Jesus turned water into wine... so who drank it?

[PottyParrot]

Was it real wine... could it be drank?

Was it good wine?

I personally DOUBT it... I think Jesus may have turned water a red colour (merely looking like wine..) just for the sake creating a fascinating illusion... but it probably wasn't drinkable wine... it would have been tipped away..

Anyone know any more about this..?

[ether2]

i personally dont believe any writings scripts gospels of anyone from around that era, before and after him...

when one learns how the worlds systems run ya soon learn that all sorts of various beliefs thoughts processes can and do geberate energy that had to be produced in order to help run the worlds systems that require energy, i dont believe noth'n of the like of any of them...

however i believe should one look into all of them (religions) gospels/scripts/writings and "at this time frame" you would see a pattern of common sense to go by...

good luck

love all

[personalreality]

really?

*sigh*

at least don't post this kind of mess in the wrong subforum, put it in the religious section where it belongs.

[Stillwater]

Anyone know any more about this..?

The story is usually called by another name too, the "Marriage at Cana". Clearly anything anyone could know about it is in the gospel verses that describe it:

John 2: 1-11

1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”
   4 “Woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”

 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

 6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.

 7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

 8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

   They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

 11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

I don't know that this story is ever mentioned again any other place in Bible. Like many gospel stroies, I think it only occurs in one of the 4 gospels, in this case John.

[Volgerle]

"The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Iacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Only Begotten Son" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.
As with Jesus, December 25th and January 6th are both traditional birth dates in the Dionysian myth and simply represent the period of the winter solstice. Indeed, the winter-solstice date of the Greek sun and wine god Dionysus was originally recognized in early January but was eventually placed on December 25th, as related by ancient Latin writer Macrobius (c. 400 AD/CE). Regardless, the effect is the same: The winter sun god is born around this time, when the shortest day of the year begins to become longer.
According to the most common tradition, Dionysus was the son of the god Zeus and the mortal woman Semele. In the Cretan version of the same story, which the pre-Christian Greek historian Diodorus Siculus follows, Dionysus was the son of Zeus and Persephone, the daughter of Demeter also called Kore, who is styled a "virgin goddess.
The miracles of Dionysus are legendary, as is his role as the god of wine, echoed in the later Christian story of Jesus multiplying the jars of wine at the wedding feast of Cana (Jn 2:1-9)."
- D.M. Murdoch

"This story is really the Christian counterpart to the pagan legends of Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, who at his annual festival in his temple of Elis filled three empty kettles with wine-no water needed! And on the fifth of January wine instead of water gushed from his temple at Andros. If we believe Jesus' miracle, why should we not believe Dionysus's? "
- Dr. A.J. Mattill

bottom line:

Dionysus > Jesus

cuz he did not even need water ...

 

[DH]

PottyParrot,

If you just take the story at face value, yes, it was real wine and top shelf at that!  Jewish weddings at that time were full of wine and celebration.  When the groom ran out of wine it would have been a great embarrassment and social mistake.  That's why Mary gets on her son's  case to do something about it.  After the water is transformed, the master of the banquet is impressed because most folks put out the best wine first, then when everyone was drunk, they'd substitute the MD 20 20 -- the cheap stuff.  But thanks to Jesus this guy has saved the best for last. 

In John's gospel, this is the first of seven "signs" Jesus performs.  There are only 7 signs or miracles mentioned in the whole Gospel.  Unlike the other gospel writers, John is a mystic.  In Hebrew numerology, 7 is a Hebrew number for perfection or completion, such as the 7 days of creation in Genesis 1.  John uses 7 signs which lead to 7 teaching sections and 7 I AM sayings (I am the Bread of life, etc.).  After the resurrection of Jesus, 7 disciples see him on the shore while they are fishing.

John's Gospel is intended to be metaphorical unlike Matthew, Mark and Luke.  BTW, the more wine you drink the more interesting the metaphorical interpretations get! 

[PottyParrot]

I guess I should have put this in the religions section I guess..but:

What I'm really wondering is, what is or isn't possible with Astral dynamics?

[Summerlander]

Jesus wept.

[Volgerle]

what is or isn't possible with Astral dynamics?

a lot, because it's a brilliant book, 

(ps: next to Buhlman's books, it's by far among the best regarding AP)

[astralp]

Well first you have to understand that Jesus never existed.  Jesus is a metaphor for the sun.  The SUN of GOD.  NO one owns the sun, hence the reason they call it Gods Sun or the SUN of GOD.  

Now when you look at it from that perspective, yes Jesus, the sun, did turn water into wine.  It is a very old teaching, one that has been edited and translated wrong for the past 2000 years.  

The sun, evaporates water.  The water then rains on the grape vines.  The grapes then ferment into wine.  So, you have Jesus the SUN, turning water into wine.  

That is also where you get the word devine from.  Why is god devine?  It comes from the vine.  

and yes, dionysus=jesus.  The story of Jesus is a compilation of all the God men who were metaphors for the SUN.  Dionysus being only one of them. 

That is also why Jesus has 12 disciples.  12 disciples = 12 signs of the zodiac. 

[Summerlander]

Yep, Jesus didn't exist.

[DH]

Look guys, we get it.  You don't believe in Jesus.  That's fine,  but why can't you find another topic in which you can post something positive about what you do believe in, rather than beat down people who sincerely ask questions relevant to where they are in their spiritual journeys?

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Well first you have to understand that Jesus never existed.  Jesus is a metaphor for the sun.  The SUN of GOD.  NO one owns the sun, hence the reason they call it Gods Sun or the SUN of GOD. 

Now when you look at it from that perspective, yes Jesus, the sun, did turn water into wine.  It is a very old teaching, one that has been edited and translated wrong for the past 2000 years. 

The sun, evaporates water.  The water then rains on the grape vines.  The grapes then ferment into wine.  So, you have Jesus the SUN, turning water into wine. 

That is also where you get the word devine from.  Why is god devine?  It comes from the vine. 

and yes, dionysus=jesus.  The story of Jesus is a compilation of all the God men who were metaphors for the SUN.  Dionysus being only one of them.

That is also why Jesus has 12 disciples.  12 disciples = 12 signs of the zodiac. 

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Yep, Jesus didn't exist.

[Summerlander]

Couldn't what we posted be regarded as positive in that it opens up people's minds to other possibilities in regards to Jesus?

[DH]

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Couldn't what we posted be regarded as positive in that it opens up people's minds to other possibilities in regards to Jesus?

Sure it can.  These forums are about sharing different ideas.  But it's the manner in which they're shared that is also important.  Let's face it -- none of us knows it all.  A little humility is needed sometimes.  We may believe something strongly, but that doesn't mean we're always right.  Forums are only helpful to honest seekers when they feel respected and taken seriously.  If we feel a need to continuously put down others' beliefs, it's probably time to move to another topic -- and also to ask  ourselves:  Why do I have this need to diss someone and slam their belief?  What does that say about me? 

[Stillwater]

Word.