The Neverending Thread (was SATAN DECEIVES YOU)

[Allanon]

quote:If nothing else Al, you make for some great entertainment. Do you have any idea the true origins of your beliefs? The egyptians, sumerians, and aryans of the indus all shared similar beliefs due to a common root. These egyptian beliefs were then recycled by Moses (Blavatsky states that the hebrew language itself is nothing but egyptian writing phallicized) and turned into the main Hebrew religion after the exile. It is that as well as the mixing of Hebrew with chaldean beliefs which forms the basis of the Judaism that Jesus was born into, and the religion founded in his name is a combination of that, his teachings, and the popular greek/pagan beliefs of the time. Jump on the logic train and you'll realize that your beliefs are really just those of the ancient Hindus recycled, corrupted, and distorted by exotericism.

You fail to realize that SATAN was present at the time when God discussed the creation of man.

If you were SATAN and were to fool the masses you would want a COUNTERFEIT way to discredit the authenticity of the Gospel and Christ's message. You would create many, many paths that all seem to be the same below the surface. Come on your smarter than that are you not? Do you think the Devil would be that obvious?

The sumerian, indian, etc cultures were DEMONICALLY INFLUENCED CULTURES USED BY THE DEVIL IN ORDER TO DECEIVE THE ELECT. THEY WERE USED TO PROMOTE FALSE IDEAS AND LOOK THE "SAME" AS CHRISTIANITY. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING THAT JESUS CHRIST EMPOWERS ONLY ONE CHURCH AND PEOPLE AND THAT IS THE CHOSEN OF GOD.

You can beleive what you want but just remember that snakes are crafty and intelligent but in the end they will bite you!!!

[Makaveli]

Allanon

You give satan too much credit if he even exists why in the world would God give him the power to do all of this?  You keep on stating your own narrow beleifs as fact while ignoring questions and points from others which takes away the point of a debate with this "I'm right and your wrong attitude". You have nothing to support any of these claims and fanactical bible thumping not even the bible backs up these views.  You don't only lack evidence of all this you lack a remotely good argument to support what you are saying unless if you can come up with some.

Please stop unless if you can come up with evidence or if your ready to actually debate with some valid arguments instead of just posting your opinion as fact.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

yes, because it is pretty annoying...

Please take some vaccations, you could go to travel for example...

...why not to visit a satanic cultured country ? []

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:The sumerian, indian, etc cultures were DEMONICALLY INFLUENCED CULTURES USED BY THE DEVIL IN ORDER TO DECEIVE THE ELECT.

I'll never again take another thing Allanon says seriously. Sumeria is God as far as I'm concerned. They were lucky people. [8D]

[LA FORET MAUVE]

Allanon is not serious, he just needs go visit a good psychiatrist...
I will ignore his posts for now, i have enough of this and he made me loose enough of my time...
Bye bye satanic preacher []

[Tenacious]

wow, what strong words.  I respect opions very much, but I must say that OBE is not a work of "satan".  Furhtermore, why do you bother converting others to your beliefs?  I am christian, yes of course.  I believe in Jesus and God, and the holy spirit, spirit being our AP selfs...  Please hear me out, don't bash my thoughts because you were taught to.  Respect my opions and statements, and i will respect yours.

Peace-

-Tenacious[]

[curiousgirl]

[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]allanon, this debate (which is spreading through several topics already!) is getting exceedingly pointless.  there is no point in arguing with you if you only see and hear what you want to see and hear.  if you cannot give some other support for your claims beyond thumping your bible, then you best JUST LEAVE US ALONE ALREADY!!!!  you obviously won't even consider or think about anything we say with any kind of effort, and like i said, we're all a stubborn lot with that serious problem of thinking for ourselves. so if you want to feel good about yourself and reach some conversion quota you've set for yourself, you should just go somewhere where everyone's a lot more malleable.  talk to us when you are ready to give us a good debate, with good, logical thinking.  here you are just kicking around (according to you) a bunch of dead corpses[xx(] that will never reach heaven.  let us rot in our beloved hell... we're happy here.  you know why?  because we're all demonspawn... we're satan's servants in disguise as human beings.  heck, how do you know we're even humans?  we could just be electronic fictional personalities that satan is creating to spread his evil teachings![:O][][)][][][}:)][}:)][}:)]  mwahahahaha[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][8D]

[LA FORET MAUVE]

quote:Originally posted by curiousgirl
[brwe're satan's servants in disguise as human beings.  [:O][][)][][][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]  mwahahahaha[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][8D]

shhhhtt ! It was a secret ! [}:)]

Satanicely your

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[Tenacious]

Why must I HAVE to go to hell? Its too hot there![]

[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]

Thats a nice touch []

ps:i think satan gave me heartburn[]

[Man Of Jade]

*Stretches his arms and gets to work*
Allanon, isn't it true that Astral Projection happens in the bible?
2nd Corinthians 12:1 thru 4
God caused this to happen to Paul himself... So wouldn't this be of god?

[curiousgirl]

that's it, man of jade! [8D]  perhaps that's what we need... some arguments from the bible itself... he's obviously not going to listen to any kind of other reasoning... if it's the bible he wants, then so be it, eh?  the bible's the only thing he'll listen to.  unfortunately, i won't be able to contribute anything to that kind of debate. [:I]

[Makaveli]

Here is some more from the bible relating to ap.

"Then the spirit lifted me up and I heard behind me the noise of the Lord rumbling as the glory of the Lord rose from its place." - Ezekiel 3:12

The rumbling noise is a very common exit sensation with projections.

"Remember him, before the silver cord is severed ... and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." (Eccl. 12:6-7)2

The silver cord is considered by some to be what connects your astral body.

Acts 10:10-11 -- He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.

Projectors leave their bodies from a trance like this guy did in the bible.  

Corinthians 12:2-4 -- I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows. And I know that this man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows-- was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

Also here is biblical support for NDEs.  
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen02.html

[Allanon]

It is True that the Bible has AP experiences. But the reasons for these experiences coincide with the Truth that is found in Christ. If you look further especially in the case of Paul you will see that the purpose of these visions was to validate the Truth of the Gospel and of the power of God. Here on the board most AP without any knowledge of the power of what they are getting into or that the Devil has a say in things as well. If you do not belong to Christ you belong to Satan. When you AP you are in danger of attack from evil spirits. I invite you to read the following passage as it partains to the supremacy of Christ.

 

quote:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[6] your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation-- 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Obtain your salvation from the cross and then worry about walking in "dreamland".

[PeacefulWarrior]

Tisha, thank you SO much for your input in this forum.  You have said what is in my heart.

To quote you:
"Ye shall be known by your fruits. The effective christian evangelist, the one who truly GETS Jesus, has a loving glow that can be felt even across the Internet. He/she is kind, does the right thing, and gives loving advice in a loving way. People think, "I want to be peaceful and loving and happy and right with God, how did he/she get that way?" And then they ask questions, and the evangelist responds with his/her story. This is how it's done."

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE!  I hope I come off like this, truly.  I mean, I am a Christian but I sincerely hold no judgement for anyone and I realize...well, I realize the TRUTH and it has "set me free."
You also wrote:
"The rest of you . . . Jesus is alive and well and happy to let you get to Know him if that's what you want. You don't need to be threatened into conversion, in order to Know This. Therefore, I suggest everyone treat online religious threats the way you'd react to any street-corner evangelist . . . give him a wide berth, and keep on walking."

I think you have done more to help others understand the truth of Christ here than our poor friend Allanon.  I think he means well, and I agree with his fundemental message, but it's his delivery[].

Anyway, I am going to try to avoid this thread for it's somewhat heartbreaking to me to read what Allanon says and some of the horrible, blasphemous things people are saying about my best friend, Christ.

Daniel

[Allanon]

quote:See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[1] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

I suppose my next question is this?

How does AP ing save your soul?