The Neverending Thread (was SATAN DECEIVES YOU)

[Allanon]

I think I must narrow the scope of this topic down a little.....

AP is fine by me under one condition. That condition being that you accpet Jesus the Christ as your personal messiah first before you attepmt to project.

Whether you are aware of it or not most of the thoughts that come to you from projecting are as a result of spiritual influeces that are usually bad ones.

These false spirits make you beleive that when you die you are not really gong to be dead!!!! That is just what they want you to think. They do not want you to inherit eternal life from the Son.

You can fight it all you want but I know that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ON THIS BOARD FEELS THE TRUTH THAT IS CHRIST.

Let me know of any spirit that can dare stand up face to face to the One True God that created them all.

[Tab]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Let me know of any spirit that can dare stand up face to face to the One True God that created them all.

Oh, hello anthropomorphism.

[clandestino]

I agree entirely with Soulfire's views on projections / dreams etc. And with Robert Bruce's points about the terminology we use...sometimes it upsets people who are devout.

Allanon, you said :

quote:These false spirits make you beleive that when you die you are not really gong to be dead!!!! That is just what they want you to think. They do not want you to inherit eternal life from the Son.

We should bear in mind here that christianity has far more points in common with other religions than points of difference.
i.e. All religions believe death is not the end....All religions believe in a divine creator.

As such, the differences between religions are often semantic. Perhaps the differences between astral projection, and associated belief systems/ philosophies are not too far removed from religions / christianity ? i believe they have a lot in common, yet we continue to focus on the differences.

Allanon, do you think there is any common ground between christianity and astral projection ?.

regards
Mark

[Traveler]

I only have a few words on this. I'm a Christian and attend a good size Church of the Nazarene. I believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I believe that all things are possible with God. Christianity teaches this but has trouble accepting the "ALL" part. Why is it so hard? Christianity and the Bible, I believe, were tainted, from the time the Romans made Christianity the state religion and also through medieval times as kings dictated the translation of books and scrolls. Martin Luther disregarded the book of Revelation altogether (I was raised Lutheran). God gave man free will so why is it so hard to accept that man, for ulterior motives, altered the word. Man has disobeyed God since Adam and Eve. We are also taught to glorify God in all we do. I'm not justifying anything here but if our heart is right and we use these experiences and skills for good and to his glory then I believe there is nothing wrong here. It's when we have the "Love" of money, or career, or AP, or sports where it becomes more important than God, that it becomes a tool of the devil. We are eternal beings, that is in the bible.

Allanon,
I see a lot of judgement in your post. FWIW, Love as Jesus did.

[Tao]

And also i have this question.. that i never understood when reding the Holy Bible:
Ii writes in the Holy Bible that God can see everything and know everything.. But there is somewhere where God is speaking: "Adam where are you.. Why are you hiding ?"
Why is that ? That is after Adam and Eve ate that apple..

[Allanon]

quote: Christianity and the Bible, I believe, were tainted, from the time the Romans made Christianity the state religion and also through medieval times as kings dictated the translation of books and scrolls.

Are there any Christians on this board with any faith whatsoever? Not to be judgemental but if there is a perfect God like Christianity supports than whatever is in the Bible is TRUE AND INCORUPTABLE. The message that needs to be conveyed to man is there even if the curruptable Holy Roman Empire was the tool that translated the Bible into its current form.

As far as Astral Projection is concerned I beleive that you must look at the fruits of what is being done. If you are being led to beleive that you will live forever without the blood of Chrsit than it is a FALSE SPIRIT that is influencing you. But if you are projecting around and have the Holy Spirit guiding you than there is less of a problem there. Leaving your body without supernatural interference like what happens to those in the Bible is like trying to walk on water without the help of God. YOU ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF ANY MIRACLE AND LEAVING YOUR BODY IS JUST THAT.

When you die you are dead. Period. Any NDE or astral projection that says otherwise is the fruit of Lucifer. In order to inherit eternal life you must be aligned with Jesus Christ. He is the only One with the power to conquer death.

[Nerezza]

Are there any Christians on this board with any faith whatsoever?  


To defend Christianity on this board is not a matter of faith, but patience, while to share it is an exercise in insanity. Im afraid im out of patience and my sanity is already suspect.

[Makaveli]

Allanon

How exactly does Christ outlaw astral projecting and where are you getting this information?  What you need to realise is what you are trying to force on everyone is just your own personal beleifs and beliefs don't shape reality.  I certainly beleive in Chirst but not Christianity anymore because of all the ignorance like this.  Even though I believe in Christ I don't think he is the only way because if that were true there is no telling how many people would be in hell compared to heaven and that is not a characteristic of a loving God.  About the bible I don't reject it but I don't think it's the infalible word of God because of all the contradictions and odd things in there.  Shouldn't Christians also believe they will live forever after they die if they believe in eternal life?

This page here realates to this because it deals with NDEs being satanic and it answers the typical religious arguments against it so I suggest everyone check it out.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen01.html

 

[travelinbob]

Allanon:

Your intolarance is what book burning is all about. You fear of other people's ideas and you blame anything that does not fit into your little dogmatic box of believes on the mytholgy of the devil. Your intolarance is the type that made women with traditional knowldge of herbs and medicines burn at the stake, at the urging of the medical establishment of the 16th century. You are no better than radicals like Osama bin Laden. You take a good book with very vague teachings and which has been politicaly manipulated by the former Roman empire (i.e. the Vatican in the 4th century) into its present state, and claim its The word of God??? And how do you know this? You don't. You just have faith and a few self-fulfilling prophecies (a war in the middle east? duh!!).  

So the validty of your believes is equal to the believes of a native in the amazon.

What next Allanon? Burn a few non-christian place of worship?? Bomb a few abortion clinics? Dance with poisonous snakes? Another Inquisition? More witchhunting? Read your History. Thats one thing about you radicals: you only read what your pastor or priest approves. Expand your Mind. Don't let others give you YOUR opinion.

And by the way, meditation IS a form of prayer. Why do you fear it?

[LA FORET MAUVE]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Let me know of any spirit that can dare stand up face to face to the One True God that created them all.

Oh i know one...you. How can you say that you KNOW ? (not very humble in my opinion)
Who are you to say that you know that all in the Bible is true ?
Can you answer honestly to this question:
Did you REALLY (i mean really) met Jesus in person ? Or God ?
Don't you think that it is time to start thinking by yourself and try to go beyond what some people pretended to have heard from others people and written in a book ? Did you ever been in another dimension, met a spirit or having a near death experience ? Do you think we all must waiting stupidly until we are dead to discover the truth beyond death ? What do you propose then ? To pray ? And after ? Is this an efficient technique to realise the totality of yourself ? Did God gave you this wonderful body to waste it, staying eyes closed and totally closed to the infinity of the universe ?
I have been a Christian too, did all the sacraments (except the last one [])...so i know what is in the Bible, i know what are the teachings, i even been in a monastery for some time !!!
I don't condamn the religion (even if i am "vaccinated" for it know) but i condamn your attitude wich will not help you to meet God at all believe me. Start experiencing, leave your books ! The Bible became the new golden idol, take care []
Again sorry for my english.
PS: there are other spirits than Christ, and if you think there are not as powerful and don't exist...you're going to have a monumental surprise one of these days

[PeacefulWarrior]

I consider myself a 'true Christian' but I don't consider the Bible infallible.  In fact I am sure it has been changed many times by accident as well as on purpose.  Many simple and precious truths have been lost because of deceitful men.

Besides, most people don't realize that the Bible (La Bibbia) is a collection of books, that's what the word Bible means= BOOKS.  It wasn't put together by Christ or even any of the Apostles or anything, it was put together much later by the Catholic church and others.  

I read the Bible and follow it's teachings, but more importantly are the living waters, the direct revelation and ongoing religous expereince to have had through prayer, meditation and living one's life in a way that allow you to recieve truth at any time and in every moment.

[Adrian]

Greetings Allanon,

Whilst we most certainly respect your right to believe in anything you will, evangelising on these forums will get you nowhere at all.

Please support your claims and positions with facts and experience.

I would like to followup on an excellent point made by Robert:

quote:
Btw, are you aware that there is absolutely 'no' historical proof to support 'anything' written in the new testament? The only thing that supports biblical history is the bible itself. This is fact that can be ascertained through historical records and university religious studies. The earliest historical evidence of christianity and the bible are a few late-third century 'fingernail sized' fragments that historians consider could 'possibly' be fragments of a very early version of the bible.

All of christianity is based around the words contained in the bible, which is, in and of itself, extremely suspect. What fragments have been found were translated and retranslated, interpreted and reinterpreted by the various factions of the church, all with view to creating a religion to control the masses. To that end they succeeded to a certain extent, notwithstanding the extreme genocide and bloodshed that seems to have followed religion throughout the centuries, and the "commandment" "thou shalt not kill".

If the bible was presented as evidence of the happenings of 2000 years ago, then it would be rejected outright as hearsay.

Please feel free to contribute your views, but when you make remarks like:

quote:
All this projection and letting go of your mind just allows the Devil to get a stranglehold on your soul.

There is no other Way out of this.

You may think that you will "live forever" after you die but that is exactly what Satan's first lie was. If you want eternal life and happiness with God you must accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour and turn to the Word of God. The Bible is absolutely true no matter what "evidence" Satan puts on the table.

Please support it with evidence, and remember, the bible is inadmissible.

Finally a word of caution. In the lower Astral there are levels known as the "belief system territories", some of which are analogous to "hells". These are the places people are attracted to after they pass on from the physical world due to strongly held religious beliefs they will not let go of. Only when the residents there see there beliefs for the illusions they are can they progress to the mid-Astral worlds and higher where most decent people dwell.

I would respectfully suggest you consider these things deeply.

With best regards,

Adrian.

 
 

[LA FORET MAUVE]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings Allanon,

Whilst we most certainly respect your right to believe in anything you will, evangelising on these forums will get you nowhere at all.

totally agree. There are so much people here, who escaped, at last one time, of the fishing bowl of reality... you'll have hard times to meet some sympathy here, trying to impose us those old dogms...i would say those old tricks []

[PeacefulWarrior]

As a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints we rely on many other books of scripture, some modern day scripture even...and most importantly ongoing revelation both personal and from a prophet, just like the ancient Christians.

[Allanon]

God does not outlaw AP. That is the whole purpose of free choice. But you will REAP consequences for communing with demons and fallen spirits. You can fight the Bible all you want but on your death bed you BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE SQUARED AWAY WITH CHRIST!!

You New Agers have no standard by which to base your morality. You have a book written by Robert Bruce that is a MAN MADE creation.

The Bible is the Word of God and is verified by the many prophecies and eye witness accounts of the apostles.

JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD. NO NEW AGE IDEOLOGY OR MYSTIC RELIGON EVEN CLAIMS THIS. THEY ARE ALL DEAD IN THERE GRAVES. CHRIST STILL LIVES AND WANTS YOU TO LIVE TOO!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS EXCEPT GOD'S PLAN RATHER THAN MAN'S.