No, it's not love, and I'm not saying that as a goody good, and I am saying that as a person who's life has been ruined (and nearly killed) by someone else's remote influencing (and with all due respect), I'm highly doubting that you were talking to God.
Love is about Give and receive, not the give and take model most people think of it as. Do we all have access to the power you have, and if we do, would you like it if I made you trip deliberately, received money from your wallet, took your gold chain (I know you didn't keep the wallet or gold chain, but do you see my point). If we all have access to it, and we pursue it in the manner and reasons you are, what would we become? A planet of leeches, taking what we want regardless of the consequences? And what do you do when on the receiving end of the taking, retaliate? A world of endless taking and retaliation?
There are more important things in life than power. If you get a girlfriend in the manner you are describing, you'll have to have her feel your influence and nothing else. You'll have to destroy who and what is already there, and this is the voice of experience. You won't have a girlfriend, you'll have a child completely dependent on your every thought and decision, because the original person will be gone.
And last I heard, Hitler was in Hell state for everything he had done. Bliss is not what I describe his current experience as, although the Creator has not forgotten about him either.
Who the hell are you really talking to,...and there is nothing you have described so far that a 6D neg or archdemon couldn't do. Good and evil isn't separated by the ability to astral project or channel or have special powers it is separated by the content of the heart and capacity to see others as a part of creation.
Consequences aren't always immediately punished, the reason for this is because we have free will and we are supposed to make an effort to feel our situations out, weigh values and make priorities and do likewise when interacting with others. It's our responsibility, and just because you think you are getting away with it now does not there will be no payment later. It's not God's job to take responsiblity for you, it's yours.
of course it's not ok.
~kakkarot
Yes, it was God im communicating with. Not some evil force your weak imaginations have made up.
I have never EVER come under a neg attack. Always perfection. I have never suffered punishment.
How can the universe contradict itself? Your neg belief is certainly flawed.
good luck on your attempts to become a god, Im sure they're going to be many more tests for you to overcome, and just so you know , there is a difference between good and evil, and thats why you felt guilty,
its a good thing you returned the wallet and chain, that was definatly a test,
you need to seek a state of non-want, if you desire nothing you will become free of your earthly shackles.
as for getting a girlfriend, there is someone for you, but if you are seeking a girl to be "seen" with,
plus everyone has there own free will, no matter how charismatic or charming you might be,
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Always perfection. I have never suffered punishment.
How can the universe contradict itself? Your neg belief is certainly flawed.
look up "SIDDHA" or "SIDDHI"
How can the universe contradict itself, assuming I am understanding your thinking correctly?
Because two people can have different points of view that have to be respected at the "same time" by making compromises and value/priority organizations.
One does not always have to fall by the wayside for the other to exist, so two opposing, conflicting situations can exist simultaneously at once. Like I said, consequences aren't always delivered on the spot, but they do catch up eventually.
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Originally posted by blueflame
Yes, it was God im communicating with. Not some evil force your weak imaginations have made up.
I have never EVER come under a neg attack. Always perfection. I have never suffered punishment.
How can the universe contradict itself? Your neg belief is certainly flawed.
Try again "kid"
I have heard a lot of different things from a lot of different people when they say that they have a connection with God or that God has opened to them fully, etc. Some say "there is no good or bad." Others say "God is pure light and love." I say "God is everything and everyone." Some say that if you know god's name, you can control him. He has never told anyone his name. He only says (according to the Bible) "I am that I am." No one can understand God. All I can understand is the world in which I live, and even then, it is sometimes not clear. So I act in accordance with the world that I would like to live in someday.
The meaning of life is live. Live your life and you have the meaning you need. You will figure out your purpose and what you are supposed to do. As far as negs go, if I don't want something stealing my energy, for instance, I'll get rid of it in whatever way necessary. But I will not do more than what is necessary. Balance must be maintained, in the physical at the very least. The physical is the vertex at which all other planes meet. Therefore, one should maintain a balance on all planes of existence (there goes my Taoist thinking).
I heard that hitler is in the center of the earth with "THE OLD ONES"
ahhhh! aryan nation pilots control ufo!
my nose is running! won't you please catch it?
And my medication is running out! I HATE THE PADDED ROOM AND THE UNCOMFORTABLE BACKWARDS JACKET!
this insane ramble has been sponsored by "usless arguments"
"the best arguments you can ever get into are the ones that never end"
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Originally posted by EnderWiggin
I have heard a lot of different things from a lot of different people when they say that they have a connection with God or that God has opened to them fully, etc. Some say "there is no good or bad." Others say "God is pure light and love." I say "God is everything and everyone." Some say that if you know god's name, you can control him. He has never told anyone his name. He only says (according to the Bible) "I am that I am." No one can understand God. All I can understand is the world in which I live, and even then, it is sometimes not clear. So I act in accordance with the world that I would like to live in someday.
The meaning of life is live. Live your life and you have the meaning you need. You will figure out your purpose and what you are supposed to do. As far as negs go, if I don't want something stealing my energy, for instance, I'll get rid of it in whatever way necessary. But I will not do more than what is necessary. Balance must be maintained, in the physical at the very least. The physical is the vertex at which all other planes meet. Therefore, one should maintain a balance on all planes of existence (there goes my Taoist thinking).
God is who God is not, as well as God is who he is."I am that I am" in that respect the bible is correct, since God is everything and nothing, his non-existance exists in some respects. Regarding these "planes of existance" you seem to be in error. Because being who you are not, does not express who you really are.
EnderWiggin, you are attempting to know something that you will never know, because to know everything means you are to know nothing in every possibility.
No matter what you do, you are moving in stillness. There is infinite amount of entities more advanced than you, yet there is an infinite less advanced than you. So ender, you can't just enter a plane of existance. You are forever more in your current plane of existance in the enternal now. What you are now is who you really are. Unless you move, into something that which you are not. Which can either serve you, or not server you in the experience of who you really are.
This balance you speak of, is also incorrect. As what needs balance and that which surrounds it is one. So you either balance the whole or not.
I am not sure why you have chosen to post this topic. If you know God, then what made you post here? Your imperfections? It is pointless for you to post this here. Perhaps you are not yet secure with your own beliefs and so you feel a need to get feedback from others, which is understandable.
I stand by my beliefs, as being told that I am incorrect will not prove to me that my beliefs are incorrect. Life has proven my beliefs to be correct. It is in life that I find my answers, and I do not see how I can be incorrect unless my life proves to me that I am incorrect. Therefore, to argue that I am incorrect has no meaning to me, unless supported by factual information.
One must use logic to put forth a valid argument, and I do not see the logic or reasoning of this argument which you have put forth. If you wouldn't mind explaining yourself further, I would like to know the purpose behind your post.
As for my argument, I argue that balance does exist. I base this on many things, including the correct proportionate mixtures of pigments to make certain colors, the correct proportions of sounds and beats to make a coherent and organized array of sounds that fall into rhythmic patterns, which cause a desired emotion within persons of a specified culture, the outcome of which we call music, and I base it on the argument of emptiness and fullness (Yin and Yang). We are all one, yet at the same time, separate. We are not all only one mind. We are one mind and many minds at the same time.
Can you support your argument from tangible evidence? One cannot touch music, but our senses detect it. Our hands do not always touch color and light, but our eyes see it. What, then, do you base your argument on?
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Originally posted by EnderWiggin
I am not sure why you have chosen to post this topic. If you know God, then what made you post here? Your imperfections? It is pointless for you to post this here. Perhaps you are not yet secure with your own beliefs and so you feel a need to get feedback from others, which is understandable.
I stand by my beliefs, as being told that I am incorrect will not prove to me that my beliefs are incorrect. Life has proven my beliefs to be correct. It is in life that I find my answers, and I do not see how I can be incorrect unless my life proves to me that I am incorrect. Therefore, to argue that I am incorrect has no meaning to me, unless supported by factual information.
One must use logic to put forth a valid argument, and I do not see the logic or reasoning of this argument which you have put forth. If you wouldn't mind explaining yourself further, I would like to know the purpose behind your post.
As for my argument, I argue that balance does exist. I base this on many things, including the correct proportionate mixtures of pigments to make certain colors, the correct proportions of sounds and beats to make a coherent and organized array of sounds that fall into rhythmic patterns, which cause a desired emotion within persons of a specified culture, the outcome of which we call music, and I base it on the argument of emptiness and fullness (Yin and Yang). We are all one, yet at the same time, separate. We are not all only one mind. We are one mind and many minds at the same time.
Can you support your argument from tangible evidence? One cannot touch music, but our senses detect it. Our hands do not always touch color and light, but our eyes see it. What, then, do you base your argument on?
I would like to keep this on topic. If you must, I will explain. Yet what I explain you may not understand. If you think I am "unsecure" of my beliefs for asking third party opinions, you can keep thinking that, infact I hope you do.
[:)] I will explain.
You say balance exists.
Lets use color. If we see the color red, it doesn't mean that it is red. Infact infinite amount of possibilities can make it seem red.
I said, balance of the whole must be maintained. You said that balance of "something" in a perfect expression is balance due to its reaction.
For instance. When you see the color red. Red is the perfect mixture of multiple colors and bases. But red can be "red" or it can be everything other than red. What our eyes sense may not be what it actually is. If you would call the organization of red a balance. It is not. Rather red, may be unbalanced, because what you sense as a pefect complex of red, may actually be to the billionth of a pixel not red, but red-purple. Thus your "senses" and the "red" and the "light" and the billions of processes inbetween is unbalanced. So essentially it is a perfectly balanced, unbalance of sensations. Which means that there is no such thing as balance rather EVERYTHING is balance, again as I said, the whole must be balanced or you have no balance, thus it is impossible to not be unbalanced or you may be balanced to be unbalanced. Thus as I said the whole is balance, and never one or the other in any combination alone may be the balance. If it is a pure red, it is not. It is everything other than red, which appears red to you. Similar to my text. Is it the order of my letters that you read this? Or is it the order of the white that surrounds my letters that give you the understanding?
Red is red, and it is not. As well as it is and is not everything in between every color/texture and pixel.
So your understanding of balance is unbalanced. Yet it is perfectly balanced to be unbalanced. You are just giving a label to a piece of balanced which is unbalanced.
You can see the balance around the unbalance which you call red, or you can see the perfections around that which you call perfect which is red. But red is not red without everything other than red.
Im guessing you have no idea what I am speaking of. Its ok, because unbalanced people like you are proof to balanced people.
so, you create a topic to ask us if it's ok for you to get a girlfriend by forcing someone to like you, but in the other thread you say that there is no good or evil. if there is no good or evil, why ask if raping someone is ok?
because that's what you'd be doing: rape. forcing someone without them actually being willing. the cops could never bust you for it, but just because you can get away with it legally doesn't change that it is ethically/morally wrong.
so did you get some nagging feeling that prompted you to start this thread and ask the question? did you want to feel justified in what you're doing? what do you care about our little answers if you're in contact with God Himself?
"With great power comes great potential to abuse that power."
Power corrupts. don't forget to make sure that what you're doing truly is right, rather than taking the path of might makes right, the idea that just because you can do something means it's ok to do it.
~kakkarot
Was told good and bad no not exist, yet I still have that "nagging" as you say. It seems like I dont trust this source, yet it has never failed me.
But the guilt comes back...
This source sounds more like an evil being. I say this because it has the characteristics of what most people consider to be evil. It asks you to tell it what to do, it tells you there isn't good or evil. Yet if there is no good or evil, then how did the conceps come about? Evil and good do exist because we have had thoughts about them. Therefore they exist. In fact, everything that we can imagine exists.
By the way, I understand what you are saying, but again, you prove me right, because if red is the perfect balance of pigments that make red, or everything that it isn't, the outcome is still red. Therefore, the balance is still preserved, though it is simply much more complex, and my statement that balance exists remains supported by that fact.
I ask you once more... Why did you post this topic? How does us knowing what you said benefit anyone? And who does it benefit?
If you're looking for advice, here's mine: If I were you, I'd act in accordance with the world I wanted to live in. For example, If you want to live in a world with nice people in it, then be nice to others.
Kakkarot is right. If you were truly in contact with God, then you wouldn't need us. So what's the point of all this? I'd really like to know. Why is it you posted this and why do you argue with others about it? (note: argue does not imply hostility)
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It seems like I dont trust this source, yet it has never failed me.
No, hasn't failed you, looks like it failed just about everyone else, a kid got tripped, someone lost their wallet, another a gold chain, some chick might get raped...so how did you get that car.
God created all of us, not just you, and the behaviors and values this "source" seems to emphasize would be destructive to the whole of creation.
Ugh! How can you be so accepting and believing of something that you really don't know what it is!
In my case, I was fooled by the positive nature of my experience. Yes, the positivity, threw me for a few months, but my mind never stopped questioning what was going on. Nor did I ever freely accept whatever it was telling me! This gives it more power as you begin to trust that it will help you get what you want!
Realize that by seemingly giving you all the power and control you want, it is reinforcing a belief about itself within you? Can you not see that it is gaining greater control over you? That nagging feeling is your universal moral ethic and the greater mind warning that you are in too deep. As for using whatever it is to get what you want, well when the tables turn and it starts getting everything it wants from you because you are completely under its control, only then you might begin to understand.
PS Anything that tells you such things about God cannot be good. God is God and he does not answer to anyone! As for Hitler, well you're obviously very gullible to believe whatever it has told you. Again, positivity and offering the world was used on me, but from the first moment I doubted and that has kept me safe and under my own control.
Beware.
Under its control? lol. Sorry I wont be under its control, rather I control the universal forever more.
Due to all these responses that said its evil, and all these other beliefs of negs. I will just use my technology on women. Since I have recieved no valid arguments.
ehehehehe[:D]
Obviously, you don't really understand what's going on. You're in what I came to call the 'fog'. It's an intensely lucid, pleasant, powerful and positive place, isn't it. Such a wonder! Do you find it slightly addictive? Feel a daily growing craving to use and feel your power almost all the time? There are terrible things just outside the gates of the playground.
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Obviously, you don't really understand what's going on. You're in what I came to call the 'fog'. It's an intensely lucid, pleasant, powerful and positive place, isn't it. Such a wonder! Do you find it slightly addictive? Feel a daily growing craving to use and feel your power almost all the time? There are terrible things just outside the gates of the playground.
Iv used this power my whole life, I have just realized how to consistantly use it.
Its not some power your thinking of, its actually the universe following my commands.
The Universe follows EVERYONE'S commands, not just yours. I'd like to see you end the war in Iraq immediately, and have a stable and benevolent government come into power there. I'd also like to see you end world hunger and get rid of all the injustices in the world and make everyone happy. You should also stop the destruction of the environment. I highly doubt you are able to make all of these things happen. Oh, and if you do these things overnight, then I'll believe you. But until then, I take you to be quite dilusional.
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Originally posted by EnderWiggin
The Universe follows EVERYONE'S commands, not just yours. I'd like to see you end the war in Iraq immediately, and have a stable and benevolent government come into power there. I'd also like to see you end world hunger and get rid of all the injustices in the world and make everyone happy. You should also stop the destruction of the environment. I highly doubt you are able to make all of these things happen. Oh, and if you do these things overnight, then I'll believe you. But until then, I take you to be quite dilusional.
Why would I need to prove anything to you. I would have to control the minds of others to do this, wouldn't that be considered evil to you?
Those who suffer and are in war, or in any experience chose what they are to experience in life before they were born. So why would I have to change something perfect, by forcing them into something that they did not choose to be in, by forcing them against their will to experience something they do not want? That would contradict the point to planes of existance.
I also don't need you to believe me, infact the existance of your disbelief of me proves me more correct.
the first task needed to be done in order to turn a good person into an evil person is to convince the good person that good and evil don't exist. but your conscience is proof they do exist, cause why else would you have that nagging feeling if something inside of you didn't feel right about what you're doing?
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I also don't need you to believe me, infact the existance of your disbelief of me proves me more correct.
no it doesn't. it looks like you need to brush up on your logic while you're looking into mor(t)ality.
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I will just use my technology on women. Since I have recieved no valid arguments.
so you don't think you're raping them? or is that just not a "valid argument"?
~kakkarot
I dont have that nagging feeling anymore. I was told that good and bad do not exist. Maybe it applies only to me.
Regarding the technology on others, it wouldn't be rape. Maybe I would just like to be friends.
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Originally posted by blueflame
I dont have that nagging feeling anymore. I was told that good and bad do not exist. Maybe it applies only to me.
Regarding the technology on others, it wouldn't be rape. Maybe I would just like to be friends.
I would suggest that everyone leave this topic be, but I feel you have questions that need answering. (hint hint...)
Hmm.. blueflame is describing something of interest. However, man, I fail to see any response to Dark Knight who brought forward some good points?
I believe one can make the universe listen, and I certainly believe some individuals may be better in this than others.
Blueflame, you make the impression on me as a lone but omnipotent godhead. What happens if we all become like you? If I would ask the universe to get you bad grades and burn that Corvette of yours?
Or would I be under your command only? =)
What seems more plausible, you are very good at reality creation, maybe you found out the edges of physical existence, maybe it's time after you die to move on to higher 'realities'. I don't mean higher dimensions with physical-like attributes. I mean whole total differentness, even 'existence' is not there, but a whole different thing altogether. You think you are finished or something?
Ah well... we still like candy don't we.
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I believe one can make the universe listen, and I certainly believe some individuals may be better in this than others.
Yes, may I also point out that it is possible for the universe to force us to listen when we don't.
The creation we exist in functions on cooperation and recognition of other. When we fail in that recognition of other, we can expect consequences in some form to eventually head our way...not because someone is necessarily keeping tab on everything we do but because we are all connected and this is a cause and effect universe. Consequences mean something and are meant to be learned from.
Dark Knight
Firtst of all there is no such place as hell. Not a christian hell,jewish ,Norse hell or a hell state. It is only in the spirit world if you create it for yourself,or if you feel like you deserve to got to hell then you will create it once you are in the spirit world.
Secondly. I have had the spirit of Adolf Hitler visit me five times while I have been in deep trance. I saw no indication whatsoever he was being tormented by anything or anyone. Actually he looked as he did while his spirit was in a physical body.
It's not a spirit I wanted to visit me. He just appeared.
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Firtst of all there is no such place as hell. Not a christian hell,jewish ,Norse hell or a hell state. It is only in the spirit world if you create it for yourself,or if you feel like you deserve to got to hell then you will create it once you are in the spirit world.
What do you think I was talking about? And if you attract something unpleasant because of your attitude, don't think you're going to attract something unpleasant...and haven't you participated in that creation.
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Secondly. I have had the spirit of Adolf Hitler visit me five times while I have been in deep trance. I saw no indication whatsoever he was being tormented by anything or anyone. Actually he looked as he did while his spirit was in a physical body. It's not a spirit I wanted to visit me. He just appeared.
You'll please forgive me as my skeptic alarm automatically goes off when I hear the words "deep trance." How did you know it was really Adolf Hitler and not a thought form?
Thoughtforms can be very comvincing. Some can even feel as real as a person.
You actively need to create a thoughtform for it to exist for you.
I do not go into trance or meditations with the intent of actively creating thoughtorms.
Link to explain more about thoughtforms.
http://groups.msn.com/Covenstead/thoughtforms.msnw
All that link did was give information on how to create a thought form. That wasn't my question and my skeptic alarm is still blasting.
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Dark Knight
Secondly. I have had the spirit of Adolf Hitler visit me five times while I have been in deep trance. I saw no indication whatsoever he was being tormented by anything or anyone. Actually he looked as he did while his spirit was in a physical body.
It's not a spirit I wanted to visit me. He just appeared.
I don't think Hitler is going through fields of flowers and fluffie bunnies either. It is my belief you create your own hell when dead based on your memories.
Woe onto thee,
for the mind is a wonderful yet terrible thing. Wonderful, because it will allow you to create. Terrible, for it gives you no rest, no answers. Only questions... So many questions...
- So I question you, what is it that you truly want? You've wanted all the power in the world and now you have it. What now? Indulge in fantasies that become real? Saturate your desires? Lower your cerebral cortex into a pool of endorphine? Will that make you happy, or just make the pain go away? The pain, caused by the screaming vacuum in the centre of our souls.
So far you've filled this emptyness with your aspirations to rise above the crowd, but now at your vantage point, what do you see? The faces of those those you left behind, frightened eyes, staring back at you? Is that still what you want? To be alone? Do you really think solitude is freedom?
Don't you want all these questions to go away? They reflect your emptyness, pointing at it.
A mirror is all the mind is. A mirror of yourself.
So what do you truly want? What is your true will?
A mirror image is an illusion it always is. Before you can find your answers you must stop lying to yourself. That is the true law of Karma.
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the first task needed to be done in order to turn a good person into an evil person is to convince the good person that good and evil don't exist.
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Originally posted by blueflame
I dont have that nagging feeling anymore. I was told that good and bad do not exist. Maybe it applies only to me.
as i said before, perhaps you should stop using your power and reflect on your life before going any further.
~kakkarot
Dark Knight.
I have created thoughtforms before ,and the spirit of Hitler did not feel like a thoughtform. When I first sensed him approaching, he felt like a living spirit.
I saw him a number of times,and I have not seen that spirit since I gave him the follwing message.
I am not religious,but the angels have told me redemption is for everyone. All a person has to do is ask for forgiveness.
This is what I told him when I saw him.
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I have created thoughtforms before ,and the spirit of Hitler did not feel like a thoughtform. When I first sensed him approaching, he felt like a living spirit. I saw him a number of times,and I have not seen that spirit since I gave him the follwing message.
What do you mean by "spirit"? Anyone can take on another person's qualities. Sorry, I've had too many bad experiences with magic practitioners and I still want something even more specific.
I also believe in redemption, but forgiveness is something God gives so we overcome our flaws, ourselves, and that can take quite a long time. And if you would like me to explain to you in detail what it feels like to have all you boundaries annihilated and be forced to face your flaws with no sense of anything supporting you (whether it is there or not)...that is hell.
I am part of a group of teenage mind researchers. We have seeked the God mind, where all the conscious minds become combined.
I wanted to OBE, now I do them multiple times per day, Iv probably had thousands of OBEs. I wanted more.
I tried the kinesis, now I can move whatever I want.
I tried psychic attacks, lets put it this way, Its affected almost everyone I tried it on.
Yet I still wanted more. I wanted the golden key to getting anything I wanted. I wanted unlimited access to Gods power and universal control. I recieved a very secret technique, where I can implement visions into reality. With this key, I could at will connect with the head of the universe.
I was afraid. I asked God for assistance. Then something beyond happened. I was told that the world is mine and there are no rules unless I command it so. Then I asked God if I could ask him something, then he told me not to ask. He said I am to command God what to do and anything and God will do it.
Before I went on my spree of power. I was told that Karma doesn't exist, good and bad don't exist. Then I asked, well if bad doesn't exist what about Hitler. He told me that Hitler went to heaven and that what he did wasn't bad. Very scared, I went to sleep.
The next day, I commanded instant results for my instant visions. I looked at a kid, and said fall. He slipped on a piece of paper in the hallway and fell. I felt guilty, then I went to class. Started to read in my book. Inside I read the words "keep going" How could God who knows everything let me do this, unless there really was no such thing as good and bad.
At first I asked for money, I sit in my programming class, look under my chair and I see a wallet. Inside about $250. Could I steal it? No way. So I just gave it to the teacher. Next go to gym class, open up a random locker and find a gold chain inside hanging on the clothing hook. Gave it to the teacher. I was still "testing" these powers. This girl was selling candy, I didnt want to buy one. I turn around and my frined wrestles me into the corner, messing around. Then turns me around and pushes me away. Then the exact kind of chosen bag of candy gets tossed to me from the principal as I get pushed away. EVERYTHING I asked for was given to me.
Lighting quick awareness of surroundings happened, when I would speak it would be as if drop down menus with words appeared in my head.
I just bought a 04 corvette. Im going to college for free. Getting perfect grades in school.
Im asking if it is ok if I get a girlfriend? Will she really love me if I control her? Is it ok to sway her into having sex?