to register  My intent of this thread is not to force my beliefs upon anyone, but just to have some opinions  I'd like to know what you think of Quran recitation as almost all of you here are spiritual. Here's a sample of a verse from Quran called Verse of Light being recited: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaf2bPpXdJAAnother chapter being recited here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zbp-rpJKvEDo you feel relaxed, stressed, or thoughtful hearing it? I believe (and I strongly do) that the Quran is the only text that could create this majestic, spiritual, melodious feeling without the aid of music, just by a human's voice. Please no hateful replies. I'm looking for an educated conversation  Thanks
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ZiggyMike
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 02:25:44 » |
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Indeed I have, its almost like it carries you away on a journey I guess, that's if you allow it though. It soothing and realaxing and awe inspiring.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 16:37:20 » |
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I believe (and I strongly do) that the Quran is the only text that could create this majestic, spiritual, melodious feeling without the aid of music, just by a human's voice.
I agree that it can be beautiful, but I wouldn't go as far and say "the only text" that it can happen with. There are no absolutes when it comes to man's creativity and everyone has a different opinion on what is beautiful and what they find relaxing or thoughtful. Whatever uplifts you, use it.
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Verisica
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 18:40:13 » |
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Thanks for your replies  Stookie: I agree issues like these are sometimes subjective, but you will find almost all Arabs who understand Arabic approve of the unique beautifulness of Quran recitation. In fact, it was narrated that when the Quran was first revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the unbelievers made sure their followers did not listen to it being recited lest their hearts would be affected and believe it is God's words. At that time Arabic poetry was at its peak, yet no one was able to produce anything similar to it. God even challenges people to write anything like it when he says in 2:23 [And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant (Prophet Muhammad), then produce a Sura (which means a chapter) like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true]. Unbelievers even called Prophet Muhammad a magician, a sorcerer, and a madman when they listened to it, all because they didn't want to admit it was from God. I just wanted to comment on your statement when you said "There are no absolutes when it comes to man's creativity.." You may be right, but we have yet to find someone who could write a whole book of guidance using a language in its finest poetic style that permits the reader to recite it without music yet energize the heart with spirituality and relaxation
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Rudolph
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 18:41:56 » |
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Do you feel relaxed, stressed, or thoughtful hearing it? I believe (and I strongly do) that the Quran is the only text that could create this majestic, spiritual, melodious feeling without the aid of music, just by a human's voice. Whaa?? Are you kidding? I mean... that was nice and all, but... I agree with Stookie. I much prefer Christian polyphony, Sequentia, etc. for sheer beauty to peaceful serenity... I think it beats every other form of inspirational and majestic spiritual sound, hands down. No other form comes close. From this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSHUwpTezK0and this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Sj3blczB8&feature=relatedto this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE <-- must see! And this has a similar sound to your piece, only much better; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HswNka-jXU8&feature=relatedBut to me, the most beautiful, most sublime choral voice sound ever is without doubt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6s71MicgY&feature=related(breathtaking) Of course it started by building on the beautiful foundation of Hebrew chant, with the Christian sound gaining a Greek & Roman overlay and the Muslim tradition built on those; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_gFK3mHyc&feature=relatedHere is an old Greek chant sung in what is termed the "Old Roman" style dated to about 100 years before Mohammed was born. It was popular all over the Mediterranean and the Islamic Quranic recitations clearly build on this style and method. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDJtBh3LGJg&feature=related
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 21:23:48 » |
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This one is from Christian folk artist and he really always gives me the ultimate goosebumps whenever I listen to him, especially this (master)piece of music, called 'Consecration', check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrA4f_9yq0U Usually, of spiritual music (including recitations), I also love some of the (renovated, "neo") Pagan/Medieval and also some of the Christian medieval stuff. It should be based on folk or medieval though, and it always lifts me up. Folk is (for me) the 'real' Soul Music. I also listen to Arabic-influenced folk tunes (called "World music" in Europe). I love the harmonies and instrumentation, but I do not know always if the lyrics are about spiritual things though. Ok, guys, just another one, I am sure this won't be everyones cup of tea, but since it's spiritual too, here's 'Prayer' by Huun Hur Tu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuqiOMdoP2c
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2012, 01:28:41 » |
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Whatever floats your boat use it, after all, we are in the situations and religions we are to better understand ourselves and the divine. I still believe anyone can make beautiful awe inspiring music as long as the person is attuned to the right "waves" Whatever floats your boat use it.... One man's meat.....
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Rudolph
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2012, 17:34:55 » |
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Whatever floats your boat use it, after all, we are in the situations and religions we are to better understand ourselves and the divine. I still believe anyone can make beautiful awe inspiring music as long as the person is attuned to the right "waves" Whatever floats your boat use it.... One man's meat..... Some music floats the boat better than others in a semi-universal fashion. When I read posts about problems with negs and dark, sinister environments while OBE, nightmares, etc. I wonder what sort of music they listen to. What TV do they watch, or movies. People focus their Awareness on the Darkside and stuff their consciousness with negativity and then they wonder why they have bad dreams and dark OBEs. About a year ago there was a discussion on negs and such and someone said "everyone has nightmares". Not true.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2012, 20:49:54 » |
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Quite right, the kind of emotions you exude shows the kind of emotions you receive, like they say, garbage in garbage out, in the astral, I don't ever have problems negs or darkness. Once I was walking down an alley and noticed a neg I guess trying to attack me from behind, I just turned to t and said, you know you can't handle what will be the outcome when do that and walked away, it sulked and walked away. I guess what you expect from something becomes a reality. Especially in the astral! Can't wait for 5d!
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2012, 17:49:49 » |
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Quite right, the kind of emotions you exude shows the kind of emotions you receive, like they say, garbage in garbage out, in the astral, I don't ever have problems negs or darkness. Heh, "exude", what a great word. My outer studies do color the entire inner realms that I explore to a large degree. When I was with a Rosicrucian group - during one exercise I came upon a creature straight out of the The Goetia: The Lesser Key of Solomon the King -- only different (it wasn't in there).
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2012, 19:47:13 » |
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This thread helped me find some amazing music. Thanks guys.
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Rudolph
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 03:59:32 » |
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Please no hateful replies. I'm looking for an educated conversation  So... does the conversation so far seem educated enough for you ? Verisica?... or what? I think it is a great topic you started here. But you have not replied.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 19:05:37 » |
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So... does the conversation so far seem educated enough for you ? Verisica?... or what? I think it is a great topic you started here. But you have not replied.
I'm sorry I was very busy due to midterm exams, but now I finally got my vacation. Thank you all for your replies, I really appreciate them. Now Rudolph I may be wrong about the Quran being the only text that could be recited melodiously, but I have noticed that almost all the videos you posted were sung by a chorus, aided by music, or a woman repeating four syllables (similar to mantra). Just to be fair comparing anything with the Quran, I would like to hear a man reciting something alone, without a chorus or music (I hope I don't sound overly restrictive, but that's how the Quran goes), and see how that feels Thanks 
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Rudolph
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 22:03:58 » |
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Oh good, glad you're back.  but I have noticed that almost all the videos you posted were sung by a chorus, aided by music... NOT true!!! I think, on the contrary, nearly all of the examples I linked to were without musical accompaniment. Voice only. ?? In the case of the food court flashmob Halleluiah Chorus the organ was barely audible 90% of the time and is really superfluous (it could be left out completely with zero loss in the sound and inspiration). The 4 syllable mantra was the Hebrew chant? that I gave merely as an example of the historical base that these ancient sounds grew from. My point was in showing that the Christian Polyphonia is the hands down winner in voice only inspirational recitation. The first example was plain chant, voice only and had no musical accompaniment. (type "plain chant" in the search at Youtube and get tons more like it) The second example was voice only had no musical accompaniment The third was the Halleluiah Chorus with barely audible organ most of the time. The fourth example of Old Roman chant was voice only. The fifth example, Misereri Mei Deus was voice only(as well as the single most beautiful and sublime music ever sung by humans;) The sixth and last example was Greek chant in Old Roman style and was voice only{whoa! - I just noticed your bolded requirements... "man" only, single voice only... hmmm odd restrictions but okay... I have to think about that. Culturally that will be rare in the Western styles since they are more inclusive by nature... I do not think I can even search "male voice only" and expect the search engine to have a clue about what it is that I am after}
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2012, 23:06:24 » |
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Just to be fair comparing anything with the Quran, I would like to hear a man reciting something alone, without a chorus or music (I hope I don't sound overly restrictive, but that's how the Quran goes), and see how that feels I'm not Catholic so not sure about this but I think this is usually part of traditional Catholic Mass. I came across this video in a quick search which has some Latin recitation. After flicking through it I found a part that starts around 12:50. The language is supposed to be Latin but the Man reciting seems to be French so it sounds... wrong. 
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