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Title: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: DarkCloud on November 23, 2006, 01:19:24
Okay...I'm confused about something. The energy you feel during a kundalini experience....do you feel as if this energy is your own, just strengthed considerably by certian means or do you think its some kind of union with a deity? (As alot of people I've talked to believe).

And....How vast was this energy you felt during your experience.

Any replies would help me a bundle.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: andonitxo on November 23, 2006, 08:23:01
There's a book where you have a lot of information on this, even its relationship with astrology and archetypal energies. It's name is "Inner guide meditation" by Ed Steinbrecher.

Anyway, and according to what I've read (and I remember right now):

1.Kundalini can be forced to awaken by the help of a master, but that's not recommended.

2.The awakening can be complete or progressive, depending on the subject's energy pattern.

3.A whole mind change happens, and the subject doesn't usually know what's going on. Many of them end up being treated with pills.

4.The dragon must ascend to the top of the head. If she gets stuck in some chakra along the path the subject could suffer for an over straining of the qualities of that chakra.

5.And, once on top, she must descend down to the navel again. Other way brain cells could get overloaded.

6.It is said that kundalini ascend automatically when the four bodies get aligned: physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. So, the process implies a whole transformation of the subject before being illuminated by the dragon.

7.The process will happen many times, not only one. Once the path is opened she can move freely and can be directed with techniques like the microcosmic orbit.

8.The dragon is intended to cleanse all your being, at every level, and cures any diseases or mental aches.

9.The awakening process uses to be physically or mentally painfull, because of the fear, because of the accumulated rubbish. To clean a room the dust must be shaken.

That's all I remember by heart. Hope it will help you.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Sunn on November 23, 2006, 12:02:41
sounds scary :-D


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: MisterJingo on November 24, 2006, 14:46:57
I've had a few experiences which can only be attributed to spontaneous kundalini rising. They weren’t particularly comfortable, consisted of a very altered mental state, intense and disorientating body sensations, and my mind felt slightly 'trippy'. For a while I was convinced i'd been drugged with something. The sensations actually make me wonder if kundalini events have any correlation with a larger than normal DMT dump into the brain (i.e. the experience had feelings akin to psychedelic exposure).


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on November 26, 2006, 14:09:22
The Kundalini energy in a way it is your own, it is a gift. It is the reflection of the Divine feminin within you. And it is actually compared to a sleeping serpent coiled up 3 and half times in the triangular bone area, you know what a triangular bone at the base of the spine likes like!, like an inverted triangle.
The universal symbol of the feminin is a turned around triangle. Guess what the Kundalini also is in the christianety... the substance within the Holy Grail. What shape does the top of the Holy Grail has, exactly the shape of a inverted triangle. She is the Holy Ghost within you. You know the Father, the Son, hey hello where is the Mother, right the Mother is the Holy Ghost, but you won't read that in the bible though. Supposed to be secret, well not for the incarnation of the Holy Ghost and Her devotees it isn't. But that is a diffirent thing. Anyway Kundalini is infinite, it is the main principle of the universe. The Holy Ghost created and sustains this universum and everything in it. She is the working power of God the Father, She is His power. But it is subtle that you can't percieve...yet that is. But you can feel her when your own Kundalini reaches the sahasrara. And no it does not takes livetimes of work. It can work out spontaniously, effortlessly and free of charge. And She won't burn you body but enlighten it. At this site http://www.sahajayoga.org/experienceitnow/default.asp you can get your Kundalini awakening at  and when it reaches the sahasrara that is your self-realization, the thing is because you are not pure enough in you energetic system the Kundalini energy cannot rise fully only a couple of Kundalini energy strings come through you sahasrara and you can feel the cool breeze. You can say it is like 1% of you complete self-realization but it is a start. And if you really want to know everything about Kundalini you can visit www.adishakti.org but this site reveals maybe a little to much at once and can spoil things for you, but that is your desicion. Just give it a shot, I mean true divinity cannot hurt right!


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: leaf on November 26, 2006, 14:13:03
DarkCloud:

I know very little about kundalini but I've been reading up on chakras lately (of which I also know very little) and came across this letter which describes what you asked.
http://www.elcollie.com/st/letters.html

Letter #4
"So in short -what I am saying is that the kundalini awakening is not as is commonly believed - coiled around the muladhara chakra three times - instead it is an awakening and connection with a higher spiritual intelligence which moves through mankind and has been for thousands of years - probably the force which is evolving humankind."

I'm also wondering about the answer to the question you asked, especially after reading this thread.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=18110.msg193475#msg193475


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Hagethuriel on November 29, 2006, 06:23:50
Okay...I'm confused about something. The energy you feel during a kundalini experience....do you feel as if this energy is your own, just strengthed considerably by certian means or do you think its some kind of union with a deity? (As alot of people I've talked to believe).

And....How vast was this energy you felt during your experience.

Any replies would help me a bundle.


The energy seems external to the body amplifying the energy of the human energy body as it enters through the stones usually throuhg the male tan tien or the female crown . I feel that when the energy body is ready , kundalini rises or falls thru the body . There are many subsqequent flames .


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: DarkCloud on December 03, 2006, 16:13:49
Thank You all. This really does help me. There are so many accounts for Kundalini, it's confusing cause no one ever gives an "interdisciplined" describtion of it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but people always start talking waaaay above one's head and the person really does do a good job at making you understand what they are saying.

I believe it is your energy amplified and the kundalini is a state of being, do to all the accounts I've been hearing for months. Since it is hard to control and direct.

Again though, thank you all.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Sunn on December 15, 2006, 13:38:38
I decided to stick up some links I found as i have been looking into kundalini the last few days.


http://www.spiritualcompetency.com/blackboard/lessons/types/kundalinitype.htm (http://www.spiritualcompetency.com/blackboard/lessons/types/kundalinitype.htm)
This author describes an experience I had such as having lower back spasms while i was meditating the other night.

http://www.skaggs-island.org/humanistic/sannella/kundalini.html#INTRODUCTION (http://www.skaggs-island.org/humanistic/sannella/kundalini.html#INTRODUCTION)

This is an e-book on the subject.

http://www.swamij.com/kundalini-awakening.htm (http://www.swamij.com/kundalini-awakening.htm)

alot of the links repeat the same things but it is interesting.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Enoch on December 27, 2006, 21:05:08
No diety is helping you. In fact besides the one god there is very little use for any other false gods or idols.
Kundalini and all mysticism comes from you. There are outside energy sources we can tap into in the case of kundalini it would be food and proper exercise. Remember you are the source of anything not some false idol or diety. You and god. Peace.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: stiev on December 31, 2006, 09:33:46
Have a look at the title of this thread: to anyone who has genuinely raised kundalini.

It's interesting to read theories and hypothesies, but practical experiences might be more appropriate. I guess we all raise kundalini subtly as we progress through various lifetimes, but a quick and rapid progression is probably quite rare.

I imagine there would be very few people who have achieved this.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: solar2 on December 31, 2006, 23:01:40
I read in a book today while in barns&noable that if you do awake your kundalini you go threw a cleansing period, which can last anywhere from 25 years depending on the person.. In which case one goes threw depression and other systems.. Can anyone expound on that or know if theres any truth to it?


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Hagethuriel on January 04, 2007, 14:50:50
Have a look at the title of this thread: to anyone who has genuinely raised kundalini.

It's interesting to read theories and hypothesies, but practical experiences might be more appropriate. I guess we all raise kundalini subtly as we progress through various lifetimes, but a quick and rapid progression is probably quite rare.

I imagine there would be very few people who have achieved this.

But I have raised many flames and I have mystic alchemsist kaballahists peers who have also  . I think others that replied  have too  . What specific questions were unanswered ?


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Enoch on January 05, 2007, 23:33:08
Practical experiances with this is in my opinion is nothing to be talking about in any public place. Suffice it to say when you begin to roll your spine uncontrollably its not real fun. The after affects however are quite amazing. It is nothing that stays with you forever it comes and goes. The presence is there forever though. 


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on January 20, 2007, 15:06:22
Well not to brag but i can raise the Kundalini or it is rather my Kundalini that raises someone else his Kundalini. All the way up to sahasrara baby :-D. But there are hundreds of thousends that can do it also. Not very difficult. And you won't get all the bad side effects. The thing is that it is so easy that no one of you is going to believe it. Most of you espect a big show and sensations and all that while in reality it is really subtle which might not even be felt by some if you are not sensitive enough.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Enoch on January 20, 2007, 22:51:28
That means you have raised you kundalini. Not awakened it. The later being very rare. There is always a viable stream of kundalini to work with and "raise" but an awakening is an all together differant story.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on January 21, 2007, 11:02:02
She is also awakened in me, which enables the activation of the vibratory awareness. Which means you can feel you chakras and the chakras in others and the Kundalini energy itself and some other stuff also. and no it does not hurt or anything, like i said it is a subtle thing, Kundalini naturally does not hurt, if it does than it might not be genuine Kundalini awakening but some inbalance.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Enoch on January 21, 2007, 23:15:02
Thats not at all true. Have you ever read adout Krishna? Let me ask something if you can feel this energy how does it occur? I mean is it a feeling of riseing up from the root chakra? What occurs that lets you know?

 


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on January 22, 2007, 18:06:17
Well enoch i have read about Shri Krisna, The bagavat gita as well. What i feel is that my Kundalini rise up to sahasrara and i feel a cool energy spot on top of my sahasrara and i can feel cool Kundalini energy coming out of the top of my head and sometimes it comes out of my hands also and sometimes also within my body itself as cool energy going up. And when my Kundalini comes up i can experience a state called thoughtless awareness. in this state you can also feel your own chakras directly on you fingertips and directly in the body. but only when Kundalini comes up you can feel it in you hands. Sometimes i also see the Kundalini energy come up and i see light flashes before my closed eyelids. And one correction the abode of the Kundalini lies just above the mooladhara chakra and not in it. When She rises She splits  Herself in two twinsnakes or ropes in order to travel to every chakra en the two side channels ida and pingali, so She can detect inbalance within the chakra's and repear them and then continiu to sahasrara. My Kundalini is awakened but not yet in Her full potential like Shri Buddha and the masters, it takes cleansing and purification of the mind and becomming of the Divine self to reach the full potential or complete awakening. Your own Kundalini cleanses your chakras and subtle bodies so that more Kundalini strings can come up to sahasrara. When you are pure enough and when ego is dissolved then you spirit or the self comes into the brain so that your consciousness becomes youre spirit. This proces can take some time depending on yourself ofcourse, if you already are very pure than it is easier, but if you are a very bad person then youre Kundalini does not even want to rise. I also have to go a long way but i have the desire to become one with my spirit, the atman or self. Anyway i can if you want anwser some technical questions, so feel free to ask anything


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Enoch on January 22, 2007, 21:57:00
Very good. Im sorry to be a skeptic but you can imagine the amount of people saying they work with Kundalini when its really not.

Maybe i can help in your process a bit. The Kundalini is drawn up like a fluid in a straw when you open your chakra from Top to Bottom. Only then will the full potential be realised. To utilize all possible aspects you ajna chakra has to be very powerful it should be to a point that you feel it almost all the time not just when you are in meditation or practice.

It is just as easy to utilize Kundalini as a good or bad person.

Hope that helps some. The fact kundalini is drawn up and not "forced" up from the root makes a big differance. 

I also forgot to mention. Practice the middle pillar preferably Isreal Regardie's. This is an amazing energy builder and when you read it you will se how it will help with Kundalini. Make sure you take your time with it. It is for all intents a spell. So slow and easy. Just like with Kunda work. Just google middle pillar you will find many.

When i said thats just not true i was refering to where you said kundalini does not hurt. But you verified what you meant in the following post.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Enoch on January 25, 2007, 19:29:13
I truly believe the entire 2012 deal has much to do with kundalini. The more i know and work with it the more i learn and the more time my Gaurdian spends in conversations with me.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on January 25, 2007, 20:04:31
Thanks enoch i'll look into that. And you are right about the fluid thing, they say you have to be like the fluid of Shri Krisna so that the power of god or the Kundalini can play the melody of God through you.
There are tons of things i have not told you yet because i don't think this forum is the appropriate place to do so. I don't know about feeling the agnya all the time, with me it is more like feeling the Kundalini at sahasrara all the time and feel the light of spirit fill my being. And feel the purity flowing through you.
And it is also a little true that Kundalini awakening and the wholse cleansing process can sometimes give a little physical discomfort. Your chakras can come under strain when your Kundalini burns of inpuritys within your chakras, this can be felt as heat within the ckakras or as stings like big needles or painfull constrictions. But there are techniques to help cleanse these chakras so that these little problems goes away. But it is not your Kundalini that does the hurting but the impurity blocking the Kundalini. But these symptoms are very specific and on very precise locations on the body according to the subtle body and chakra locations. The thing is that the Kundalini also has defence mechanisms, these defences come in effect when you try to awaken the Kundalini in ways which are not pure. You cannot awaken your Kundalini because you just want some paranormal powers, the desire has to be pure or else it won't work. Of course someone with a awakened Kundalini which has reach sahasrara can awaken the Kundalini of others also. You must understand that this Kundalini is not a dumb force with wich you can do what you want. This energy has intelligence, She can think. It is a living force. I know this sounds very far fetcht, but according to my experienced it is very truth. In the gnostics the Kundalini is often called Mother Devi Kundalini, this is because the Kundalini within men is a reflection of the Devi, the Indain Goddes whom created the aum or the Three powers Shri Mahalaksmi, Shri Mahasaraswati and Shr Mahakali. These three powers are reflected in us as whell as three main energy channels the sushumna, the ida and pingali nadis. De Devi in Christian terms is the Holy Ghost.
These things are hard to believe, and can only be believed through personnal experience which verify these things.
What i also want to say is that according to my own experiences and knowledge the way people are trying to awaken the Kundalini, can be very harmfull because they are not really awakening the Kundalini but merely activation Kundalini defences mechanisms, which causes the extreme pain. Not like the purifycation symptoms. Many of these defence symptoms are regarded as awakening symptoms. The thing is that no one wants to believe that because the things they feel are so real and so sensationable and awasome as some say it. But it might not lead them to real spiritual truths or perception. I have done these so called Kundalini awakening techniques also and i also felt sensational things like pain and burning and energy burst and all that but non of it let me to my inner self, atma, the spirit. It pampered my ego a lot by telling me i was doing great, making great advancement, while my subtle system was getting damage by the violent practises i used to forcefully awaken my Kundalini, and i also got many symptoms described on many sites, as headached, intense this and deminisched that, the list goes on on the many Kundalini sites.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on January 25, 2007, 20:15:33
You are right enoch 2012 has a lot to do with Kundalini, a lot


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Doringo on January 25, 2007, 21:46:00
What specifically does it have to do with 2012? You've piqued my interest  :-D


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on January 27, 2007, 12:50:28
Well there is actually also a Adi Kundalini or also called the Adi Shakti, or prime ordial Mother, our Kundalini is simply a reflection of that. When enough peoples Kundalini is awakened you get this snowball effect and then the Kundalini energy can start flowing in this dimension with wich it get transformed. Kundalini energy actually is a seventh dimensional energy as i would call it. It is the highest spiritual energy, and when this energy start flowing over our earht it raises the dimension of the earth. There are already i think about five million whom Kundalini is awakened, most of them don't do anything with it, so they are not helping. I't say there are about 300000 poeple actually practising this yoga. These yogis also get strongen and strongen, and when most of them have reached a certain level, big spiritual changes will occur. And then you have also the windersolstice and all that but all is related to the Adi Kundalini.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: MW on February 14, 2007, 15:28:08
Is this Kundalini?

Last year when I was meditating, as I was coming out of it I could feel a cool breeze flowing over my ears.

Now when I do a chakra meditation, starting from Root to Crown I then feel a cool wave of energy flowing out of the top of my head and down my shoulders. On a couple of occasions I could feel my aura a couple of inches away from the skin


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Hagethuriel on February 15, 2007, 00:05:52
 Commonly kundalini has been described as flames coming up but many have spoken of the flames ascending and descending . Every yin has its yang .In my circle and on various forums recently , people have described cool water and air effects felt with a new form of kundalini .

Mother kundalini comes with the male element of  heat and fire . Father Kundalini comes with the female elements of water and air .

Typically the water kundalini is described as pouring down from the crown in the body and feeling as if the head has been saturated . This cooling effect continues like a sheet of energy between the skin on the back and the spine .


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: MW on February 15, 2007, 12:59:13
Is it the air form that I have been experiencing then?


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: andonitxo on February 15, 2007, 15:47:37
Commonly kundalini has been described as flames coming up but many have spoken of the flames ascending and descending . Every yin has its yang .In my circle and on various forums recently , people have described cool water and air effects felt with a new form of kundalini .

Mother kundalini comes with the male element of  heat and fire . Father Kundalini comes with the female elements of water and air .

Typically the water kundalini is described as pouring down from the crown in the body and feeling as if the head has been saturated . This cooling effect continues like a sheet of energy between the skin on the back and the spine .

As far as I know kundalini is female energy, and she has some kind of pureness in herself. I mean, according to some texts, every element has 1/2 of itself and 1/8 of the rest ( water 1/2, fire 1/8, earth 1/8, air 1/8, akasha 1/8), so it could be possible to have, herself, some kind of other energy.

Where is that information from?


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on February 20, 2007, 10:38:38
MW What you had felt could indeed have been Kundalini energy, it indeed feels as a cool breeze of waterly like energy substance. Ofcourse what you felt is only a very small portion of Kundalini energy, this energy when manifesting stronger can fill your entire body from the inside and then you feel the cool Kundalini energy flowing through your nadis and your body becomes cool, in higher states this energy can engulfe you body like a cool flame. It is true that She has the appearance of a flame, but in a spiritual sense. In a way that She burns all that is negative within and without, She cannot take any inpurity within Herself, so She burns all the inpuritys within your chakras and this proces can be felt as a little unconfortable, but not that much. The cool breeze come in different elements to, like you have cool air vibrations and cool water vibrations or energys, or subtle fire or earth. But it is the air form that one feels the most. So if people say that they have awakened their Kundalini but it feels like very hot like fire and it burns the life out of theme, then it is not Kundalini but Her defence mechanisms. The burning of the Kundalini is a subtle one which one does not feel, only when inpurities get burned within your chakras. when the Kundalini reaches the sahasrare the vibratory awareness gets activated, with wich you can feel your chakras and the chakras of other persons.
Ofcourse the potential of your own Kundalini is much bigger than a little cool breeze, what you feel is only a small part of it. but the Her compleet power is billions times bigger. She just needs to purify the person first with a little of Her power, because if She does not do it carefully She can damage or destroy youre own subtle system or chakras


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: bluejay on February 20, 2007, 22:26:39
Hi all,

I have a question about kundalini. I have begun getting these shots up my spine awhile ago. It feels euphoric when it happens. It's duration is a few seconds almost like getting goose bumps but different.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? :)

Cheers


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on February 23, 2007, 21:39:30
I don't know wether that is Kundalini, i do feel the twin snakes sometimes in my back and and some stronger central Kundalini force going up through my sushumna nadi and She stops at my heart chakra, which can indicate that my awareness or consciousness is still stuck at the heart chakra and should go higher, I still have a long way to go.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: MW on February 26, 2007, 19:32:00
Thanks for the reply astralilluminated.

When I meditate I can feel the 7 chakras open and the cool breeze from the top of my head.  :-)

I have recently been working on opening the palm chakras and yesterday I could really feel something, and then a burning sensation in my left palm for a little while. I take it this is the chakra being cleansed? No burning today in either hand and I could feel more energy. Also, since visiting an energy healer about some ankle problems (achilles tendons very tight/sore) my foot chakras have opened and seem to be active a lot of the time                                                                           


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on February 28, 2007, 11:22:05
Good MW heat on the hands indeed means chakras getting cleansed, the heat is then the inpuritys and the cool breeze is the Kundalini vibrations or energys. Your chakras are also represented on your fingertips, so if you feel heat or tingling on certain fingers, then that referes to certain chakras that are being cleansed by your Kundalini. After a while you can also start feeling cool breeze on your hands, this is a good thing. What you can do is that you try putting you attention  on top of your head and not you third eye, but on the sahasrara or crown chakra, remember energy flows where attention goes. Focusing on your agnya chakra can block that chakra, and then your Kundalini energy can't go to sahasrara. Letting Kundalini flow through sahasrara helps in your spiritual evolution.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: MW on February 28, 2007, 15:14:04
Cool, I'll carry on as I have been doing. I haven't noticed any tingling on the fingertips but now I will look out for it


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Guhan on February 28, 2007, 16:35:44
Hello everybody,

I have never experienced the rising of energy... I would like to know from any experienced person, a simple method to give me a head start to raise kundalini energy...

well, is there one like that? where you can feel 'something' during your first attempt itself (which will give me so much confidence in the path to continue with more enthusiasm)



Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: andonitxo on February 28, 2007, 16:42:01
It's a good point what you're asking for.

Let me tell you that the best technique to free yourself and start to feel "things" around and through your body is: meditation and viewpoint shifting.

If you take taoism as a practice to improve your energy currents you'll feel... orgasms! along your spine and head. It's weird to understand it until you taste it.

The air flow like sensation in your head is as if you'd have a hat of electricity/magnetism in your head. It resembles a massage in the scalp.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Guhan on March 01, 2007, 09:32:39
did u mean "orgasms" ???  :-o

thats risky!  :-)

well, can anybody suggest me a specific "beginner's" technique (or a link that points to one) for me to raise kundalini energy? which HAS WORKED for you.

Looking forward anxiously to start straightaway tonight...

Thanks in advance


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: andonitxo on March 01, 2007, 11:53:24
You are to move energy, whatever it is. It can be prana, sex energy from your penis, or from your testicles, or even from earth if you take it from your feet.

You choose.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on March 02, 2007, 09:46:28
just one note; sexual energy is absolutely not Kundalini energy. You can't awaken Kundalini through sex.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: andonitxo on March 02, 2007, 10:22:57
Before answering to that I must say I'm not an expert.

There are two main energies, split from the original one (God's): yin and yang. The giver and the receiver, the spark and the machine.

In physical terms it's said that our bodies are yin (the container) and that the spark, the energy that make them be alive, is yang (God's breath).

In some text I read that Kundalini is the fire energy that puts in motion the universe. In our bodies, the main energy comes from Muladara (the sex force), the root, and there kundalini lays.

Don't know if there's some kind of relationship. Anyway it's true that kundalini can be awaken by different means: meditation, externally by a master, yoga, suddenly (some karmic issue), and so...

The real fact is that kundalini must go upward the spine till the skull to feed sahasrara. In order to do that the path must be cleared enough so the subject will not be "hurt". That path can be cleansed with the mere movement of energy: NEW, microcosmic orbit, pranayama,...

In order to do MOrbit you can use different sorts of energy. That's where I wanted to point it out. In my own case, the use of sex energy has doubled or tripled the energy awareness in different parts of my back. Even my brain has become more clear when sahasrara is fed up with sex energy, because that's the only chakra able to transform sex force in spiritual force (ojas).

Anyway I'd like to hear from you about kundalini's nature.

[Added later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini]


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on March 03, 2007, 09:45:32
The nature of Kundalini is very different then most people here think. Most people think it is just a dumb spiritual energy that one can use in whatever way they like. This is however not true. This energy has inteligents, it sort of thinks. you cannot use Kundalini for purposes wich are not divine. Because Kundalini is absolutely pure, absolutely divine, The Kundalini does not have any anger or hatret in Herself. She cannot give you something to hurt others, or to pamper your ego, because She does not have such things in Herself. She can only give you what She has. Thinks like divine love, or compassion, or forgiveness. She does not want to impress others, nor hurt them. So true Kundalini awakening can only work out, when the desire of the person, is pure and of a divine nature. If you want your Kundalini to do things for your own selfish purposes, She won't awaken. Of course she can awaken certain feats within the chakras when She purifys them. She does have a burning appearances, but this burning is subtle and it burns all the negativities within you. What your Kundalini wants is to make you absolutely divine. So that you yourself are Gods perfect reflection. That you are raised to the level of the true Gods of creation. and another thing is that the Kundalini does not lie within the mooladhara chakra itself, but in the triangular bone at the base of the spine.  just above the mooladhara chakra. That is way Kundalini awakening has nothing to do with the sex centre because She does not cross it when being awakened. However the mooladhara chakra is the support of the Kundalini. If your mooladhara chakra is not strong or pure enough your Kundalini find it very difficult to rise. The ways to spoil your mooladhara is through sex. I mean if you are only like a sex machine or that that is your mean concern, then Kundalini won't rise easily. Jesus said that you have to be innocent like a child in order to enter into the Kingdom of God. Your Kundalini can take you there, but if you are not innocent like a child, then you can forget about it. Of course you can have a girlfriend and all that. But sex or sex energy does not play part in Kundalini awakening but it makes it more difficult. Sex energy is of a warm nature, while Kundalini energy is of a cool nature. See the difference. The mooladhara chakra is not just a sex centre, but more the center of innocense and wisdom and spontaniety. Of course there is a lot more to tell, but that will come later. But you all have to understand the Nature of Kundalini, She is the reflection within us of the Divine Mother, or the Devi


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: Guhan on March 03, 2007, 11:53:32
I agree with you completely...

coming from a Hindu background, and living in a Buddhist country, I have read so much on the subject (although I never have experienced it yet).

Controlling your sexual urge is highly recommended to achieve a "smooth" awakening... even if you do, the awakening will still take you by surprise. Swami Vivekananda says, the Kundalini energy will come down suddenly as fast as she went up through your spine, and when she does, for untrained minds, it will create an uncontrollable sexual urge. Which will be really hard to fight.

Rick NurrieStearns of personaltransformation.com writes:
"A couple of years later the sexual energy became more intense and at times started to manifest during the day. When the energy came forth I would feel sexually charged to the point of being consumed in raging lust. The energy was intensely primal, being completely beyond all thought and having no ethic or moral discrimination to it"

I read that part in the following page (I discovered the site recently and can't assure its truthfulness): http://www.personaltransformation.com/PubTransform.html (http://www.personaltransformation.com/PubTransform.html)

Thats why asceticism is recommended by yogis.

It doesn't mean that you should not marry or live a normal life. But if you are a monk your progress will be accelerated. If you live a normal life and practice with confidence... well, still you are going to be successful.

The best example I can give you of a person who lived a normal life and was transformed by the spiritual serpent energy is Gopi Krishna of India. Whats so special about him is the way he puts his experiences into writing. Just try googling his name (He has written some excellent books too)

Here's one paragraph from his autobiography that describes his awakening excellently:

"Suddenly, with a roar like that of a waterfall, I felt a stream of liquid light entering my brain through the spinal cord. Entirely unprepared for such a development, I was completely taken by surprise; but regaining my self-control, keeping my mind on the point of concentration. The illumination grew brighter and brighter, the roaring louder, I experienced a rocking sensation and then felt myself slipping out of my body, entirely enveloped in a halo of light. It is impossible to describe the experience accurately. I felt the point of consciousness that was myself growing wider surrounded by waves of light. It grew wider and wider, spreading outward while the body, normally the immediate object of its perception, appeared to have receded into the distance until I became entirely unconscious of it. I was now all consciousness without any outline, without any idea of corporeal appendage, without any feeling or sensation coming from the senses, immersed in a sea of light simultaneously conscious and aware at every point, spread out, as it were, in all directions without any barrier or material obstruction. I was no longer myself, or to be more accurate, no longer as I knew myself to be, a small point of awareness confined to a body, but instead was a vast circle of consciousness in which the body was but a point, bathed in light and in a state of exultation and happiness impossible to describe"



As for my knowledge, Gopi Krishna did the "Visualizing a lotus flower above your head that emits bright white light" kind of meditation.

Hope the information helps somebody...



Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: astraluminated on March 03, 2007, 13:20:04
Yes this gopi krisna might be the real deal. This might be Nirvikalpa samadhi. I have not really experienced that much lust. The Kundalini awakening in me is somewhat different than that like in Shri Buddha or other master, with me it happens graduall and slowly, because i am not pure enough, Like problably in Gopi krisna case, his Kundalini awakening happened in a full way, and he recieved his full self-realisation. He already purified himself before his self-realisation that is why he recieved it fully. the Kundalini yoga that i do, you first recieve your self-realisation that is than the Kundalini reaching the sahasrara. but only for like one percent or less, and then that little available Kundalini energy goes on purifying your subtle system and mind, so that you can grow in your self-realisation untill you are completely pure and innocent and recieve your full self-realisation. That is kind of the deal with me. but to completely purify yourself before your self-realisation in this modern world is simply for most people not possible. Whe all cannot live in ashrams and like not work and live on a mountain. So to first get your Kundalini awakening and get cleansed is more easier and practical in this world. In the beginning it might not be so spectacular but that is not the goal, If you are only seeking paranormal sensations and pampering of the ego, then true Kundalini awakening won't do you much good at least not in the way you want to. So be pure in your spiritual desire.


Title: Re: To everyone who has geniunely raised Kundalini
Post by: andonitxo on March 05, 2007, 08:08:49
Maybe I've not pointed out clear enough the main subject of my post, or maybe sex word only suggest ejaculation, even if you explain what ojas is.

The most powerful energy in your body is sex energy. Even if you are without any energy, or ill, you can always have a sex urge. That's nature's power to ensure life in the planet. I've had moments of complete energy flaw and a thought of sex have made my body recover itself completely.

Muladara is both divine and earthly. It's the reflection of sahasrara in the physical realm, the spark inserted in flesh. Muladara regulates not only the overall energy, it also rules sex and gonads. The door to the physical, the gate of Saturn (as cabalists say).

In what it's related to kundalini's home all books I've read about it state K is located in muladara, protected by its (muladara's) three layers. As we evolve those layers fall and new energy vibes enter the subject.

So sex is a totally powerful energy that can be used both for good (new life generation, or transformation in spiritual force) or bad (wasting). Not all wasting is bad, of course, and that depends on the person himself.