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Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Vilkate on June 09, 2006, 20:11:56
I submitted my vote; however, I feel that multiple answers can be applied to the explanation of negs, as there are the ones we create with our fears, the ones that are attracted bey our fears, the ones that are truly evil, and so on, and so forth...


By the way, is anybody from the present from New Jersey?  :roll:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: mactombs on June 09, 2006, 22:44:10
The thing that bothers me about the possibility of negs (particularly the occult definition of demons) most is that they aren't like bears or lions, predators that consume flesh, but psychological parasites and predators, all hell-bent on total destruction; things that feed off negativity, off abuse, off fear, off hate, off depression. That's scary.

On the other hand, I think about these negative emotions, and it occurs to me that most of them have a base in this earth system, and most can be reduced down to fear. Fear is ultimately broken down to fear of mortal death. Abuse is a chain of negativity. Hate, what is hate but a desire to destroy or conquer what one fears? Like Monroe would say, it's all based off the predator-prey system. That makes me think maybe all negs are produced or the results of humanity's "dark side" - but purely an effect of the earth system.

Without death, how many negative emotions can exist? If you can't kill or be killed, why fear and why hate?


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 09, 2006, 23:02:42
Yeah, I didn't see my opinion listed.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Mitch on June 10, 2006, 02:18:19
I didn't vote, but only because I agree with a few of the options. These ones:

I think they exist only in the imagination
I think only those who believe in it are affected
I don't believe this is possible (I don't believe they are actual entities)
I think it's actually paranoia & mental illness
I think its a manifestation of fear


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Greytraveller on June 10, 2006, 05:02:33
I also did not choose any of the options because none fit my best description ---- what is ----
a discarnate that, for whatever reason, is hostile to the person who encounters it. A neg could still be living and be only temporarily OOB or could be someone who is dead and permanently discarnate. A neg entitiy could have been harmed or otherwise wronged by the person at an earlier point in time. A neg could also have been a very violent or malicious person when alive who continues being violent and malicious when dead.
Negs could also be the product of a person's fears. That does happen. But not all malevolent discarnates are only thought forms. So several of the choices could describe a neg entitiy but imao none of those choices best describe it.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Grigori on June 10, 2006, 11:00:21
Well I think it all depends on how you define what a "neg" is. If someone has an OOBE and has a little fun messing with the neighbor while they sleep is he a "neg" or are "negs" only things that try to suck out energy?


Title: Are 'negs' created by our fantasy?
Post by: yothu on June 10, 2006, 21:09:59
I've had the opinion for a long period of time that negs are something very real, just that many others might not be aware of it.

After much reading here, own experience and a TV show of Derren Brown, named "Sťance", I decided that there is no such thing as 'negs' in my reality.

I just have to think about Nay's comment in a thread here called "Possession": "...I'm not about to fight with every person that comes over from Astral Demonics to prove ya'll are the most depressing and dependent people...Plus, I tried the intellegent road, now I'm just totally frustrated at the lack of taking responsiblity and taking charge in ones life."


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 10, 2006, 21:30:02
Astral Demonics :lol:  I forgot I said that, I love it. :grin:  Funny you mention the AD forums, I just was reading on it this morning and I found this little gem.

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I am writing this post not as a proposal to an experiment, but rather as a start for an experiment. I am seeing if I can make a post with energy programs which track down and handle most manner of negative entities in an individual. This should also clean up any negative energy in a forum and protect those who are posting from negs that others might have. If you do not wish to be a part of this or don't want this post to possibly get rid of bad energy or negs then don't read any further than this.


*************************************************************

Program build up of energy................

Random sign to attach programs to here:

Quote:


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Program system reboot: every 27 days

Finished


Seriously folks, am I the only one whom thinks there is something really wacked about this?  This reeks of fantasy land if you ask me.  And the more people that by into this kind of thing, the more negs they will create.  I think I've said pretty much all along, people with these so called neg problems are wanting the problems.

oops.. I meant, buy not by...


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nikpalj on June 14, 2006, 12:30:38
About mental disease and paranoia... read the e-book "Thirty years among the Dead" by dr. Carl Wickland.

I'll just say that the only way you can find out for sure that the negs actually do exist and that they are not products of imagination, or thought forms is to somehow get possessed. And then you also find that you've crossed the line and that now nobody else believes what you're saying is true... there's simply no way to prove to anyone that what's happening to you is real, that the entities are truly some kind of intelligent and malevolent spirits.

Disregarding all the people with heavy neg problems that have been posting on AD, disregarding Spectral Dragon, Violetsky, Mick and others work - do you think that Robert Bruce is also some kind of a dreamer, a clown?


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 14, 2006, 18:00:21
I think Robert has been possessed by the greed and ego monster, that is what I think, Nikpalj.  My opinions on negs will never change.  I have been show the true faces of most of these people hocking their wares, and do not trust them as far as I can throw them.  To make a buck off of people's fears instead of giving people their power back, is so wrong to me... it ticks me off to no end.

For more click here...
http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=3202&highlight=


Etheric resevoir, that ONE day will be explained.. WTF?  and what about "my negs are discouraging me from suggestions"  Give me a fvcking break. :roll:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: paker7 on June 14, 2006, 18:18:00
Standard thinking:
You ................ negs
You ................ them
good............... evil
duality

Try to realize that you are ONE and ALL, learn to love YOURSELF (including the "negs")  :wink:  :cool:  :grin:


ps. i didn't vote


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: daem0n on June 14, 2006, 23:36:19
well, i meant i had a VERY precise and alien urge to not post it which originated outside of my mind, the fact that i am meditating and observing my own reactions for 2 years straight makes it even harder for me to distinguish such (and yes, i had my own doubts about posting this, quite different from the one i mentioned, interesting ..)

the construct is working, but i doubt it will make any difference
if you do not know what astral construct is, check here:
www.psipog.net

i'd love to know your opinion about voodoo :)
and do you believe in astral plane, Nay ? nah
surely if there is whole physical universe, there is whole astral universe, not that hard to imagine, is it ? and since there is no real space there .. yeah, not that hard to imagine at all .. oh, forgot earth is only planet with intelligent lifeforms in the whole universe .. is it ? OR YOU DON'T KNOW ?
and stop being so toxic, your despise, pity, smirking, everything is just so so .. overwhelming, now as before
do negs exist ? nay


paker7
oversimplified and thus false
and just because you love someone it doesn't mean he/she/it disappears, right ? even in the astral

runlola

about the poll, there are 4 options
thoughtforms
alienated aspects of oneself
brain dysfunction
independent entities

+ don't believe in it ;)


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: paker7 on June 15, 2006, 00:08:00
Quote from: daem0n
paker7
oversimplified and thus false


It IS that simple, you just can't understand this concept yet it seems.

Imagine that on a higher level everything is connected to everything and that all information is transfered instantaneously and because of this perfect connection every point of universe knows exactly everything about the whole universe.

It is possible to experience this in a very deep meditation, it can't be remembered here in a physical universe - too much information for our brains.

IMHO Perfect connection = oneness

Google "cosmic consciousness" "quantum entanglement"


Quote from: daem0n

and just because you love someone it doesn't mean he/she/it disappears, right ? even in the astral


Why do you want them to disappear ?
Do you hate them ?


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 15, 2006, 00:47:19
Dae, daemon, dan..whatever your name is, I'm not going to get into a some ego battle about negs with you.   If you want to know what I believe in or not, just read my posts.  But why worry what I think when you have fans like, Nik, runlola, muse, dk, sd and all the neg lovers at astral demonics? :thumbsup:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Vilkate on June 15, 2006, 00:58:34
So fun to see people being irritated upon the fact that others have different opinions, just because they argue with their reality.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: daem0n on June 15, 2006, 10:01:40
paker7
i find that being everything doesn't solve any problem, i merged with the universe 1.5 half year ago (i mean i experienced in my body everything as though it were my body)
the presence of entities tends to drain you and causes other detrimental effects, that's why i want to them to disappear
i love them if my anger doesn't flare

Nay
you have one aspect of truth
i was reacting because some of my "negs" were excuse not to change myself
but, some things i met were causing big disturbances for no apparent reason
and i can clairvoyantly (i mean with my physical eyes, not 3 eye screen whatever) see them
i love you :D
i ask you to forgive my irrespectible behaviour
in the end, it's all good and it's needed
thank you


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: paker7 on June 15, 2006, 13:43:42
Quote from: daem0n
the presence of entities tends to drain you and causes other detrimental effects, that's why i want to them to disappear


The key to being safe is:

BEING COMPLETELY SURE THAT YOU ARE 100% SAFE

If it's too hard for you to believe that you are safe, i may be able to help you. (if you are interested)

ps. i wrote a long post earlier but it was lost because the AP server was unreachable  :mad:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 15, 2006, 14:48:17
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Nay
you have one aspect of truth
i was reacting because some of my "negs" were excuse not to change myself
but, some things i met were causing big disturbances for no apparent reason
and i can clairvoyantly (i mean with my physical eyes, not 3 eye screen whatever) see them
i love you :grin:
i ask you to forgive my irrespectible behaviour
in the end, it's all good and it's needed
thank you


Don't you see, it's not "negs" that are controlling you, YOU control you.  Stop giving these things life, stop handing over control to something that cannot exsist without YOU giving it life. Stop, stop, stop.   Take responsibilities for your own actions.  

The pattern I see, is people acting out and then blaming their negs.  Why is that?  I have said over and over that I believe in negs, but they are nothing to worry about.  I, myself have encountered what I would say to be negs, but never has anything hurt me, just scared me.

Stop giving these things life.  It's obvious that you have now created a partnership with these things.  You even call them "my negs"  You need to find something else to focus on and getting on messenger to have someone rid you of negs, is not the way to go.  Go the opposite direction.  You don't need help, because you can be done with them now....this very minute.

Now, before I get bombarded by the neg squad, I'll say those whom find themselves, "attacked" in the physical and hear evil voices and whatnots...that is a chemical embalance and needs to be handled by a REAL doctor, not a fictional "depossessor" (hehehe..ahh.. that still makes me giggle) So, no one from the neg squad needs to come and explain to me in a long butt post, that I'm a evil, non feeling, sarcastic b!tch and I don't know what I'm talking about, Mmmkay?

The other thing I want to mention, I know when we are young, we find this fascination in the darker side of things and love to scare ourselves, but I'm seeing it on a whole new level this days.  With all of the advancement in graphics and the scary movies these days, younger folks are being..oh..what is the word?...... conditioned..nope..umm.. desensitized!  So, in order for you to get that "rush" you need think that you are being attacked, possessed and controlled by other beings.  And the cherry on top, is having a well known metephysical author, telling you that you ARE being attacked, possessed and controlled by negs.  GRRRRRRRRR...that pisses me off...  :twisted:  I know, I've already said that, but damnit, it does.  It's not right.  No one has to live in fear, nor in discomfort because of some 'neg'.  

Another thing that just popped into my head.   We all need a focus and want to be needed, have friends, be liked, be interesting, be knowledgable, etc..  I would bet 90% of the people whom think they have negs, are just looking to be accepted, loooking for a purpose, friends, interesting...yadda, yadda.  Dont' get me wrong. I'm sure some are actually feeling something.. oh, let's say, a tingling in the chakra area, or a pin prick in your foot..there are many more examples, but I'm tiring of hearing myself talk.   Once again, I'd bet it is nothing more than normal bodily functions.. and trust me, the older you get the more your body makes noise, hurts and just plain out doesn't like to work some days. :rolling:  Until you find something else to bide that time and start taking responsiblity, you will never rid yourself of those negs.

I appreciate your apology, and I'm sorry that I come across as pretty mean, but it only means I care.  I'm a mom...trust me, I got lots of love.. but one must stop using crutches.

Take Care,
Nay


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: daem0n on June 15, 2006, 15:06:29
paker7
i'm interested, thank you

Nay
i agree with general thought, but some of the sensations i experienced were off the mark, in peculiar situations to say at least
the "my negs" part was purely grammar, i mentioned in previous post that i understood my subcon was creating most of it as a distraction, and i am finishing with it altogether
still, in some cases negs are real deal
not mine anymore


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 15, 2006, 15:44:40
*sigh*

Quote from: Nay
I have said over and over that I believe in negs, but they are nothing to worry about. I, myself have encountered what I would say to be negs, but never has anything hurt me, just scared me.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: mactombs on June 15, 2006, 16:30:22
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Don't you see, it's not "negs" that are controlling you, YOU control you. Stop giving these things life, stop handing over control to something that cannot exsist without YOU giving it life. Stop, stop, stop. Take responsibilities for your own actions.


This is priceless advice - and in more than just in reference to negs.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: paker7 on June 15, 2006, 17:36:52
Quote from: daem0n
paker7
i'm interested, thank you


Ok

IMHO dreams (and nightmares) are happening in the astral.

Why i'm not afraid of anything in astral ?

This will be funny to some of you.  :wink:

My story:

Long long time ago i had many nightmares a year, then idSoftware made Doom ( a first person perspective computer game).

I became very very good at playing that game and eradicating all monsters, i was a much bigger threat to them than they were to me.

The coolest and my favorite weapon was the chainsaw.

I played Doom so often that i started to have dreams of killing (with that chainsaw)  anything that wanted to hurt me - a demon or a zombie was no problem for me i was a super hero warrior - just vvvrrllrvtlvtlll and the demon was a bloody pulp. Ok i admit that i was verrrrry afraid everytime  my dream started to become a nightmare, but then i was like "wait a second...  ...i still have my old trusty chainsaw ! VVVrrooooommmm ! And even if i don't have any weapons i still have my fists - where is that berserk powerup ?"  :lol:  (now after 10 years of powerlifting i know that i can be dangerous if someone bothers me IRL)  :twisted: .

I don't play those childish fps games anymore ( Operation Flashpoint Resistance is for grown men hehe ), but i still have a good time when there is some challenge or danger that i may fight against in the astral. It is a pleasure for me.

I have no nightmares now because every potential nighmare/encounter with "neg" quickly turns into a great adventure with happiness and pride (ohhh i'm soooo good - i fought against all odds and i won !) at the end.

What am i trying to say is that those games (Doom,Quake,Alien vs Predator) pumped something deep in my subconcious mind:
I always win !


This new thought ended my fear of everything non physical.


The moral is:

Somehow put a thought in your mind:
I am safe, i am a warrior, if some "neg" wants to play, he will lose because i am soo good, i am sooo great, i am invincible !!! They are nothing compared to me !!!

In another words simply trust and love yourself.

If you want that thought to work in your dreams and astral projections, you have to put it deep in your subconsious mind. Everytime you think about "negs" always remember that you are untouchable and after some time it will become true for you.

The negs will know that you are not an easy prey (easy to scare wimp) anymore and they will stop bothering you - they will play their dirty tricks on you - they will tell you that you are completely helpless and in their power - laugh at them, tell them that you are a new man, a warrior, a GOD.

They will go away to someone weaker than you.

Then you will have a chance to try to love them and covert them to "goods" with your love.  :grin:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: daem0n on June 15, 2006, 18:03:11
Nay
after husband of a friend of mine got cardial arrest during demonic attack, and the rest of the family was vomiting and fainting all over the place, i find it reasonable to assume, that there are things beyond me
your advice is true, and helped me move beyond myself, but it is not do all end all in this world, sadly


paker7
i am going through something similiar right now
i didn't have any nighmares for a long time, they stopped as i started to become empowered in my dreams, only one maybe a month ago, but i woke up and beat the intruder
it's just when i stand in the dark room, and my astral sight starts kicking in and i start to see shapes (faintly), my subcon brings every scariest thing they can look like
just balls of energy though, 2 days ago i managed to sit and watch swirling violet-black-yellow-green mist on my arm sprouting 2 metres high from it
with physical eyes
i also do not like to stare into mirrors in the darkness, especially if they are made into portals and i can sense things on the other side

overcoming each of those, since i can sense and feel higher presence around me protecting me, and as i am nurtured and energy flows through crown i grow stronger and can take on bigger things (conversion to catholicism, prayer and higher guidance, altough the dogma is :roll::lol:)


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: paker7 on June 15, 2006, 18:28:25
Quote from: daem0n
it's just when i stand in the dark room, and my astral sight starts kicking in and i start to see shapes (faintly), my subcon brings every scariest thing


Why are you afraid of them ?

Quote from: daem0n
i also do not like to stare into mirrors in the darkness, especially if they are made into portals and i can sense things on the other side


WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF THEM ???

Quote from: daem0n
conversion to catholicism


WHAT !!! ??? !!!


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Vilkate on June 15, 2006, 19:08:55
COME TO THE DARK SIDE!!!


(We have cookies! )


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: paker7 on June 15, 2006, 19:43:56
Quote from: Vilkate
COME TO THE DARK SIDE!!!


(We have cookies! )


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


What dark side do you mean ? Christianity ?

NO THANKS  :evil:  :twisted:  :mad:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Vilkate on June 15, 2006, 19:48:13
It depends on what you consider to be "the dark side".


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: daem0n on June 15, 2006, 19:57:08
i am afraid of dying, and then dying again in the astral
catholicism has established good power sources and support community (i mean in the astral)
i needed it to come out of the depression/possesion, and learned a lot about non-attachment from it (giving yourself to God, while we are all one, is a good way to hike up, especially if most of your traumas are about being controlled, i had really rough time with this)
i never considered the teachings of the Church the real deal, but prayers .. definitely, they raised my consciousness immensly


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: daem0n on June 15, 2006, 20:03:21
Quote from: daem0n
i am afraid of dying, and then dying again in the astral
catholicism has established good power sources and support community (i mean in the astral)

got it !!!
when i was 6 years old i have fallen of the ramp to the garage on my head, almost died (2 cm away from template), lost my sight for 24 hours
this is the day when i started to fear, especially darkness, i only remember going in a car, feeling wet and warm and seeing nothing, then fainted
not anymore, thank you really really really much
i am going hunting  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
Demetriusz


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 15, 2006, 22:23:34
Runlooooola, so refreshing to see you posting your opinion and not a media link.  Interesting that it takes this subject to get your motor running....does that give away to where your interest lies?    

So, I'm bashing now , am I?  I feel no waste of energy here, girlie, girl.   And unlike some people I don't have the ego to write a book about it.  I'll use Adrian's site to sing from the mountain tops, it works fine for me. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/leb.gif)

Obsessed?... I suppose I can say the same for the people with chronic neg problems.  Ok, obsessed I am then... I'm good with that. :grin:    Sorry you find me creepy, I find the crowd you enjoy, creepy, shall we argue about who's creepier? :skull:  

I don't get upset when they don't listen... I just keep talking. :grin:    And you want me to ask MYSELF if the negativity is good for me?..LOL...oh, boy.. that's funny.  I've been asking you neg lovers for years now, the same question.  So, do YOU think all this negativity is good for YOU?

Whom are these people amused by my entertainment? . I want names and then I shall charge them for my controlling, negative, and obsessive behavior.. I demand it!  get it? I demand it? :locolaugh:

I'm saddened by your smiley comment.. I thought you were the one who asked to add more because we didn't have enough?  Now I'm not allowed to use them.... too bad, I don't like your controlling ways, I shall use them now, in mulititude..  Muhahahah... yeah, I can be a b!tch.  :wink:

Geez.. I see the tag team as been hard at work.. I will respond if necessary.  I just love seeing that middle school mentality.
 :crazy3:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Vilkate on June 15, 2006, 23:22:50
Please stop, girls, you are not getting anywhere. Love, tolerance and forgiveness are the answers!  :smile:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 15, 2006, 23:26:39
Awwwww, lola, your true self is showing. :death:

Ok, Vilkate, I will cease.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: paker7 on June 15, 2006, 23:46:44
Continue ! This is entertaining !  :razz:

Quote from: runlola
grrrrr


Quote from: Nay
roarrr


Catfight !  :tickle:  :popcorn:  :hearts:

(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7845/yesno7ij.gif)


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: James S on June 16, 2006, 08:34:03
Intersting!

I just cast my vote and it looks like the "its a manifestation of fear" option seems to be coming along well ahead of the rest.

To me that's appropriate. That's what I've experienced the most in other people who've sought healing.

Blessings,
James.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Greytraveller on June 18, 2006, 05:36:13
Right. Here's a question that anyone can answer. I am especially interested to see replies from both runlola and Nay.

Here is the Premise ---
A serial killer murders several people. The serial killer is finally caught. The serial killer is tried in court, found guilty and eventually executed.
So here's the question - if the serial killer's soul/spirit/astral body/ethereal body/whatever survives his physical death (exeution) is it reasonable to assume that he will continue his destructive existence as a discarnate spirit :question:

Follow up question. If the answer is yes then does or does not that discarnate then qualify as a negative entity???

The answer is painfully obvious to me. Yes to both questions.

Honestly I do not understand the argument that negative entities are all a product of a person's fears. If anyone believes in the objective reality of the out of body phenomena -as I must assuredly do - then they also must admit that malicious, destructive, immoral and downright evil discarnates exist in the out of body state. It is all very straightforward, very simple and very inescapable.

Even most of the great masters of the OBE have reported negative or hostile encounters with discarnates. (Robert Monroe described several frightening OOB encounters in his books.) All great religions teach that such malevolent beings exist. Also dozens, or even hundreds, of people continue to report such encounters (in forums like this one amoung others). Nonreligious, disbelieving skeptics have reported frightening NDEs that include terrifying attack by vicious discarnates (the hellish NDE). I myself have had 3 or 4 violent encounters with various discarnates during OBEs.

Yet some people just don't get it :confused:

They claim that it's no big deal. Or that there is no need to be upset or concerned. Some say that malevolent discarnates don't even exist - it's all in a person's head and is only a product of a person's fears :roll:

In many ways those people are as annoying as the skeptics who refuse to believe in the possibility of the OBE or the NDE. They discount hundreds or thousands of personal accounts. No doubt some reports are wrong and some people have been mistaken. But not everybody is mistaken.
Not every report is false, or a hoax, or a cry for attention, or a manifestation of personal fears, or an attempt to evade personal responsibility.
Some reports about neg entities are accurate because those entities do exist and people do sometimes encounter them while OOB.
Rant over. :grin:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Greytraveller on June 21, 2006, 05:36:56
runlola
I agree that most serial killers are extremely antisocial. Therefore you are probably correct in presuming that most may haunt secluded places after their physical deaths. But it would be too presumptive to believe that All deceased spectral killers will quietly stay in out of the way places. Some will haunt buildings in cities and towns. Some will become (or remain) malevolent in spirit just as they were in the physical.
That is all I was trying to point out. Some people who are destructive, violent, antisocial and, yes, homicidal, while living in the physical will stay destructive, violent anti-social and homicidal in the spirit/astral/ethereal. Yet some will see 'the light' and "pass over". Some will not and will stay "earth bound' as negative entities.

PS. I know this for a fact because I have had violent encounters with some of these beings on at least 2 OBEs. :exclamation:  :exclamation:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nikpalj on June 21, 2006, 08:03:22
Like I said before, please read through (don't just take a look at it) "30 years among the dead", it's a century old - try to survive chapter 1, it's a genuinely alternative view on the all the "neg" bussiness (from a modern reader's point of view)...

Some of the things that are stated matter of factly I haven't seen anywhere else and from my own experience with the negs I deeply agree with it...

In our modern world we've simply forgotten that basically we are also spirits and that we're also living in the spirit world at all times, there are no "humans" really, just this sad unknowledgable state that we're presently in...


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 21, 2006, 11:25:43
Nik,

Post some of your experiences here, I'm sure the good people of Astral Pulse would find them fascinating.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on June 22, 2006, 01:27:23
Dont' be shy, Nik..  Here, allow me to posts some links to your more than interesting threads. this one is only a couple pages.  

http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2774&start=0

Let me dig up the twenty-one page thread about your negs.


http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1490&start=0

Ok.. now that everyone can understand where you are coming from.......


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: James S on June 22, 2006, 11:22:57
Quote from: Greytraveller
Right. Here's a question that anyone can answer. I am especially interested to see replies from both runlola and Nay.

Here is the Premise ---
A serial killer murders several people. The serial killer is finally caught. The serial killer is tried in court, found guilty and eventually executed.
So here's the question - if the serial killer's soul/spirit/astral body/ethereal body/whatever survives his physical death (exeution) is it reasonable to assume that he will continue his destructive existence as a discarnate spirit :question:

No, the soul of this person won't continue in that way.
Our souls are "God stuff" - pure light and pure love.
We cannot equate the emotions and actions of the physical body and mind - the ego - with the thoughts and actions of the soul. The soul exists on a higher level, completely removed from the fear based actions of the ego, which is essentially the root cause of all destructive actions.

The soul however does have a journey, you could say a journey of experience, to complete. As part of this journey the soul incarnates into physical form in order to achieve those experiences. The worst that can happen to the soul of a serial killer is that it will then choose to incarnate into its next physical "host" with a set of what can be called "karmic conditions" - challenges to overcome in order to repay its own karmic debt and learn the lessons needed to achieve growth or evolution.

The idea of the discarnate spirit of a serial killer becoming some deranged deadly poltergeist makes for books and movies much better than it does for real life. My experiences here come from helping "ghosts", discarnate souls that are still trapped in the Earth plane to cross over. I've yet to see a poltergeist be deliberately nasty. So far they've all been "lost souls" - frightened and confused rather than malicious.


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The answer is painfully obvious to me. Yes to both questions.

Why is this? Belief systems?
It might be good to learn to communicate with spirits in an impartial manner, here in this world, without the limitations or expectations of belief systems. You might experience something different.

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Honestly I do not understand the argument that negative entities are all a product of a person's fears. If anyone believes in the objective reality of the out of body phenomena -as I must assuredly do - then they also must admit that malicious, destructive, immoral and downright evil discarnates exist in the out of body state. It is all very straightforward, very simple and very inescapable.

Even most of the great masters of the OBE have reported negative or hostile encounters with discarnates. (Robert Monroe described several frightening OOB encounters in his books.) All great religions teach that such malevolent beings exist. Also dozens, or even hundreds, of people continue to report such encounters (in forums like this one amoung others). Nonreligious, disbelieving skeptics have reported frightening NDEs that include terrifying attack by vicious discarnates (the hellish NDE). I myself have had 3 or 4 violent encounters with various discarnates during OBEs.

The problem I see here with these comments is that as a human projecting into the astral you are still fully subject to your belief systems and expectations. No matter how impartial a projector claims to be, they are still experiencing things through human eyes, processing what they see with human thinking. Again, this does not equate with the consciousness of the soul which sees and comprehends things things in a way that is unhindered by human thought restrictions.

This is why the soul can also be called the "higher self". It operates on a dfferent level.

I would say to anyone here that if you want a more objective view into things like negs, stop going into the astral with human beliefs and expectations and spend a little more time with your feet firmly on the ground. Learn mediumship and allow the spirits to come to you and show you things from their perspective. It can make a big difference!

I don't dispute the existance of negs at all, but my experiences, and those of the mediums who work with me in a professional, spiritual teaching capacity, all view the subject of negs in the same way - that there is far more negativity out there that is a product of what we create within ourselves than there is "free-form" sentient negative entities or energies.

Through fear, the human ego is a far more prevalent "generator" of negative energies than the spirit world.

These are only my thoughts based on my experiences, which, I will say have become more broadened since I've started working full time at an institute for spiritual studies, but they are still only my thoughts.

It is true that our belief creates our reality. Therefore I will concede that while I may not agree with some people's perceptions of matters like negs, it is none the less their own reality they must deal with.

Blessings,
James.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Greytraveller on June 24, 2006, 06:54:34
James
No person can completely disregard their own belief system, either in the physical or while out of body. So, yes, I do have a definite system of beliefs, and, yes, I unavoidably carry that belief system with me when I go out of body.
However, the question of whether or not 'negative entities' exist or not is not a question about my belief system. I do not go OOB looking for trouble, I go OOB looking for answers, knowledge and information. Yet I have had violent encounters with discarnates while OOB.
So maybe I could have avoided these confrontations. Maybe. Maybe not. The real issue here is that these violent and malevolent discarnates do exist.
It would be nice to believe that all discarnates/souls are intrinsically light and love. That is something that I pointedly do not believe.
There is a malevolent, evil force that transcends individuals just as there is a light and loving force that also transcends individuals.
It would be a mistaken assumption to assume that all discarnates are human souls. Many discarnates have never been human and will never be human.
Also perhaps you should question your own belief system.
You wrote
                    "  Our souls are "God stuff" - pure light and pure love."
and
                     " The worst that can happen to the soul of a serial killer is that it will then choose to incarnate into its next physical "host" with a set of what can be called "karmic conditions" - challenges to overcome in order to repay its own karmic debt and learn the lessons needed to achieve growth or evolution. "


Frankly, to me, that appears very much like theory. It May apply to some souls. It Does Not apply to every soul. To state that it does apply to every soul (whether human or otherwise) comes dangerously close to dogma.

Peace
Grey


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: James S on June 25, 2006, 00:28:25
Greytraveller,

Yes I do have a belief system, as any person does, but my belief system is built up out of experiences, not theories or what I've been told to believe by others, or just what I've read in books.

I am a medium who works in a spiritual learning centre with many other mediums and channels. I'm also connected to another spiritual learning centre that has a different focus and direction to the first, which has brought in people from different backgrounds to the first. We have all experienced the same thing where it comes to the matter of souls - all of us, and a great many more people that we're all in contact with.

Having said I don't take my belief system from books, I have read a great many books by many different authors whos own experiences support what I and many other mediums and psychics around me believe about souls.

The idea that our souls come from a source of universal love  - from oneness, is no where close to being dogma. It is simple information that has been available to us since the beginnings of our race, and is still being made available to us.

This information has only ever been contradicted by religions that seek control over people by telling them that they are somehow separate from the oneness, and that the only way to reconnect to that oneness if through that particular religion. It is also these religions that brought forward the idea of evil, which is just one more human concept that has sought to limit how we see things.

I'm not about to tell you what you should be believing. That's entirely your choice.
What I would ask though is how well do your beliefs serve you? How often do you find yourself acting or reacting out of fear because of what you believe?

Beliefs are very much individual things, but we need to be aware of whether our beliefs serve us and help us to grow or not.

BLessings,
James.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Greytraveller on June 28, 2006, 05:48:57
James S
Your last post was thoughtful and well written. The point about religion is particularly well taken.

I do not intend to question your experience. I have no doubt that what you state is true - at least so far as to what you have experienced.
Understand that I also speak from experience. Even if I discounted the hundreds of reports about frightening encounters with malevolent discarnates I would still have my own experiences to rely upon.
Even if you are right in the belief that ALL souls come from one source of light and love - which I do not believe BTW - it still fails to explain why discarnates continue to take evil and malevolent actions. That is what I am trying to point out.
Perhaps, eventually, all malevolent souls will become enlightened and return to the One source. However, until that enlightenment occurs attacks by (temporary??) negative entities will continue.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: James S on July 01, 2006, 01:23:00
Hi Greytraveller,
We can finally post again on this topic!!! YAY!!! :smile:

Thanks for the kind words.

I think I see where you're coming from, and I agree that there are definitely spirit beings around that cause a lot of trouble.

From doing "soul rescues" - helping souls of deceased people that have become stuck in the earth plane for whatever reason to cross over, I know there is that inbetween stage, where a persons discarnate consciousness is neither in a physical body, or reintegrated in their "higher soul". These discarnates can suffer all the negaitve human thoughts and emotions that we do, and become very angry and destructive.

I haven't had any real experience with negative entities myself, but there are a few in my college that I've recently spoken to that have.
There certainly does to be entities out there born of all the negative thoughts and emotions that we generate. These entities also embody all the "evil" amd malicious feelings that we have.

I wonder though if it is possible for a soul to have "de-evolved" far enough that their actions, from our perspective, are seen as malicious? Souls that still have a long way to progress.  

Blessings,
James.


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Greytraveller on July 06, 2006, 05:11:03
James S
Just a thought on the idea of a soul that 'de-evolved'.
It seems that most of the thinking about spiritual growth and enlightment believes that the path to a higher soul is mostly straight and linear. In otherwords continue to do good deeds, live right, help others and learn and a person will evolve into a higher being.
That works for many, no doubt, or even most. Yet for at least some others the path to spiritual enlightenment is not so linear. Apparently some souls do de-evolve before they can progress. (I will think positively here and state that all souls will eventually progress (though I am far from certain about this.))
So the de-evolving soul could be de-evolving for any number of reasons. For many it will only be a temporary detour. They will learn their lesson(s) and not repeat the same mistakes next time.
For others, however, well perhaps some of those 'others' are now
termed negs. :question:  :idea:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Nay on July 06, 2006, 14:33:03
LOL.  You can have your negs Grey.. you just won't find them at this paticular site.  :grin:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: Greytraveller on July 07, 2006, 05:17:48
Nay
I don't Want negs.  :confused:
But sometimes while OOB I encounter them.  :evil:
Not many times but only a few times.

My point is that if this happens to me then it surely must be happening to others.
Granted this is not something to encourage or dwell upon. I certainly do not start an OBE looking for trouble.
Those who do experience hostile entities often find it hard to report the experience and to discuss it. It is even harder when people flat out deny that this sort of thing can happen. I don't believe Every report about a malevolent spirit but I do keep an open mind about it.  :idea:


Title: What is your opinion of NEGS
Post by: James S on July 08, 2006, 03:55:39
Quote from: Greytraveller

That works for many, no doubt, or even most. Yet for at least some others the path to spiritual enlightenment is not so linear. Apparently some souls do de-evolve before they can progress. (I will think positively here and state that all souls will eventually progress (though I am far from certain about this.))

Hi Greytraveller.

I agree with your thoughts here.
Just because our ultimate goal is spiritual evolution, doesn't mean we're always travelling in a straight line towards it. Souls can often get stuck in lifetimes where they just don't learn the lessons they're meant to, and effectively do a bit of a backward spiral before moving ahead again.

Blessings,
James.