I've read that numerous people have had use of salvia for spiritual purposes, and I've been considering using it. I plan to meditate for a good while and then chew extract while chanting my mantra mentally and thinking of the most lovely thing I can...I could really use a good release, and this seems to be of a decent try.
The effects of strong doses or large ammounts of Salvia can be intensely overwhelming, (they sure have been for me) so I would find it very hard to navigate in that state of mind. However, it provides an example of the potential the mind has in altered states like sleep, meditation, and 'out of body experiences', but I wouldnt think that using it as an aid would always be easy or productive.
best to smoke it....
prepair yourself as best you can... (find a good mental state)
have a sitter, salvia has strange gravity/vortex effects (being sucked into walls, out winows etc) sometimes the physical body is affected, you may find yourself out in the middle of the street if you are alone.
and hang on......
if you want to chew, then perhaps you may want to grow your own, i had 3 plants for a while, they are easy to grow.... and the bond you create with the plant will help smooth your introduction to her.
-HD
If you plan to use strong doses make sure you have a sober sitter around to stop you from hurting yourself.
The hallucinations caused by salvia are indistinguishable from reality and often the person has no recollection of taking the stuff.
Be especially careful if you use a vaporiser to ingest the herb.
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Oh no, I was just going to use about 5x or 10x because it would be my first time. I'll be meditating and in a peaceful state, so I wouldn't imagine that I'll end up down the street or anything.
I don't really want to smoke it because I'm health concious, and I've also read that chewing can be more effecting because the psychoactive compound gets absorbed in greater amounts and at better rates through the oral (something) glands than as opposed to troublesomely smoking it with a torch lighter; and I don't own, nor want to get caught by my parents with, a bong, so chewing is the best option for me. I was going to make tea, but then I read that you really don't absorb the compound that way. And I've read its nice to have a sitter near by to keep watch, but I don't think its really nessecary, I'll just be in my room, so its not that big of a deal.
Quote from: runlolaQuote from: jilolaIf you plan to use strong doses make sure you have a sober sitter around to stop you from hurting yourself.
The hallucinations caused by salvia are indistinguishable from reality and often the person has no recollection of taking the stuff.
Be especially careful if you use a vaporiser to ingest the herb.
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Jouni
are you serious? you can buy this stuff on the internet &
it makes you trip out like that? that's hard to believe
Yes. I believe it has been made illegal in Australia, but as far as I know its still legal in most other countries. And yes, it can be an amazingly potent psychedelic. It's actually for sale in quite a few shops near me :).
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml
Details some peoples experiences with this plant.
I've had experience with it too, which I won't go into here. But I would definately say start with low doses, read up on it, so you know what you are getting into, and definately have a trip-sitter. It is possible to lose all bodily (And life) awareness as you get caught up in its experience.
Quote from: MisterJingoQuote from: runlolaQuote from: jilolaIf you plan to use strong doses make sure you have a sober sitter around to stop you from hurting yourself.
The hallucinations caused by salvia are indistinguishable from reality and often the person has no recollection of taking the stuff.
Be especially careful if you use a vaporiser to ingest the herb.
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Jouni
are you serious? you can buy this stuff on the internet &
it makes you trip out like that? that's hard to believe
Yes. I believe it has been made illegal in Australia, but as far as I know its still legal in most other countries. And yes, it can be an amazingly potent psychedelic. It's actually for sale in quite a few shops near me :).
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml
Details some peoples experiences with this plant.
I've had experience with it too, which I won't go into here. But I would definately say start with low doses, read up on it, so you know what you are getting into, and definately have a trip-sitter. It is possible to lose all bodily (And life) awareness as you get caught up in its experience.
Sure. I've read that the initial activation doesn't last any longer than five minutes in most cases, or up to a half an hour (very rare). A few states in America have created criminal offenses for using or possession of salvia, but luckily texas isn't one of them.
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Sure. I've read that the initial activation doesn't last any longer than five minutes in most cases, or up to a half an hour (very rare). A few states in America have created criminal offenses for using or possession of salvia, but luckily texas isn't one of them.
The thing to keep in mind is if you do manage to have a breakthrough experience, the experience might only last 2-5 minutes in baseline time, but to the person experiencing it, time dilation can make it seem infinitely longer. Not only that, it can obliterate ones concept of time totally, and so subjectively you can be there for what feels like forever.
It's just something to be very careful with, as most people I know who have experience with salivia agree that it has a sting in its tail :smile:. It can be a very stern teacher.
Quote from: runlolathe place I buy incense from has all these weird herbs,
I didn't think they actually did anything...lol...thanks for the info..
I read it only lasts for a short time, that's good news.
Most of the 'legal highs' are a waste of money to be honest. Although some do have such things as LSA (morning glory seeds(!)) in them. Salvia is an unusual exception as it can be staggeringly potent. Although I think it will be scheduled in more and more places as time goes on.
lol i was just talking to my friend about this stuff the other day.
i smoked this once a long time ago.. omg!!
i was sitting on the couch in my apartment, but when i smoked this stuff i swear i was sitting on a log in a forrest! i also saw a troll.
i'm so so for real, this was freaky stuff.
and yea it only lasted a few mins. 1-3 mins, dont remember.
and after i smoked it , i felt really aggrivated, i snapped at my friend and just wanted to be alone.
if anyone does this , you should for real have someone with you.
Quote from: The Entropic MindAnd I've read its nice to have a sitter near by to keep watch, but I don't think its really nessecary, I'll just be in my room, so its not that big of a deal.
It all depends on the dose and your tolerance for the stuff.
Above certain lelves the stuff disconnects you completely from the usual reality and leave to reacting to the hallucinatory world. It's entirely possible you may mmove around and leave the room without knowing.
A high dose can leave a total blank in your memory so a sitter can be helpful in making notes of what you experience and how you behave when otherwise you'd have only a blank spot.
Chewing is probably the safest method as you can control the dose by spitting the stuff out once the desired level has been reached. The taste is foul though.
Just because salvia d. is legal doesn't mean it cannot turn a round and bite you in the arse. Treat this substance with respect and it'll respect you in return.
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can some one please enlighten me on this salvia?
what is it?
sorry im bit ignorant of it
Quote from: runlolaQuote from: MisterJingoMost of the 'legal highs' are a waste of money to be honest. Although some do have such things as LSA (morning glory seeds(!)) in them. Salvia is an unusual exception as it can be staggeringly potent. Although I think it will be scheduled in more and more places as time goes on.
yeah...I am not interested in getting high, I think the experiences are very interesting though..
The place I order incense from has top quality incense so I suppose their herbs are the best too.
A bunch of different dream herbs, extracts & seeds that various native tribes use..
None of it's not illegal where I am yet...Salvia--I saw 5X, 10X, 15X, 20X, 40X & a sublingual tincture.
Holy Moly, 40x? I didn't know they made it that strong; Thats loco levels.
Quote from: atomvycan some one please enlighten me on this salvia?
what is it?
sorry im bit ignorant of it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum
40X???? :shock: :lol: I bought some 15x a while ago and that excrement majorly tripped me out. I smoked a little bit of it and suddenly my legs exited my body and they where floating out on mid air, it was messed up. It hits you so fast too. After the first time I stuffed like 3 times the first amount in the pipe, hit it really hard and it hit me so fast I went to put the pipe down and before I knew it I didnt know which hand the pipe was in and then suddenly I was laying on my bed. My bed folded up over me and it turned into a rainbow colored tunnel and I was sliding through it. I looked over at my TV and scenes of things that triggered mental recollections from years and years ago and a sense of "I have been told of this moment before, it was prophecized" ran through my head. It often caused me to break out in a vicious full body sweat after the effects wore off and my skin got hyper sensitive to the sensation of clothes on it.
One time I took a giant rip and layed back and my friend asked me what I felt and it felt like I could feel every single fiber of cloth on my body and I said in a strange voice "I can feel my shirt, and the itchy" and proceeded to fall through the floor and snap back into my body. The stuffs nuts, honestly.
It should also be noted that it tends to have a reverse-tolerance effect on some people. The more one smokes it, the less is needed the next time to have the same or greater effect. Not to be played with.
Quote from: knightlightI smoked a little bit of it and suddenly my legs exited my body and they where floating out on mid air, it was messed up. It hits you so fast too. After the first time I stuffed like 3 times the first amount in the pipe, hit it really hard and it hit me so fast I went to put the pipe down and before I knew it I didnt know which hand the pipe was in and then suddenly I was laying on my bed. My bed folded up over me and it turned into a rainbow colored tunnel and I was sliding through it. I looked over at my TV and scenes of things that triggered mental recollections from years and years ago and a sense of "I have been told of this moment before, it was prophecized" ran through my head. It often caused me to break out in a vicious full body sweat after the effects wore off and my skin got hyper sensitive to the sensation of clothes on it.
One time I took a giant rip and layed back and my friend asked me what I felt and it felt like I could feel every single fiber of cloth on my body and I said in a strange voice "I can feel my shirt, and the itchy" and proceeded to fall through the floor and snap back into my body. The stuffs nuts, honestly.
WOAH!!!!! THAT SOUNDS BRILLIANT!!!!
I want some of that rainbow coloured tunnel stuff!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I think it's illegal in this country, so next time I come and visit you knightlight - would you get some in for us?!! :wink:
Sarah
no its not illegal sarah any of the "zen" new age shops will sell it.
its really profound stuff, you know exactly what the trip means when your tripping, but when your back down again- trying to comprehend what just happened will be impossible.
i remember sensing different lifeforms around me, and kept speaking to them, but only after i was half way through conversation did i realise i was talking to something that wasnt there (or was??)
at one point i was the ball in a game of tennis between to pigmi type men, then i felt i was being watched by a group of spirits who were giving me the impression that "i should not be there" very very odd.
this is really educational stuff which should be respected for what it does to you, its like going to school being high on this stuff.
tbh magic mushrooms are a lot lighter and more playful, but the insights about oneself are still there.
Quote from: Runloladid you have a sitter? do you always need a sitter or
it's that just in the beginning?
Have a sitter at least during the first experiences while you are familiarising yourself to the effects and your sensitivity. Later on, once you have a good handle on proper dosage and know how you tend to behave during the trip, you may chose to have the experience without a sitter.
Most people are unable or unwilling to move during an experience but some tend to move and while being dissociated from your usual reality you can get hurt.
Quote from: RunlolaI read some people use it for meditation, how does that work?
Take a very low dose to cause the perceptual shift. Perhaps 3/4 of a low dose (which you are supposed to have found for yourself above)
Quote from: Runlolalike I read the tincture is mild
Thatdepends entirely on the tincture. Some are basically just water with salvia juice mixed in. Others are specifically created solution using pure salvinorin and high proof alcohol.
I suspect the best liquid for is available from http://www.sagewisdom.org/gatekeeper.html
Incidentally sagewisdom.org along woth erowig.org are probably the best places to learn about salvia. Nice trip reports on both sites as well.
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jouni
you wont need a sitter if you know yourself enough, i think people only do crazy stuff when there conscious mind falls asleep during a trip, but people like this probably have a constant monkey mind going on- i prefer to be alone when im tripping because my intention is to go inside myself.
imo any hallucinogen is a great thing to do whilst meditating, any psychotropic will give you great insight into whatver it is your channeleing it into (exerxise, musical intrument, dancing etc..) and the mind is no different.
Meditating on a mushroom trip will blow your mind, your muscles get a hell of a lot more relaxed so you have a much more clear picture of where the tension is in your body, i think it it was done like this regular it'd speed up the kundalini process 100x, thats down to the person.
my salvia trip lasted about 40 mins, but only ten minuites actually felt like i wasnt in this dimension, the other 30 was like being inbetween worlds- i was starring into a mirror for the come down and i felt like i wasnt looking at me, my face kept changing shape.
Quote from: runlolathe idea of sober people watching you trip can make you
a little self conscious maybe...but safety is first
Think about the sitter as air traffic control. They are there to make sure you are safe and can thus enjoy the experience without worrying about getting hurt. "Ground control to Major Tom...."
Their job is to prevent physical harm and to be aq comfort and groundig agent if you end up with a bad trip.
That's why the sitter should be someone you trust.
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Jouni
I have mass ammounts of this stuff. Figuring that the Federales will be shutting it down soon, I ordered up. I never use a sitter caus I don't really care to. I use to get panic attacks a lot, before I even tried Salvia.
I was scared s-less to try Salvia. Here's the deal. Become at peace with death before you try it. See, I'm all about excitement, I could care less what happens.
Now for me, Salvia is more or less a different type of thing everytime. Mostly it's body sensations. However, for me it's usually like feeling like my body is sevaral feet from me. I don't really see my body, but it's like, if I'm walking, it's ahead of me. I've been sucked into vacuums, black holes, vortexes. I've been to fairy lands, pumpkin farms.
I've tried all the brands. Word of advice. Don't go and buy it at a smoke shop locally. You'll get screwed. I dont' take one hit either. I take like 50 hits. Of course after the initial BANG.
Some say Salvia is not a party drug? I call BS. I've had more fun with Salvia at parties. I usually pack a huge huge pipe, have peopel sit in a circle and pass the thing around till everyone is obliterated. It's hella fun I think. Especially when a first timer is going HOLY SH**, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT STUFF.
I have tried the regular leaf, and the extract. I bought a huge bag of the leaf for very cheap. I'll tell you whut. The big leaf, for me is far more potent. I took like 10 huge hits and I was trippin my socks off for a good 1/2 hour. I was praying to just come down. Seriously. It was like acid for me. But I'm just that way. Things affect me far greater than other people since I started having panic attacks.
However, the only thing that really gives me anxiety, is worrying about how the salvia trip is going to be. So I just tell myself, if I die, I die and that's how I've come to peace with the effects of Sally D.
Kevin
Quote from: runlola:eek:
it's like that.. is it?
:confused:
so do you lose touch with reality or not...is it possible
that you will drop the blowtorch without knowing, set the place on fire,
while sitting there like a zombie?
You can totally lose touch with reality - or you might not. Usually first time use sees little effect (it took me a few tries to 'break through') - although this isn't a given.
If you have a ligher which doesn't turn off - there is a possibility of dropping it and causing a fire. All the reason to have a trip sitter :smile:.
Quote from: MisterJingoIf you have a ligher which doesn't turn off - there is a possibility of dropping it and causing a fire. All the reason to have a trip sitter :smile:.
Ooh, definitely. I've talked to people who've done the stuff, and they said they've sat and stared for a solid 15 minutes while imagining they were doing all sorts of things. Totally out of it. If you were to start a fire in a situation like that, you would be
pretty screwed without assistance. :)
Quote from: runlola:eek:
it's like that.. is it?
:confused:
so do you lose touch with reality or not...is it possible
that you will drop the blowtorch without knowing, set the place on fire,
while sitting there like a zombie?
Oh yes, you can lose touch. I watched someone drop a bong before staring into space for about 1 min, totally oblivious to anything around them. And that's after just 1 hit of 5x. I wouldn't advise to try it just out of curiosity. Or at all, for that matter. It's not fun, just ridiculously intense.
Quote from: knucklebrain1970I have mass ammounts of this stuff. Figuring that the Federales will be shutting it down soon, I ordered up. I never use a sitter caus I don't really care to. I use to get panic attacks a lot, before I even tried Salvia.
I was scared s-less to try Salvia. Here's the deal. Become at peace with death before you try it. See, I'm all about excitement, I could care less what happens.
Now for me, Salvia is more or less a different type of thing everytime. Mostly it's body sensations. However, for me it's usually like feeling like my body is sevaral feet from me. I don't really see my body, but it's like, if I'm walking, it's ahead of me. I've been sucked into vacuums, black holes, vortexes. I've been to fairy lands, pumpkin farms.
I've tried all the brands. Word of advice. Don't go and buy it at a smoke shop locally. You'll get screwed. I dont' take one hit either. I take like 50 hits. Of course after the initial BANG.
Some say Salvia is not a party drug? I call BS. I've had more fun with Salvia at parties. I usually pack a huge huge pipe, have peopel sit in a circle and pass the thing around till everyone is obliterated. It's hella fun I think. Especially when a first timer is going HOLY SH**, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT STUFF.
I have tried the regular leaf, and the extract. I bought a huge bag of the leaf for very cheap. I'll tell you whut. The big leaf, for me is far more potent. I took like 10 huge hits and I was trippin my socks off for a good 1/2 hour. I was praying to just come down. Seriously. It was like acid for me. But I'm just that way. Things affect me far greater than other people since I started having panic attacks.
However, the only thing that really gives me anxiety, is worrying about how the salvia trip is going to be. So I just tell myself, if I die, I die and that's how I've come to peace with the effects of Sally D.
Kevin
You're giving pretty irresponsible advice there...
Quote from: The Entropic Mind
You're giving pretty irresponsible advice there...
why?
hes right about the trip being different for everyone, id never do this stuff at a party, but thats me.
tbh a mushroom trip is more effective at opening ones mind than salvia. You tend to have atleast some reccollection of what you understand when your tripping. With salvia the trip is just a hazy memory.
taking mushrooms is like remembering to take photos on holiday.
salvia is forgetting your camera in the first place.
Quote from: Greenratwhy?
hes right about the trip being different for everyone, id never do this stuff at a party, but thats me.
Exactly because of what yiu just said: The experience is different for everyone.
What may be easy and simple to handle for KnuckelBrain may be extremely strong and difficult for the next guy.
Knuckle's post gives the impression it's a party drug.
Quote from: KnucklebrainSome say Salvia is not a party drug? I call BS.
Someone taking that at face value could get seriosly hurt.
After you've taken salvia at various doses up to a maybe level 4 you can strat assuming the experience is controllable and safe without a sitter. Until then I strongly suggest treating salvia with due respect. It may not be necessary but I tend to think it's better to err on th side on caution.
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I've seen many places online to buy dried leaves and whatnot, but what about live plants/cuttings? I'd like to grow my own but haven't found anyplace to get live plants/cuttings from.
Dave
Definitely not a party drug.
For me and those I've sat with, 5-10 minutes for the peak, it lessens after that, after effects lasting for maybe 30-45 minutes.
My friend had one of those, live a different lifetime in 5 minutes kind of experience with it. Most people forget all the details of their experience quickly, however.
The way things are going, this will probably a scheduled controlled substance in all the U.S. fairly soon.
Ah, water kills more people in a month that salvia has even hurt people over several years.
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Quote from: jilolaAh, water kills more people in a month that salvia has even hurt people over several years.
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Jouni
exactly, its got nothing to do with the danger they pose to our bodies, its about not wanting people to have these kinds of profound experiences, the ruling elite will always want to supress people from experiencing something more meaningful than tabloid stories and soap operas.
but hey, atleast they give us ciggarettes and booze, who needs life changing insights into there own nature when you can get drunk and..
1) play chicken with a train and end up as mincemeat
2) end up picking fights with random people and getting thrown in hospital or prison.
3) waking up the next day more comatose than "awake"
hey druggies would ya recommend all this and do you need to continue with it to attain the same astral gateway you experience.
I fall into lucidity and fly in my mind by relaxing and slowly switching off my frontal conscious thoughts e.c.t until i am witness to the gradual paralysis of my nervous system(logged off and shutdown!) takes time and practice and some courage to let go when you know something's happening then boom i'm lucid, should i just look for this saliva stuff is it easier?.
You cannot attain anything with any drug, legal or otherwise.
The only thing you can get is a feel for the goal. Then you have to follow the experience with the regular chemically unassisted practice to get there.
If you start using, say, salvia on a constant basis to attain something it'll kick you where it hurts.
What do you mean by gradual paralysis? A medical condition or a progressing facility with sleep paralysis sort of thing?
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jilola,
when most people are asleep their body is locked, paralysed.
I can induce this state and be conscious/witness to the gradual shutdown mind/body break where i would become lucid.
To attach words to experiences and feelings in this tunneling effect is tricky to say the least but hopefully someone out there knows what i'm describing.
ub
Ubi:OK. I was just making sure you weren't talking about MS or something similar that'll paralyse you up close and personal.
There are no words really, aren't there? Freaky when it happens when you watch.
If you can induce it then a drug would only hinder your progress, imo.
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Jouni
sweet, i have been reading everything i can on this stuff for ages and am defo gonna try it, the problem i have is that no one would sit with me while i try it as everyone i know is dead against any type of drugs, my parents are going out this weekend so ill be by myself in the house, i cant friggin wait now, i bet ill go to were its sold and they'll have none left, the shop were i can get the stuff use to sell shrooms till they were illegalised in ireland the bastards! now im gonna have to try something else and i have heard nothing but good (till i saw some of your comments) about SD, ill report back when im done
Start with a low dose :smile:
Find out how you react to it before trying higher doses.
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Ha ha. I'd encourage starting with a low dose of salvia too. People really vary on this stuff. From my experiences as pretty much within a few seconds of taking it I forget that I even had it. I'm in another "place" experiencing something quite different. What I got out of it was quite profound but as others have said "nothing is really attained" the memory is there later but your main personality or ego hasn't really internalized the experience the way you do when you meditate or do other internal work. That being said Salvia is in my experience far more potent than LSD or Mushrooms in that you quite literally can be "gone" - but the length of time has been relatively short for me. I'd probably recommend a sitter or someone in another room that you trust. People can do strange things on this stuff.
All drugs have different effects on everybody, obviously. For me, drugs never helped me accomplish anything. But I do have a friend, who has absolutely no interest in the paranormal, who took salvia and had an out of body experience where he was standing behind the couch looking at himself sitting down. He actually had a conversation with himself!
When I tried salvia the room just changed slightly, but I don't think I smoked enough. (Or it might have had something to do with I was super stoned). Also though, the majority of people I know who have tried it have had very negative experiences, so in my opinion I don't think it's worth the risks.
QuoteFrom my experiences as pretty much within a few seconds of taking it I forget that I even had it. I'm in another "place" experiencing something quite different.
This is the reason I keep telling that having a sitter is necessary.
It's easy to end up in a hallucinatory world without any clue that it's a hallucinaiton and not the usual real word.
One might do something that makes total sense in the perceived reality and would be dangerous in the actual world. A sitter would stop one from proceeding.
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Jouni
How do the users of Salvia see their sitters? What if they see them as horrible monsters and attack?
As for me, I know a guy who tried quite a joint of weed, and he ended up thinking that everybody has turned into wolves and..umm..attacking them.
Quoteand he ended up thinking that everybody has turned into wolves and..umm..attacking them.
Sounds odd for weed. The paranoia fits an overly stiff dose but seeing peeps as wolves? Hmm, perhaps something else was being consumed as well?
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i could only get the 5X, tried it, need something stronger :(
slight visuals when i was lying on the bed, could sort of see a faint outline of a jelly fish swimming when i closed my eyes, i only felt slightly sluggish, was laughing a bit at random crap, then i answered the phone and it was for me but for some reason i thought i was away out, so i said "he's gone out, bye", apart from that the buzz lasted about 30 mins tops, really need the strong stuff i'd say, not really worth the price of €20 though :P
Quote from: jilolaQuoteand he ended up thinking that everybody has turned into wolves and..umm..attacking them.
Sounds odd for weed. The paranoia fits an overly stiff dose but seeing peeps as wolves? Hmm, perhaps something else was being consumed as well?
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I can believe that, especially if it was his first time, or he doesn't smoke very often. It also could have been a flashback from a hallucinogen, if he had taken those in the past. I have had faint shroom flashbacks while stoned, but I've had a couple of friends who have had really intense ones.
My first experience with weed is so vague in my memory that it had to be recounted to me, but apparently I was hallucinating that my favorite actor was in the room, and freaking out over it. So I think hallucinations with weed are possible, just extremely rare. Weed is a drug, and drugs affect everyone differently.
I think he was just very sensitive to weed, besides, he's not a keen drug user.
Quote from: VilkateHow do the users of Salvia see their sitters? What if they see them as horrible monsters and attack?
I don't think this would happen.
I tried some last night with some friends, and when you get to the point where you'd potentially see your friends as other things, you don't have enough control over your body to mount any serious offensive on them. Sitting down is safest.
These are high quality Salvia divinorum leaves, organically grown, pesticide-free, mostly unbroken whole healthy specimens from a private farm. These Salvia leaves have a very sweet scent, most of the stems are removed (that means more leaf), and they are blessed by a Mazatec Shaman before they leave the farm. Tested to consistently possess considerably higher levels of salvinorin per gram; averaging around 4mg-5mg. We have had many customers try the Bali Salvia, only to return to this gold standard for quality.
I did the bolding. :wink: This is from a site where you can buy different Salvia products.
Quote from: runlolafrom what I read you have to take it a few times before it really works.
how many, its too expensive for me to be buying it all the time and what sort of gap should you leave between hits then?
plus i was using my homemade gravity bong as i read that gives the best effect, meant i had 2 litres of pure smoke to suck up, i was doing 0.4g hits
with a space of about 10 mins in between hits since the bong takes a while to prepare, all in all i did 2x0.4 and 1x0.2 since i only had a gram of the excrement.
atat23:
If you smoke it you need a hot flame (torch lighter) and to hold the smoke longer than with weed. As long as you can, basically.
There are about 10% of people who get nothing at all from salvia but it doesn't sound like you'äre one of them.
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i think it burned quite well, i rigged up a normal lighter so i could hold it right up to the bowl and the bong filled up nicely wit the smoke , maybe need to hold the smoke longer, i read 30 secs so held it for about that, i have more so will try agin soon, just keep the tips rolling in :D
Seriously, a regular lighter is not good enough.
A regular lighter may get some of the salvinorin to vapourise but only a fraction.
Try the same with a good butane torch lighter :smile:
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Quote from: atat23what sort of gap should you leave between hits then?
The effects should start to hit you while you're still holding it in. It peaks a minute or so later.
If you don't want to keep buying the stuff, you can grow your own. It'd cost more initially, but if you decide that you like the experience enough to have it around regularly, this will save you massive amounts of money in the long run.
The plants seriously aren't much more than a gram of 10X, and you can have several plants and just pick and dry your own leaves. They aren't hard to maintain, either, from my research. Just be sure to read up on how to take care of them; they like plenty of water/mistings and cool places. Dry the leaves like you would dry any other herb. One method is to lay the leaves around outside inside some newspaper pages, for example.
You can create your own 10X extract with some dried leaves, acetone (you'll probably have to buy this but it isn't expensive), and something to filter the dried leaves out. You pretty much dissolve the salvinorin in acetone, and then add in dried leaves and let the acetone evaporate in low heat. The salvinorin soaks back into a smaller quantity of leaves, and you thus have "10X," or about 10x the salvinorin per quantity of dried leaf.
If you plan on sticking with salvia, you should consider eventually doing this, because you'd save a lot of money, and the quality is pretty much the exact same as commercial salvia. Read instructions on other pages, though, because I haven't given you enough info to go off of alone.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_extraction1.shtml
http://ethnobotany.yage.net/salviax.html
Etc., it's all on Google.