Was Jesus Gay?

[extracrispy]

Chuck Norris is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. 

Seriously though, there a lot of crazy stories about Jesus. 

[GodsProxy]

Of course Jesus did exist.
He added the most important of the commandments: "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another."
Nobody at the time could understand the message he gave to us, so he had to encode everything in parables.
Today we have a better context for understanding what Jesus was really trying to say, but we need to use our common sense and not take the bible literally.
It says in Revelation, "he who overcometh" shall have a place it his right hand, at his dinner table.
He was not talking about overcoming common trials and tribulations. Back then people thought he was almighty, and would never have understood a message like, "Help, satan's in charge I need your help!"
Today the devil is in charge and we have Hell on Earth.

[Summerlander]

There is no evidence that Jesus ever existed. No real, concrete evidence. EVER!

[personalreality]

i agree summer.

anyone who thinks jesus was a real person needs to study the mystery traditions (of which christianity is a descendant).  jesus and his story is a retelling of the mystery tradition's story of the journey man takes toward reunification with the logos (jesus).  actually that's not the whole truth.  christians demonized women and removed one of the most important parts of the story, that of sophia, the counterpart of the logos.

[Rudolph]

There is no evidence that Jesus ever existed. No real, concrete evidence. EVER!

Not true.

Please see my reply on this thread; « Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 17:19:14 »

Of course one can always nit-pik about what constitutes 'concrete'. But using your line of thinking here, Summer, we may have to doubt that Socrates ever existed.

[Summerlander]

Show me the evidence, Rudolph...

[Rudolph]

Show me the evidence, Rudolph...

Easier done than said, almost   (this is an old discussion, just google "Josephus Jesus")


Josephus returned with Titus to Rome, where he was awarded for his service with a house and a pension. With time and resources, Josephus turned to writing of history. In the 70s, he wrote Jewish Wars, which provided a chronicle of the wars of the Jewish people. He thereafter in the 90s wrote a much broader history of the Jewish people, Jewish Antiquities.

Two References to Jesus

Josephus' writings cover a number of figures familiar to Bible readers. He discusses John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus, Pontius Pilate, the Sadducees, the Sanhedrin, the High Priests, and the Pharisees. As for Jesus, there are two references to him in Antiquities. I will recount them in the order in which they appear.

First, in a section in Book 18 dealing with various actions of Pilate, the extant texts refer to Jesus and his ministry. This passage is known as the Testimonium Flavianum referred to hereafter as the "TF".

    Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.

Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3

Second, in Book 20 there is what could be called a passing reference to Jesus in a paragraph describing the murder of Jesus' brother, James, at the hands of Ananus, the High Priest.

    But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.

Jewish Antiquities 20.9.1



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Here's another one from Tacitus, "Annals" 15.44


[...] Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated,...

[Summerlander]

Books...excerpts from here and there. I mean, it's been over two millenia, Rudy...Even if such a story is true that such a character existed, far too many embellishments would have been picked up in its travels over such a long period of time...evidently Christ's so-called miracles as a possible and very feasible distortion of the truth. Even today, so-called faith healers manage to deceive millions. Come on...you can't just expect me to believe that there was a Christ as they say. But hey...I'm calling you out on this one...make me believe as you do. Give me exactly what makes you believe. Give me that! Come on...hit me with it!

[Rudolph]

Books...excerpts from here and there. [...] Come on...you can't just expect me to believe that there was a Christ as they say. But hey...I'm calling you out on this one...make me believe as you do. Give me exactly what makes you believe. Give me that! Come on...hit me with it!

First you said there was no evidence of Jesus.

I showed that there was.

Now you talk about the Christ and miracles and belief. When you ask, "Give me exactly what makes you believe" what exactly do you think it is that I "believe"? What are you calling me out on?

[Summerlander]

Well...you believe that Jesus existed, don't you? But what you provided isn't real proof, is it?

[Rudolph]

Well...you believe that Jesus existed, don't you? But what you provided isn't real proof, is it?

Ohhhh... so now we are talking about "proof". ?

First you said there was "no evidence" and I replied that that was not true, because it is not true.

You asked for the evidence and I provided the evidence.

So now you ask why I believe Jesus existed?

That is not "belief" as in religious faith. That is a reasonable conclusion based on available data.

[Rudolph]

WAIT!!!

I found PROOF!

http://www.zazzle.com/and_god_said_maxwells_equations_tshirt-235628270699537542

[ether2]

There is no evidence that Jesus ever existed. No real, concrete evidence. EVER!

ya could say that about all the other profits as well Buddha/Krishna/Pacal etc included

good luck

love all

[Xanth]

At Lexy's request, I'm re-opening this.

Enjoy. 

[Summerlander]

ya could say that about all the other profits as well Buddha/Krishna/Pacal etc included

good luck

love all

Prophets? When was Buddha or Krishna a prophet? LOL! Besides, we are talking about Jesus here and so far I don't see proof or any hint of evidence whatsoever that Jesus existed apart from scriptures.