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Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MAGUS89 on May 02, 2004, 21:58:39
Yes! The method seems Very accurate. I can relate to my second Astral projection Session. I couldnt sleep And i tossed and turned and tried to until I wasnt comfortbale and I was hot and sweating i couldnt stand it so I forced my astral body to depart and it happened in 2 seoncds!

thanks for this methood
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Dream Cadet on May 02, 2004, 22:42:18
I may have to give this a try if something don't happen soon.  I am currently in a slump as well.  I was popping an average of 1 a week for awhile and now asquickly as they came, they disappeared!

D.C.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: BOATS on May 03, 2004, 00:14:55
If this fails join the Navy.  You will have many nights at sea trying to stay awake on watch while your mind ache's for sleep and you will begin to see visions.  Ha. Ha.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: AntiGravity on May 03, 2004, 03:48:35
I guess Ill give this a try, though I have school the rest of the week. Maybe Saturday night Ill give it a try. Trust me, no one will want me around if I havent slept almost all night [:(!].
If it doesnt work for some reason, then Ill just do my regular things until my next school break, Ill go back to this then.
Thanks for the method Tom!
[;)]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 03, 2004, 09:47:54
Hey all
I have been trying to get an OBE for some time now, but I always fell asleep because the most methods say "dont move, dont think about anything, relax ,..."

Now I've got one question about this method:

Can you move and think or will this "destroy" everything? Because the most methods say "dont move, dont think , ..."

This method could really help me if you dont have to have a free mind and if you can move ... Im not good at freeing my mind and its hard for me not to move when lying in bed ;)


thanks
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 03, 2004, 09:53:31
wow, that sounds good.. And how do u notice when "it" starts? Is it just like you look at your clock and see that 5 hours have passed and then think "its gonna happen now" and then it happens or how does this work/how will you notice that "it" starts?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 03, 2004, 10:05:09
So all I have to do is actually lie down, stay awake and then its all about waiting untill I feel myself drifting off and then do the 'rest'?

That doesn't sound too hard.. I guess I will try it Friday night

thanks for this method.. I will post my results after I did it :)
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 03, 2004, 10:12:14
hmm, ok, let me try to explain to myself this again [:D]

1) I lie down
2) I try to stay awake
3) everytime I feel myself drifting off, I pull me back
4) Then after some time I will drift off but I wont notice it.. I will just feel the vibrations and then I just have to go with them and get myself out (and stay awake)

is this correct?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 03, 2004, 10:17:28
ok, thats really simple

Thanks for your help, I will try it friday night [:)]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Mr.Swift on May 03, 2004, 10:41:02
Wait...So all you do is just go to bed about an hour or 2 earlier and stay awake as long as you can. Then you can't tell either your sleep or not then you start to feel vibrations. Then you just accept them and project?

That sounds EZ.[:D]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on May 03, 2004, 13:44:05
About 10 days ago i've had sleepless night. At 6.00am vibrations started,  and i've got a 5 second OOBE.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: JAW on May 04, 2004, 13:34:49
Hi Tom,
Im definitely going to have to try your method seeing as though (from previous posts) we seem to have a bit in common. Have you tried shortening the whole process by being more tired when you start out? Say for example if you get up at 9am, try get up at 6am, and if you normally go to sleep at 10, go to sleep at midnight, essentially cutting out a lot of sleep time. Surely that would make you more tired, and lying awake for 5 hours is maybe/kinda/sorta the same ish :D
The only thing Im hoping wont work against me is the extensive amount of experience Ive had pulling all nighters. I usually don't ever feel that tired and have trouble making myself go to sleep at a reasonable hour... its 5am now hehe.
Anyway, am keen to know if youve tried the sleep depravation thing!

Cheers
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: jc84corvette on May 04, 2004, 19:15:00
What? This is nothing like I ever heard before. I should try it some time when I don't have school.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Graupel on May 05, 2004, 01:33:56
How does this differ from Robert Bruce's idea about falling into a trance (sleep) while remaining awake?  Isn't it basically the same.. falling asleep consciously into the several stages of sleep (alpha, theta, delta, etc.)?  From what I can understand this is basically the same technique where you keep your mind focused but not as such to keep you awake in the beta state the entire night.

Will you eventually start to see hypnagogic imagery and hallucinations, and at that point you will feel unconsciousness setting in?

How do you "catch" yourself when you drift off to sleep.. do you just condition your mind to notice any sudden changes of thought or incoherence and then you re-affirm your intention to remain awake by thinking of something such as breathing or oobe.. and eventually everything will become clear again, yet you will be extremely close to the borderline sleep state and vibrations will set in?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 05, 2004, 06:55:52
I have one more question --> do your eyes have to be closed all time or can you open them sometimes?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: CptPicard on May 05, 2004, 15:37:49
Just a quick question from me...

In relation to MaDroX question! Does the eye have to be closed or can you sometimes open them.

My question is....... Can you have your eyes open through the whole experience...? The reason I ask this, is because the other day I couldn't sleep, so instead I decided to do some meditation whilst lying in bed so that I could clear my mind from the intention of sleeping. Anyways..... After about 20 minutes of meditation I started feeling quite sleepy but my eyes where wide open staring at the ceiling.  At this point my entire body started feeling vibrations, really heavy vibrations unlike I've ever experienced before.... Could this have been the start of an OBE...?
Unfortunately the vibrations stopped after about 2 minutes... probably because I wondered what the hell was happening to me. I was conscious of the entire experience... and my eyes were open the whole time.

Paul
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Phong on May 05, 2004, 18:35:18
A better use of those first five hours would be to, uh.. do something.

For instance, start on that website you were always thinking of creating. Or that artwork that constantly enters your mind. Cultivate a sense of impeccability, patience, and creativity. If you are afraid of "losing sleep," think of it as an experiment, but above all, trust your instincts. If you are tired and want to sleep, then sleep. Just as if you are hungry and want to eat, you should eat. Contemplate true sleepiness, as you would contemplate true hunger if you were on a diet.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: JAW on May 05, 2004, 22:42:06
We obviously have a goal here and if we choose to spend 5 hours on this then thats our choice. Some would say its more important trying to project than to do the things you mentioned. Doing whatever your body/mind tells you isn't always the best idea, like wanting to sleep on the job or ramming the driver in front of you for driving too slow :P

I find it odd that people link the hypnogogic images to the sleep border or to a stage of unconsciousness, because I always see these images only a couple of minutes into meditation, without fail. However Im not usually feeling that physically relaxed/heavy/etc when I get them...

My sleeping pattern is way out of whack at the moment, so I could possibly be trying your method this weekend as a means to reset my body clock :) Im kinda impatient though so not sure what my chances are. Maybe Ill try the "get real tired" mod to try and speed things, even if you're not sure it'll really help :)
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Graupel on May 06, 2004, 00:36:22
Through your experiments with falling asleep consciously and passing through the several stages of sleep (alpha, delta, theta), have any of you noticed what stage "unconsciousness" settles in, or wants to settle in?  Does it usually happen after the hypnagogic images fade, or during the hypnagogic images if your mind is unfocused?  

I'm thinking that if we can figure out exactly what stage "unconsciousness" settles in we can learn to recognize through our symptoms that the stage is getting near so that we can prepare for it in our minds and thus not let unconsciousness settle in.  What do you think?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Comokisadore on May 06, 2004, 07:44:40


I remember having sleep paralysis everytime I get insomnia,

I beleive unconciousness settles in when melatonin is released, melatonin makes your body feel weird, the effect cannot be explained in words.

I take some melatonin 3mg pills when I attempt to astral project at night and it works often, I get into the sleep paralysis state but from that, its hard for me to project.

Try taking melatonin with this techinque. But i doubt you would need it since your body produces enough anyways.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Graupel on May 06, 2004, 19:00:16
So when the hypnagogic imagery appears and thus you have entered into "dangerous territory" as far as keeping aware of your current consciousness as it passes through sevearal stages of sleep.. just be vigilant and aware that since the images have now appeared, try to passively watch them and know what is going on.. and perhaps even try to manipulate them with your mind if you can in order to keep it focused?

Usually you will start to feel an immediate sense of loosing consciousness while the hypnagogic images play out, and you just try to think of a thought to bring your mind back or say a mantra in your mind such as "i'm still awake"?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: JAW on May 06, 2004, 23:45:49
Thats interesting that you say you shouldn't stay in hypnogogic mode for long, I usually stay in it for 5-10-15 minutes and then it goes away on its own. I almost wonder if we're talking about the same thing? Its never a borderline to sleep or unconsciousness for me either, just lots of cool colours/glowing blobs/faces/flying things. I quite enjoy it :)
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: weagle on May 07, 2004, 00:20:27
how long did you last in the astral with this method and second how much aware were you in the astral?  last time i recalled astral projecting while going to sleep late at night when already tired i didn't last long and i did not have much control cause my mind was too tired.  I think the best chances i had was when sleeping 5hours and wakeup wash face stay awake 30mins doing awareness then going back to sleep keeping mind on one thing i would only be successful if i keep my mind on close to one thing and nothing else then you will realize you are falling asleep and still have your awareness.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: CptPicard on May 07, 2004, 06:35:19
Hello Major Tom,

I tried your method last night, but unfortunately I just couldn't resist the temptation to sleep... I was telling myself continiously to stay awake but I had an urge to sleep and rest my mind.... I dont think I have the will power.
I managed to stay awake for about an hour 1/2.

I will give it another go tonight though..

Paul
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Comokisadore on May 07, 2004, 06:43:47
I tried it last night, couldnt stay awake, even with my eyes open for an hour.

I felt this white flash in my head, I beleive if this white flash gets stronger, I would enter sleep paralysis.

Theirs alot of practice and research to be done on these states.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 07, 2004, 08:49:41
Ok, I will try it tonight.. But I have one more question:

How long can you remain in your astral body with this method? Are there limits when u use this method or is it just like all other methods that you stay astral untill you think about your body or something wakes you up?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 07, 2004, 09:24:59
What can I do to stay out as long as possible?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 07, 2004, 09:43:18
ok, thanks
one more question:
I heard that insomnia leads to hallucinations.. So are you sure this is a method to have a real OBE or is it just a hallucination?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: AntiGravity on May 08, 2004, 06:24:37
Well, I was attempting to try this last night, but I passed out. I had a rough day, and I knew there was no way I was gonna be able to stay up for 5 hours. Ill try it again tonight and tell you if it goes better.
Take care!
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Dream Cadet on May 08, 2004, 15:35:25
Major Tom and all who are practicing this stay awake method,

I think I have uncovered a cleverly concealed OBE buster. I usually OBE now by staying awake until it happens.  What I've found out is when I start getting close, I start trying to tell myself that I'm getting tired of trying. I tell myself that maybe I just should wait and try another time.  I have to overcome this "subtle self suggestion" several times before I start getting vibrations.

I believe this is a self defense mechanism as opposed to just getting bored with trying to OBE for 2 reasons.  

1. It has no real relevance to how long I've been trying. I got the feeling shortly after lying down on a few tries and the vibrations came quicker.

2.  It seems that the vibrations come at about the same time after I talk myself into hanging around a little longer.

When you start trying to talk your self into giving up, I suggest trying to ride it out through that suggestion at least three or four times and see what happens.

Good luck and I hope this helps,

D.C.  
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: LotusLegs on May 08, 2004, 20:15:20
Hey Major,

I understand what you mean by staying awake being the hardest part.  I tried last night, but I can't remember dozing off.  I'll try again to see what happens.

I've been doing energy work and meditation fairly regularly for about a year now.  Do you think that this method works well regardless of chakra development and such?

Tonight I plan on making myself a little more uncomfortable (at least for the first few hours) we'll see how that works.  I'll let you know what happens tommorow morning.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 09, 2004, 02:26:18
Ok, I tried this method Friday and Saturday night, but both times I fell asleep[:(]
But I had a nice OBE dream saturday night (which mad me think i really Astral projected [:(!]


well, I'll keep trying ;)
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Graupel on May 09, 2004, 03:36:29
So with this method it will bring the sleep border to "you" per se, as in you try to remain awake for as long as possible and eventually you WILL fall asleep consciously and the vibrations will occur?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Dream Cadet on May 09, 2004, 09:19:44
Hi All,

I am working on this method as well.  I didn't have much luck last night.  I fell asleep also.  I am trying to pay close attention to some of the details so I can relate them back when I OBE again.  I did get into a good trance and heard a couple of loud bangs this morning after fighting the subconcious urge to give up three times.  I finally gave in and got up because I thought everyone would be waiting on me. We do Mother's day early around here.  I'll keep you posted and good luck all.

D.C.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: thelou on May 09, 2004, 09:46:24
Hi Dream Cadet,

I really dig your sig.

Have your read this one yet?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11734

Thelou
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 09, 2004, 10:10:56
quote:
Originally posted by MajorTom

quote:
Originally posted by MaDroX

Ok, I tried this method Friday and Saturday night, but both times I fell asleep[:(]
But I had a nice OBE dream saturday night (which mad me think i really Astral projected [:(!]


well, I'll keep trying ;)


That's great Madrox. Not fully lucid while OBEing and experiencing it in a dream, but it gets pretty close.





What does it mean when you dream about having an OBE? I have been reading about OBEs since 5 weeks or so now and this was my first dream that made me think I'm having an OBE right now in my dream.. When I woke up I was like "what the hell, did I just project?"
But my answer was "no" because many things in that dream we're a bit too "crazy" (not exactly crazy, let's just say strange) .. But I can remember many things from that dream.. And I loved the ending, I think I never experienced such a great feeling in any dream ever:

I looked out of a window and I knew I'm in my astral body, so I could fly if I wanted.. So I just said to myself: "Hell ,yes, I want to fly"
then I just jumped out of that window and began to fly high in the sky looking down at all the houses.. That was just a GREAT feeling I will never forget.. It was wonderful
well, then after a few seconds of flying I fell down, the feeling vanished [:(] and then I can still remember I saw this text in front of me:

OBE Time: 4 minutes 58 seconds

well, yeah, whatever[:D]

another question:
When you project for real, can you fly out of a window high in the sky and look down at all the houses and everything just like I did in my dream? If yes, it would make me even more want to astral project.. I just can't forget that feeling, it was just great and I think it was very enormous for a dream

Can't wait to try this method again next weekend.. I will try as hard as i can[:D]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Dream Cadet on May 09, 2004, 10:13:31
thelou,

Thanks,

That thread is pretty interesting.  I do recall telling my wife that I dreamt that I was dreaming once but I don't recall the content.  You'd think that I would have remembered but I didn't.

I wonder what it would be like to dream that you were dreaming that you were dreaming that you were dreaming...[:o)][:P]

D.C.

Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 09, 2004, 10:26:14
quote:
Originally posted by MajorTom

Madrox: What does it mean when you dream about having an OBE? I have been reading about OBEs since 5 weeks or so now and this was my first dream that made me think I'm having an OBE right now in my dream.. When I woke up I was like "what the hell, did I just project?"
But my answer was "no" because many things in that dream we're a bit too "crazy" (not exactly crazy, let's just say strange) .. But I can remember many things from that dream.. And I loved the ending, I think I never experienced such a great feeling in any dream ever:

Me: I look at OBE dreams as actual OBE's with no lucidity. They tend to be different (more crazy things as you mention), since there appwears to be more interference from the dreaming mind that starts to bleed through in the experience. Eventually everyone makes up their own mind about the significance of these 'OBE dreams'.

The feeling you describe is very much an OBE feeling I think.



another question:
When you project for real, can you fly out of a window high in the sky and look down at all the houses and everything just like I did in my dream? If yes, it would make me even more want to astral project.. I just can't forget that feeling, it was just great and I think it was very enormous for a dream

Yep [:)]



ok, thanks :)

another sensation I had while dreaming (never had this before in a dream I think):

All the time, I felt cold shivers running down my back (so I had goose-flesh all the time)

Do you have an idea where they could have come from?
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: thelou on May 09, 2004, 10:29:18
Madrox,

The OBE's that I have had, I have only left my house one time.

I have been reading on and off for years about Astral Travel.  I would say it is quite possible that you did leave your body.  I think there is several levels in the dream stage.  Also there are several levels in the Astral stage.  It seems to me that there are a couple of levels where higher dream stage, and lower Astral stages overlap.  Where one is both dreaming and Astrally traveling at the same time.

That is what it sounds like happened to you.  Next time glance back at your bed to see if you are there also.  And you will know exactly what is going on.[:D]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: Dream Cadet on May 09, 2004, 10:38:33
MaDroX,

I have OBE'd twice when the event started out as a dream.  In one dream lying in bed with my wife (just lying there)[:I].  We were on display in front of a Walmart.  They had the little posts with the plastic chains around the area and people were standing out there just looking at us. I remember when I woke up how funny this seemed. At one point in the dream, I turned to say something to my wife and very intense vibrations went all through me. I knew I was about to exit. Next I was trying to get out of my body and something was covering me.  Then I heard a loud bang and I entered a formal gathering in which the people were waiting for me. A lady sitting at a table in a black dress with a red corsage said we have been expecting you.  They asked some questions that I could not remember when I got back.  There was no doubt this was an OBE.

Do you remember experiencing any sensations before exit?  I would not totally rule out an AP.  Especially if the dream environment changed in texture and clarity.


D.C.

Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 09, 2004, 10:43:16
quote:
Originally posted by MajorTom

quote:
Originally posted by MaDroX

Quote[another sensation I had while dreaming (never had this before in a dream I think):

All the time, I felt cold shivers running down my back (so I had goose-flesh all the time)

Do you have an idea where they could have come from?



Those sensations come very close in describing to my pre-exit sensations. I never have them during an OBE, but I think it's very significant you experienced them during the 'dream'



hmm, that sounds interesting.. Heh, I really can't wait until I try this again next weekend[:)]

thelou,
as far as I can remember that dream, I started in a underground station (<--subway) , so there was no chance for me to glance back at my bed [:D]

But I don't think this was a real OBE.. Because there was something dream-typical:

All the time in my dream (except when I flew out of the window[8)]) I was together with my sister, brother and a friend of my brother.. And before I went to bed I was walking in an underground station together with my sister, my brother and a friend of my brother[;)]
so my dream just 'remembered' that stuff and I dreamed it.. Of course there were maaaany differences, just like I was in my astral body.. although I don't know how it came that I knew i'm in my astral body.. I just knew it

Oh well, let's hope I will get out for real next weekend[:)]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 09, 2004, 10:49:10
quote:
Originally posted by Dream Cadet

MaDroX,

I have OBE'd twice when the event started out as a dream.  In one dream lying in bed with my wife (just lying there)[:I].  We were on display in front of a Walmart.  They had the little posts with the plastic chains around the area and people were standing out there just looking at us. I remember when I woke up how funny this seemed. At one point in the dream, I turned to say something to my wife and very intense vibrations went all through me. I knew I was about to exit. Next I was trying to get out of my body and something was covering me.  Then I heard a loud bang and I entered a formal gathering in which the people were waiting for me. A lady sitting at a table in a black dress with a red corsage said we have been expecting you.  They asked some questions that I could not remember when I got back.  There was no doubt this was an OBE.

Do you remember experiencing any sensations before exit?  I would not totally rule out an AP.  Especially if the dream environment changed in texture and clarity.


D.C.





The dream environment was very different.. When I flew in that dream, I know I flew over some of neighbour houses and there were other houses that are not there for real
and It was like I would jump out of a window of my house (maybe even out of the window in the room I sleep.. I'm not sure, but could be) and not out of a window of an underground station.. plus there is no underground station close to my house.. I don't know how it is when you astral project, so I actually can't say if it was a dream or not.. But somehow I would still say it was a dream[?]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: thelou on May 09, 2004, 16:35:22
MadroX wrote

quote:
All the time in my dream (except when I flew out of the window) I was together with my sister, brother and a friend of my brother.. And before I went to bed I was walking in an underground station together with my sister, my brother and a friend of my brother


Have you asked your sister or brother if they had any dreams that night? [:D] If not it would be interesting to find out if they had any dreams that were similar.  There are allot of discussions on other parts of this board where people talk about sharing dreams.
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: F411ingst4r on May 09, 2004, 21:01:48
Hey everyone,

I just started opening up to all this...I'm very excited about this OBE you are talking about Major Tom.  I think I will try it this Friday when I don't have school or work [;)].  However, I have a few questions:
What exactly happens during an OBE?
Is it dangerous in any way?
How do I get out of an OBE?

Thanks for the help!
-Tim
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: MaDroX on May 10, 2004, 06:11:39
quote:
Originally posted by thelou

MadroX wrote

quote:
All the time in my dream (except when I flew out of the window) I was together with my sister, brother and a friend of my brother.. And before I went to bed I was walking in an underground station together with my sister, my brother and a friend of my brother


Have you asked your sister or brother if they had any dreams that night? [:D] If not it would be interesting to find out if they had any dreams that were similar.  There are allot of discussions on other parts of this board where people talk about sharing dreams.



well, my brother told me that he dreamed that he was lying in his bed and almost had an OBE but didn't have one (by the way, he doesn't really believe in OBEs).. Could that have to do something with my dream?
I don't know about my sister, tho.. She doesn't even know about stuff like OBEs

by the way, I dreamed that my brother had an OBE as well and we were traveling together (with my sister and a friend of my brother.. But I can't remember if they were out of body aswell, but I know me and my brother were out of body)
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: thelou on May 10, 2004, 06:27:31
Way cool[8D]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: F411ingst4r on June 07, 2004, 21:34:35
cool, gonna have to try that after i graduate.  I would try now, but i got finals this week[xx(]
Title: Insomnia OBE method
Post by: F411ingst4r on June 26, 2004, 01:46:25
I think I had an OBE!!! I dunno...I'll tell all you guys the story...k so I was up really late...I don't even know what time it was...anyways, all of a sudden I'm flying...but it's not that stupid 'ooh im flying' crap.  It's like...imagine a pendulum swinging...that's what it was like.  Like I would start getting all this momentum as I went down, then I'd arc back up and lose the momentum.  So this went on all the way down the street.  It was wierd I could totally pick out distinct things (example: the store, the fire station, etc.) with a detail that I know I don't have in regular dreams.  I also DON'T REMEMBER WAKING UP OR FALLING ASLEEP. It was like, I dunno...BLAM you know?  Anyways, Major Tom or someone tell me whether or not this was an OBE or something else...