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« on: July 21, 2004, 19:55:10 »


Long before the Haplogroup X genetic proofs came out a few years ago I had been making the case for pre-Christian racial Paradise in the Americas. Just last month I found out that the ‘Y’ Chromosome research goes a lot further in showing the Natives are from the same stock as the Welsh, Basque and other pure Kelts. I have been confronted on the Haplogroup X data by biologists and I have received support from geneticists who agreed with me. It is all water under the bridge now – MY HISTORY is supported by genetic proof. I can say that finally – thank god! Therefore I can also say to all the history freaks and other debunkers of my true history – where is your proof?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2004, 17:36:29 »

The worlds of science are merged with the magic of the past adepts beyond the writings of Nobel Laureates in physics you may have found exciting in your youth, as I did. Wigner, Schrödinger and his cat, Heisenberg 'Observed', and Capra has 'Tao-ed' a lot about the Mandukya Upanishads and S-Matrix math being linked with the I Ching (Tao te Ching). Soon science will know 'The Way' (Tao) made possible by the 'white light'. NEC labs in Princeton, New Jersey produced 300X the speed of light in the summer of 2000, inside a cesium chamber. This was the missing ontological proof required to make evidence of the necessary level required in science for the existence of 'psi phenomena'.

Beyond the wildest imaginations of quantum teleporting (Scientific American April 2001 Cover story) and the Big Bang, is the connection true 'love' brings. Thank you, Buddy Holly! John Lennon has 'Imagine’-d a new mantra for the quantum global village and a post-Modern Age that allows people the leisure time to contemplate what pre-Industrial Age Society already knew. When factories needed people to work long hours at machines they instituted education for all people, so that 'time clocks' could be punched and productivity could be measured. The prior travesties of the Inquisitions and Dark Ages were relaxed in order to enable a greater control over the minds of people. "The past and the future can be changed."(1)

From the Mahabharata to the Iliad we see the hand of higher beings who played god with mere mortals wrapped in their egoistic emphasis on the dross physical senses that greedily take so much energy away from soulful pursuits. Just because time appears linear does not make it any truer than the appearance the eyes of an owl recognizes when it sees in dimensions of energy our more limited eyes cannot capture. Perhaps an even more relevant acquisition technology in the animal kingdom has to do with how insects and birds find their way back to a specific territory or 'home'. Neils Bohr said something like this: - 'A great truth has an opposite which is also true. A trivial truth has an opposite which is false.'

Ninety-five per cent of all the energy in the universe is made up of Dark Energy or Dark Matter. This is a scientific fact recently discovered but not considered in the everyday working world of most academic disciplines. It was always useful to those ‘in the know’ and the Eastern Mystical schools used by Illuminati are part of what we must study in order to understand how Chhi and Shakti can build dimensional constructs. Here is a response to a Mason who I asked about making those ‘constructs’. He avoids saying he cannot actually DO the ‘travel’ he once asked me if I did.

You did not say whether they teach how to do what these 'offshoots' are able to do. If you cannot DO what is done (i.e.: make those deceptive 'constructs') then you are deceived or infiltrated as they say of many 'clandestine' types that have promoted Masonry. I know St. Germain (Rothschild/De Medicis) is still openly taught from in your craft but there are few (!) and really none in Masonry who know the tune their drummer is weaving.

It is an ancient art - the Great Architect's - since before Melchizedek and his tutelage of Abraham.

ML + chhi and the Zadokites are in charge. ML or Milesians (Stuart Royals and Hibernians) use the energy of the Cosmic Soup (chhi and Praha of Jan Hus) to make many zealots (Zadokites) do their bidding.

Lao-Tzu went to the west of his native China as he approached his death; in order to meet the Ancient Adept Masters who we believe are those Red-Heads of the Tarim Basin/Taklamakan Desert/Altaic Mountains near the greatest recent Empire's Khan - Temujin's homeland or birthplace. You can see photos of these 6'6" 'giants with their witch’s hats in Discovery, National Geographic or The Mummies of Urumchi. The reason they had a pyramidal witch’s hat was to focus cosmic energy to their pineal glands.

Lao-Tzu is one of history's greatest philosophers and religious personages. He knew these adepts had power to affect the Trojan War and all people on earth by means never written as the Verbal Tradition was aware of the dangers of interpreters with partial knowledge and fewer ethical constructs. Today these same hats are called 'dunce caps' as teachers teach the prejudices of ego and power-mongering proselytes and politicians.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2004, 17:46:54 »

The Trojan founders of Aa-Mu (Troy III) and the Northern Semites like Sargon are Phoenicians and the elite of the Emporiae they developed over tens of thousands of years. The notorious and sensational cases of international corporate intrigue that hit the pages of our media today are not new. When Nike makes shoes in Vietnam it helps that the labour rate and ethical issues are different there. In the distant past the trading posts or 'emporiae' were able to buy items in one part of the world at very cheap prices and sell them in another for exorbitantly higher prices because of a lack of competition that we know Carthage later enforced by stopping travel to the Americas. The matter of exclusive potions including special drugs like cocaine can be likened to Coca-Cola and its secret formula. This likeness is very relevant because the original recipe of Coke was cocaine based. Clearly these are not egalitarian ethics at work for some greater good or collective 'Brotherhood'. We must be honest and point these dalliances out to our reader. When the need of greed became ascendant is anyone's guess but we see 5,000 years ago as a good watershed moment in history.
     When we gave you the description of the carving at the Peruvian site which sounded like Caesar describing the Kelts we noted the ‘trophy heads' that looked like the very "warriors" Lanning correctly surmised. These statues may show the 'Brotherhood' (crossed hands and all) at play in the Peruvian drug fields. Would you be able to imagine white men fighting over such spoils then, as they have done in recent time? Can you see the Onassis family trade in tobacco and the like might have a nine thousand and more year history (which Smyrna does in the archaeologic record) of involvement in these secret potions? The rest of the Merovingian family who wouldn't fight their Phoenician 'brothers' are involved in these same trading enterprises we have shown are related to Benjaminites that the Israelites went to war against. The Kennedy drug fortune married into old Fitzgerald (alcohol) money and JFK and RFK have the 'F' to show it. The Reynolds family of the main Merovingian families are still proudly associated with the tobacco industry. The Russells who include a Prime Minister of England around the 19th century Opium Wars and their relatives in the US who had the American monopoly of opium trade to China; are in charge of the Foundations including some who are not even of their ilk. Naw! It can't be this heinous!??
     But consider the ethnic homogeneity isn't as strong as the usual presentation of the Jews for an instant and you might recall Russian Jews were persecuted by other Jews. You don't even have to have read Koestler to know this because the elite of Judaism aren't always free of discord in every ghetto or Jewish part of the world you know about. Horror of horrors, at the end of this line of reasoning you might conclude the Priory of Sion and the Benjaminites like the Rothschild/Rockefeller money that funded Stalin and Hitler, might actually like to see the Israelites suffer for their war against them that led to the Phoenicians taking them to Arcadia in Greece. The Germans did offer to let the Jews out of Germany in 1941 and the Zionists in Switzerland refused in order to force the world to create Israel after the war. Here is part of the story according to one Rabbi.
      “By Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
                                                    Dean of Nitra Yeshiva
IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti?
IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees? b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid
IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber? IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved?
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions)?”
     History has many secrets to bend the mind trying to understand but the "They killed our Saviour!" fiction has as many twists and turns as any. When the Holocaust was over and six million Jews had joined the thirty-two million other Kelts or Ukrainians of the original homeland of many worshippers of Dana and the God Don that the Ukrainians named their rivers after; what was Mississippi Senator John Stennis doing accusing the Hollywood moguls of killing Jesus? This happened at the House Un-American Activities Committee. Who was behind all these years of blaming Jews? Surely the Roman Catholics are part of the scenario but could their Templar/Teuton Knights armies have a connection through the Prieuré de Sion Bradley et al have brought us? We know there is a connection that was existent in the Papal Decree that gave the Templars free rein in Europe. Could they be saying one thing and doing another? Would that be unusual?
     One thing is nearly certain. The history of the Jewish origins is known to some people and the Phoenician part in this whole escapade is tantamount to being a larger cover-up than the Druids and de Danaan. They worshipped the bee, butterfly and bull symbology of the regalia and enterprises which carried these symbols as their ancient corporate logo in places like Crete, the Danube, Miletus and Egypt. But is there a true connection? We are looking into the matter further and will report whatever we find. Being a 'lost tribe' is a good thing if you are plotting crimes against humanity, but why isn't it until the last few decades that historians and journalists have been able to publish many books on these things? It does seem to have enough fact and data to make the question worth asking doesn't it?
     Drugs, alcohol and theology as management tools for the people appealing to the Machiavellian 'basic human urges' are now antiquated and the mind control methods of today or tomorrow are even scarier. Personally we find no reason to blame Jesus for instigating such terror or suppression and we hope there are members of the Merovingian/Benjaminite/Sionist/ Rosicrucian/Maltese nobility who are able to see what he stood for and overcome the elements within their own agencies or enterprises who have made all the Stuart and Jacobin intrigues and wars.
     We thank scholars like W. F. Albright and the authors of Carthage for having the courage to say the Bible is a Phoenician literary legacy. We hope we haven't said too many things that upset people as we endeavour to think our way through this maze of plots and counter-plots leading to places like the Skull & Bones Society. We certainly don't want anyone to stop questioning our guesses or start accepting our scholarship as fact when it is so hard to know why humanity has allowed such suffering to exist for so long.
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2004, 06:57:45 »

The Pima Indians of the American SW are reported to have Berber blood. The Melungeons of Pennsylvania are 'brothers' of the Basque and Berbers as they practice Wicca until this very day. Abe Lincoln may have been a Melungeon. Here is a report from the World Wide Web on the work of top geneticists that should hit the proverbial mark. The whole paper is reproduced from  so that you will know all the vagaries and further research that should be done.

                                     Genetics Joins the Rest of Science

     "Genetic Research Confirms Whites Are the True "Native Americans" An article published in "American Journal of Human Genetics" (1998, vol.63, pp.1852-61 - 10 pages) proposes that a puzzling genetic marker-- known in the literature as "haplogroup X", found in a few Native Americans as well as in European samples--indicates an ancient link between Paleoindians and Europeans.

     The authors theorize that haplogroup X originated in Central Eurasia 30,000 - 35,000 years ago in a single common population, which then 'spread both west into Europe (replacing the "native" Neandertal) and apparently northeast to North America. At roughly the same time, a proto-Mongoloid group was spreading from their aboriginal core area somewhere in temperate East Asia, replacing ancient Negritos, whose only remaining direct descendents would be the Andamans in the Indian Ocean. The paper, "mtDNA Haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America?" has a core group of authors from Emory University (Michael D. Brown, Jon C. Allen, Seyed H. Hosseini, Theodore G. Schurr, and Douglas C. Wallace) as well as investigators affiliated with the Department of Genetics of the University of Rome (Antonio Torroni, Rosaria Scozzari, and Fulvio Cruciana), and with the Mathematics Seminar of the University of Hamburg (Hans-Jurgen Bandelt).

     Their research presents a detailed analysis of genetic characteristics of Amerindian and European haplogroup X mtDNA samples. What they found was that the European and "Native American" DNAs are not the same--and this in itself rules out an affinity due to group misidentification--but that they share "an ancient common ancestor". Thus, the team has concluded that haplogroup X represents a new "humanity founding group" of mtDNA.

     Though the researchers have not yet been able to identify this haplogroup X in any ancient DNA sample, this appears to be in part because ancient DNA is highly degraded, so it does not present sufficient information to definitely characterize it. Indeed, their research paper identifies several possible ancient DNA samples that could, if they were more complete, be categorized. Thus the search for additional DNA samples could prove crucial. {Can you say Kennewick Man, and ask why the US Army Corps of Engineers destroyed the site and wouldn't answer questions from '60 Minutes' about who authorized this monstrous destruction of knowledge.}

     A second important point is that their examination of modern DNA in contemporary "Native American” population samples has shown haplogroup X only in certain northern peoples--Ojibwa, Sioux, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Yakama--and in the Navajo, {Where the elders treat a Melungeon friend of mine as their Keltic Warrior.} a tribe previously thought to be genetically related to the Apache and other Athapaskan-speaking populations of the Northwest. {Did they get to test the 'Mummy People' of Alaska's Aleut chain?}

     Most important is that haplogroupX has not been identified in Asians—{ Emphasis.} either from Siberia or from any other part of Asia-- suggesting that the original settlers of North America came from the future European race--before that race existed! More extensive surveys of Asian and European samples will be required to fully deduce the origins of haplogroup X as a major racial "marker"."
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2004, 03:47:46 »

This is some awesome material. Really sheds light (scientific light even!) on how we're older and were less primitive than we're taught to believe. Coincidentally, in US History we just started off the year with a chapter on Asians crossing the land bridge into America. I might have to print a few things off here and see what my history teacher thinks about them. [Smiley]

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2004, 00:59:26 »

Dear C

Are they still saying that happened only as much as 15,000 years ago. I can refer you to all manner of the top research to blow that Clovis Cops stuff out of the water. IN fact they have found earlier stuff even at Clovis.
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2004, 04:28:47 »

Jomon and Kennewick Debate:

In the case of the Jomon style Ecuadorian pottery we showed how the Canadian Museum of Civilization claimed it was the best evidence of pre-Columbian cultural impact in the Americas. Then they flatly stated there was prior industry in Ecuador that led to this co-incidence. Actually ten years later it was flatly stated that there was no prior Ecuadorian pottery style or technical expertise remotely similar. This was an obvious misuse of their auspices and tax dollars to mislead the public. In fact we are moved to call them liars and worse when we consider what was done on the Manitoulin Island site and to Dr. Lee and his boss in the same institutional network.

There they allowed a site to be built upon as a tourist camp when numerous experts were able to demonstrate a minimum of 30,000 year old tools. The crucifixion and hounding of Lee and the Director of the Museum was intense. The same intrigues are at work when we see the Kennewick Man site visited by US Army Corps of Engineers helicopters and crews the day before a Congressional Bill would have protected the site. The pylons, trees and earth have destroyed the likelihood of finding the probable additional knowledge the site might have offered but consider the intent and who might be behind this. 60 Minutes couldn't get an official response or even an unofficial response from the Corps. Science magazine ran an article that didn't even mention the actions of the Corps or the Congressional Bill. We have demonstrated significant cultural and technical exchanges between the supposed New World and the Old World in spades! The Jomon pottery is just one of over a hundred things and genetics makes the telling of the true story of the Adena and others most intriguing. Intriguing from the viewpoint of the questioner who asks: "Why are they lying to us?"

The following article or letter in the National Post from Saturday June 16, 2001, is from an author whose book is a good deal better than the 'expert' whitewashes of the Canadian Museum of Civilization.

"Author has a bone to pick with reviewer
By Elaine Dewar

I read with interest Richard Morlan's review of my book, Bones: Discovering the First Americans, done in tandem with James Chatters' Ancient Encounters: Kennewick Man and the First Americans (June 2). However, I looked in vain for a declaration that I had interviewed him and written of his work in 'BONES'. This would have provided readers with sufficient context to make up their own minds about the reviewer's objectivity.

Morlan, a highly regarded paleoenvironmental scientist at the Canadian Museum of Civilization, follows the fashion among some of his peers, who make light of the work journalists do in bringing scientific discoveries before the public. But science is like any other public endeavour: it only benefits from transparency. Without it, the bullies tend to gather at the gateposts, suppressing new work. As 'BONES' demonstrates, this has been a constant problem in the study of native American origins.

Morlan made it clear to me that he is a dissenter from the widely accepted theory {Not since 1991 when Dillehay destroyed this theory and yet here you see how long it takes for people to catch up. She can certainly be forgiven as she is not an archaeologist but since National Geographic and Scientific American in early 2001, came out with even older proof – she should have a better way of putting this.} that the first Americans entered the New World from Siberia at the end of the last Ice Age (about 12,000 years ago), walking from Asia over the exposed Bering land bridge, down an ice-free corridor between two giant ice masses covering almost all of Canada. With Jacques Cinq-Mars, Morlan has published on finds of animal remains more than 25,000 years old which -- were altered by human beings, found at an Arctic site called Blue Fish Caves. In 'BONES', I note the claims made for Blue Fish Caves have not been widely accepted because, more than twenty years after the material was uncovered, all the results have still not been published.

Morlan is also one of a group whose work I refer to, who correctly published radiocarbon dates on bone tools found along the Yukon's Old Crow river. These were originally dated at about 30,000 years old but were dated again using a better method and found to be embarrassingly youthful--between 3,000 and 1,300 years old.

Morlan lauds Chatters' fictionalized account of an encounter with Kennewick Man, who is described as 'a descendant of the founding people... injured by a spear thrown by a person whose society has just arrived through the newly opened ice-free corridor.' {Chatters was the person to whom police took the original bone finds when they thought it might be a recent homicide. Some reports have him as a coroner and others as an archaeologist. He is part of a lawsuit to allow science access to the bones and wishes to cast doubt that native Indians are the first hominids.} None of the above is known nor can it be. {A Tennessee archaeologist of renown is part of this lawsuit and National Geographic says he thinks Kennewick Man might be of the same stock as the white or proto-white men of Japan called the Ainu who are from Jomon.} Kennewick Man was not discovered with a note attached explaining that his ethnic derivation differed from the person who stabbed him.

However, the journalist is slapped around for failing to adopt Morlan's views. Morlan asserts that I never seriously explore 'the idea of an entry long before the last ice sheets advanced, when people could easily have found an ice-free corridor.' In fact, I do report Niede Guidon's evidence that people lived in northeastern Brazil 50,000 years ago {Is this before there were white people or are there proto-white people too? A French linguist says he can trace 50,000 years of linguistic development in South America.}, and her conjecture that they may have come across the southern Atlantic from Africa. I explore the work of Tom Dillehay at Monte Verde and Scotty MacNeish at Pendejo Cave, both of whom asserted the first Americans must have come very early across the Bering Strait (when the land bridge was under water).

Morlan says the duration of any recognizable ethnic group is probably measured in centuries, {Is this an adaptation of the 'No Cultural Impact' party line? The foreigners were sacrificed or wiped out by savages.} yet some who compare ancient and mitochondrial DNA see a wonderful continuity between the genetic makeup of native American bones found in 3,000-year-old cemeteries and those of native Americans still living nearby.

{'Ideas' from CBC radio had a genetics expert talking about 35-70,000 year development on Vancouver Island in a constant ethnic group, last year. There is a huge genetics research effort being done on America that I've heard comes from Harvard or MIT that will go a long way to settling this issue.}

Morlan says Chatters has provided us with a 'remarkably thorough' understanding of Kennewick Man and his place in history. {Remember Chatters is part of the lawsuit with the Smithsonian whose efforts are identical to the Canadian group Morlan represents and Dewar is an 'outsider'.} But there is no written account of the Americas that dates back 9,500 years. He notes that other scientists studied the Kennewick remains after Chatters, but doesn't explain that they used better instruments than Chatters was able to acquire in the short time the bones were in his lab, and that they differ from Chatters in several vital respects.

{An unimportant point when one considers the Smithsonian has two other skeletons in their possession that are almost as old, as well as the Aleutian Island mummies.}

One of those scholars, Joseph Powell, believes that the first North Americans have changed over time, slowly coming to look as they do today, while Walter Neves, Powell's Brazilian colleague, comes to the opposite conclusion. Neves believes the first Americans were replaced 8,000 years ago by people who looked as native Americans now do. Neves helped Chatters write his first paper comparing Kennewick Man's skull to modern populations around the world.

But all this is context Morlan wants us to ignore. {If she looked into the on-going disinformation and 'hide the ball' through confusion pattern more, she might see why someone wants this pubescent dialogue.} Thus, he dismisses as 'irrelevant' the core of 'BONES', which tells the stories of those who do this science and how generations of scholars suppressed evidence to uphold the accepted anthropological party line.

Morlan seems to believe the politics and history of science have no bearing on findings. But if he reflects on the difficulty faced by dissenters, he will discover science is done by human beings whose enmities, passions, mistakes, blinkers, mentors and ethics frame what they see in the world. These things can never be irrelevant.” (9)

Hurray! A point of light shines in the dark reaches of Canadian management of history. There is an actual person who works for this museum that doesn't support Clovis. But in reality it is just that they only change their minds when forced to by the work of 'outsiders' like Farley Mowat and Westviking did on the Norse and Lans-aux-Meadows site. Maybe in another century if we are still around, we'll start discussing Fell and Churchward.

Guidon has pushed the dates back a lot further than 50,000 and even more than 60,000 at her site as we see in this report from Athena Review.

“A total of seven charcoal samples from hearths at site BPF 1 were subjected to the full ABOX-SC procedure and their radiocarbon contents were determined by accelerator mass spectrometry at the Australian University. Five of the samples proved to be even beyond the limit of this new technique, returning ages of greater than 56,000 BP. Finite ages of 53,000 and 55,000 BP were obtained for the remaining two (Santos et al., in manuscript).

These new results push back the time of human occupation at the Pedra Furada site by at least another 8,000 years relative to the previous results. Hence, it appears that humans were already at this site about 60,000 years ago, and possibly even earlier.” (10)
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Did The First Americans Come From Oz?
07/09/2004 02:04 PM

Anthropologists have stepped into a hornets' nest, revealing research that suggests the original inhabitants of America may in fact have come from what is now known as Australia.

The claim will be extremely unwelcome to today's native Americans who came overland from Siberia and say they were there first.

But Silvia Gonzalez from John Moores University in Liverpool said skeletal evidence pointed strongly to this unpalatable truth and hinted that recovered DNA would corroborate it.

"This is very contentious," Gonzalez, a Mexican, said with a smile at the annual meeting of the British association for the Advancement of Science. "They (native Americans) cannot claim to have been the first people there."

She said there was very strong evidence that the first migration came from Australia via Japan and Polynesia and down the Pacific Coast of America.

Skulls of a people with distinctively long and narrow heads discovered in Mexico and California predated by several thousand years the more rounded features of the skulls of native Americans.

One particularly well preserved skull of a long-face woman had been carbon dated to 12,700 years ago, whereas the oldest accurately dated native American skull was only about 9,000 years old.

"We have extracted her DNA. It is going to be a bomb," she said, declining to give details but adding that the tests carried out so far were being replicated to make sure they were accurate.

She said there were tales from Spanish missionaries of an isolated coastal community of long-face people in Baja California of a completely different race and rituals from other communities in America at the time.

These last survivors were wiped out by diseases imported by the Spanish conquerors, Gonzalez said.

The research is one of 11 different projects in America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East being funded over a four-year period by Britain's Natural Environment Research Council.

The projects, focusing on diet, dating and dispersal of people down the millennia in the face of climate change, aim to rewrite anthropology.

"We want to make headlines from heads," said Professor Clive Gamble of Southampton university. "DNA will give us a completely new map of the world and how we peopled it.",,3782-3671423,00.html
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2004, 14:15:33 »

Dear J

Actually the first Americans is not proven by this at all. The fact is it happened long before this and there is a good possibility that South America developed its own indigenous hominids that include Goliath.

This is just a small piece in the larger puzzle. It goes to show that man was traveling the oceans long enough ago to have done the Hadji Ahemd map that details things we did not learn until 1958.

This new history that I have done - puts the boots to the whole paradigm and all the myths and lies meant to enslave people including Native American Indians who scuffle for table scraps rather than tell the truth or allow it to become known by examination of the artifacts like Kennewick Man. The Paradise that was in the Americas before bioweapons became advanced enough to mount an attack was indeed something we should know today. Our nations and laws are based on Manifest Destiny and lies at least the equal of what Hitler told about a Third Reich - which actually is what the US is part of.

On that point I had head to head battles with one of the Council seeking to bury Kennewick Man. This person spread lies and rumors including that I was a spokesperson for a Catholic agenda and she found my books selling at some site they are behind (I wish).
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2004, 20:35:52 »

There was a passage in Simone Weil's book 'Gateway to God' that we read together and that she was able to see my favorite author’s meaning through. Krishnamurti and Teilhard de Chardin say it in fewer words but Simone does a great job on page 39 of her book:
     "To anyone who does actually consent to directing his attention and love beyond the world, towards the reality that exists outside the reach of all human faculties, it is given to succeed in doing so. In that case sooner or later, there descends upon him a part of the good, which shines through him upon all that surrounds him.
     The combination of these two facts - the longing in the depth of the heart for absolute good, and the power, though only latent, of directing attention and love to a reality beyond the world and of receiving good from it - constitutes a link which attaches every man without exception to that other reality.
     Whoever recognizes that reality recognizes also that link. Because of it, he holds every human being without any exception as something sacred to which he is bound to show respect... Whoever in fact does not feel this respect is alien to that other reality also."
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2004, 02:32:47 »

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Dear C

Are they still saying that happened only as much as 15,000 years ago. I can refer you to all manner of the top research to blow that Clovis Cops stuff out of the water. IN fact they have found earlier stuff even at Clovis.

They're still teaching that.

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2004, 05:44:04 »

Heck the Cable TV shows seldom are THAT out of date.
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     I have called a variety of government departments and spoken to many people. I will continue doing this kind of thing in order to bring the truth of the Great Lakes and the Phoenician and Olmec ‘Brotherhood’ that succeeded in a time when there was no higher culture or civilization on earth. I can think of many reasons they may not want to re-write the academic books and have to expose some of the inner sanctum intrigues about the acts of destruction still being carried out and still including some Indian operatives. I also know some people don’t know what the facts are, or as they say ‘don’t know me from Adam’. It can be a little frustrating to expect results from bureaucracies even when you are willing to promote and prove that the Great Lakes (thus Ontario) is the site of the most important archaeological artifacts showing the most amazing tourist destination imaginable.

     I am not asking for funding and I already have publishers or I have already been published in the case of Diverse Druids. So it was funny to hear the Arts Council of Canada say they only support Canadian publishers and I said I am concerned with the facts and not asking for money. I guess you might understand that the Canadian publishers are not aggressively competitive and try to make money from government hand-outs. That kind of thinking doesn’t work for me.

     I called the Tourism Marketing Department and was sloughed off by the secretary to the President onto some low level lackey who didn’t even know what Giza was (The site of the Great Pyramid and Sphinx which is the most recognized tourist site in the world – I think.). As we spoke and I told him I wanted them to collect the various government agencies who might want to give input to my book and reply to the actual facts in the case of destruction of artifacts they have been part of – he tried to refer me back to the Communications people who had just referred me to them. I was also suggesting they could make money or fund other initiatives and sites through a special coffee table book edition as well as a documentary.

     The man I was speaking to had just been to the Peterborough Petroglyph site and knew enough about the grinding done on the rocks to remove the Norse or Phoenician high prowed ships. He said they were working closely with the Indians there. I told him I could show the Indians they had nothing to fear from the truth and would gladly meet any Indian scholar to present my case. I expect I will not get any assistance from a political animal and I have contacted the Royal Ontario Museum (again) about giving a look at the truth. I quote all their top scholars and this book I am referring to is not the mythological exploration engaged in, in the book you are now reading. It is a very scholarly and academic venture. I will therefore place the Table of Contents herewith. I sent this to the President of the Marketing Department as well.
                                     Letter to the Reader:

     Early humans can be shown (now) to have been FAR more advanced and capable of complex thought than most scholars will yet admit! I suggest and implore the reader to consider these people were far more able to love and give egalitarian support to their women and neighbors than we are currently doing. It may sound like I am attacking those who do not know what I know; but I assure you it is not the case. I AM attacking the controlled and propagandized media including our education systems. Please consider these wise words as you start to put your thinking cap on:

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation. – Herbert Spencer”

     It is hard to pierce the veil of history and one might think it is even harder to know ‘pre’-history. It is debatable whether or not that is true. Since the supposed undirected ‘zealots’ of Empires like Rome were unleashed upon libraries and librarians of this world there is a definite lack of recorded history. This is true – but it may be a blessing. The general abuse that media and indeed all literary work has suffered under the actual direction of power-mongers is extensive.

     A Canadian may think Louis Riel was a traitor but I ask ‘What country?’ could legally claim to be his master? Who died and made kings DIVINE? What right do sovereign nations and (since the 19th century) corporations have, that is justifiably greater than that of free and decent people? Even when the jury recommended ‘clemency’ for Riel the judge ordered him hanged. In truth his Métis were part of the Brotherhood who intermingled in North America from a long time before Columbus and even Christ. Why couldn’t he and his people, who were the majority of people in the West of Canada and the upper U.S., be allowed to choose their own destiny and join the U.S. rather than Canada? His letters to American Presidents making this offer still exist.
But the region has only scratches on rocks and artifacts to speak for the real importance of the ancient past when Atlantis’ orichalcum (Copper) brought Mu and all people to Lake Superior; in search of pure metals all the way back to the Ice Age and before. A late 19th Century panel of scientists brought together by the Smithsonian said the copper mining was a greater feat than the Giza Plateau, yet here in the Great Lakes where I live and grew up there is little or no awareness of that fact. In my continuing effort to shed light or ask questions that deserve consideration in respect of our continuing social management, I will ask questions of the ‘managers’ and academics who ‘expertly’ cover over and deny the facts. There probably is no region of this world without a far different history than its inhabitants are taught to believe. Some of us think history is a bore and all the heroes just ‘dead people’.
The real heroes who demonstrate the greater courage are often those who history ignores on purpose. Those who fight for Brotherhood and against tyranny seldom have chroniclers to write their glorious history. I will have less to say about the current state of affairs which are impacted by the topic at hand in this book. Diverse Druids: The Origin of All Religions had to deal with modern religions and management of their history. Neolithic Libraries endeavoured to crack some of the codes and explore the symbols and harmonics of the Earth born animals who find Homo Sapiens sapiens in present control of this planet. Control was not always so easily given to others.

Table of Contents:

CHAPTER ONE: From ‘Hell’ and Back.

- The Canadian Encyclopedia says: “The ancestors of the Iroquois can be traced backwards in New York State by archaeological evidence to at least 500 BC. And possibly as far back as 4,000 BC. The distinctive Iroquois culture of the historic period seems to have developed by about 1000 AD.” In order to take the Iroquois back to 4000 BC one has to find the Megwi and Adena before them were once people who lived in Poverty Point where Eurasiatic technology existed and tall people thrived in the Keltic mound building tradition.

CHAPTER TWO: Manitou’s Mounds and Mississippi Mud.

- Professor Jesse Jennings who wrote what the Smithsonian called ‘authoritative’ in its third edition says: “…are all the high cultures of the New World resultant from a diffusion of ideas, customs, artifacts, and religious-social practices of the OLD WORLD?”
- He also says: “Even more unusual at the two sites was the microflint work. The industry involved the striking of long, prismatic flakes from egg-shaped flint nodules or cores in a manner reminiscent of Eurasiatic Mesolithic industries.”

CHAPTER THREE: Guardians of the Iberian Gateway (ST. Lawrence, Hudson).

- J.V. Wright is one of Canada’s top academics and he wrote A History of the Native People’s of Canada, Volume I, (10,000 – 1,000 B.C.) and he says: “Historically documented native beliefs in Canada appear to have been quite similar to those of the pre-Christian Celtic, Germanic, and Scandinavian peoples as well as other parts of the world…”
- He also brings us: The Allumette-1 and Morrison’s Island-6 sites, in addition to other activities, they functioned as manufacturing centres of copper tools.

CHAPTER FOUR: The Great Wall of China Extends to Ohio’s ‘Giants’.

- Elizabeth Wayland Barber’s The Mummies of #471;rümchi says: “Linguistically these twins show features lumping them most closely with the ‘westernmost’ Indo-European languages: Celtic and Italic…. But they are not particularly similar to their nearest geographical neighbors…”
- Also, she states: “What Professor Mair {University of Pennsylvania} recognized there stunned him. The mummies appeared to be neither Chinese nor Mongoloid in facial type; they looked, in fact, distinctively “Caucasian”…”

CHAPTER FIVE: Peru Shakes Hands With Poverty Point.

- “The rise and fall of Celtic sea power has been strangely neglected… Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, most of Book III of Caesar’s De Bello Gallico is devoted to the greatest naval battle he was ever called upon to mount…. No less than 220 ships, all larger than and superior in construction to those of the opposing Roman navy under Admiral Brutus.” These words from Professor Barraclough Fell set the truth in motion of worldwide travel and trade that the Kelts were involved in for many millennia.
- He is the champion of many and the outcast of his Harvard ‘cronies’ and other academics. There is no part of this planet were we will not show the Kelts or ‘keltoi’.

CHAPTER SIX: Memphremagog.

- The Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Finally, Josephus and others identify Magog with Scythia, but in antiquity this name was used to designate vaguely any northern population.” Scythia is central to the birthplace of the Kelts as genetic research shows in 35-30,000 year ago time. ‘Phre’ is ‘fire’ from the ‘sun’ of Druidic or Heliopolitan sun worship which is the original root of Phremasonry according to Thomas Paine.
- The most telling evidence of European involvement in North America before Christ might be the ‘extinct’ or should I say ‘immortal’ North American horse that I think was like a Shetland Pony because there were no horses or artifacts thereof for the previous 5000 years. Here is an archaeologist of note by the name of Quimby, whose report goes most un-noted: “1954 The Old Copper Assemblage and Extinct Animals. American Antiquity 20: 169-170. Quimby analyses an occurrence of deeply buried copper artifacts and associated animal bones near Fort Williams in southwest Ontario. The discovery, made in 1913 and 1916, was recorded in a geological report. Quimby reasons that the site may date to the Altithermal, approximately 3500-2000 B.C., and that the bones are those of the bison and the extinct native horse.”

CHAPTER SEVEN: Copper Making Secrets and Speculations About Crystalline or Stone Age Knowledge.

- I can show the reason for red ochre on Mungo Man’s skeleton (and many other cultures around the world) is possibly connected to the alchemical (shamanic) use of cinnabar. This was adequate payment for the Beothuk who were in the northern Hudson Bay route for copper when the earth had not yet rebounded much from the glaciers retreat before moving with their Keltic family to L’anse Amour around the 6th Millennium B.C.
- Here is something spiritual about the ‘immortal’ element of mercury to consider. “Cinnabar will become mercury, and passing through a series of other sublimations, it is again turned into cinnabar, and thus it enables man to enjoy eternal life.” This is from J. Bronowski’s book and TV documentary produced by the BBC called The Ascent of Man.

CHAPTER EIGHT: Pre-Columbian and Post-Christian Americans from Europe.

- In Tucson we have on-going digs of irrigation canals and a civilization from 2000 BC but in the 1920s another more recent ‘find’ was made. It was by the top people in the science and handled in the appropriate manner but met a cover up to equal what happened at Manitoulin Island. Here is a little about this story from Ancient American. “Translation of the combined Latin text told a surprising story: ‘In Memoriam Romani Actius: In memory of Romans Actius and Theodore, Consuls of great cities. We are carried forward on the sea (to) Calalus, {The site of present day Ocala in Florida, the name was taken from the Latin name of Porto Cale, Portugal. These Jews now meet the Toltecs and a man from the city of Rhodes – which was a key enduring fortification of the Keltic Phoenicians past the time of Posidonius who thought highly of them.} an unknown land (and) a people ruling wildly (Indians?). Toltezus (and) Silvanus are won over, Theodorus brings his forces from the city, Rhoda. And more than 700 are captured. No gold. They are (or shall be) banished from the city.
- {The metal tablets decipherment continues.}Theodorus, a man of the greatest valor, rules during 14 years. Iacobus rules during (after Theodorus) six years. God helping it (?) is not to be feared. In the name of Israel, Iacobus born again (in) the city…. Benjamin was king of the people. He came from Seine to Rome, the bravest of the Gauls…” The Benjaminites are central players in the intrigues of New World Order that are throughout history.

CHAPTER NINE: Debunkers and the Flat Earth Fiction.

- The web brings me the words of Theosophist scholars who add an important observation about the propaganda Rome used to gain ever greater control of this world. Rome as an Empire expanded whenever the people of Rome were dispossessed of booty from the evil wrought by their leaders. “Jewish scholars had already proved the similarity between the Laws of Moses and the philosophies of Plato, Aristotle and Pythagoras. Christians claimed that Jesus was a unique character, while the entire pagan world knew that the legends surrounding Jesus’ life were identical with those of pagan gods. Students of comparative religion recognized their similarity to the traditions of great spiritual Teachers who had preceded Jesus.”

CHAPTER TEN: Manitoulin Island and Mooring Stones.

- “The site’s discoverer (Lee) was hounded from his Civil Service position into prolonged unemployment; publication outlets were cut off, the evidence was misrepresented by several prominent authors among the Brahmins; the tons of artifacts vanished into storage bins of the National Museum of Canada; for refusing to fire the discoverer the Director of the National Museum (Dr. Jacques Rousseau), who had proposed having a monograph on the site published, was himself fired and driven into exile; official positions of prestige and power were exercised in an effort to gain control over just six Sheguiandah specimens that had not gone under cover; and the site itself has been turned into a tourist resort.” It has actually been built upon by a tourist campsite, just as the Kennewick Man site was covered over and pylons and trees sunk upon it the day before a congressional Bill was to take effect to protect it.
- Professor Emeritus James Scherz of the University of Wisconsin says: “More likely than not, they were but one of numerous peoples from around the world who were attracted to the copper riches found in the Upper Great Lakes Region of ancient America.”

CHAPTER ELEVEN: Easter Island and New Zealand Kelts Before History.

- From respected scholars in India who have succeeded in decoding the Ilavarta language that is similar to the Rongorongo on Easter Island we have:
- “On this point it is worth noting that the account of ancient Indian history found in most textbooks is completely wrong. They make the Harappan Civilization pre-Vedic while the latest research shows it to be the other way. In fact, it belongs to the closing centuries of the Vedic Age. The idea that India was invaded by ‘Indo-European’ Aryans who destroyed the Harappan or Indus Valley Civilization and then composed the Vedas has been thoroughly discredited. The language of the Harappans is Vedic Sanskrit and their civilization was Vedic. This was known even before the script was deciphered. There are Vedic symbols all over the place at archaeological sites – like Vedic altars, the Swastika symbol and the ‘OM’ sign among others. The ‘Aryan invasion’ and the ‘Aryan-Dravidian wars’ were created by European colonial and missionary scholars, to serve their own interests.”

CHAPTER TWELVE: Yonaguni and the Kensington Runestone.

- “Dear Mr. Collins: I am a high school world history teacher, Cuban born and Princeton educated. With great interest I have been reading about Atlantis and I am concerned about a great many things from a historical perspective. Please let me share these with you. First, I have no delusions that, as a Cuban I am related to any Atlantean peoples – they were gone long before I arrived on the Earth. Second, I have a strong suspicion that when we find Atlantis, where you say it is, our world will never be the same. Our notions of what is and what was will be changed forever. Our theories about time and the existence of civilizations predating Greece and Rome will send shock waves that will reverberate through out the known world.”

            Why the Indians should want the truth to be told.

     I know there are current court and government treaty issues that would be ‘muddied’ by the fact that white men like Kennewick Man traveled here and built a culture that shared with all peoples of the earth who were coming to the Americas. Some people would reason that the natives were interlopers who threw earlier people out of the Americas and that these earlier people were white. That is not artifactual or proven but one can say there have often been these battles over turf. I would propose the people of the Americas had a higher culture of Peace and harmony with better societal structure. I think I can show the Aztecs and Iroquois were agents of European Empire and that before the 11th Century there had been a millennia when one could easily say the Americas were Paradise or what the Mormons call ‘Bountiful’. The fact that the Americas had a better way of life and fewer wars and greater spiritual insights are not difficult to prove. Thus the whole idea of Manifest Destiny and other rationalizations about making deals with ‘savages’ is a farce. The Brotherhood operated in unison on many issues and as we have said, Tecumseh knew the deals with some local leaders of tribes were made with improper and immoral intent.

     In point of fact we can show the Europeans had been killing and genocidally eliminating the Brotherhood for some time before Columbus. It seems likely that the Peruvian cocaine and emeralds were primary in the Phoenician trade for a least a millennia before Hiram and Solomon’s recorded voyages there. By the time of the Moche or Moshe (Like Moses) there may have been the more warlike behavior in this region or north to where the all important copper used to provide the only pure copper that could be used before smelting refinements. There is no evidence to think there were major battles in that area at that time and there are no graves or skeletons on Isle Royale. Not one! Thus it is reasonable to assume the spiritual beliefs aided in keeping people respectful of this unique bounty.

     I am not going to delve into the tribe by tribe analysis of those who may once have been white or once have been civilized and peaceful. There is enough said on this issue already in this book. There is also a lot more research and fact finding that science and academia must do to explain certain things like vitrified rocks and battlefields near Poverty Point which as far as I know are not carbon-dated. The import of the great cities with gardens and art throughout the high cultures that survived does not mean other Indian tribes did not have superior cultures to the Europeans. For example – the Haida had wood homes like those in Switzerland today. In fact the variety of housing is very much a matter of what nature supplied in all its bounty. The Mayans did not need lavish homes. You can’t find a much nicer climate or place to live than the thatched huts near the mouth of cenotes at the seashore in places like Xcaret in Mexico where they have re-created a Mayan village. We now know the Mayan language was a lingua franca for over 200 tribes and it was both pictographic and phonetic. I don’t go so far as to say the breaking of the Mayan code was as important as the humane genome project and space colonization which the eminent Mayanologist Michael Coe has said. But I will say there is much we can yet learn about the Cosmic release Earth Energy Grid which they knew.

     The extent of the art that was melted down and made into bullion and jewels for the European greed will never be fully known. The extent of the books burned and all other zealous acts of Christianity will never be fully known. The peaceful and loving or welcoming acts of the native peoples are a function of the previous contacts with white people who had left Europe to find a better place to live during the Dark Ages and earlier times. But the bulk of history as I remember being taught it would suggest they were simpletons and ‘savages’. Even if there is some truth to that – it was a higher culture that engages in ethical treatment of visitors. I argue for the full payment of any treaty and recognition of this Brotherhood whereas those who argue for Indian rights are allowing the lie of false treaties to continue.

           One Reason The Indians Don’t Want the Truth to be Told
     The ‘Star people’ or other dimensional energy forces that make up the cosmogony of many Indians myths are thought to be extra-terrestrial and thus they gain a sort of ‘chosen one’ status not unlike the Anunnaki or Elohim of the Bible. If you have read my work you know I am open to such things to some extent and yet I am not convinced these entities are physically manifest and from the Pleiades or other such places. If I am right we can see the Martinist/Jacobin myths were brought to America long before Columbus.

     The mounds themselves are definitely built in harmony with the Cosmic and Earth Energy Grid. Here is a medicine man’s point of view on the chanting to open these portals or gateways to ‘what is’. He is a member of a forum I belong to.

     “After preparation then visit the mound, touch the mound or if unable to touch it, then direct line of sight is ok, the connection is what is critical. Circling the mound is the best, doing it in a clockwise fashion, for it activates the entire mound with all its portals when doing so. Prayer walking in a circle around it will fulfill this requirement.
Now say this prayer chant, or sing it, then other songs will emerge out of you, then you know you are connecting with the spirits of the mounds and the gateway will begin to open for you.
the prayer chant:
o chee nah nah chee nah cho ku nah so tee ah
cho ku nah wo pee ah, cho ku nah i cee ah nah,
cho ku nah yo pah, cho ku nah gee or gee ah,
cho ku nah oh kah gah, cho ku nah wo pee ah,
cho ku nah you tah, cho ku nah ree ah nah,
ma tee ah fa tee ah, ma chee nah, fa chee nah,
Then let the songs sing from you, start to chant and hum. The spirits will come and sing with you. Then the realms will open up, first in 2D then in 3D if you are gifted with this, if not yet in time you will, then travel into and through the gateway and interact with the star nation who left their gateway at this sacred place for you. Then record the gifts, the songs, the chants, the prayers, and share them with others.”

     The nature of myths and reality may come closer together and be better understood in the quantum many worlds interpretations of the future. For now, I am not a believer in the Star People returning to help the ‘natives’ or any other such ‘return’. I want a return of respect and full enablement that was greater in the extended family and elder councils of more open egalitarian ethics. In short we need Brotherhood with Purpose to prevail over Oligarchy for Power.
Robert Baird
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A blast from my past visit here.
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