The Neverending Thread (was SATAN DECEIVES YOU)

[Adrian]

Greetings Allanon,

I have to advise you that unless you can support your position with evidence and reasoned discussion, I will lock this thread, and no similar thread started by you will be allowed.

You are pursuing this line of intransigent preaching in multiple forums, and we have all been very patient. But no more please.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[beavis]

"support your position with evidence"

Dont forget that the bible is dogma, not evidence.

[Tao]

Don`t lower yourself Adrian to his level and block him or something.. becuase he eventually has to get bored because if he continue like this he will be ignored by mostly all the folks here...

But deleting posts and threads is something which suits mysticwebB not our forum..

He is just happy to see how much replies he got i think.. and will still try in my opinion to get some more.. but i say we should ignore him if he doesn`t begin to make some sense here.. and use logic in his posts..

Mike

[PeacefulWarrior]

James and Adrian:
Thank you for your kind and intelligent words.  ...and thanks for the clarification Adrian.  I understand exactly what you mean.

Well, I think I've spent about as much time in this thread as I can bear...[xx(]  

-Dan

[Traveler]

Like I said 6 pages ago, Allanon, You're being judgemental.

I recently finished a two year study of the bible. I accept it as the word of God. We found many inconsistancies in translation of words which could affect interpretation. Also I'm convinced there is information that has been left out by those wanting to serve their own purpose. To say that the above did not happen is to say the holocaust didn't happen. There are too many crossreferences between many of the books to say that the book has no merit. The bible is not an easy book to understand, people spend their whole life trying. To dismiss it as fiction, to me, is ludicrous. No one even mentioned the most obvious (to me) example of OBE/AP was John's vision of Christ's revelation in the book of Revelation. He was truly having an astral experience. Does God not want us to AP? He gave us free will, we could do it for bad if we choose or we can use it for good (loving, helping and taking care of others).
Remember the ten commandments in everything you do.

[rodentmouse]

maybe allanon  is  doing all this delberatly  to see how our "new age thinking"  responds to  ignorance and arrogance.

   When  we  get angry and argue with allanon,   we  show  that  our  beleif systems havent  taught  us  to  control  our anger,  or  tolerate those  we think  have  the wrong idea.

but if  he is genuine then i suppose  this  entire thread would be a test,  to  see how  new age thinking  deals with old age thinking.  I for one  beleive that the  kind of knowledge on this board and the general ethos of honesty, truth, growth etc.. is  going to erupt into the world soon.    allanon  embodies  what new age  thinking  will be up against.    



 some  of  the responses to allanon have been bitter and  counter productive,   and some of them have challenged him to think.
the former  isnt  what  new-age  thinking  should be.

and allanon,   you say all other religions are  from the devil...

if  a  jew  grows  up  to be a good, caring, honest, loving, loyal, decent, helpful member of society,  why should he go to hell?

if  god punishes  people for not being  xian,  then  why would anyone want to worship a god like that?

and  what  do  you mean  when  you say  "accept jesus" and the like, to me it doesnt make sense,  how does one accept jesus?

[goingslow]

People are answering as individuals with individual beliefs.  Not representing any new age style of thinking.  I think the thread is fine and each person responds the way they chose to..

New age isnt a doctrine or a proper way of behaving.  Christianity is more based on that.. even though its more relaxed on some things.  Like judging everyone one else.. or acting a certain way whether you really believe it or not. Or show it when the priest isnt looking.

[Allanon]

Allright maybe I will answer this couple of questions because they really got my itch goin again. I will be gentler this time.

 

quote:if a jew grows up to be a good, caring, honest, loving, loyal, decent, helpful member of society, why should he go to hell?

Because he has failed to fulfill the whole Law. Jesus is the only One that fulfilled the whole Law.

 

quote:and what do you mean when you say "accept jesus" and the like, to me it doesnt make sense, how does one accept jesus?

You accept Jesus by HAVING FAITH IN JESUS AND HIS FINISHED WORK.

God is prefect and to be in His presence completely you have to fulfill the Law of God. As most here are New Agers there is that drive you adhere to which says "I will find God in my path, in my way, in my time". You see we can never find God fully again. Not from the way of the world that is. We are lost souls. Look to the mirror and tell me that you deserve to have the rewards of the Saints. None of us do and only by Jesus coming and fulfilling the Law through Grace are we allowed to finally have the peace and rest that we all want in life.

ONLY GOD CAN REPAY GOD.

[shadowatcher]

pmlonline: Are you really on first name terms with Mr. Bruce?

[Nita]

Hello Everyone
Allanon is a name in the states for an organization that saves drug addicts and helps their families by using Christianity. It is a lot like Alchoholics Anonymus in that way.
They want to believe that Christ saved them and are people that believe in every word of the bible even though the different translations prove how much it has been changed. Try reading a Greek Orthodox bible it is a lot different than the King James version for example.
Now that said people who go through these things believe that everyone else has made terrible mistakes just like they have made. They go around trying to make up for their mistakes by shoving their beliefs down everyones throats. I have seen one tell my Mother she is not Christian when she is a deacon in a Presbyterian church.
I agree with Adrian everyone has been patient with you Allanon. Please go and reform the people around where you live and who you grew up with in your life. They are the ones who made you what you are and they are the ones who should be hearing these speeches.
You do not know what others believe or care about and should quit harassing them. Every person on this earth learns their own lessons and goes on their own Path. You have chosen your Path don't drive everyone else away from it by your preaching.
   Nita

[WalkingThePath]

Hello everyone

"You were made in the image and likeness of God"

We don't create God so us He can meet OUR needs. Just because we are revengeful and want to punish doesn't mean God is so.
God is supposed to be infinately loving and compassionate, how can he condemn anyone for anything?
I don't think God sits on a golden throne and goes around judging people. I do not believe God even expects from us anything! God has free will, he is a Creator, and because we were made "in the image and likeness of God" we have free will too and that's just what that is.
Why would God give us free will, and then punish us for anything? It's like saying you can do what you want but if you don't do what I want you will burn in Hell! This is just, wrong! God loves and accepts people because they Are, for that is unconditional love. If God has not unconditional love then noone does!

I am a born Christian, and i love and admire Jesus for what he REALLY was and did.  I am not really religious, and i never truly was, but for the first time i feel closer to God and that makes me happy. If this is wrong then so be it.


Malvina

[Allanon]

quote:Hello Everyone
Allanon is a name in the states for an organization that saves drug addicts and helps their families by using Christianity. It is a lot like Alchoholics Anonymus in that way.
They want to believe that Christ saved them and are people that believe in every word of the bible even though the different translations prove how much it has been changed. Try reading a Greek Orthodox bible it is a lot different than the King James version for example.
Now that said people who go through these things believe that everyone else has made terrible mistakes just like they have made. They go around trying to make up for their mistakes by shoving their beliefs down everyones throats. I have seen one tell my Mother she is not Christian when she is a deacon in a Presbyterian church.
I agree with Adrian everyone has been patient with you Allanon. Please go and reform the people around where you live and who you grew up with in your life. They are the ones who made you what you are and they are the ones who should be hearing these speeches.
You do not know what others believe or care about and should quit harassing them. Every person on this earth learns their own lessons and goes on their own Path. You have chosen your Path don't drive everyone else away from it by your preaching.
Nita

I did not know that. It sounds like a GREAT organization though.

[Allanon]

Jesus Is Coming

7 Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.
8
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
9 But he said to me, Do not do it! I am a fellow- servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!
10 Then he told me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near.
11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.
12
Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
15 Outside are the dogs, those who practise magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practises falsehood.
16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.
17
The Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let him who hears say, Come! Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20 He who testifies to these things says, Yes, I am coming soon. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

[cainam_nazier]

quote:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.

Interesting you would use this line.  I was wondering how long it would take for you to supply us with the ammo.  Listen to the words you put down and leave us to our own devices and stop trying to save us.  If we had not already chosen our path, chosen that which we will be judged on, then maybe you would have a chance to save us.  Then again we also would not be here consorting with people of like mind.

Most of us are here to learn.  And nobody here, infact I argue that nobody on Earth, truely knows what is going to happen to them after they die.  I personally don't think about it anymore.  I no longer care.  I say this because no matter how much I search or question for that answer I will never be able to truely tell what is going to happen.  There is not a single person on the face of the Earth, not even you, that can tell me with out a doubt what my final fate will be.  Even if I was to follow "your book" to the letter there would be no garentee.  After all, even though the book was "inspired" by God it was written by a man, and only God knows my judgement.  

I find it funny how easily you pass judgement on to us, placing yours above that of God's.  You have no idea who we are, you do not know us at all.  You only know a few words written by a name, but you do not know the person behind the name.  So how can you be so vien in thinking that you are totally and 100% correct about the people you are judging?

I said it in another thread but I will say it here also.  It is not your place to judge us.  That my friend is God's job.  If we are to be judged and sentanced so forcably, then it will be God's doing.  And to, if we are to be saved then God will show us the way.  I know that you will respond with, "But God has shown you the way, and its in this book...blah, blah, blah."   But no, if God had shown me the way I would not be having this discussion with you.  What I mean is that God would have made it more apparrent that I needed to change, some thing more obvious.

However given previous corispondance I believe that this will fall on deaf ears and you will not understand the basics of what I mean.  But I am compelled to respond anyhow.

[Allanon]

quote:nobody here, infact I argue that nobody on Earth, truely knows what is going to happen to them after they die.

Look to God and His Word for the answer you seek.