If there is no right or wrong at all then um paedophiles and rapists aren't wrong? Cold blooded murder is not wrong? Nazism wasn't/isn't wrong? Freedom of speech isn't right? The list goes on."
Spoken like a true child the concept of right/wrong is an opinion im i correct??
The concept of right or wrong came from somewhere. Yes on some levels it may be opinion and like all opinions one point of view can be said to be as valid as another. This is the relative morals argument. However if you cannot see that there is a hard core bundle of human values that can define good or evil then you yourself may have an issue.
Yes there are many issues that in different cultures are more acceptable or unacceptable than others. As cultures have evolved and grown there appears to be a kind of a consensus as to some basics as to what could define evil. Again you may say this is a cultural opinion. It might appear to be such a product. However it has far more value to a society than a mere opinion, therefore I feel such morals become a lot more than opinion.
Society has a whole has a long way to go with this of course, but the examples I give above I stand by. Things that I say are evil, I label so because I believe that they are and that most of the world would go along with this, barring obvious exceptions of course. The world has yet to form a complete consensus on freedom of speech, and unfortunately Nazi movements still exist.
If we do not as a society, build a foundation for judging what we think is truly good or evil, along what lines will justice evolve? Natural justice e.g. survival of the fittest? Relative justice only e.g. where extremely convoluted and woolly thinking can actually get rapists and similar off the hook?
so raping a child is an opinion of choice??
What the **** do you mean by this? It’s an evil act even if the reasons the perpetrator gives to rationalise appear to be anything but. This is one thing that everyone I’ve every spoken to or heard from on this subject agrees. The only people who do not tend to be paedophiles or have other serious issues in their own right.
In times past there are tales of cultures where catamites were considered a normal “accessory” for people in power. Also torture, slavery and many other practices that we now feel to be evil were considered normal. The definitions of evil as a whole have evolved with the race. No-one handed us a stone with these engraved, and the universe was not created with our human ideas of good and evil written out for us. We have had to learn these ourselves. Here’s a thought for you. Is maths real? The reason I ask I hope would be obvious, however if not; The rules behind simple mathematical operations seem be universal no matter where you are. The universe will operate to a large degree to mathematical models we understand already, this is proven. Also we are also aware that there are gaps in this knowledge, some of them immense. What we have certainly works so far regardless. The same could be said for a form of universal good and evil.
It’s possible that any other sentient life that has much similarity to our own in form would end up arriving at similar conclusions that can apply anywhere. There is more to be said here of course, including what happens with biological differences etc.
like ive said there is no good/evil its what you want it to be. If you cannot live in a world with violence and corruption then kill yourself by all means
This is meaningless garbage. Always was, and always will be. You do appear to believe in relative morals in a major way. Without foundations nothing gets built. Your ethics sound like they’d collapse as so far they appear to me to be built on nothing, pretty much like your argument.
Where on earth did you dig up that silly statement anyway? It’s pretty juvenile and does not advance your point of view in any way at all. Throw out similar stuff on your next post please.
still space/time is what we all live in.. your telling me you do not exist in time??
you actually need proof of time??”
You answer nothing with this. Time is a phenomena we all experience and are familiar but no-one fully understands it. As a race we do not understand it’s origins, all we know how to do is measure it. We do relate time to space as the two appear inseparable, perhaps the answer lies in this fact.
This does not indicate how time was created, neither does it indicate a creator. Logically you can endeavour to argue that it was created somehow, because it exists. That’s as far as you can go. Time in the continuum we live in appears to flow one way from our point of view, we can look back with varying degrees of accuracy but so far we do not know how to look forward.
like ive said this is mostly therory based on real science .
"Religion could exist with or without the existence of good and evil"
ok karnautrahl religion teachs yin/yang opposties am i correct??
so a religion of a "holy being" or "holy energy" must have an evil side to it as well.
ruleing out good/evil means that there is no holy - sub holy . my friend if you cannot fathom such things then you should try some deep thinking perhaps .
I believe you started the “no good/evil” argument. I believe there is a true good/evil, even though it can be shown to be a human creation it does not make it less real. Take all forms of thinking, sentient life off this planet and you would be correct in a way to say that on Earth there would not be good/evil. It’s a product of our form of sentient life. It’s still real.
I will admit to slightly sloppy thinking on the religion point. Most religions I am familiar do teach some form of polarity as far as I know. My knowledge of religion does not extend far enough for me to point out any that do not teach such polarity in some form, though I do think from what I know of Taoism that good/evil is not the polarity under discussion.
Though i do not agree with murder as i have respect all life in the universe ITS AN OPINION .
It may be an opinion, however sometimes all we have is opinion upon which to base important decisions. On this board our opinions only have importance to others as they are the main “face” of what others can see about us on the net.
In our lives our opinions are important to us as we do base a big proportion of our decisions on them. We have to believe that we are likely to be right most of the time for this to work, though most of us a flexible enough to deal with being wrong as this allows us to grow and learn.
Your opinion on murder is the same as most people I’ve ever spoken with and I think the vast majority of the world. The exceptions tend to be people who are a danger to society, so it’s not just a personal opinion, but possibly a near universal opinion that was strong enough to have laws created based upon it. That makes it very real.
you cannot say somethings right/wrong with it because you are one person in 6 billion. your voice will most likey never be heard so you should keep your opinions about something so divine as right/wrong to yourself
I can and I will. We all do on this board, we all do in our lives. You are a fool and a knave Sir, and I believe you are sadly mistaken in your attempt to tell me how to behave. You are being childish and asinine with this totally nonsensical statement. No where in this post do I suggest that you do the same. I do believe you should take more time in your replies however.
Occasionally somebody makes the right noise in the right place and things change. Yes it takes commitment, passion and a belief in themselves and the human race to do this. If it was true, mankind would be in caves still.
Thankfully I do not believe in keeping my opinions to myself except when prudent, something basic common sense tells me. In this instance it’s not only valid to challenge your extreme negativism but I believe almost imperative. History has shown time and again that one person can and will make a difference if they truly want to. So do not presume to believe that you have any right to request I keep my opinions to myself. That is simply and utterly stupid. You will not silence anyone with edicts. The only request I or perhaps any other reader on this board might make is that you make your arguments more coherent and complete.
Also whos to say that space/time is the only calculation in the universe , its what we've got now so deal with it. One can only go by the amount of knowledge in the universe, so why are u sitting on your behind. instead of trying to learn the finite amounts of knowledge on earth why arent you in a space program?? You could be the first person on Mars, and find some new kind of subtance that keeps mortals alive longer ( or something ) .”
Why aren’t you? Stupid question. One that did not require this length of an answer. What is so special about you that you feel you can ask this question out of nowhere?
There are obvious reasons why I am not in a space program or a scientific researcher. One is that I did not attempt to choose those paths in life. As for why, why do any of us choose the paths that we do. Another is that for these two paths you suggest I’m simply not quite that intelligent at this time.
What are you attempting to imply by this question? It sounds like you wish to judge me or is this aimed in general. Either way it’s judgemental and not very bright.
How was time created? What evidence do you have?" my friend there is only a few logical answers for this question.
Only a few? Is logic the only tool in your toolbar? If so, you need some more and also you might want to consider sharpening this one.
1: a "creator" created space/time but once time has started nothing can enter or leave time .
The first half of this is fine, but I do not understand how you reach the conclusion that nothing can enter or leave. There is no foundation for this assertation at all.
You appear to be implying you have a full and deep understanding of the complete structure of space time to know this. Which is not possible. Current theories in physics suggest many possibilities including higher dimensions and wormholes. I won’t bore the thread by listing out all the current theories, besides right now I’d have to actually go and find you some links and references. Something I’m sure you can do for yourself.
2: the big bang ( sounds bogus to me) something out of nothing just doesnt fit. look at it this way, how could a massive explosion happen from nothing?? it takes splitting atoms to create such a thing . arent atoms some sort of matter/energy but this is flawed because energy cannot be created nor destroyed . Time is nothing more than a calculation that we are ALL doomed by this being said , i hope it clears up anything , doubts in your mind about time/space that you are having
The big bang theory is a model, a best fit based on the data we have. No-one has claimed it is the only truth, only the best we have based on current evidence. This is how most investigations are performed, trying to work out what happened from the remaining evidence. Splitting atoms, fusing atoms, anti-matter/matter annihilation are some ways to generate energy from given mass.
You are correct on one statement that is the fact that within this universe that we can observe, the rule does seem to be that you cannot create/destroy energy. However, we don’t know exactly what was here before the big bang. Had the universe collapsed into an immensely dense near point mass and then exploded? Does it go in cycles, if so what medium does our universe rest in.
Is there evidence of a greater continuum outside this one. So far the best model is that this is likely but no one is claiming any certainty on this.
However please try to order your main argument and additional arguments with some thought to logical progression. If you can maintain a full train of thought, a decent thread of argument, it would be simpler to answer your posts in a more thorough manner.
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