Finding truth and trusting (I think)

[mrjoshua]

First thread, don't want to offend anyone..

Firstly, I have no official religion, so I'm not trying to preach, I delve into alot of things, including religion(s) but also basics like astral travel, a complicated thing.

The below is not a new concept but one I have to remind myself of alot to feel complete after I feel like my spiritual constitution has been dissected by experience and words from many different people, alot of it true.
So maybe it can be of use to you.

Everyone has different view of the world and here is the place we express some of it in words. Words just give people a snippet of what a person believes and what emotions, experiences and thoughts have led them there.

Religions of all kinds were developed by humans for the purpose of categorizing life, so we can make a narrow substitute for an infinite truth. This is so we can feel a bit more secure in life believing in our snippet of the truth.
Through both negative pride and insecurity, some religions(people) may hinder learning, like the "If it was not written, it cannot be true" attitude.
Conversely, associating religions with a negative image or emotion will will hinder people from learning more truth. It is best to be open. What does open mean?

No one can really know the whole truth about the history of the universe and whether we believe/accept it or not, we are all in the same game, not one of us is better than the other.

There is only one thing I believe without doubt: All of these names for the great spirit/god/El/Allah (whatever it be in your language) refer to the same thing. The closest English word is love  (although English linguists have combined many meanings into one word, you pick the right one).
Beliefs and religions evolve, love does not, love is an intelligent being that rules the universe and helps us to progress.

To learn more we shouldn't be afraid of feeling like we have a "weak" mind or feeling like actually know less than we think. We need to become like a child (This is not the first time this has been said), absorb and observe. Surely you trust in love enough to believe you will not be led astray, because trusting in love and devoting yourself to it will ensure that you will not be ensnared by "evil" beliefs or become "brainwashed" by a religion/cult, if that is your worry while you are on this journey that has lead you to this forum. Its great to think about what this means.
Think you can't feel love? don't worry it is within you and everyone else, you will realize/find it, I've been there for a long time(years).

OK, that's my first snippet, sounds simple, redundant, unromantic to me , like I have long hair and own a Hessian bag. Cheers.

Thank you if you have taken the above in, reply please. Be objective with what is said by anyone and believe what you want, but to get warmer you have to trust love first.

[slernman]

If one follows emotion as you have described then there is no room for logic in ones life. I think of life as my own and not just endless wondering of emotion. I believe I control my life for better or worse in the decisions that I make; those designs are made by myself not through blind emotion but rather through intellect and understanding I myself have achieved through my own experience of my life.

[mrjoshua]

I agree.

[Wandering Indigo]

It sounds like you have some of the basics of real Christianity down. Please ignore all mass-oriented pagan approaches toward it(commonly found in "churches" of all types) and focus on the major points I can recall at the moment(there is an intricate set of lifestyle points to digest in the New Testament, but do so very carefully as you are prone to try to understand it with faulty hardware-known as the carnal or "physical" mind.). 1) Seek understanding and always try to expand your knowledge. 2) unconditionally love all humans, as though they are family, each and every one(this doesn't mean let someone kick your butt... any sibling would fight back tooth and nail with someone muscling them around... maybe even give them a talking to using "tough love" to teach them right) 3) Focus never on negative thoughs but instead on positive ones. "What can I learn from this mistake that caused a national disaster?" for example, instead of something horribly negative like "oh man I really messed up and now I really hate myself." Eliminate the negative from situations not by pretending its not there but by refusing to acknowledge it until it's addressed by someone else. At that moment, address it in a positive, warm, joyous "oops, it won't happen again, so let's learn from it!" attitude. This will immensely improve your life in all degrees. 4) your mouth is a very powerful thing. It has the power to kill or save, to heal or destroy, to help or injure. Remember that despite the world's simple and mindless view, the spoken word is the most powerful thing in existence, moreso than any physical weapon, moreso than any gun or bomb(nuclear or otherwise).  Watch yourself, be careful what you believe, and always ask for confirmation on anything you're uneasy about(I mean from God). Good luck and have fun!

[Gandalf]

Profound... simply profound stuff from Indigo there  

for such an 'enlightened' guy he shows an incredible amount of sectarian hatred for 'pagan' catholisism. As for your general point that you can't kill an idea, I would agree, so would Al'Queda: pity someone forgot to tell George Bush and the people who voted for him.

[Wandering Indigo]

True, I bear a hatred, but not for catholicism specifically. I bear it for negative-style thought orientations, my primary irk being with the catholics currently. They caught my angst simply because they are a mass-manipulative thought police geared organization bent on world domination and extravagant living at the expense of all possible followers. They alone do not irk me. The thought style of such men as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Churchill, Sun Yung Moon, Mao, Mohammed and many other psychoterrorists with a huge ego and the charisma to make their perverse dreams happen are my prime irritants on this temporary plane of existence. They infect the populace with confusion and insanity, then lead them by the nose for lack of ability to mentally function due to the traumatization caused in younger years by media devices designed to pour programming into them at lightspeed, which are manipulated by a committee of psychologists and sociologists with the agenda of programming thoughtstyles, or "teaching them WHAT to think, not HOW to think, and when to think it". I loathe psychoimprisonment. I hate hypnosis-induced control patterns(I had to rid myself of several of these lately, with no assistance. I was successful). I hate not people in general, but the near-miss of the truth that I see constantly forming as a tumorous growth in everyday life. In fact, I have witnessed and analyzed and done math to such a degree using my subconscious mind to do all the real labor(all the intensive thinking) that it has taken over 80 years of non-stop DIRECT influence by deceptive people with specific agendas for mass control patterns(worldwide, but mainly in Britain(its stem nowadays), Europe and North America) to have such decay as I have witnessed in today's generations. Al-Qaued is a branch of the US CIA. I kid you not. 9/11 was planned 2 years in advance. The buildings were pro-demolitioned and the gold bars removed on 9/10. WW3 is on the same agenda, as is a Draft for the USA. I'll not mention when or how I got the info, or where you can risk your life getting it(as I'm sure you're not as experienced in datasnatch as I am, and it's not online), so please don't ask. 9/11 was declassified, and not by the idiot michael moore. Katrina was so emphasized(it was created using HAARP. I did the math. It works. It is not a normal hurricane, and it cannot have done what it did with the currents moving globally as they were. It was 100% man-made.) that 9/11 slid right on by with not even so much as a whimper being heard. Thanks mass-media. I hate the control system I have to live in. This planet should be doomed, doomed to reform and complete restoration as it currently is. Please notify me if anyone can teach me Chronokinesis. I will find it vital to my lifestyle and work.

[Rob]

Hmm, interesting.

"It is not a normal hurricane, and it cannot have done what it did with the currents moving globally as they were. It was 100% man-made"

Please go further into this for me - I am pretty hip on weather manipulation techniques and HAARP stuff, so we should be able to converse on a reasonable level about this. I have heard that Katrina made a 90deg turn before hitting mainland, is this what you are referring to? PM me if you prefer - we are somewhat "off topic" here.


Rob

[Gandalf]

I have heard a bit about HAARP. This this still an ongoing project?

Doug

[Wandering Indigo]

HAARP was recently added onto(It's a permanently ongoing project, as it has interstellar and later transdimensional applications), as of 2004 when it got a $30mil grant from the gov't to expand the tower field, and regarding the hurricanes... have you wondered how a hurricane can STOP and STAY in ONE PLACE for a WEEK over the ocean on its own? Check out the one off Florida's coastline... odd. Plus, how can Antarctic pressure come through South African air currents over the equator directed precisely at the USA, after a few tweaks? Answer: It has never done this until the last 10 years. Not even thousands of years ago, the winds cannot do this due to pressure variances and the issue of high pressure migration across a higher pressure area, while retaining its cold nature... There's also the chemical factor. Ever since the 1940's, we've noticed white planes making clouds at high altitudes. This has never been to replenish the Ozone(as the Idiot Box--TV-- claimed it to be when letters were sent to the government in the 1940's and 50's). Why are Barium(chemtrails.com link - someone grabbed a HEPA filter and hung it on a plane, flew in a chemical spray, landed and tested it. If the link is gone -damn CIA..- try using Google) and other chemicals beign dumped on us EVERY DAY? I wonder... and why are our TV programs all geared toward a specific idea or pattern every year or two, most stations changing at the same time? Why are we being opressed further and further every month, and why are nameless bills being passed with no public notification? We're more than twice overdue for a revolution(every 40 years, according to a former patriotic leader whose name escapes me right now)... I think one will happen if the American Government keeps going after opium and oil instead of criminals. My honest opinion? The Gov't is a puppetshow, with the real power being the Freemasonic Order(which includes many orders beneath it, much like an umbrella corporation) and the Illuminati, the ones I ache and yearn to wipe off the face of this Earth to stop the flow of poison into the veins of Earth's people. I feel alone in this knowledge and will likely only come to realize how the world hurts for a revolution when it starts. The important figures to watch out for are the Head of Rome(puppet supreme, with lucifer enthroned into him upon acceptance of Popery) and the Head of Britain(the head of the Illuminati... and a reptile half-breed... check the DNA).
      I continue to see things I should not be able to see and go places I never knew existed. I usually find out about the places I saw later on as I glimpse a photo or postcard of them, or about the things I saw by a news snippet or by it happening right in front of me. I think I'm Remote Viewing, but I don't know how to control it. Please suggest anything that might help? BTW-this topic may need to be split into several more threads, moderator.  

[malganis]

i found these articles about HAARP.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/weathercontrol/pandora.htm

http://www.viewzone.com/haarp00.html

http://www.freedomdomain.com/weather.html with more links

[Wandering Indigo]

www.cheniere.org is where I first learned that more than the USA have scalar EM weapons. http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/011605.htm is a letter that states flaws in EE field "theory". I looked for the debriefing on Scalar Electromagnetic Weaponry, but decided that instead of spending more than a half hour on it(I've run around the net for 30 minutes now) I'd better get to bed, as I have been exhausted of late and need to run the recieving dock tomorrow, as the man "in charge" has cooked his brain by using his cellphone too much over a long period of time. Protien leakeage and a cooked hippocampus and cerebellum, not to mention extensive microwave-related hemorrhaging(cellphones are microwave generators, people!!! So are Wireless Network Transmitters, but the WNT's are almost as potent as a microwave you cook food in. The one you cook food in bounces the radiation around, the WTN's don't, so you don't heat up near as fast, you just cook evenly.) have caused his IQ to sink below the acceptably stupid mark and I have to naturally compensate for his lack of ability to think, despite me being the newest employee on the crew(2 months!). Yay. Goodnight all!

[Neutrino4344]

are you guys confused? why live your life by feelings and emotions instead of Jesus?

[NickJW]

Well if you live your life without feelings and emotions, you will become a very logical thinker. Therefore you would never believe in Jesus without emotions.

[MindFreak]

Also, Not everyone follows Jesus. Not everyone is christian. Not everyone believes the bible. I for one live my life by the Buddha, not jesus.

[cosmicbuffet]

First thread, don't want to offend anyone..

Firstly, I have no official religion, so I'm not trying to preach, I delve into alot of things, including religion(s) but also basics like astral travel, a complicated thing.

The below is not a new concept but one I have to remind myself of alot to feel complete after I feel like my spiritual constitution has been dissected by experience and words from many different people, alot of it true.
So maybe it can be of use to you.

Everyone has different view of the world and here is the place we express some of it in words. Words just give people a snippet of what a person believes and what emotions, experiences and thoughts have led them there.

Religions of all kinds were developed by humans for the purpose of categorizing life, so we can make a narrow substitute for an infinite truth. This is so we can feel a bit more secure in life believing in our snippet of the truth.
Through both negative pride and insecurity, some religions(people) may hinder learning, like the "If it was not written, it cannot be true" attitude.
Conversely, associating religions with a negative image or emotion will will hinder people from learning more truth. It is best to be open. What does open mean?

No one can really know the whole truth about the history of the universe and whether we believe/accept it or not, we are all in the same game, not one of us is better than the other.

There is only one thing I believe without doubt: All of these names for the great spirit/god/El/Allah (whatever it be in your language) refer to the same thing. The closest English word is love  (although English linguists have combined many meanings into one word, you pick the right one).
Beliefs and religions evolve, love does not, love is an intelligent being that rules the universe and helps us to progress.

To learn more we shouldn't be afraid of feeling like we have a "weak" mind or feeling like actually know less than we think. We need to become like a child (This is not the first time this has been said), absorb and observe. Surely you trust in love enough to believe you will not be led astray, because trusting in love and devoting yourself to it will ensure that you will not be ensnared by "evil" beliefs or become "brainwashed" by a religion/cult, if that is your worry while you are on this journey that has lead you to this forum. Its great to think about what this means.
Think you can't feel love? don't worry it is within you and everyone else, you will realize/find it, I've been there for a long time(years).

OK, that's my first snippet, sounds simple, redundant, unromantic to me , like I have long hair and own a Hessian bag. Cheers.

Thank you if you have taken the above in, reply please. Be objective with what is said by anyone and believe what you want, but to get warmer you have to trust love first.

Thank you for posting this, I used to be on AP quite a bit under the username "Lighthouse and have just come back to see what's up.  I love your topic and would like to address some things from my pov.  I wanted to bring the topic back around to the original post because I feel the topic has gotten a bit sticky.

First, there is no relative truth, there is only Absolute Truth, which as you describe is Love.  Love and Truth are just different ways of expressing that which is all, or another word for God.  Secondly, there is no doctrine, person, book, theology or philosophy that can teach you Truth, it is all within.

I think it is funny that someone just mentioned following Jesus, this person obviously buys into the notion that someone other than themselves has the answers.  Jesus taught to go within and that we all have the same power as him.  The reason Jesus was so powerful was because he was in a constant state of meditation and prayer.   He knew that the guidance he got from within was from his source.  He never doubted his inner guidance and trusted it.  This is the same source that is within all of us this is who we really are, yet we would rather listen to someone else's interpretation of truth rather than our own.  

We tend to get stuck on "the rules."  Jesus was a radical in his time.  He totally went against the grain and allowed nobody to tell him his truth.  He always went within and like a child, trusted the inner wisdom and intuition as the sole guide in his life.  Over and over again, he told his disciples that they only need to have faith and know and they would do the same things as him and greater.  This was his message to everyone, but nobody believed him... what a bunch of people stuck in their beliefs.

When Jesus said, "upon this rock I will build my church,"  He didn't mean to build some structure, he meant that he was against organized religion and upon the rocks and the earth, where there e was no formality would he build his church.  The church is within, this is what Jesus taught and we have adulterated it and created idolatry around the figure Jesus rather than looking within for our Truth as Jesus taught us.  

We don't trust our longings and passions, believing that society or the church or the law has the answers for us.  We carry our beliefs like badges on our sleeves, yet every belief we have that has been handed to us is best discarded (most if not all of our beliefs have been handed to us.)  We were all perfectly created by the same source as Jesus and like a big brother, he showed us the way.  He taught us who we are and as a brother, he was not superior to us, he was just the first to walk the path to Truth.  

We all appear different because we all have a different perspective... but underneath, we are the same, we are all Love, Truth, God.  Trusting our inner dictates is the path to truth.  No book, religion, person, theology or philosophy will lead you to truth... you will only find it within your own being.