Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on December 12, 2002, 14:10:33
Post by: kakkarot on December 12, 2002, 14:10:33
wow. i'm surprised i missed this thread. especially since my name is right in the topic name.
well, sorry to disappoint you, but i don't believe everyone who says just anything, even if what they are saying somehow backs me up.
as to whether i changed the weather or not, only true experimentation will tell.
on an interesting and possibly relevant side note: calgary (the city i am living in right now) has only seen a few days of snow this winter so far and the temperatures have been staying at a(n almost) constant 10 Celcius high and about 1celcius low. this year, as opposed to almost every other year of my life, i REALLY don't want it to get cold. i am not actively trying to keep the temperature up, but i do find this to be rather strange. especially with the last amount of precipitation we got was the day after i started thinking that we should have a bit of rain. it started raining and then turned into snow on the second day of the precipitation. then it stopped after the third day of light precipitation.
kinda coincidental, no? :)
now, before any one replies, i am not claiming that i am behind this, but is it truly impossible that someone couldn't? especially with all the other things people are claiming to be able to do (like astral projection, use psi, use energy, etc)? :P
chew it over for a while.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
well, sorry to disappoint you, but i don't believe everyone who says just anything, even if what they are saying somehow backs me up.
as to whether i changed the weather or not, only true experimentation will tell.
on an interesting and possibly relevant side note: calgary (the city i am living in right now) has only seen a few days of snow this winter so far and the temperatures have been staying at a(n almost) constant 10 Celcius high and about 1celcius low. this year, as opposed to almost every other year of my life, i REALLY don't want it to get cold. i am not actively trying to keep the temperature up, but i do find this to be rather strange. especially with the last amount of precipitation we got was the day after i started thinking that we should have a bit of rain. it started raining and then turned into snow on the second day of the precipitation. then it stopped after the third day of light precipitation.
kinda coincidental, no? :)
now, before any one replies, i am not claiming that i am behind this, but is it truly impossible that someone couldn't? especially with all the other things people are claiming to be able to do (like astral projection, use psi, use energy, etc)? :P
chew it over for a while.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Fenris on December 12, 2002, 21:16:58
Post by: Fenris on December 12, 2002, 21:16:58
Hi Kakkarot
If we do not totally believe in our ability when it comes to the metaphysical and magic then everything is for nothing and you are just someone else who studies the occult. The step you take when you create total faith in yourself and the knowing that you can do something that other humans deem impossible is in fact not really that difficult when generations of others have done the same before you, and created paths and examples you can follow.
But when we believe that we are capable of something even societies most open minded scoff at, it's a lot harder to take that plunge of personal belief. Yes it may be downright impossible, and in believing you can change the weather you might be branded 'insane'. But as you say it is no more out-there than for example me saying I can create an artificial entity called a thought form to do my magical bidding on some intangible astral plane – using the power of my mind! The difference is there are thousands of people just like me who know they can do the same, which makes it easier to commit my self belief. When we are trying something without the same social support we are inclined to look at what we are doing as an experiment, and question ourselves as to if it is really working. But in doing so we are lacking self belief, which of course is totally essential to success (But there is a loophole to be found). It's a psychological risk to go out on your own like you are, but I would say you most probably have the right mind set to do it and not get burned, I doubt your faith in your ability is easily wavered.
kind regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
If we do not totally believe in our ability when it comes to the metaphysical and magic then everything is for nothing and you are just someone else who studies the occult. The step you take when you create total faith in yourself and the knowing that you can do something that other humans deem impossible is in fact not really that difficult when generations of others have done the same before you, and created paths and examples you can follow.
But when we believe that we are capable of something even societies most open minded scoff at, it's a lot harder to take that plunge of personal belief. Yes it may be downright impossible, and in believing you can change the weather you might be branded 'insane'. But as you say it is no more out-there than for example me saying I can create an artificial entity called a thought form to do my magical bidding on some intangible astral plane – using the power of my mind! The difference is there are thousands of people just like me who know they can do the same, which makes it easier to commit my self belief. When we are trying something without the same social support we are inclined to look at what we are doing as an experiment, and question ourselves as to if it is really working. But in doing so we are lacking self belief, which of course is totally essential to success (But there is a loophole to be found). It's a psychological risk to go out on your own like you are, but I would say you most probably have the right mind set to do it and not get burned, I doubt your faith in your ability is easily wavered.
kind regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on December 13, 2002, 00:06:09
Post by: alchimiste on December 13, 2002, 00:06:09
4 months to get a reply! that must be a record.
But did you check out HAARP?
"The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane?????"
But did you check out HAARP?
"The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane?????"
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: dovelady on December 13, 2002, 01:28:36
Post by: dovelady on December 13, 2002, 01:28:36
Hello all,
After reading this post about HAARP, i feel i should tell you all about an article i found on : the view zone. Just under the heading on the main page, there is an article by Dan Eden. It will amaze and frighten you. It is a very long article, but extremely worth the read. I stayed up all night reading it.
It is hard to accept that people or governments are so callous and uncaring that they could experiment like this.
dovelady/mary
pray for peace.
After reading this post about HAARP, i feel i should tell you all about an article i found on : the view zone. Just under the heading on the main page, there is an article by Dan Eden. It will amaze and frighten you. It is a very long article, but extremely worth the read. I stayed up all night reading it.
It is hard to accept that people or governments are so callous and uncaring that they could experiment like this.
dovelady/mary
pray for peace.
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Ides315 on December 13, 2002, 09:48:46
Post by: Ides315 on December 13, 2002, 09:48:46
Hey, fenris, and all.
Something that I have learned through personal experience is that your conscious mind does not really have to believe it is possible, as long as your subconscious knows it can be done. There are many people out there that are performing "magick", and wouldn't believe they have ever cast a spell.
So, is kakkarot influencing the weather?
Only he knows, but probably could not answer without some meditation. BTW weather manipulation is not REALLY uncommon (without going to any websites).
Best
Something that I have learned through personal experience is that your conscious mind does not really have to believe it is possible, as long as your subconscious knows it can be done. There are many people out there that are performing "magick", and wouldn't believe they have ever cast a spell.
So, is kakkarot influencing the weather?
Only he knows, but probably could not answer without some meditation. BTW weather manipulation is not REALLY uncommon (without going to any websites).
Best
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Chamos on December 13, 2002, 18:13:45
Post by: Chamos on December 13, 2002, 18:13:45
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Fenris on December 14, 2002, 03:14:43
Post by: Fenris on December 14, 2002, 03:14:43
Hi ya Ides
You have made a very important point, perhaps it would be more accurate than to put it that the potency and effectiveness of an intended magical ( yes there could be a better word ) act is increased greatly by ones belief in their ability to perform it – as this aids the would be magic worker to concentrate fully on the task, and to focus their will. However the same system used to perform an intended magical change in reality is available to and used constantly to SOME extent by every human mind. Do you think this could be expanded on at all? I love discussing the mechanics of magic, I hope there is a day when its workings are as just as scientifically understood in mainstream society as gravity. But for now it is up to those who seek the unknown to experiment with it, learn what our peers and those in the past have found, and discuss our findings.
best regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
You have made a very important point, perhaps it would be more accurate than to put it that the potency and effectiveness of an intended magical ( yes there could be a better word ) act is increased greatly by ones belief in their ability to perform it – as this aids the would be magic worker to concentrate fully on the task, and to focus their will. However the same system used to perform an intended magical change in reality is available to and used constantly to SOME extent by every human mind. Do you think this could be expanded on at all? I love discussing the mechanics of magic, I hope there is a day when its workings are as just as scientifically understood in mainstream society as gravity. But for now it is up to those who seek the unknown to experiment with it, learn what our peers and those in the past have found, and discuss our findings.
best regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on December 15, 2002, 15:11:57
Post by: kakkarot on December 15, 2002, 15:11:57
alchimeste: nope never went to the site. don't much care to, though either. oh well.
fenris: my faith in what i KNOW i can do is nearly impossible to make waver, but unless i KNOW that i can do something, then i always treat a situation as i possibly did it. that way i'm not fooling myself into believing that i am responsible for things that i might not be responisible for. belief may help focus ones attention and ability to force "things" to happen, but misplaced belief can cause psychological insanity. after all, one must have the power to be able to do something as well as (usually) believe it can be done in order to do something.
if i wished real hard that the world was going to be destroyed tomorrow, would it be? probably not. i don't have access to the power neccessary to do that. hence the need for learning and training: to become more powerful and to understand how to use (and when not to use) that power.
interesting to note: still no snow, even with quite a few ominous clouds passing by the city. but i'm betting that when i leave this friday to go home to Medicine Hat, this city is going to go through quite the snowstorm (no forecast as of yet to compare my prediction to). the almanac says that the normal high is -1Celcius and the low is -10Celcius for calgary today, while the forecast if +8Celcius and -3Celcius respectively (according to the weather page at www.calgarysun.com ).
now only time will tell. :)
dovelady: unfortunately, i have heard many stories about what governments are willing to do to humans. even the american government. 'tis truly sad.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
fenris: my faith in what i KNOW i can do is nearly impossible to make waver, but unless i KNOW that i can do something, then i always treat a situation as i possibly did it. that way i'm not fooling myself into believing that i am responsible for things that i might not be responisible for. belief may help focus ones attention and ability to force "things" to happen, but misplaced belief can cause psychological insanity. after all, one must have the power to be able to do something as well as (usually) believe it can be done in order to do something.
if i wished real hard that the world was going to be destroyed tomorrow, would it be? probably not. i don't have access to the power neccessary to do that. hence the need for learning and training: to become more powerful and to understand how to use (and when not to use) that power.
interesting to note: still no snow, even with quite a few ominous clouds passing by the city. but i'm betting that when i leave this friday to go home to Medicine Hat, this city is going to go through quite the snowstorm (no forecast as of yet to compare my prediction to). the almanac says that the normal high is -1Celcius and the low is -10Celcius for calgary today, while the forecast if +8Celcius and -3Celcius respectively (according to the weather page at www.calgarysun.com ).
now only time will tell. :)
dovelady: unfortunately, i have heard many stories about what governments are willing to do to humans. even the american government. 'tis truly sad.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Ides315 on December 15, 2002, 16:03:47
Post by: Ides315 on December 15, 2002, 16:03:47
Hey, Fenris
My post got zapped.
To me the secret seems to be in integrating all of your mind. The subconscious can do a lot, but it can do more if you are in control of it. Once your subconscious and your innerself are fully connected to the conscious mind, access to the higher self, and a lot more is immediately possible. My theory, anyway. Have you included Franz Bardon in your studies?
Best
My post got zapped.
To me the secret seems to be in integrating all of your mind. The subconscious can do a lot, but it can do more if you are in control of it. Once your subconscious and your innerself are fully connected to the conscious mind, access to the higher self, and a lot more is immediately possible. My theory, anyway. Have you included Franz Bardon in your studies?
Best
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on December 16, 2002, 15:16:37
Post by: kakkarot on December 16, 2002, 15:16:37
well, dang. looking out the window of the school i can see snow falling on the mountains some 500km west of calgary. that means that they will be coming to calgary (west winds). now, if they DO hit calgary, but DON'T hit the northeast of calgary (where i live) then i am going to conclude that i am indeed behind the messed up weather here, otherwise i will conclude that i am not. if they don't hit calgary at all, then looks like i'm still stuck guessing.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Fenris on December 16, 2002, 21:14:02
Post by: Fenris on December 16, 2002, 21:14:02
Hi Ides
My reply also got zapped, but hey if that is the biggest stress I have to deal with all day I cant complain.![]("http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif")
I started studying and practicing Wicca in my early teens, but it was only about a year or so ago that I decided to switch to ceremonial magic, so I'm not hugely well read yet. At the moment I'm working through Kraig's Modern Magick, and I have Regardie's A garden of Pomegranates and Levi's Transcendental Magic waiting when I finish. To be honest I don't know much about Bardon at all, do you recommend I include his work in my studies? From what I've found just now 'Initiation into Hermetics' seems to be the first book he published.
I am practicing the Middle Pillar Ritual, although the concept being bringing divinity into my lower selves, could it also be said that I am bringing my ego and my subconchous together? I mean are we really connecting to our higher self or our inner self.
regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
My reply also got zapped, but hey if that is the biggest stress I have to deal with all day I cant complain.
I started studying and practicing Wicca in my early teens, but it was only about a year or so ago that I decided to switch to ceremonial magic, so I'm not hugely well read yet. At the moment I'm working through Kraig's Modern Magick, and I have Regardie's A garden of Pomegranates and Levi's Transcendental Magic waiting when I finish. To be honest I don't know much about Bardon at all, do you recommend I include his work in my studies? From what I've found just now 'Initiation into Hermetics' seems to be the first book he published.
I am practicing the Middle Pillar Ritual, although the concept being bringing divinity into my lower selves, could it also be said that I am bringing my ego and my subconchous together? I mean are we really connecting to our higher self or our inner self.
regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on December 17, 2002, 02:07:23
Post by: alchimiste on December 17, 2002, 02:07:23
Fenris,
"I am practicing the Middle Pillar Ritual, although the concept being bringing divinity into my lower selves, could it also be said that I am bringing my ego and my subconchous together? I mean are we really connecting to our higher self or our inner self."
Please check out my posts on the "attacked on the astral plane" thread by Mathias Johnsson in this section. It explains what the MPR actually can do to you and it is not what you think!!!
Kakkarot;
"alchimeste: nope never went to the site. don't much care to, though either. oh well."
Information is knowledge, even if it is the wrong information, it lets you make choices, to know right from wrong, to decide by using the maximum amount of data. If you don't want to visit the site then thats up to you but to flipantly disregard it by your throw away, ego loaded comments is to say the least rude and disrespectful.
The most important quality to aquire on any spiritual, magical or other road is to be and remain humble...........you have a long way to go my friend.
Alchimiste
"I am practicing the Middle Pillar Ritual, although the concept being bringing divinity into my lower selves, could it also be said that I am bringing my ego and my subconchous together? I mean are we really connecting to our higher self or our inner self."
Please check out my posts on the "attacked on the astral plane" thread by Mathias Johnsson in this section. It explains what the MPR actually can do to you and it is not what you think!!!
Kakkarot;
"alchimeste: nope never went to the site. don't much care to, though either. oh well."
Information is knowledge, even if it is the wrong information, it lets you make choices, to know right from wrong, to decide by using the maximum amount of data. If you don't want to visit the site then thats up to you but to flipantly disregard it by your throw away, ego loaded comments is to say the least rude and disrespectful.
The most important quality to aquire on any spiritual, magical or other road is to be and remain humble...........you have a long way to go my friend.
Alchimiste
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Ides315 on December 17, 2002, 12:24:33
Post by: Ides315 on December 17, 2002, 12:24:33
Hey, Fenris
Check out what alchimiste said, it is worthwhile.
I have Modern Magick also, and think DMK did a nice job of getting someone rolling on a ceremonial path, and was wise enough to recomend that one expanded there search way past his writings. He stresses that a lot. I made it through several chapters of MM, before life distracted me. It still left me wanting something, it was not complete to me. IIH by Bardon is the first in four writings, and is the starting place. You can find a detail on this book at www.abardoncompanion.com, along with other good info on Bardon, his works, and the heremteic path in general.
Bardon's works would be the most recomended books I have read to date. and think IIH (Initiation into Hermetics) would be a excellent addition for you.
As far as inner self, your inner self is the real you, with the ego pushed aside, and all of the assumptions about how you should "be" ignored. Most all of the connections to the divine are through your higher self. (My thoughts anyway, comments welcome, though at this level it is more of a figure it out on your own thing.)
Check out what alchimiste said, it is worthwhile.
I have Modern Magick also, and think DMK did a nice job of getting someone rolling on a ceremonial path, and was wise enough to recomend that one expanded there search way past his writings. He stresses that a lot. I made it through several chapters of MM, before life distracted me. It still left me wanting something, it was not complete to me. IIH by Bardon is the first in four writings, and is the starting place. You can find a detail on this book at www.abardoncompanion.com, along with other good info on Bardon, his works, and the heremteic path in general.
Bardon's works would be the most recomended books I have read to date. and think IIH (Initiation into Hermetics) would be a excellent addition for you.
As far as inner self, your inner self is the real you, with the ego pushed aside, and all of the assumptions about how you should "be" ignored. Most all of the connections to the divine are through your higher self. (My thoughts anyway, comments welcome, though at this level it is more of a figure it out on your own thing.)
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Fenris on December 17, 2002, 23:30:05
Post by: Fenris on December 17, 2002, 23:30:05
Thanks very much Ides
I think I will deffinately take your advice on Bardon, the site also has mp3's that can be downloaded about how to vibrate words, Ive never heard another person do it before so its very useful , and thankyou for your personal answers to my questions.
regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
I think I will deffinately take your advice on Bardon, the site also has mp3's that can be downloaded about how to vibrate words, Ive never heard another person do it before so its very useful , and thankyou for your personal answers to my questions.
regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on December 18, 2002, 14:06:02
Post by: kakkarot on December 18, 2002, 14:06:02
i didn't mean to offend you alchimiste. i'm sorry. so if it makes you not so angry i'll go visit the sites, ok?.
weather update: still no snow. the snowstorm yesterday (or was it the day before? i forgot.) missed calgary. and there is no snow in the forecast. i am planning on forcing a huge snowstorm blizzard for the day after i leave, just to see if i can... ya know, to make it more christmassy and all. but then i keep thinking of all the people who will have to endure with that horrible horrible weather, and it makes me question my self: should i or shouldn't i? :)
one the one hand, it would be fun causing that much chaos, but then people get hurt with snow on the roads. it would make it more christmas-like, but maybe a bit too much so with a few feet of snow. :) so what do i do?
any one wanna give me good reasons why to try or not to try?
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
weather update: still no snow. the snowstorm yesterday (or was it the day before? i forgot.) missed calgary. and there is no snow in the forecast. i am planning on forcing a huge snowstorm blizzard for the day after i leave, just to see if i can... ya know, to make it more christmassy and all. but then i keep thinking of all the people who will have to endure with that horrible horrible weather, and it makes me question my self: should i or shouldn't i? :)
one the one hand, it would be fun causing that much chaos, but then people get hurt with snow on the roads. it would make it more christmas-like, but maybe a bit too much so with a few feet of snow. :) so what do i do?
any one wanna give me good reasons why to try or not to try?
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on December 18, 2002, 14:26:13
Post by: kakkarot on December 18, 2002, 14:26:13
ok alchimiste, i've been to http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ and http://www.haarp.net/.
the official haarp site claims that it is just looking for better communication.
the haarp.net site claims the gov would be using it for military purposes.
the haarp.net site quotes a lot of things that are supposedly from military and government documents and other sources, but cites absolutely nothing. this leads me to believe that they are just a bunch of wankers who have to have something to whine about and this is it. their site sounds just like every other "conspiracy" page out there:
(anywhere there is a slash, choose one option) "the gov/mil is developing such-and-such. they say they are using it for this, but they are lying to us and are actually using it to destroy us. they have been blatently lying to us, blah blah blah. they have been doing it for 40/50/150 years without us knowing so it has to be bad. we must stop them and hold them accountable blah blah blah. these official mil/gov documents/people declare that i am right (but i'm not gonna cite anything cause i'm actually just making it all up). mil/gov=bad."
and that is their entire site. this is why i don't bother going to such places, cause there is nothing to learn. i was not, and am not, insulting you alchimiste, or trying to be rude or disrespectful. i just don't go to biased sites when i am trying to learn things.
i sometimes think that is has never occured to such people as the ones running the haarp.net site that the military could actually want to develop something OTHER than weapons. after all, a good strategist knows that communication among troops is a huge key to winning wars by anticipating the enemy, curtailing the unexpected, and acting in a unified front. why WOULDN'T the military want to have better communication.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
the official haarp site claims that it is just looking for better communication.
the haarp.net site claims the gov would be using it for military purposes.
the haarp.net site quotes a lot of things that are supposedly from military and government documents and other sources, but cites absolutely nothing. this leads me to believe that they are just a bunch of wankers who have to have something to whine about and this is it. their site sounds just like every other "conspiracy" page out there:
(anywhere there is a slash, choose one option) "the gov/mil is developing such-and-such. they say they are using it for this, but they are lying to us and are actually using it to destroy us. they have been blatently lying to us, blah blah blah. they have been doing it for 40/50/150 years without us knowing so it has to be bad. we must stop them and hold them accountable blah blah blah. these official mil/gov documents/people declare that i am right (but i'm not gonna cite anything cause i'm actually just making it all up). mil/gov=bad."
and that is their entire site. this is why i don't bother going to such places, cause there is nothing to learn. i was not, and am not, insulting you alchimiste, or trying to be rude or disrespectful. i just don't go to biased sites when i am trying to learn things.
i sometimes think that is has never occured to such people as the ones running the haarp.net site that the military could actually want to develop something OTHER than weapons. after all, a good strategist knows that communication among troops is a huge key to winning wars by anticipating the enemy, curtailing the unexpected, and acting in a unified front. why WOULDN'T the military want to have better communication.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on December 19, 2002, 02:38:55
Post by: alchimiste on December 19, 2002, 02:38:55
Kakkarot,
What you think of the site is of no concern to me, but what interests me is to push you to open up your way of thinking, to realise that most info on the internet is rubbish or trafficked( although you probably know that already). It is of prime importance to see both sides of the story to sort the information relavent to your own evolution.
I read a lot of your posts and can tell you are looking for a test, your desire to fight, to flex your energetic muscles is overwhelming but as the chinese say "Be careful what you wish for..........you just might get it" The test will come for you that will shock you out of your head, it wont come from outside but from the Guardian de Seuil (Guardian of the threshold) that I keep going on about in other threads. Your headstrong attitude is making him stronger and when he comes you won't be able to Ki, Chi or whatever his butt. Your evolution isn't like one of your dungeons and dragons games it's a subtle balance of things that can't be manipulated like a game console but with your conscience. Raise your conscience Kakkarot, look beyond your ego. The raising of consciousness is the key to controlling your internal energy so you may manipulate the exterior enrgy.
At the moment your energys and your conscience are in your third energy centre, solar plexus, the centre of Power. It gives you a rush but it's time to move on out and up to the heart centre, the centre of unconditional love.
Evolution like this means letting go, to get through the gateway to the next level you must carry nothing, nothing at all and that means leaving your powers etc behind!
These gateways are infact cracks or holes in space/time and to get through them is like going through a dimensional shift to a higher vibrational level so you must leave behind all that can'tresonate at the higher octave. So you see in reality you must let go of EVERYTHING in order to squeeze through.
If you like reading then get Ken Keyes 'a manuel for a superior conscience' as it gives the best description on this process I've ever seen.
It's time to get moving Kakkarot
Alchimiste
ps: you didn't, nor could you ever offend me!
What you think of the site is of no concern to me, but what interests me is to push you to open up your way of thinking, to realise that most info on the internet is rubbish or trafficked( although you probably know that already). It is of prime importance to see both sides of the story to sort the information relavent to your own evolution.
I read a lot of your posts and can tell you are looking for a test, your desire to fight, to flex your energetic muscles is overwhelming but as the chinese say "Be careful what you wish for..........you just might get it" The test will come for you that will shock you out of your head, it wont come from outside but from the Guardian de Seuil (Guardian of the threshold) that I keep going on about in other threads. Your headstrong attitude is making him stronger and when he comes you won't be able to Ki, Chi or whatever his butt. Your evolution isn't like one of your dungeons and dragons games it's a subtle balance of things that can't be manipulated like a game console but with your conscience. Raise your conscience Kakkarot, look beyond your ego. The raising of consciousness is the key to controlling your internal energy so you may manipulate the exterior enrgy.
At the moment your energys and your conscience are in your third energy centre, solar plexus, the centre of Power. It gives you a rush but it's time to move on out and up to the heart centre, the centre of unconditional love.
Evolution like this means letting go, to get through the gateway to the next level you must carry nothing, nothing at all and that means leaving your powers etc behind!
These gateways are infact cracks or holes in space/time and to get through them is like going through a dimensional shift to a higher vibrational level so you must leave behind all that can'tresonate at the higher octave. So you see in reality you must let go of EVERYTHING in order to squeeze through.
If you like reading then get Ken Keyes 'a manuel for a superior conscience' as it gives the best description on this process I've ever seen.
It's time to get moving Kakkarot
Alchimiste
ps: you didn't, nor could you ever offend me!
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on December 19, 2002, 14:40:44
Post by: kakkarot on December 19, 2002, 14:40:44
ha ha alchimiste! you think i am a child or something?! ha! i have gone far beyond what you are saying i need to do. the unconditional love i show and have been able to do for years. my ego has already been put in its place. and if said inner guadian comes my way looking for trouble then i am more than prepared (and desiring) to meet him head on and work out what i need to. and i don't rely on my powers like you seem to portray me to do. my quick thinking and brilliant mind are my two most deadly weapons. my ability to adapt allow me to gain the upper hand in anything i wish to. my willpower is too great for normal people to even stand against. i'm not some newbie moron. i have my power due to the trials i have lived through, lived through without my powers. i know that life is about more than just things, or abilities, or stupid things like that. i have gone beyond what you believe i have to a point which you have yet to reach. and that all happened back when i was just a teenager!
don't worry about me alchimiste. my heart is in the right place, as is my mind. i know where i am going in life (well, i know the general stuff, but not many of the details), and i already have developed the basics for what i will really learn in my time to come. the reason i want to flex my energetic muscles because i am sick of being stuck at the level of power i am at. i wish to go further, but i cannot because i have other things to learn and do.
as for the games, come on! i know the difference between games and the real world. i don't need to be chastised like a little toddler.
i really do appreciate your concern alchimiste, but what you percieve of me is only what i let the people of this board percieve of me. it is not my true self, nor my truest troubles and dilemmas. there are others on this board though who could use such guidance and help. please help them.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
don't worry about me alchimiste. my heart is in the right place, as is my mind. i know where i am going in life (well, i know the general stuff, but not many of the details), and i already have developed the basics for what i will really learn in my time to come. the reason i want to flex my energetic muscles because i am sick of being stuck at the level of power i am at. i wish to go further, but i cannot because i have other things to learn and do.
as for the games, come on! i know the difference between games and the real world. i don't need to be chastised like a little toddler.
i really do appreciate your concern alchimiste, but what you percieve of me is only what i let the people of this board percieve of me. it is not my true self, nor my truest troubles and dilemmas. there are others on this board though who could use such guidance and help. please help them.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Nita on December 19, 2002, 20:05:28
Post by: Nita on December 19, 2002, 20:05:28
Hello Everyone
I have been reading the discussion with interest. I have heard about HAARP and met the person who started talking about it. It may have changed the weather but about a million other things have added to the problems.
Bardon gives a alternate method to removing negative traits by using soul mirrors. You list all the qualities you have and which elements they are ruled by and your put the negative in one soul mirror and the positive in the other soul mirror. You then work upon changing the negative to the positive.He lists various methods but it seems to remove a lof ot the work needing to be done on the Watcher at the Threshold. It is a very well integrated system.
Nita
I have been reading the discussion with interest. I have heard about HAARP and met the person who started talking about it. It may have changed the weather but about a million other things have added to the problems.
Bardon gives a alternate method to removing negative traits by using soul mirrors. You list all the qualities you have and which elements they are ruled by and your put the negative in one soul mirror and the positive in the other soul mirror. You then work upon changing the negative to the positive.He lists various methods but it seems to remove a lof ot the work needing to be done on the Watcher at the Threshold. It is a very well integrated system.
Nita
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on December 20, 2002, 01:45:50
Post by: alchimiste on December 20, 2002, 01:45:50
Kakkarot,
"ha ha alchimiste! you think i am a child or something?! "
Now you have just proved that you are a child. You are a long way from even understanding the concept of unconditional love let alone knowing how to raise your conscience to exist in that level or the levels above.
"i have gone beyond what you believe i have to a point which you have yet to reach"
Yes, you are at a point that I have yet to reach. But I have no desire to reach that point, the idea of power you have is all an illusion, a veil that has been pulled over your eyes to keep you from accessing the split in space/time that could take you forwards. You are a prisoner of your Guardian de Seuil and the sooner you realise this the better.
I have left many powers behind me on my journey as I realised that power in itself prevents evolution, you must let go of everything or you will remain at your present evolutory level.
If you had actually evolved your Guardian would most likely have shown itself already, this fact alone shows you are under his control.
Wake up and smell the coffee Oh Grand Master Kakkarot
Alchimiste
"ha ha alchimiste! you think i am a child or something?! "
Now you have just proved that you are a child. You are a long way from even understanding the concept of unconditional love let alone knowing how to raise your conscience to exist in that level or the levels above.
"i have gone beyond what you believe i have to a point which you have yet to reach"
Yes, you are at a point that I have yet to reach. But I have no desire to reach that point, the idea of power you have is all an illusion, a veil that has been pulled over your eyes to keep you from accessing the split in space/time that could take you forwards. You are a prisoner of your Guardian de Seuil and the sooner you realise this the better.
I have left many powers behind me on my journey as I realised that power in itself prevents evolution, you must let go of everything or you will remain at your present evolutory level.
If you had actually evolved your Guardian would most likely have shown itself already, this fact alone shows you are under his control.
Wake up and smell the coffee Oh Grand Master Kakkarot
Alchimiste
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Fenris on December 21, 2002, 04:19:06
Post by: Fenris on December 21, 2002, 04:19:06
Hi ya Nita!
In Kraig's Modern Magick there is a technique for banishing negative personal traits called the I.O.B (Identify, Objectify and Banish) which to my understanding is a process of constructing a thought form representing the negative quality and then banishing/destroying it. If Bardon's system works on converting negative qualities to positive ones, as opposed to just banishing them, then this surely must lead to greater self understanding then the former. In which of his books would could I read about it? I'm very keen about studying Bardon now
Kind regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
In Kraig's Modern Magick there is a technique for banishing negative personal traits called the I.O.B (Identify, Objectify and Banish) which to my understanding is a process of constructing a thought form representing the negative quality and then banishing/destroying it. If Bardon's system works on converting negative qualities to positive ones, as opposed to just banishing them, then this surely must lead to greater self understanding then the former. In which of his books would could I read about it? I'm very keen about studying Bardon now
Kind regards
David
- The glass contains fluid equal to half of its potential volume -
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Ides315 on December 21, 2002, 17:55:36
Post by: Ides315 on December 21, 2002, 17:55:36
Hi, David.
It is in IIH.
Best.
It is in IIH.
Best.
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Nita on December 21, 2002, 20:20:55
Post by: Nita on December 21, 2002, 20:20:55
Hello David and Ides
Ides is right it is in IIH. Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon. He has four books but the first one with all the steps has to to be done before you go onto the rest. Merkur Books was having a half price sale for awhile I don't know if it is still on at the moment.
It is a powerful tool for transforming yourself and furthering your abilities and understanding. Alchimistes knowledge has impressed me and I've enjoyed a lot of the subjects mentioned.
Nita
Ides is right it is in IIH. Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon. He has four books but the first one with all the steps has to to be done before you go onto the rest. Merkur Books was having a half price sale for awhile I don't know if it is still on at the moment.
It is a powerful tool for transforming yourself and furthering your abilities and understanding. Alchimistes knowledge has impressed me and I've enjoyed a lot of the subjects mentioned.
Nita
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on December 22, 2002, 06:59:06
Post by: alchimiste on December 22, 2002, 06:59:06
Oh mighty Kakkarot,
"the reason i want to flex my energetic muscles because i am sick of being stuck at the level of power i am at. i wish to go further, but i cannot because i have other things to learn and do."
The reason you are stuck is that your suitcase is full, there is no more room to put anything else. You are at the point of saturation and you must let it all go to evolve through the crack that leads to the next octave. You wish to go further? well here is your chance, drop the suitcase and raise your conscience. Once through you will see that all your powers at the lower level were all an illusion and you'll laugh at yourself for relying on them for so long.
Once through to the higher octave you will have nothing in your suitcase but you will infact be ten times or even a hundred times more powerful than before, but these powers will be integrated into your conscience to be called upon if needed, but believe me when I say to you that once through to the higher octave you will no longer need them nor will you desire to use them as you will see power for what it truly is.......a veil pulled over your eyes to keep you from evolving.
Or you could go off to Winged Wolfs' psionic group for some mutual psionic masturbation and energy orgasms that will make you think you are the greatest but at the best will lead you nowhere or at the worst you will lose your soul.
go for it!..........it's your funeral.
Alchimiste
(a student of evolution)
"the reason i want to flex my energetic muscles because i am sick of being stuck at the level of power i am at. i wish to go further, but i cannot because i have other things to learn and do."
The reason you are stuck is that your suitcase is full, there is no more room to put anything else. You are at the point of saturation and you must let it all go to evolve through the crack that leads to the next octave. You wish to go further? well here is your chance, drop the suitcase and raise your conscience. Once through you will see that all your powers at the lower level were all an illusion and you'll laugh at yourself for relying on them for so long.
Once through to the higher octave you will have nothing in your suitcase but you will infact be ten times or even a hundred times more powerful than before, but these powers will be integrated into your conscience to be called upon if needed, but believe me when I say to you that once through to the higher octave you will no longer need them nor will you desire to use them as you will see power for what it truly is.......a veil pulled over your eyes to keep you from evolving.
Or you could go off to Winged Wolfs' psionic group for some mutual psionic masturbation and energy orgasms that will make you think you are the greatest but at the best will lead you nowhere or at the worst you will lose your soul.
go for it!..........it's your funeral.
Alchimiste
(a student of evolution)
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on December 22, 2002, 07:16:12
Post by: alchimiste on December 22, 2002, 07:16:12
Oh my most venerated and powerful Kakkarot,
ps: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton (aka Lord Acton)
Alchimiste
(a student of evolution)
ps: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton (aka Lord Acton)
Alchimiste
(a student of evolution)
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Ides315 on December 22, 2002, 16:18:49
Post by: Ides315 on December 22, 2002, 16:18:49
Hey Alchimiste.
That is one of my favorite quotes, always wondered where it came from. Thought it was Benjamin Franklin, but it was an older source I guess.
Best
That is one of my favorite quotes, always wondered where it came from. Thought it was Benjamin Franklin, but it was an older source I guess.
Best
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on January 03, 2003, 13:33:35
Post by: kakkarot on January 03, 2003, 13:33:35
ok, first off. i just recently got back from my vacation. it was nice and i had a great time.
next off. alchimiste. me thinks you misread the meaning behind my words. when i said 'ha ha', i wasn't laughing AT you. i was laughing because of the perception you have of me and how WAY OFF it is.
now, allow me to defend myself. do you truly believe that my life is only about power? power is merely one aspect of a path in life that i have chosen to follow. power is not what i am about, power is merely a tool. and regardless of whether someone is powerful or weak, they can still be a good, 'evolved' person or a complete jack@$$.
"If you had actually evolved your Guardian would most likely have shown itself already". really, so the only time a guardian will ever show itself is when someone has evolved to the point where you were when yours showed up? i doubt it. everyone is different, alchimiste. some people have some things to learn, others have other things to do. why must i be a carbon copy of you, or my life be a carbon copy of yours?
"The reason you are stuck is that your suitcase is full"? how could you possibly know such a thing about me? you know nothing of what i have been through and of what i am still going through, and of what i am still set to go through in the future. you act like you know me better than i know myself, but guess what, you only know about me what i have let you know about me. so quit judging me until you truly do know me.
and do you really believe that just because there are different 'vibrational levels' to existance that it makes any difference at ALL to the meaning of existance or the reason for existing? you have put a veil over your eyes when you started thinking that reaching a higher vibrational level is the meaning of life. reality hasn't changed just because you realized that there may be more to life than just living and dying, right? what makes you think that anything has changed just because THINK you have life all figured out?
from your posts it really looks like you also need to spend more time pondering unconditional love, or even just regular love. i never came on this site to brag about my power or my abilities, to put others down because i didn't agree with them or because i didn't like them. i didn't come here to boss others around into believing what i believe. i came here to try to find some people who are more like me than i have ever found before, to help people where i could, and to try to find some help myself. and i have. ides, cainam, fenris, and a few others are all people who i respect greatly because what they do here.
and as for insulting winged wolf, what did he do to raise your ire so? did he say some things you didn't agree with? did the 'truth' he speaks not 'resonate' with your 'truth'? ya know what, i find that you new-age types who use such stupid catchwords really need to open up and UNDERSTAND, rather than just think you understand.
and finally, if absolute power truly corrupts, then what about God? do you truly believe that mere human philosophy compares anything to the truth?
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
next off. alchimiste. me thinks you misread the meaning behind my words. when i said 'ha ha', i wasn't laughing AT you. i was laughing because of the perception you have of me and how WAY OFF it is.
now, allow me to defend myself. do you truly believe that my life is only about power? power is merely one aspect of a path in life that i have chosen to follow. power is not what i am about, power is merely a tool. and regardless of whether someone is powerful or weak, they can still be a good, 'evolved' person or a complete jack@$$.
"If you had actually evolved your Guardian would most likely have shown itself already". really, so the only time a guardian will ever show itself is when someone has evolved to the point where you were when yours showed up? i doubt it. everyone is different, alchimiste. some people have some things to learn, others have other things to do. why must i be a carbon copy of you, or my life be a carbon copy of yours?
"The reason you are stuck is that your suitcase is full"? how could you possibly know such a thing about me? you know nothing of what i have been through and of what i am still going through, and of what i am still set to go through in the future. you act like you know me better than i know myself, but guess what, you only know about me what i have let you know about me. so quit judging me until you truly do know me.
and do you really believe that just because there are different 'vibrational levels' to existance that it makes any difference at ALL to the meaning of existance or the reason for existing? you have put a veil over your eyes when you started thinking that reaching a higher vibrational level is the meaning of life. reality hasn't changed just because you realized that there may be more to life than just living and dying, right? what makes you think that anything has changed just because THINK you have life all figured out?
from your posts it really looks like you also need to spend more time pondering unconditional love, or even just regular love. i never came on this site to brag about my power or my abilities, to put others down because i didn't agree with them or because i didn't like them. i didn't come here to boss others around into believing what i believe. i came here to try to find some people who are more like me than i have ever found before, to help people where i could, and to try to find some help myself. and i have. ides, cainam, fenris, and a few others are all people who i respect greatly because what they do here.
and as for insulting winged wolf, what did he do to raise your ire so? did he say some things you didn't agree with? did the 'truth' he speaks not 'resonate' with your 'truth'? ya know what, i find that you new-age types who use such stupid catchwords really need to open up and UNDERSTAND, rather than just think you understand.
and finally, if absolute power truly corrupts, then what about God? do you truly believe that mere human philosophy compares anything to the truth?
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on January 05, 2003, 09:38:09
Post by: alchimiste on January 05, 2003, 09:38:09
Oh! most venerated Kakkarot, psionic soldier and adepte of involution,
You seem to be getting a bit wound up about what I'm trying to get through to you, you should calm down, take a few deep breaths then read on!
" and do you really believe that just because there are different 'vibrational levels' to existance that it makes any difference at ALL to the meaning of existance or the reason for existing? you have put a veil over your eyes when you started thinking that reaching a higher vibrational level is the meaning of life"
It was Darwin I think that once said 'all species must evolve or they are doomed to disappear' Well the same goes for you and me, we must evolve or we are doomed, doomed to return to the collective soul of humanity that is the spiritual equivalent of the social security line.
You can ask Fenris, Cainam, Ides or anyone else, you can look at any energy raising technique you can check out most magical systems and you'll see that the raising of energy operates mainly (there are exceptions) on the vertical plain. You pull down celestial energy, you raise up earth energy into yourself then you can open your charkas in a certain order etc etc, infact you can do pretty much anything with it. I know I'm explaining this rudimentarily, but you raise energy, you raise Kundalini etc, you raise energy upwards through you and for what purpose???
Apart from the side effects such as psychic powers and other amazing things it is primarily to RAISE your conscience! If you don't understand this basic principal you are either phenomenally stupid or just plain ignorant and you should just give it all up.
When are you going to wake up and realize that all powers gained from energy work or magical work are SIDE EFFECTS and not the goal. You are looking at everything from the wrong angle, change your angle of perception and you will see for yourself. The whole shooting match is about the raising of consciousness. Just go back and look at all your posts, they are all power orientated, manipulation orientated and your recent ones in this thread show an ego the size of Kansas. I've not read many associated with personal evolution!!!
"why must i be a carbon copy of you, or my life be a carbon copy of yours?"
The only similarity that your life could ever have with mine is when we will both be going in approximately the right direction, the road you choose is yours, the way and speed you walk it is yours, but the destination is ultimately the same.
Signs can appear on the road to help you, you can choose to follow their indications or you can march blindly onwards to your own personal doom. I am a student of evolution and we are all students in our own way and you should never ignore help when it is proffered, even under the guise of insult or condescension.
As for winged wolf and her group, I'm sorry but psionic work and energy manipulation in that form is NOT evolution, it is just turning in circles with the ego being fed more and more as your energy sensations and influences increase. And as for soliciting people to ultimately increase their group egregore's strength is for me frankly unacceptable.
As to when your guardian shows up?.......that's totally personal, it can show up anytime, my personal experience is no reference in the field so you thinking I compare all to myself is misplaced and in fact totally irrelevant.
You may well ask why am I doing this, speaking to you in this way? I ask myself the same question each time I post here but if just 10% of what I am saying gets through to you then it might just have all been worthwhile. All I wish for is that you evolve, without feeling the need for groups or pseudo powers, to be a totally self sufficient person with a DIRECT link and contact with the Divine through the divinity within you. I can't tell you what to do. I can't nor wish to guide you on your road I just wish you to be totally independent of all exterior influence, and it's then that you will see what power IS and ISN'T. Try it?!!!!
I'm sorry but you can ask your friends here if I'm talking bulls##t or not. If they agree with you I'll shut up.
Alchimiste
(a student of evolution and a thorn in the side of all who deserve to Evolve)
ps Happy new year
You seem to be getting a bit wound up about what I'm trying to get through to you, you should calm down, take a few deep breaths then read on!
" and do you really believe that just because there are different 'vibrational levels' to existance that it makes any difference at ALL to the meaning of existance or the reason for existing? you have put a veil over your eyes when you started thinking that reaching a higher vibrational level is the meaning of life"
It was Darwin I think that once said 'all species must evolve or they are doomed to disappear' Well the same goes for you and me, we must evolve or we are doomed, doomed to return to the collective soul of humanity that is the spiritual equivalent of the social security line.
You can ask Fenris, Cainam, Ides or anyone else, you can look at any energy raising technique you can check out most magical systems and you'll see that the raising of energy operates mainly (there are exceptions) on the vertical plain. You pull down celestial energy, you raise up earth energy into yourself then you can open your charkas in a certain order etc etc, infact you can do pretty much anything with it. I know I'm explaining this rudimentarily, but you raise energy, you raise Kundalini etc, you raise energy upwards through you and for what purpose???
Apart from the side effects such as psychic powers and other amazing things it is primarily to RAISE your conscience! If you don't understand this basic principal you are either phenomenally stupid or just plain ignorant and you should just give it all up.
When are you going to wake up and realize that all powers gained from energy work or magical work are SIDE EFFECTS and not the goal. You are looking at everything from the wrong angle, change your angle of perception and you will see for yourself. The whole shooting match is about the raising of consciousness. Just go back and look at all your posts, they are all power orientated, manipulation orientated and your recent ones in this thread show an ego the size of Kansas. I've not read many associated with personal evolution!!!
"why must i be a carbon copy of you, or my life be a carbon copy of yours?"
The only similarity that your life could ever have with mine is when we will both be going in approximately the right direction, the road you choose is yours, the way and speed you walk it is yours, but the destination is ultimately the same.
Signs can appear on the road to help you, you can choose to follow their indications or you can march blindly onwards to your own personal doom. I am a student of evolution and we are all students in our own way and you should never ignore help when it is proffered, even under the guise of insult or condescension.
As for winged wolf and her group, I'm sorry but psionic work and energy manipulation in that form is NOT evolution, it is just turning in circles with the ego being fed more and more as your energy sensations and influences increase. And as for soliciting people to ultimately increase their group egregore's strength is for me frankly unacceptable.
As to when your guardian shows up?.......that's totally personal, it can show up anytime, my personal experience is no reference in the field so you thinking I compare all to myself is misplaced and in fact totally irrelevant.
You may well ask why am I doing this, speaking to you in this way? I ask myself the same question each time I post here but if just 10% of what I am saying gets through to you then it might just have all been worthwhile. All I wish for is that you evolve, without feeling the need for groups or pseudo powers, to be a totally self sufficient person with a DIRECT link and contact with the Divine through the divinity within you. I can't tell you what to do. I can't nor wish to guide you on your road I just wish you to be totally independent of all exterior influence, and it's then that you will see what power IS and ISN'T. Try it?!!!!
I'm sorry but you can ask your friends here if I'm talking bulls##t or not. If they agree with you I'll shut up.
Alchimiste
(a student of evolution and a thorn in the side of all who deserve to Evolve)
ps Happy new year
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2003, 10:49:29
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2003, 10:49:29
From the topic of this thread, I'd say this is about either Kakkarot or about changing the weather. If it was about weather to begin with, it hasn't been for some time now. Are we now supposed to choose between two of our members and split off into distinct sides on the matter and see how far we can go with this?
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: goingslow on January 05, 2003, 11:39:57
Post by: goingslow on January 05, 2003, 11:39:57
This isn't written to insult anyone but shouldnt someone want a mentor or at least ask for one? I dont know either of you well but alchimiste you may be right. Everything you're saying may be where kakkarot will be in a few years (or you may decide on a different path yourself) but why is it so important for him to agree or see this way.
You may say you're trying to help and I understand that viewpoint. But maybe where you're at is a place he isn't supposed to be. Enlightenment shouldnt be forced on someone (if it is indeed that). The only reason I see it's being done here is ego. The need to be seen as right by someone i think you probably respect, but just disagree with on certain points.
Also its hard to see views objectively when it seems you're being attacked for being unevolved or wrong in your thinking.
This is just an objective perspective I dont know either of you well enough and am obviously to new to know the reasons this turned into a who's path is right topic. I see a lot more comparing of how evolved one is over the other instead of the step of evolution where i'd think the need to be proven right would be taken away.
You may say you're trying to help and I understand that viewpoint. But maybe where you're at is a place he isn't supposed to be. Enlightenment shouldnt be forced on someone (if it is indeed that). The only reason I see it's being done here is ego. The need to be seen as right by someone i think you probably respect, but just disagree with on certain points.
Also its hard to see views objectively when it seems you're being attacked for being unevolved or wrong in your thinking.
This is just an objective perspective I dont know either of you well enough and am obviously to new to know the reasons this turned into a who's path is right topic. I see a lot more comparing of how evolved one is over the other instead of the step of evolution where i'd think the need to be proven right would be taken away.
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on January 06, 2003, 13:10:35
Post by: kakkarot on January 06, 2003, 13:10:35
no tom, i am not expecting others to jump in this conversation on either side, and i hope alchimiste isn't either. but if you want to add your own opinions, then it is up to you.
so, back to the weather change topic for a bit: i don't believe that humans are able to use machines to manipulate the weather with any degree of accuracy. at least not yet. and really, if it comes down to some people having the power to destroy others (and using it to do so) then war will break out. not everyone will just stand around and let themselves be blown up. i certainly won't.
and now back to my and alchimiste's conversation.
alchimiste, i don't do "energy work" for the spiritual evolution that people claim comes with it. i evolve spiritually on my own, not through the energy work. and my powers are not a side effect of that evolution. i have trained to get most of my power, with only some of it coming as a result of my becoming a more spiritual-based person than i was before.
i just don't get why you put so much importance on this "personal evolution". you believe that if we aren't spiritually evolved enough, we go back into what you called the collective soul of humanity. but that is your belief, and it is a belief which i do not share. and even if people do "evolve" enough, they are still doomed to die physically anyway. and after that, there is no proof as to what the after life really is. i've read many people who believe many things, widely and radically differing things that couldn't possibly co-exist just because most of them are mutually exclusive. i believe that when we die, we go to heaven or hell, based on the life we have led. and if that is right, then our "evolution" NEED only go as far as being able to do the right thing, and anything further is just good times.
i'm sorry if i sound like a prick, but this whole evolution thing doesn't concern me because i am already doing what i want to do, and what i am happy with doing. why should i do something that someone else is telling me to do when they have given no good arguments as to why i should?
i guess this is what i am really getting down to: i don't like others telling me i should do something because it would be better for me without giving me proof as to why it would be better for me, or without giving me proof as to why they are right.
"All I wish for is that you evolve, ... with a DIRECT link and contact with the Divine through the divinity within you". i had a direct link with God once. i choose to get rid of it because at the time my power was going to my head. i don't know how you are reading in my posts that my power is still going to my head, but i would like to tell you that it is NOT. i know the difference between what power is and isn't. i choose to keep my power because of what my life will entail later.
we all have our own lives to live alchimiste. i thank you trying to do what you think was helping me out, but it really isn't required. i am not saying this because i think i am just so great that nothing you could say to me could ever possibly match up to my level of evolution, but because my spiritual evolution is already underway and it would go a lot worse if it were interfered with by other beings. if you want me to expand upon this, please ask and i will.
"And as for soliciting people to ultimately increase their group egregore's strength is for me frankly unacceptable". well, then please allow me to point out an area of weakness in yourself since you have been so helpful in pointing out my areas of need. perhaps you should learn to NOT give your opinion sometimes. especially when what winged_wolf and his do, doesn't concern or affect you.
and as for darwin, he is a complete [explitive]. there is so much wrong with what he did in his "science" that most scientists i know make fun of him.
winged_wolf is a girl? i thought his personal bio said he was a guy. i'll check that in a minute.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
so, back to the weather change topic for a bit: i don't believe that humans are able to use machines to manipulate the weather with any degree of accuracy. at least not yet. and really, if it comes down to some people having the power to destroy others (and using it to do so) then war will break out. not everyone will just stand around and let themselves be blown up. i certainly won't.
and now back to my and alchimiste's conversation.
alchimiste, i don't do "energy work" for the spiritual evolution that people claim comes with it. i evolve spiritually on my own, not through the energy work. and my powers are not a side effect of that evolution. i have trained to get most of my power, with only some of it coming as a result of my becoming a more spiritual-based person than i was before.
i just don't get why you put so much importance on this "personal evolution". you believe that if we aren't spiritually evolved enough, we go back into what you called the collective soul of humanity. but that is your belief, and it is a belief which i do not share. and even if people do "evolve" enough, they are still doomed to die physically anyway. and after that, there is no proof as to what the after life really is. i've read many people who believe many things, widely and radically differing things that couldn't possibly co-exist just because most of them are mutually exclusive. i believe that when we die, we go to heaven or hell, based on the life we have led. and if that is right, then our "evolution" NEED only go as far as being able to do the right thing, and anything further is just good times.
i'm sorry if i sound like a prick, but this whole evolution thing doesn't concern me because i am already doing what i want to do, and what i am happy with doing. why should i do something that someone else is telling me to do when they have given no good arguments as to why i should?
i guess this is what i am really getting down to: i don't like others telling me i should do something because it would be better for me without giving me proof as to why it would be better for me, or without giving me proof as to why they are right.
"All I wish for is that you evolve, ... with a DIRECT link and contact with the Divine through the divinity within you". i had a direct link with God once. i choose to get rid of it because at the time my power was going to my head. i don't know how you are reading in my posts that my power is still going to my head, but i would like to tell you that it is NOT. i know the difference between what power is and isn't. i choose to keep my power because of what my life will entail later.
we all have our own lives to live alchimiste. i thank you trying to do what you think was helping me out, but it really isn't required. i am not saying this because i think i am just so great that nothing you could say to me could ever possibly match up to my level of evolution, but because my spiritual evolution is already underway and it would go a lot worse if it were interfered with by other beings. if you want me to expand upon this, please ask and i will.
"And as for soliciting people to ultimately increase their group egregore's strength is for me frankly unacceptable". well, then please allow me to point out an area of weakness in yourself since you have been so helpful in pointing out my areas of need. perhaps you should learn to NOT give your opinion sometimes. especially when what winged_wolf and his do, doesn't concern or affect you.
and as for darwin, he is a complete [explitive]. there is so much wrong with what he did in his "science" that most scientists i know make fun of him.
winged_wolf is a girl? i thought his personal bio said he was a guy. i'll check that in a minute.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on January 07, 2003, 01:41:51
Post by: alchimiste on January 07, 2003, 01:41:51
I agree, please don't feel like you have to take sides Tom, your own opinion is always of interest though.
"i choose to keep my power because of what my life will entail later"
This statement interests me a lot as it implies you have seen your own future in some way, is this true? or is this just a logical extrapalation you have made from what you are doing now to what you will probably be doing later? Please expand on this; but only if it is not digging too deep into your personal agenda
You are right! without proof one must remain sceptic although I still insist that this evolution thing does effect you, will effect you and the day when you get your own personal proof you will see it all in action.
"i just don't get why you put so much importance on this "personal evolution".
without it kakkarot the humain race is doomed, the collective consciousness of humanity is possessed by money, greed, destruction and morals as low as you can get. If people like you and me raise our level of consciousness then there is always hope, maybe you or I will be the drop that overflows the vase...................who knows?
As to groups such as winged wolfs, we are all effected by this, the control of people through collective manipulation in a group environment is like religion, you do as they say, you practice as they practice, look at the Raelian sect. They lobby the govnt. they play at the scorcerers apprentice with this cloning scandal........You are far too intelligent to need that sort of stimulation kakkarot, it's better to have you as a loose cannon than under the control of a group!!!!
It's just that I value my independance above all else, it's as simple as that.
Anyway to close this post I would just like to say that I notice your last post was much less like all the others, you explained your point of view less aggressively, with clarity and concise argument based on your opinions. You should write all youir posts like that one, it was a pleasure to read.
Alchimiste
(a fellow student of evolution)
"i choose to keep my power because of what my life will entail later"
This statement interests me a lot as it implies you have seen your own future in some way, is this true? or is this just a logical extrapalation you have made from what you are doing now to what you will probably be doing later? Please expand on this; but only if it is not digging too deep into your personal agenda
You are right! without proof one must remain sceptic although I still insist that this evolution thing does effect you, will effect you and the day when you get your own personal proof you will see it all in action.
"i just don't get why you put so much importance on this "personal evolution".
without it kakkarot the humain race is doomed, the collective consciousness of humanity is possessed by money, greed, destruction and morals as low as you can get. If people like you and me raise our level of consciousness then there is always hope, maybe you or I will be the drop that overflows the vase...................who knows?
As to groups such as winged wolfs, we are all effected by this, the control of people through collective manipulation in a group environment is like religion, you do as they say, you practice as they practice, look at the Raelian sect. They lobby the govnt. they play at the scorcerers apprentice with this cloning scandal........You are far too intelligent to need that sort of stimulation kakkarot, it's better to have you as a loose cannon than under the control of a group!!!!
It's just that I value my independance above all else, it's as simple as that.
Anyway to close this post I would just like to say that I notice your last post was much less like all the others, you explained your point of view less aggressively, with clarity and concise argument based on your opinions. You should write all youir posts like that one, it was a pleasure to read.
Alchimiste
(a fellow student of evolution)
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: goingslow on January 07, 2003, 13:12:13
Post by: goingslow on January 07, 2003, 13:12:13
I find kakkarots fantasies of power interesting whenever i read them. Where are these powers supposed to exist in the real world. are you talking about powers when you project? I think its cute... most things you read on the internet aren't true especially false claims of power and everyone accepting some place where he supposedly blasts entities and everyone fears him.
Its classic delusion but on the internet and on message boards you see a lot of it.
Alchimiste is the person who decides who's evolved what evolved is and who deserves to evolve. They're two sides of the same coin accept alchimiste thinks his powers lie in how much he's "evolved" and how much he knows. True evolved individuals wouldnt' waste time with either one of these two.
You're both deluded people and although i find it amusing when i read both your posts since you're both such full of yourself classic internet "new age" type people.
why dont you two take this argument to email already and spare the rest of us your "my penis is bigger than yours" crap. I dont speak for anyone else but personally im sick of reading both of your verbal bragging and delusional portrayal of both your "powers".
sincerely and with warmest regards..
Its classic delusion but on the internet and on message boards you see a lot of it.
Alchimiste is the person who decides who's evolved what evolved is and who deserves to evolve. They're two sides of the same coin accept alchimiste thinks his powers lie in how much he's "evolved" and how much he knows. True evolved individuals wouldnt' waste time with either one of these two.
You're both deluded people and although i find it amusing when i read both your posts since you're both such full of yourself classic internet "new age" type people.
why dont you two take this argument to email already and spare the rest of us your "my penis is bigger than yours" crap. I dont speak for anyone else but personally im sick of reading both of your verbal bragging and delusional portrayal of both your "powers".
sincerely and with warmest regards..
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on January 07, 2003, 13:30:28
Post by: kakkarot on January 07, 2003, 13:30:28
yes, alchimiste, i have seen a possible future for me. i hope it never comes to pass, not for fear on my behalf, but in concern for others. the reason i have my powers is to help and protect others if it comes to pass. i'm sorry that i can't really tell you at this time what it is.
as for winged_wolf, i apologize: she is a girl. (i hope she doesn't kill me for that ;P ). and yes, i agree that people shouldn't be told that they have to do things the way another person sets it out for them, but i don't get the sense that winged_wolf is forcing people to join her group. i have been to her site, and i have read their disclaimer that anyone joining their guild is forbidden from using any form of energy other than psi because it would be 'dangerous', but if someone wants to join they are not forced to, and they always have the option of quitting. well, maybe you have some different info than i do about them, but i really don't see much harm in their guild.
ok, this next part might sound like a contradiction to what i said earlier, so i am going to tell you now that i am trying to clarify something. when i said that i am doing what i want to do, and i am happy doing it, i meant i am changing who i am in the way that seems most right, and i am (usually) happy with how this change is coming about. sorry about my bad explaination last time. it's not that i don't think i need to evolve, it's that i am 'evolving' in the way that it seems like i am supposed to.
up until a couple of years ago, i strived toward perfection. i never settled for anything less than the best qualities in myself. and i worked very hard to try to become perfect as God is perfect. i did not do so on my own, but i had plenty of help and guidance from God. unfortunately, i failed. big time. and as i have heard said 'how much higher seem the mountain peaks when viewed from the valleys', so to 'the fall is much farther the higher up you go'.
i am not rejecting peoples' help for me because i can't use it, but because my life is in such a state of complete change, at almost all times, that any advice is either not appropriate at the time, or becomes outdated fairly quickly. once my life becomes more settled, which i can't see happening for a number of years in the future yet, then i will be able to start really taking other peoples' help.
and finally, i am terribly sorry about going way off topic from the, uh, topic, but i was in a rush the first time i read through your first post, and i thought i got what you were trying to say, but i really didn't. and i hadn't read it again until tom posted about us getting back to the original topic, when i finally got what you were trying to say. sorry.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
as for winged_wolf, i apologize: she is a girl. (i hope she doesn't kill me for that ;P ). and yes, i agree that people shouldn't be told that they have to do things the way another person sets it out for them, but i don't get the sense that winged_wolf is forcing people to join her group. i have been to her site, and i have read their disclaimer that anyone joining their guild is forbidden from using any form of energy other than psi because it would be 'dangerous', but if someone wants to join they are not forced to, and they always have the option of quitting. well, maybe you have some different info than i do about them, but i really don't see much harm in their guild.
ok, this next part might sound like a contradiction to what i said earlier, so i am going to tell you now that i am trying to clarify something. when i said that i am doing what i want to do, and i am happy doing it, i meant i am changing who i am in the way that seems most right, and i am (usually) happy with how this change is coming about. sorry about my bad explaination last time. it's not that i don't think i need to evolve, it's that i am 'evolving' in the way that it seems like i am supposed to.
up until a couple of years ago, i strived toward perfection. i never settled for anything less than the best qualities in myself. and i worked very hard to try to become perfect as God is perfect. i did not do so on my own, but i had plenty of help and guidance from God. unfortunately, i failed. big time. and as i have heard said 'how much higher seem the mountain peaks when viewed from the valleys', so to 'the fall is much farther the higher up you go'.
i am not rejecting peoples' help for me because i can't use it, but because my life is in such a state of complete change, at almost all times, that any advice is either not appropriate at the time, or becomes outdated fairly quickly. once my life becomes more settled, which i can't see happening for a number of years in the future yet, then i will be able to start really taking other peoples' help.
and finally, i am terribly sorry about going way off topic from the, uh, topic, but i was in a rush the first time i read through your first post, and i thought i got what you were trying to say, but i really didn't. and i hadn't read it again until tom posted about us getting back to the original topic, when i finally got what you were trying to say. sorry.
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: Ides315 on January 07, 2003, 15:44:41
Post by: Ides315 on January 07, 2003, 15:44:41
Hey all.
Just a thought, kakkarot. How many times did you fall learning to ride a bike? Did you quit learning because you fell once, or did you learn from the fall and not do that again? Don't learn the wrong lesons from life, or you will repeat them. Of course that is my thought system, which may or may not agree with yours ;-)
And let none of us forget anyone can teach you something if you choose to learn. (There is no "target" for that statement, it applies to all of us).
Best to all
Just a thought, kakkarot. How many times did you fall learning to ride a bike? Did you quit learning because you fell once, or did you learn from the fall and not do that again? Don't learn the wrong lesons from life, or you will repeat them. Of course that is my thought system, which may or may not agree with yours ;-)
And let none of us forget anyone can teach you something if you choose to learn. (There is no "target" for that statement, it applies to all of us).
Best to all
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: kakkarot on January 09, 2003, 13:46:13
Post by: kakkarot on January 09, 2003, 13:46:13
well, true ides, when you fall off the bike once, you shouldn't just give up. but when you fall and REALLY hurt yourself (or someone else) perhaps its time to hold off a bit and let the wounds heal. and that's kinda where i am at. but i think i may be near to done healing. so YEAH! :D
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
~kakkarot
Secret of Secrets
Title: Kakkarot not behind Global weather manipulation
Post by: alchimiste on August 16, 2002, 03:08:28
Post by: alchimiste on August 16, 2002, 03:08:28
A while back in some thread kakkarot , myself, tyrone and others talked about using magic to change the weather and Kakkarot said he would try to send some snow to tyrone (or something like that)
Well if you want the lowdown on weather manipulation type "haarp" into your search engine and you'll get official haarp sites (we are doing research blah blah blah sites) and you'll get the anti haarp sites (global weather control nightmare blizzard white hell death sites)
It makes for interesting and scary reading.
Post up what you think folks................it's conspiricy theory into reality.
regards
Well if you want the lowdown on weather manipulation type "haarp" into your search engine and you'll get official haarp sites (we are doing research blah blah blah sites) and you'll get the anti haarp sites (global weather control nightmare blizzard white hell death sites)
It makes for interesting and scary reading.
Post up what you think folks................it's conspiricy theory into reality.
regards