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« on: December 18, 2004, 16:36:39 »

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2004, 19:20:15 »

Right... so were they born to separate virgin Marys of Bethlehem? Quite the coincidence there... *chuckles*
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2004, 20:50:18 »

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Right... so were they born to separate virgin Marys of Bethlehem? Quite the coincidence there... *chuckles*


Wrong....*sigh*..... Sad  I assume you saw the title of the post and immidiately replied?

Did you even read it, carefully? rolleyes   Did you check the link out which gave much more detailed info?

One was not from this planet, although life-forms not from this planet are considered "aliens", "extra-terrestrials", call them what you may...the one who performed miracles, taught the immortality of consciousness, etc. was also a Human.  But from a very advanced, HIGHLY intelligent planet.  And ofourse it's probably hard to believe, or accept...but please all I ask is that you check the page out , read it again, and read the FREE books they have.  They have a lot to say and are not making a profit off of what they "claim" to be true...one is an exact witness report of the reality and purpose of the universe.  Please consider for once flying away from the flock you so often stick with, and think for yourself, question what you're doing....
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2004, 21:11:41 »

Nope, I read the whole thing, but didn't click on the links.

So, if they are separate, I take it that the Japanese Jesus was born to Mary, and then at some point in the bible he switched places with Outer Space Alien Jesus who then did all the stuff while Japanese Jesus was going east?
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2004, 22:18:19 »

Since reading all three of the Conversations With God books, I feel a lot more comfortable with the explanations offered in them, especially in light of certain historical studies that have looked into the initial formation of the Roman Catholic (christian) religion.

These studies put forward the theory that Emperor Constantine more or less assemled what we know as the Bible today. He saw an up and coming spiritual following and decided pretty much to back what he thought was a winner. But in order to do so, he (or more to the point, his wife and those scholars he employed) made a few subtle, and not so subtle modification to the beliefs of these early followers of the teachings of Jesus.

One of the not so subtle changes was to deify Jesus - turn someone who was essentially born a man, in the same way that any other person is born - as a result of two parents having sex - and spin a story about the "immaculate conception". This meant that once this concept was properly embedded in the teachings, people would not willingly argue against the validity of a God figure.

Conversations With God goes on to put forward the idea that although Jesus was born a normal human, he was indeed a Master - a person of such high spiritual awareness that he completely understood his connection with God, and so was able to teach as he did from a position of "knowing", and perform manu miracles, again from a position of knowing that each of us have within us the full compliment of creative powers of God.

This is whay he said "these things and more shal you do". He knew that once humans had grasped fully the concepts he was teaching, we too would KNOW that we have the power to create as God does, and changin water into wine or walking across water will seem like small parlour tricks compared to what is possible with such knowing.

Jesus was but one of the masters that has been on this earth - higher evolved souls that have incarnated on earth. Such masters include Moses, Lord Krishna, Buddha, Sai Baba, and more.

I find that when you have a number of conflicting theories about an event, that sometimes its useful to apply Occam's Razor, which simply stated is that where there are a number of possible explanations, the simplest is often the most likely.

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2004, 18:59:51 »

Anyone is free to believe whatever they want about Jesus, the virgin birth, the "orthodox" teachings of "traditional" Christianity. But, I really get tired of the same old disinformation being perpetuated about what the supposedly "true" church believed before it was "suppressed," etc.

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One of the not so subtle changes was to deify Jesus - turn someone who was essentially born a man, in the same way that any other person is born - as a result of two parents having sex - and spin a story about the "immaculate conception".


First, you mis-state the doctrine of the "immaculate conception" as pertaining to the virginal birth of Jesus. The Doctrine of the Immaculate Conception defines the state of Mary, the mother of Jesus, at HER conception, namely, that Mary, by a particular grace of God, "was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."

Believe what you wish about it, but at least know what you are refering to.

Second, the diety of Jesus Christ and his virginal conception and birth were a common part of Christian belief and teaching long before Constantine.

Here are just a few references from original source material from the period of approximately 100 - 200 AD:

The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus
Chapter VII.—The manifestation of Christ


For, as I said, this was no mere earthly invention which was delivered to them, nor is it a mere human system of opinion, which they judge it right to preserve so carefully, nor has a dispensation of mere human mysteries been committed to them, but truly God Himself, who is almighty, the Creator of all things, and invisible, has sent from heaven, and placed among men, [Him who is] the truth, and the holy and incomprehensible Word, and has firmly established Him in their hearts. He did not, as one might have imagined, send to men any servant, or angel, or ruler, or any one of those who bear sway over earthly things, or one of those to whom the government of things in the heavens has been entrusted, but the very Creator and Fashioner of all things—by whom He made the heavens—by whom he enclosed the sea within its proper bounds—whose  mysteries all the elements faithfully observe—from whom the sun has received the measure of his daily course to be observed — whom the moon obeys, being commanded to shine in the night, and whom the stars also obey, following the moon in her course; by whom all things have been arranged, and placed within their proper limits, and to whom all are subject—the heavens and the things that are therein, the earth and the things that are therein, the sea and the things that are therein—fire, air, and the abyss—the things which are in the heights, the things which are in the depths, and the things which lie between. This [messenger] He sent to them. Was it then, as one of men might conceive, for the purpose of exercising tyranny, or of inspiring fear and terror? By no means, but under the influence of clemency and meekness. As a king sends his son, who is also a king, so sent He Him; as God He sent Him; as to men He sent Him; as a Saviour He sent Him, and as seeking to persuade, not to compel us; for violence has no place in the character of God. As calling us He sent Him, not as vengefully pursuing us; as loving us He sent Him, not as judging us.


The Epistle of Ignatius to the Antiochians
Chapter V.—Denunciation of false teachers.


Whosoever, therefore, declares that there is but one God, only so as to take away the divinity of Christ, is a devil, and an enemy of all righteousness. He also that confesseth Christ, yet not as the Son of the Maker of the world, but of some other unknown being, different from Him whom the law and the prophets have proclaimed, this man is an instrument of the devil. And he that rejects the incarnation, and is ashamed of the cross for which I am in bonds, this man is antichrist. Moreover, he who affirms Christ to be a mere man is accursed, according to the [declaration of the] prophet, since he puts not his trust in God, but in man


The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians
Chapter XI.—I write these things to warn you.


These things [I address to you], my beloved, not that I know any of you to be in such a state; but, as less than any of you, I desire to guard you beforehand, that ye fall not upon the hooks of vain doctrine, but that you may rather attain to a full assurance in Christ, who was begotten by the Father before all ages, but was afterwards born of the Virgin Mary without any intercourse with man.


The First Apology of Justin Martyr
Chapter XXXIII.—Manner of Christ’s birth predicted.

And hear again how Isaiah in express words foretold that He should be born of a virgin; for he spoke thus: “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bring forth a son, and they shall say for His name, ‘God with us.’ ” For things which were incredible and seemed impossible with men, these God predicted by the Spirit of prophecy as about to come to pass, in order that, when they came to pass, there might be no unbelief, but faith, because of their prediction. But lest some, not understanding the prophecy now cited, should charge us with the very things we have been laying to the charge of the poets who say that Jupiter went in to women through lust, let us try to explain the words. This, then, “Behold, a virgin shall conceive,” signifies that a virgin should conceive without intercourse. For if she had had intercourse with any one whatever, she was no longer a virgin; but the power of God having come upon the virgin, overshadowed her, and caused her while yet a virgin to conceive. And the angel of God who was sent to the same virgin at that time brought her good news, saying, “Behold, thou shalt conceive of the Holy Ghost, and shalt bear a Son, and He shall be called the Son of the Highest, and thou shalt call His name Jesus; for He shall save His people from their sins,”—as they who have recorded all that concerns our Saviour Jesus Christ have taught, whom we believed, since by Isaiah also, whom we have now adduced, the Spirit of prophecy declared that He should be born as we intimated before. It is wrong, therefore, to understand the Spirit and the power of God as anything else than the Word, who is also the first-born of God, as the foresaid prophet Moses declared; and it was this which, when it came upon the virgin and overshadowed her, caused her to conceive, not by intercourse, but by power. And the name Jesus in the Hebrew language means Σωτήρ (Saviour) in the Greek tongue. Wherefore, too, the angel said to the virgin, “Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.” And that the prophets are inspired by no other than the Divine Word, even you, as I fancy, will grant.

Irenæus Against Heresies
Chapter X.—Unity of the faith of the Church throughout the whole world
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1. The Church, though dispersed through our the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: [She believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His [future] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father “to gather all things in one,”  and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, “every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess” to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send “spiritual wickednesses,” and  the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2004, 18:25:20 »

I thought that I had read somehwere that the "Christ" entity that incarnated here was a 4D ET at the time he incarnated here and is presently in one of the higher octaves of 5D going onto 6. The purpose of incarnation here was to teach love.

Then there are others who have different beliefs...I thought the Muslims believed that Christ did not die on the cross but that someone had died in his place and that Christ escaped to the East (I thought I heard Japan). There is a village in Japan claiming to be the town where Christ settled and that He is buried there. (My apologies to my Muslim brothers and sisters if I am in error, I await to be corrected if necessary).
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2004, 20:03:41 »

I read the book "Thiaoouba Prophecy", and found it pretty interesting. I can't say that I necessarily believe or disbelieve it, but it was a fun ride. OMG, those giant, radioactive cockroaches freaked me out!! I was squirming in my seat.
Everyone who hasn't read it yet should do so. Even if you don't take it as truth, it gives you A LOT to think about.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2004, 22:48:07 »

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I thought that I had read somehwere that the "Christ" entity that incarnated here was a 4D ET at the time he incarnated here and is presently in one of the higher octaves of 5D going onto 6. The purpose of incarnation here was to teach love.

Then there are others who have different beliefs...I thought the Muslims believed that Christ did not die on the cross but that someone had died in his place and that Christ escaped to the East (I thought I heard Japan). There is a village in Japan claiming to be the town where Christ settled and that He is buried there. (My apologies to my Muslim brothers and sisters if I am in error, I await to be corrected if necessary).


Yes, I don't know about the 4d ET, 5d, 6 thing though.  Explain what you mean and where you got that please.

The link I have above has more info about what you said, on him going to the east(Japan indeed).

As for the purpose of the one who did die on the cross.  I think it was more than love, but also to teach immortality of the consciousness(spelling?), and other things too.

Nostic, I suggest you also read The Freedom of Choice.  Which can also be found on the same site with Thiaoouba's Prophecy.  I think you should even read Thiaoouba again, I have gone my second time (I am only half-way through) and I realized a lot that I previously overlooked and missed.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2004, 22:59:12 »

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again from a position of knowing that each of us have within us the full compliment of creative powers of God.

This is whay he said "these things and more shal you do". He knew that once humans had grasped fully the concepts he was teaching, we too would KNOW that we have the power to create as God does, and changin water into wine or walking across water will seem like small parlour tricks compared to what is possible with such knowing.

Jesus was but one of the masters that has been on this earth - higher evolved souls that have incarnated on earth. Such masters include Moses, Lord Krishna, Buddha, Sai Baba, and more.

I find that when you have a number of conflicting theories about an event, that sometimes its useful to apply Occam's Razor, which simply stated is that where there are a number of possible explanations, the simplest is often the most likely.

Regards,
James.


Yes we all do have a spark of the High Intellect.  Not so sure about a full compliment of it though.  But, we definately have something most are un-aware of.  As for changing liquids, walking on water, etc.  That takes a LOT of knowledge, knowledge we've barely even begun to grasp.  So many changes would be needed, especially for our so called "civilization".

I think once we've developed on to or some where around 9, we will be able to do so...but that will take a long time, and I don't know if the race on Earth will live that long, since there are going to be some HUGE distasters coming up due to a lot of pollution and problems flowing around.

There really aren't that many "masters" on earth, perhaps buddha and moses.  Some of the rest you listed might not be as "masterful" as you think, or atleast not in the extent that you think, the only true master died 2,000 years ago and wasn't even born on this earth.

You could also follow your OWN theory instead of looking to others for truth, because usually YOURS is the best, and you wouldn't have to depend on others who could possibly be trying to control or take advantage of you somewhat...
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2004, 02:55:58 »

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You could also follow your OWN theory instead of looking to others for truth, because usually YOURS is the best, and you wouldn't have to depend on others who could possibly be trying to control or take advantage of you somewhat...


Those are definitely TRUE words of wisdom Zachariah! Well said!

Teachings of others give us the guidelines. How and what we learn is best left up to ourselves.

Kind regards,
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2005, 20:17:56 »

I seen a show on the Discovery channel that said Jesus was born from Mary and all that and at around the age 14 was when he disappeared. They then said that during the "lost years" he traveled east and studied with buddhist monks and hindu priests and that Jesus in included in holy writings for both of these religions. But, it then said AFTER this he returned to Israel or whereever and did all the miracles and died on the cross. This is what I believe, but everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I just think it is far fetched saying that there is 2 Jesus Christ's.
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2005, 20:43:00 »

Explain the huge beard and long hair he always seems to have in all the pictures then. I'm pretty sure monks shave their heads. Did Jesus ever eat meat? The only thing I remember him eating is bread... he needs his protein for massive Jesus muscles.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2005, 20:46:51 »

the lost years were for at least 10 years or so I think though, perhaps he didnt stay with the monks for the whole time, or perhaps he just wasn't an actual monk, maybe he just trained with them for a while, I dont really know, I was just putting what I thought seemed logical. I guess the 10 years might hav gaven him time to grow his hair back lol!
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2005, 08:47:23 »

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I seen a show on the Discovery channel that said Jesus was born from Mary and all that and at around the age 14 was when he disappeared. They then said that during the "lost years" he traveled east and studied with buddhist monks and hindu priests and that Jesus in included in holy writings for both of these religions. But, it then said AFTER this he returned to Israel or whereever and did all the miracles and died on the cross. This is what I believe, but everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I just think it is far fetched saying that there is 2 Jesus Christ's.


Ahh but that site has PROOF of it.  The reason why there WAS more than one jesus, as I have said before is, one was born to Mary (as many know) actually did NOT die on the cross and had a brother. But it was to attract attention and bring about a great notice and to spread from generations(obviously it did but the story is so peverted, distorted, and changed from ear to ear by mis-interpretation and such) while, the other who performed miracles and died on the cross was NOT of this planet.  But rather from a very HIGHLY developed planet called Thiaoouba.  Note that: in very old usually unlike modern bibles unedited ones, you can find the word Yehova or something similar to that.  Which is the pronunciation for Thiaoouba, their inhabitants aloso human, wanted to be referred to as Thiaoouba or are referred to as Thiaooubans.  There is SO Much more in the FREE E-book(not trying to advertise but to inform and help)"Thiaoouba's Prophecy" which was meant to enlighten the inhabitants on Earth....US!  

It seems like you didn't read the whole post or check it out, although it is "far-fetched" you could atleast check it out....

You are entitled to your own opinion, but please question or think twice about your opinion.  When walking along a path, is it not ideal to question where you're going?  Is it not logical to ask if you're even taking the right path?
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2005, 21:28:00 »

Thiaoouba? *chuckles* Eh well... it's as credible as the rest of the bible so sure...

Where did you get the spelling of it though, if in the bible it's only said as Yehova or Jehova? What of Yahweh?
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2005, 00:21:23 »

Dosen't Yahova, Jahova whatever, the name of God? So wouldn't that mean Jesus came from God? I did read the full article, I still think it is a bit far fetched with other planets and stuff. I still don't see how there is PROOF of it. Another thing is that the Bible does not say when or how or IF Jesus died after he came back to life 3 days after the crucification. So maybe after that he decided to return to Japan where he previousily studied Buddhism, and live out the rest of his days somewhere where nobody knew him very well and he could live a quiet and peaceful life. This is just a guess. I would like to see dates from that Book that would contradict this with 'proof' if there are any.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2005, 06:26:08 »

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Thiaoouba? *chuckles* Eh well... it's as credible as the rest of the bible so sure...

Where did you get the spelling of it though, if in the bible it's only said as Yehova or Jehova? What of Yahweh?


Thiaoouba is the English representation of the word in which "T" is silent and "b" is a sound between "B" and "V". Hebrew people pronounce Thiaoouba "Hyehouva". Interestingly, this is the most frequently encountered word in the Bible, because it is the name Moses used to refer to "God" when he wrote the first 5 chapters of the Bible in Hebrew @3250 years ago....

Note that is a name WE gave "god".  Do you really think "god" would refer to itself as a name only ONE out of the infinite number of planets gave it?  Do you really think "god" would even give itself a name?
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2005, 06:35:29 »

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Dosen't Yahova, Jahova whatever, the name of God? So wouldn't that mean Jesus came from God? I did read the full article, I still think it is a bit far fetched with other planets and stuff. I still don't see how there is PROOF of it. Another thing is that the Bible does not say when or how or IF Jesus died after he came back to life 3 days after the crucification. So maybe after that he decided to return to Japan where he previousily studied Buddhism, and live out the rest of his days somewhere where nobody knew him very well and he could live a quiet and peaceful life. This is just a guess. I would like to see dates from that Book that would contradict this with 'proof' if there are any.


That doesn't neccesarily mean Jesus came from god. What's wrong with other planets, and "stuff"?  Although our so called "proffesional" scientists will often deny the existence of life on other planets, that most definately DOES NOT mean that there truly is no life on other planets.  One thing that they don't deny is the existence of there being any planets...so I assume you're talking about ET's(or aliens call them what you like).  Tell me, what is so 'far-fetched' about there being life on other planets?  Do we not have other life-forms here on earth besides humans?  What would be so different about there being life on other planets?  They exist as much as we do, as much as a dog, a cat, reptiles, as insects, as much as any other creature here would exist.

And trust me, there is ALOT the bible does not say.  As it once used to...here could be only ONE example of why , if you've ever played the phone game one person starts a message, it gets passed on from ear to ear, eventually the message gets so distorted(depends on the people usually)that by the time it gets to the end it's not even the same message anymore.  Sometimes though, it will be some-what similar to what it started, but most often it gets distorted/mis-interpreted.  Ok so this is more of a 'hearing thing' I'm just trying to say that it happened in the same way basically. But besides that, the info it used to contain would contradict certain religions that wanted to be built, so ofcourse, it had to be edited to fit their beliefs and to suit and satisfy the attractions of anticipated followers.

If you'd like to see dates from the book, with 'proof', why not take the time to read it, as you do the bible?  Proof isn't always right you know, it doesn't always "prove" anything...but anyhow, if you'd like to read the book I have it, and can send it to you for free.  The site still does it, it's just for some odd reason it's not available to read with an online search engine anymore, and he wants a reason why you can't afford it, then he emails it to you.
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2005, 07:27:21 »

How do you know the Theooba or whatever isnt missing things? Oh ya, I forgot the guy who wrote it went to another planet and got the info, I'm sure. This book isn't backed up with facts, just like the holy bible isn't either. It is all in what you believe in. I also think the Holy Bible is far-fetched and I do believe there may be life on other planets, I just don't get how they decided Jesus came from a different planet. Tell me something about the book that gives proof that when they talk about Theoba, they are actually talking about a "planet".
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2005, 19:51:33 »

If you would actually read the book, like I have said before.  Then what I'm trying to explain wouldn't be so hard to understand.... rolleyes .

They didn't "decide" he came from another planet.  The ones(the Thiaooubans, aka extraterrestrials, aka aliens) who took this charactar(his name was michel), who actually was a farmer and didn't know much, were the ones who told him that a highly developed being from their planet (Thiaoouba) was chosen to teach people on earth Love, Spirituality, and much more.  But this didn't happen until the Jesus(aka Joshua) born to Mary left to the East before reaching his teen-age or about around that age.  They then had to make the one, who took this special mission(remember the highly intelligent one), look just like Jesus would.

Now I may be some-what off since I haven't re-read that part.  So that's another reason I suggest you read it.  The whole book gives you "proof" that it's on another planet, even those who usually miss text right in-front-of their eyes can't miss it.   Judging by how you re-act to these posts, you may find alot of this book "Thiaoouba's Prophecy" far-fetched.  But a lot of what they have to say makes so much sense.  It fills in a lot of gaps our historians left out, or made up.  It's up to you to believe this book, and what I have had to say.  I'm not forcing you to, nor is anyone else.  And I'm most definately not trying to thought-control people with a religion or money here.

If you decide you should challenge your intellect, and are curious to what you DON'T know, the book can be found on the site in my sig below.  If you want I can even email it to you.  Either way it comes for free, but the site has other books for self-healing, seeing auras, a Freedom of Choice book(also free and another very interesting not so-farfetched nice-read).  I think if you want a warm up for the Thiaoouba book, you should first read "The Freedom of Choice".  It talks about topics such as how the Great Intellect(god, lord, etc.) came to be.  Why we are here, and much more.
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2005, 22:07:05 »

If you made the word as a representation, why on earth would you put a stupid silent T at the start of it? To make a cross?

This is very off-rocker.
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2005, 20:53:39 »

Rofl....wow... rolleyes ...just wow.....well....anyway I, for one, am very tired of trying to explain something peolple constantly refuse to believe, or even put a small amount of effort into trying to understand.  I don't want to force people either.

I feel like one of those people from long ago, who tried to prove something, but was thought cazy and such.  Until years later people finally realized or eventually found the so-desired-proof that refers what he/she was trying to say so long ago.  

Not that believing me will do much anyway.  I was hoping some of you would realize or atleast question what you don't know.  And how much bogus crap the churches or religions, are  probably filling you with...but who am I to say this?

Atleast some of you here actually replied, I'm sure most others just decided to ignore me....either it was too much for them...they thought I was trying to get attention....which in a way I was(those 2 free books), but for a good reason.....or they just didn't want to waste their time...I don't blame them....I just don't see why they choose to waste their precious time with more important things, but hey it's their choice.

Watch out for which flock you choose to follow though, depending on their leader's intentions, the flock could most often be decieved.  Perhaps, go your own ways?
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