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« on: September 28, 2003, 06:11:47 » |
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Sounds to me like a classic case of Christian being introduced to the astral. Specifically, it looks like he was taken straight from the bottom up, through all the primary planes (within the astral).
However his comment that Satan's plan was to get humans to worship him made me think.
That's exactly what the Christian God does, enlist hundreds of millions of people to worship him as a being. Maybe God as he's thought of en masse today.. is really Satan? It would go along with his name, the deciever, and the world of be-ing, Maya (illusion). And it would go with the concept of the world of being as the farthest from the source/God that "the deceiver" is acting with evil and getting people to turn away from truth (in fact, my personal definition of evil is ignorance).
So maybe the real God is Brahman/Atman in it's purest conceptual form, and the real "satan" is Jehovah in his purest conceptual form.
HMMMMMMMMMMM
Note, I'm not trying to be anti-christian or spite anyone. It's an interesting idea and is the first thing that sprung to mind when I read "He wants flesh to worship him".
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2003, 10:01:22 » |
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Oh my! reading that just brings up an all manner of contradictions between that and the Bible no matter how much he tries to relate them both.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2003, 11:13:09 » |
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His main point still rings true to me. Namely this
There is order in the physical world. There is a food chain, powerstructures, as well as politics and wars.THE ASTRAL COULD BE THE SAME. It stands to reason that many of us who project does not meet warlords from afghanistan nor the president heck not hardly a criminal or a police man if we mind our own buissness and are "nice" about it. People who are not nice, as Robert states, delving into Satanism black mass tampering with demons and lower astral entities become victims of these things. Just like in this life. It makes no sense that the astral is just a conglommeration of worlds and places people and whatever with no purpose other than the gnostic idea of elevating the so called "intelligencia" to enlightenment. There MIGHT BE ANOTHER REASON. This explains that viewpoint well. If you want to be critics and tell me why it could not be or why you dont think so ...go ahead.
Regards Mustardseed
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2003, 11:42:19 » |
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"THE ASTRAL COULD BE THE SAME"
- "As above, so below; as below, so above"
which would also imply that the reasons for the astral are the same as the reasons for the physical (ie the meaning of life). Whatever you may believe that to be - personally I cant see any other possible reason than to progress, or enjoy where you are.
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You are the Alpha and the Omega. You are vaster than the universe and more powerful than a flaring supernova. You are truly incredible!!
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2003, 12:07:59 » |
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I am with you on that one and agree, and as they say
an optimist is someone who enjoys the wiev along the detour.
Just lean back and enjoy the ride.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2003, 18:45:59 » |
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Hephaestus, quote:
Oh my! reading that just brings up an all manner of contradictions between that and the Bible no matter how much he tries to relate them both.
I didn't see any contradiction between that and the Bible. Perhaps you can shed some light on any that you noticed. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2003, 22:27:24 » |
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I was gonna say the same , neither dis I
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2003, 00:38:23 » |
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Great link I did not know it was there. Maybe so. I think he means a personified Devil. A entity and not some "feeling" or "oblivious being" but who knows. He does seem very sincere and it does make a lot of sense.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2003, 11:07:43 » |
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The above is a fairly straightforward account of a hardcore christian's first encounter with the astral, which is interepreted to fit within his belief system. Te astal works exactly like this, what I mean is that a muslim fundamentalist would see an islamic vision according to his own liking, in much the same way.
Christians do tend to have a hard time in the astral however, such is their obsession with 'evil' and 'demons' etc. If this is what is on their minds, then that is exactly what they will find, esp when fear enters the mix.
For me however, the whole concept of good/evil polar opposites is unfortunatly all two human, but is often used to characterise the astral as well.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2003, 19:29:41 » |
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quote:
The above is a fairly straightforward account of a hardcore christian's first encounter with the astral, which is interepreted to fit within his belief system. Te astal works exactly like this, what I mean is that a muslim fundamentalist would see an islamic vision according to his own liking, in much the same way.
Christians do tend to have a hard time in the astral however, such is their obsession with 'evil' and 'demons' etc. If this is what is on their minds, then that is exactly what they will find, esp when fear enters the mix.
For me however, the whole concept of good/evil polar opposites is unfortunatly all two human, but is often used to characterise the astral as well.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2003, 00:33:15 » |
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So what are these supposed contradictions with the Bible[?][?][?]
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2003, 01:27:02 » |
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Originally posted by False Prophet
Whom do you serve?
I can't shake the feeling that you're allanon with a different IP and the backwards concept that those who rejected your old preachings instead follow the kind of almost dogmatic darkness that you keep going on about. |
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2003, 02:00:41 » |
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The problem with interpreting obe and near death exp. is that they are very subjective-what you think is what you see- so people with certain fears are sure to find them.
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In the world in general and in this nation
May not even the names disease, famine, war, and suffering be heard.
May virtuous qualities, merit, and prosperity greatly increase
And may continuous good fortune and subline well-being perfectly arise.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2003, 02:29:08 » |
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(you said)
Christians do tend to have a hard time in the astral however, such is their obsession with 'evil' and 'demons' etc. If this is what is on their minds, then that is exactly what they will find, esp when fear enters the mix.
Hi Douglas
Well maybe you are right , I can see your point. If the astral is ONLY a manifestation of your secret fears we Christians are in trouble since we believe in good and BAD. However if you are wrong and if it is not all a fiction of our imagination I would venture to say that YOU MY FRIEND IS UP THE CREEK WITHOUT A CANOE. Never mind the paddle. So If I am wrong I will be pleasently surprised but if you are wrong you are in deep s***.
Think about it
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