Hi everyone, I just discovered this forum and I am glad that it is very active. I will share with you some of my most exciting OBEs from my journal and of course new ones. I hope you enjoy them!
Note! This OBE is from my journal. It occurred two years ago, few weeks after I watched Narnia -Prince Caspian
It started around 3:00 am, I woke up briefly and after 15 minutes as I was falling back to sleep, I started hearing clattering noises. I thought, who could be in the kitchen at this hour? Few moments later I realized... ahhh, these are the vibes, I am about to separate. Instantly I opened my ayes and I saw that I was lying in the same position as in my physical bed, but I was in a larger room with a big window overlooking a beach area. I got up and I said OK, I am out, lets see where I am. I looked through the huge window and I saw that I was in some sort of modern city. It was around sunset. I could see the millions of lights coming from the tall buildings. I flew through the window and was up in the air observing the city and the surroundings. It was so exciting! Then, as I turned my attention towards the beach, I spotted a castle. It was a little unusual though, the castle looked in real size, but at the same time the portion of the beach I was looking at was much smaller. It was like an optical illusion sort of thing. I flew towards the castle and as I was approaching, it started shrinking. By the time I landed, there was nothing there, just piles of sand. I was trying to find an explanation of the disappearance and suddenly I heard a voice behind me. "Let me take you there". I turned around I who do you think was standing next to me? PRINCE CASPIAN.... ha ha. I fell silent for a moment staring at him. Finally I said OMG you are real, and I attempted to start laughing (honestly, I don't know why I wanted to laugh) then he gave me the look like he did not understand what was so amusing.
Anyway he grabbed my hand and we flew toward a tall building. We ended up on the top floor in a big room. He opened the window and said "Now we jump" We did, but the jump lasted only one second and we were.... guess where... In Narnia ... OMG I could not believe it. I looked at him and he said "See, it does exist!" At this point my awareness started becoming more focused and the level of my excitement flew off the charts. I knew that if I held my attention on the fact that I was out of my body, I might snap back too soon. I exhaled, relaxed and focused my attention on my companion. I was determined to ask him questions and better understand the nature of the fictional worlds realities. I said to him "Lets sit for a moment, we need to talk". And so we did.
So, as we did the jump we ended up in that same castle which I have spotted earlier on the beach. We sat down on a beautiful white wooden bench on a terrace overlooking a large yard. I looked at him and smiled, because my first question was kind of silly, but that` s what first popped into my head:
Me: Now, tell me Caspian, is that your real look....because you know the actor who plays Prince Caspian in our movie, appears to look exactly like you.... or you look like him...???
C: Oh, I appeared to you like this because otherwise you would not have recognized who I was and your experience would have been distorted. I do look different, but there is no point of changing my appearance now. It is better for your comprehension.
Me: Is Narnia a physical place?
C: It does exist in a physical reality as you call it, although your understanding of realities are highly distorted. Now we are observing the energy portion of it. I am not in my physical form either, nor are you. You may remember when you return or you may not, as I may remember or I may not.
Me: So, you are basically learning the same way we are?
C: Yes, at lest while we are physically oriented, but in our world there are many more channels opened than in yours.
Me: What do you mean?
C: Things of different nature co-exist, several races of beings live together and we are able to visit other worlds physically as well.
Me: The story about your world, is it true?
C: Not entirely, though your author was able to observe this particular reality for quite a while.
Me: Do you mean consciously?
C: Some of our highs, on purpose chose to reveal parts of our history to stay connected to other worlds. There is great energy that sometimes gets established. This can give great support if something should happen.
Me: What do you mean by " highs" and what it is that could happen. Is it something bad?
C: I don`t know if you could understand at this time?
Me: Oh, I feel a little offended, but if you do not wish to tell me that would be fine.
He smiled - C: Our highs are the wisest in your terms beings. There are conflicts in our world just like there are in yours.
Me: Do you know about our world?
C: My physical self does not know much. It is limited in many ways, but we know more than you do about other worlds. I saw your radiance when you were trying to find the castle. I have met many other beings from your world.
Me: Will I meet with you again?
C: There are no boundaries here, you know how to find your way now.
Me: But what about entering your world with my physical body and meeting wit your physical self. Is that possible?
C: I would say Yes, but there are many closed doors where you are.
Me: But the doors do exist?
C: Yes, they were opened at certain parts of your time. But it is not impossible, that's all I can say to you.
At that moment I felt a strong pulling sensation and I was snapped back. I opened my eyes and It was 4 am. I could not go back to sleep. That was maybe my most exciting OBE so far.
Welcome to Astral Pulse LightBeam,its great place you will definitely learn a lot if you stick around.
Cool post,this is what i was subconsously hoping for all the time.It brought back hope....
Thank you for sharing
Regards,Vedyl
Was exiting to read.
Even that i've partially achieved OBEs and believe in them,i don't know why,but i don't trust people telling such experiences (don't offend :roll:).
Sounds too good to be true..
Like something created in your mind with huge imaginary,instead of real OBE experience.
Svetoslav,OBE do have a fair amount of subjective experience to it.Its how you perceive things you encounter also what matters.
But yeah,could have been a FA...it always can.
Please correct me if im wrong :-D im here to learn
"Svetoslav,OBE do have a fair amount of subjective experience to it.Its how you perceive things you encounter also what matters."
I will try to correct you by my experiences :D
When OBE is happening my mind is perfectly aware that i am in it. And every time i get into it, i am in my bed not anywhere else.
My past real-physical experiences are not included in my OBE in any of its kind.
When i am in OBE i can build my own world from complete darkness (with the help of some red flying targets which i fill with non-physical matter) or start exploring the world with my non-physical body beginning from my bed(those 2 possibilities are based on how i've done my projection exit).
That's why i think LightBeam post sounds like a fake story or just remembered dream.
Svetlio, nedei taka be moito momche ha ha.
No, I am not offended at all. I understand what you mean Svetlio. But I have trained myself to the point where I can have an OBE at will. My energy is extremely strong and I can vividly remember every little detail, conversation with different spirits, beings, etc.and I write them down the next morning. Usually I don't let my mind create things. O always ask to experience stable realities where already many entities reside in. I have experienced everything, from fear created monsters to assisting lost spirits.
Whether you chose to believe it, or not, I won't get offended. For my own excitement and thrill, I know that I have experienced them and I will continue posting occasionally the most interesting APs I have has so far.
It was a good read, but I am slightly concerned.
Mediumship is the opposite of adeptship; the medium is the instrument of foreign influences; the adept actively controls himself and all inferior potencies. This sums up my views of the topic.
Why would anyone want to communicate with spirits (if that is even possible). There is no way of knowing the history of that spirit. There is no way of knowing if the information is correct. There is a possibility of attachment of a negative spirit. Why would anyone risk their life for this.
It would be the same as going up to a stranger in your physical life and asking them detailed questions about various topics that concerns your life, and you believing everything they say. No one would recommend this.
Be an adept. Try to be as conscious as you can and only do out of body travel in your house and maybe down a block or two outside, then travel immediately back to your body. That's all you have to do to stay more conscious and avoid possible dreamlike visions. These dreamlike visions can trick your mind to feel you are on an enlightened path of knowledge.
Good read!
Todd, if you are so afraid to explore the astral worlds, what are you going to do when you physically die? Stick around your house and become another trapped spirit? There is so much more out there. We should never be afraid. That's all I can say, otherwise, we will never progress.
Trapped souls have desires and addictions for physical life. I have spent years controlling my desires. I am not afraid of being trapped.
I don't even believe the astral plane even exists except in your mind. I have never experienced astral consciousness. So I have no worries about being trapped there either, since I have no desire for it. I practice meditation on light and sound to reach my higher self regularly in between my OBE practice sessions.
I definitely understand what your saying though. Just make sure your thoughts are your thoughts and not another spirit's thoughts. Robert Bruce wrote an entire book about negative spirit attachments. He even used blue ink pens to remove negative spirits that attach to your moles. That book really woke me up.
Practical Psychic Self-Defense by Robert Bruce
Quote from: todd421757 on March 17, 2012, 21:30:32
Why would anyone want to communicate with spirits (if that is even possible). There is no way of knowing the history of that spirit. There is no way of knowing if the information is correct. There is a possibility of attachment of a negative spirit. Why would anyone risk their life for this.
For the same reason they would want to communicate with you. Common curiosity and understanding. They could have shown themselves to you to teach you something. I guess you basically have to trust sometimes and confront your fears. There are bad people here on earth too. You talk to people here on earth too, do you always know their history or motives?
Todd- Robert Bruce is a great man. I ran on his youtube videos one day and he is what got me started into all of this. Well... Him and EVP work. I really need to buy one of his books.
Lightbeam- Hey! Welcome to the pulse. :-D
Quote from: todd421757 on March 17, 2012, 22:41:17
I don't even believe the astral plane even exists except in your mind. I have never experienced astral consciousness.
Just out of curiosity, if you don't believe that the astral world exist and by extend anything beyond the physical dimension exists, then why are you practicing OBE techniques? Do you think that your thoughts are generated by your brain, or by a consciousness that it is not of physical matter?
I am sorry, if I am asking too many questions, but I am new here and I don't know the members that well yet. I am just trying to help, because I do have a good number of conscious OBE experiences and most of them felt even clearer and more vibrant, than the physical reality itself. My energy field simply does not allow negative entities, because positive energy free of fear is always stronger than a negative one.
Lightbeam-I had an OBE once and I went upstairs where my grandma was. I hadn't seen her all day. I saw she was feeding the dogs, and I noted she was wearing grey shirt, black sweats. I went back in my body, and then went upstairs... She was wearing exactly that. Just thought I would share that with you. :D
PS She also had two dog bowls in her hands when I got back into my body and went upstairs to check for myself. That was an amazing validation.
Don't you love OBEs like that Army? That means you were observing the physical world, or at least the closest level.
I had a validation like that, when I OBEed and visited my house in my country. When I was there I saw that the bed covers were bright red, and I thought oh, it's because I am observing an alternate reality or my mind is making the covers red. However, few days later, when I talked to my mom on skype, the first thing I noticed on the background were the two corner beds all in red LOL. I almost couldn't believe it!
Yeah! That's good stuff right there. :-D I think perhaps maybe what we were seeing was a copy of the physical world in real time. It can get crazy though because things can appear upside down etc. Or change on you completely... But it is in fact some sort of copy in real time I think. 8-)
If the universe indeed is infinite as many of us think, and the laws of various physical "simulations" like the one we are experiencing are flexible, it seems a necessary conclusion to me that all works of fiction that do not contain an internal contradiction (contradictions are never possible in any world) must therefore exist as their own independent worlds. Since a system of infinite space and matter, and unlimited rules must contain
every possible place or narritive.
Some people say our lives are pretty much set on a fixed path- perhaps this is because we set them beforehand with a goal of learning certain things or having certain unique experiences.
If all of what I said above turns out to be true, it might be great fun after I die to live a few lives as a movie character experiencing a set plot (but which I would experience as having my own free will, and making all the choices on my own). Heck... maybe that is similar to what we are all doing now, even! :lol:
QuoteTodd- Robert Bruce is a great man. I ran on his youtube videos one day and he is what got me started into all of this. Well... Him and EVP work. I really need to buy one of his books.
Armyofone:
Robert Bruce made Astraldynamics available as a free Ebook about a year back, if you were interested in that one! But if you want to support him, there is always amazon !
QuoteSvetlio, nedei taka be moito momche ha ha.
No, I am not offended at all. I understand what you mean Svetlio. But I have trained myself to the point where I can have an OBE at will. My energy is extremely strong and I can vividly remember every little detail, conversation with different spirits, beings, etc.and I write them down the next morning. Usually I don't let my mind create things. O always ask to experience stable realities where already many entities reside in. I have experienced everything, from fear created monsters to assisting lost spirits.
Whether you chose to believe it, or not, I won't get offended. For my own excitement and thrill, I know that I have experienced them and I will continue posting occasionally the most interesting APs I have has so far.
Ve4e znaesh imeto mi a ti kak se kazva6 ?
LightBeam i don't know how you progress on your OBE experiences,but i absolutelly agree with Todd saying this:
QuoteBe an adept. Try to be as conscious as you can and only do out of body travel in your house and maybe down a block or two outside, then travel immediately back to your body. That's all you have to do to stay more conscious and avoid possible dreamlike visions. These dreamlike visions can trick your mind to feel you are on an enlightened path of knowledge.
I guess you know the stairway - low conscious-lucid dream-OBE. Of course it is possible low conscious-OBE directly as it happens to me!
Robert Peterson perfectly describes your situation. If you 'go too far' into your OBE it is possible that you go back on the stairway to lucid dreaming.
He describes that lucid dreaming has its own states. The one i think you got into is called Fantasy state.
That's why you should start your OBEs from the bed and first exploring your room and going further and further,piece by piece to farer destinations.
Otherwise you are not practicing/experiencing OBEs..
I hope you'll take our advices and achieve much better experiences :)
Best wishes !
You can read the fantasy state/trap in here - http://www.robertpeterson.org/chap20.html
Stiga be i v tozi forum li ni ima :D
Nice experience Lightbeam,it was very interesting to read.
@ Svetlio - Priatno mi e da se zapoznaem, maria!
@Warlexx -The power of the Bulgarians... he he
@ StillWater - Very wise words indeed, very wise. That's exactly how I view the multidimensional universe. This magnificent infinity has no boundaries and limitations.
I think it's just the other way around Svetlio. The far you get from the RTZ and your immediate surroundings, you experience a higher vibratory rate, encounters and worlds of different nature, you get to communicate with guides and higher beings, etc, the list is endless. I don't agree that the farther you go you drift into a lucidity and thus you think that what you experience is more like an illusion and fantasy type. My OBE did not turn into a dream that I am certain of, because that whole time I was on high alert and trying to keep my focus, so I don't snap back into my body. I did't wake up the next morning, returned in my body right after the OBE and I remained paralyzed for few more minutes, still experiencing vibrations, but I was too excited to attempt to go back.
Lets talk about fantasy lands for a moment! Think about it, we here in this reality are very limited, being covered in physical matter vehicles. However, our spirits aren't and through certain doorways such as sixth sense, imagination, etc, our consciousness is able to get a glimpse of other worlds which we can't physically perceive. But most people tend to think that where our imagination leads us is all illusion, made up worlds and stories. Well guess what, everything that was ever created even our physical universe and the starts, was once a thought. A thought from a great power, which many call it the Creator. As parts of the Creator, we too possess the same ability, maybe not is such a magnitude, but in a smaller scale, yes. There are endless numbers of spirits that live in infinite number of realities, some physical, some non physical. Could it be that our world here is an illusion and the others real? If we compare the life span of our galaxy, physical lives and bodies, to the immortality of our spirits and the infinity of the non physical universe, which one could be perceived as a temporary and illusionary, sort of a set up scenario to be experienced briefly? Think about it!
I have experienced my surroundings and the RTS hundreds of times and I have not learned much from it. The further I went, the more enlightened I became. The richness of the high frequency worlds can't really be described and the expansion of my knowledge can't be comprehended by someone who has never had these experiences. I would suggest that you shake off your fears and do some real travels. Some destinations you may create to enjoy whatever you like, but they are not an illusion. Why some people tend to think that the non physical energy is NOT REAL? There are much different laws there that we do not fully understand.
I have created my own personal world which I call "The Rainy Light" and when I go there, it is my sanctuary. I can touch things, smell the air, feel the grass under my feet. Why it wouldn't be real?
Now about Robert Bruce and his experiences with negs, all I can say is that had many subconscious fears and he manifested most of them in the astral, perceiving them as a negative entities. Now, I do believe that there are many spirits with bad intensions that may want to scare you, or interact with you, but again, strength and positive energy doesn't allow the opposite to exist in the same vicinity. That's why I don't like sticking around the RTZ and physical reality, because most trapped spirits reside there. The higher and farther you go, the more advanced, spirits and worlds you encounter.
I do like to read literature and input from established authors, but I always follow my own instincts and logic. In my hundreds of OBEs, so far I have experienced only few scary moments, but they were created by me.
Quote from: LightBeam on March 18, 2012, 01:28:04
Just out of curiosity, if you don't believe that the astral world exist and by extend anything beyond the physical dimension exists, then why are you practicing OBE techniques? Do you think that your thoughts are generated by your brain, or by a consciousness that it is not of physical matter?
LightBeam,
The problem is thought usually leads to daydreaming which leads to illusions. Everyone has a chattering internal mind. No way around it. The more you prolong an OBE, the more you will have discrepancies in the OBE environment (RTZ). My best and most real OBE's have always been the ones that I stayed in my house!
The astral plane is a creation of the personal mind (personal ego).
The mental plane on the other hand is the afterlife where the spiritual ego resonates on (our higher self).
I had around 150 etheric projections. I have never met a trapped spirit. Sylvan Muldoon who only had etheric projections never did either. The etheric plane is too dense for a trapped spirit. A trapped spirit doesn't have an etheric body anymore. That disintegrates days after death. They are trapped in the astral plane of their mind (personal ego).
The mental plane can be experienced while living on earth by abstract thought on your higher self as much as you can. This way you can skip the astral plane upon death. The astral plane is all those different sceneries you read about in NDE's immediately after going through the light. Vibrating to the mental plane immediately allows you to skip those intermediary astral scenes.
Thought processes can originate from either the personal ego or the spiritual ego depending on whether you have physical desires or spiritual desires, respectively.
The above is my viewpoints based upon personal experience. LightBeam you are free to respond. I think open debates like this allows us to share multiple viewpoints. No one truly knows what lies ahead. That's what makes life exciting :)
Quote from: todd421757 on March 17, 2012, 21:30:32
It was a good read, but I am slightly concerned.
Mediumship is the opposite of adeptship; the medium is the instrument of foreign influences; the adept actively controls himself and all inferior potencies. This sums up my views of the topic.
A good summation but I do not understand where you see "mediumship" here?
When a projector goes within and converses with another being within... *that* is NOT mediumship.
That is personal, first person experience in the Inner Realm.
Quote from: Rudolph on March 18, 2012, 19:29:40
A good summation but I do not understand where you see "mediumship" here?
I agree with you. I should never of wrote mediumship.
Hi there lightbeam
Could you please tell me more about "the rainy light" its got me very intrigued,
Sorry if I asked something to personal
Regards
Quote from: LightBeam on March 17, 2012, 16:59:48
Hi everyone, I just discovered this forum and I am glad that it is very active. I will share with you some of my most exciting OBEs from my journal and of course new ones. I hope you enjoy them!
Note! This OBE is from my journal. It occurred two years ago, few weeks after I watched Narnia -Prince Caspian
It started around 3:00 am, I woke up briefly and after 15 minutes as I was falling back to sleep, I started hearing clattering noises. I thought, who could be in the kitchen at this hour? Few moments later I realized... ahhh, these are the vibes, I am about to separate. Instantly I opened my ayes and I saw that I was lying in the same position as in my physical bed, but I was in a larger room with a big window overlooking a beach area. I got up and I said OK, I am out, lets see where I am. I looked through the huge window and I saw that I was in some sort of modern city. It was around sunset. I could see the millions of lights coming from the tall buildings. I flew through the window and was up in the air observing the city and the surroundings. It was so exciting! Then, as I turned my attention towards the beach, I spotted a castle. It was a little unusual though, the castle looked in real size, but at the same time the portion of the beach I was looking at was much smaller. It was like an optical illusion sort of thing. I flew towards the castle and as I was approaching, it started shrinking. By the time I landed, there was nothing there, just piles of sand. I was trying to find an explanation of the disappearance and suddenly I heard a voice behind me. "Let me take you there". I turned around I who do you think was standing next to me? PRINCE CASPIAN.... ha ha. I fell silent for a moment staring at him. Finally I said OMG you are real, and I attempted to start laughing (honestly, I don't know why I wanted to laugh) then he gave me the look like he did not understand what was so amusing.
Anyway he grabbed my hand and we flew toward a tall building. We ended up on the top floor in a big room. He opened the window and said "Now we jump" We did, but the jump lasted only one second and we were.... guess where... In Narnia ... OMG I could not believe it. I looked at him and he said "See, it does exist!" At this point my awareness started becoming more focused and the level of my excitement flew off the charts. I knew that if I held my attention on the fact that I was out of my body, I might snap back too soon. I exhaled, relaxed and focused my attention on my companion. I was determined to ask him questions and better understand the nature of the fictional worlds realities. I said to him "Lets sit for a moment, we need to talk". And so we did.
So, as we did the jump we ended up in that same castle which I have spotted earlier on the beach. We sat down on a beautiful white wooden bench on a terrace overlooking a large yard. I looked at him and smiled, because my first question was kind of silly, but that` s what first popped into my head:
Me: Now, tell me Caspian, is that your real look....because you know the actor who plays Prince Caspian in our movie, appears to look exactly like you.... or you look like him...???
C: Oh, I appeared to you like this because otherwise you would not have recognized who I was and your experience would have been distorted. I do look different, but there is no point of changing my appearance now. It is better for your comprehension.
Me: Is Narnia a physical place?
C: It does exist in a physical reality as you call it, although your understanding of realities are highly distorted. Now we are observing the energy portion of it. I am not in my physical form either, nor are you. You may remember when you return or you may not, as I may remember or I may not.
Me: So, you are basically learning the same way we are?
C: Yes, at lest while we are physically oriented, but in our world there are many more channels opened than in yours.
Me: What do you mean?
C: Things of different nature co-exist, several races of beings live together and we are able to visit other worlds physically as well.
Me: The story about your world, is it true?
C: Not entirely, though your author was able to observe this particular reality for quite a while.
Me: Do you mean consciously?
C: Some of our highs, on purpose chose to reveal parts of our history to stay connected to other worlds. There is great energy that sometimes gets established. This can give great support if something should happen.
Me: What do you mean by " highs" and what it is that could happen. Is it something bad?
C: I don`t know if you could understand at this time?
Me: Oh, I feel a little offended, but if you do not wish to tell me that would be fine.
He smiled - C: Our highs are the wisest in your terms beings. There are conflicts in our world just like there are in yours.
Me: Do you know about our world?
C: My physical self does not know much. It is limited in many ways, but we know more than you do about other worlds. I saw your radiance when you were trying to find the castle. I have met many other beings from your world.
Me: Will I meet with you again?
C: There are no boundaries here, you know how to find your way now.
Me: But what about entering your world with my physical body and meeting wit your physical self. Is that possible?
C: I would say Yes, but there are many closed doors where you are.
Me: But the doors do exist?
C: Yes, they were opened at certain parts of your time. But it is not impossible, that's all I can say to you.
At that moment I felt a strong pulling sensation and I was snapped back. I opened my eyes and It was 4 am. I could not go back to sleep. That was maybe my most exciting OBE so far.
I know this thread is old as dirt but I agree with the idea of the fictional worlds existing. and this conversations is completely similar to the ones I had with Shadow The Hedgehog. And yeah, not everything I learn from the characters are exactly how the franchise is.
Me: "Does Mobius exist?"
Shadow: "Yes."
Me: "From the franchise, there are humans that live in your world, is that true?"
Shadow: "Mhm."
Me: "Is your world like Earth?"
Shadow: "Hmmm....yeah very similar, just the people here are more open to others ideas and beliefs, unlike alot of humans on your world. We have mutated vegetation, monsters, robots etc. Most of the humans from your world act like Overlanders (http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Overlander (http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Overlander)). Many are stupid, close-minded, and very violent. And they ABSOLUTELY hate any humans who date Mobians (http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Mobian), they despise it.
That's why I want you to stay away from people like that when you come to our world. ...Many already know of our relationship and I don't want you getting hurt. Just keep away from large Overlander cities."
Me: "Do Eggman's robots inhabit your world as well?"
Shadow: "Yeah, so many have been made over the years they kinda began to spread throughout the globe and many have created their own systems and mini civilizations. But there are those who are still too dangerous to be around since they still have the mind of Eggman's data chips."
So what exactly are we saying here? That Scientology got this fact correct, that everything a human has imagined up in a movie or book or video game series has actually happened somewhere in a parallel universe? Or are we saying that because the Universe is infinite, every possibility (and thus everything we have ever thought up or could think up) has happened and is happening somewhere?
Quote from: Aaron330 on April 08, 2014, 11:11:17
So what exactly are we saying here? That Scientology got this fact correct, that everything a human has imagined up in a movie or book or video game series has actually happened somewhere in a parallel universe? Or are we saying that because the Universe is infinite, every possibility (and thus everything we have ever thought up or could think up) has happened and is happening somewhere?
I believe that the universe is infinite, and that humans of this world are the youngest species to exist on this planet. Some stuff we create and others existed before the birth or planet Earth and our generation.
And I believe anything is possible.
Quote from: Aaron330 on April 08, 2014, 11:11:17
So what exactly are we saying here? That Scientology got this fact correct, that everything a human has imagined up in a movie or book or video game series has actually happened somewhere in a parallel universe? Or are we saying that because the Universe is infinite, every possibility (and thus everything we have ever thought up or could think up) has happened and is happening somewhere?
I think that in many cases, the authors are able to perceive consciously or subconsciously other realities already established.
Quote from: Aaron330 on April 08, 2014, 11:11:17
So what exactly are we saying here? That Scientology got this fact correct, that everything a human has imagined up in a movie or book or video game series has actually happened somewhere in a parallel universe? Or are we saying that because the Universe is infinite, every possibility (and thus everything we have ever thought up or could think up) has happened and is happening somewhere?
Both actually!
Bashar has great info on this on youtube, search:
Bashar everything is real
and or Bashar parallel realities / time
Fictional worlds...
Thoughts are non-physical. They have no tangible, physical-ness to them. They exist entirely non-physically.
Anytime anyone "comes up with" an idea like this, of an entire world... it's actually created, however temporarily (or permanently depending upon the strength of the Intent and focus), and becomes part of the non-physical. All thoughts and ideas begin in the non-physical, and it's up to the physically-bound consciousness to bring that idea into the physical via a medium (writing, video, etc).
So, it's not that the fictional world existed before the thought... it's that the thought creates the fictional world.
From there, depending upon how strong that Intent was which created the world, you should be able to "visit" it.
It's not an objective visit... it'll be partly influenced by your own expectations and desires of what that particular world "should be".
Everyone has these expectations and desires (however, consciously or unconsciously known to them)... for example, the Harry Potter world I would visit will be unique to my expectations and desires compared to your own.
Thoughts begin as non-physical... we manifest them physically through our decisions and choices here. Not the other way around.
That's why things like Dragons and Elves exist non-physically, but not physically as real beings.
I remember Robert Bruce talking about using your imagination to get in touch with the non-physical. He also recommend energy work. I know for me there has been times where my feelings have effected thoughts. We know molecules can give certain feeling, eg serotonin can give a calming feeling, Oxytocin is the love hormone. We look at psychedelics and see how a physical substance with one or more molecules, can make a spiritual experience. My only thought is that somewhere the lines are blurred between what is actually physical and what is non-physical. There must me some kind of middle ground here when talking about the physical versus the non-physical. I don't think is entirely correct to separate the two. Since then there would be no interaction between the spirit, and the body. There must be some parts that have a little bit of the physical and a little bit non-physical like a medium between the two. Figuring out that is a mystery as of right now, just like a lot of spiritual questions. I don't mean to confuse the conversation here between what is physical, and non-physical, but rather give my input on how I see it, and perhaps spark some imagining. :wink: In the mean time let's stick to what the avid astral projectors are telling us on what works.
Peace.
Quote from: Xanth on April 11, 2014, 08:22:55
... but not physically as real beings.
Most "real" beings exist non-physically. Only a few "become" physical as they choose to do so.
What is a sentient ("ensouled") non-physical being or just a thought form of your own creation ("on the loose" in the Astral/NPR) is difficult to tell, at least for me. But as even thoughts and dreams are also 'real' manifestations on NPR-Astral-level then one can conclude that these thought forms also are 'real' to some degree.
Only attaching the label "real" to physical beings seems to me the reversal of what actually the nature of reality is. It is also almost materialistic and reductionist thinking. Let's leave that to the Randi people. :wink:
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 11, 2014, 18:53:11
I remember Robert Bruce talking about using your imagination to get in touch with the non-physical.
Your imagination *IS* non-physical. :)
QuoteIn the mean time let's stick to what the avid astral projectors are telling us on what works.
Actually, this is your entire problem. Ignore what other avid astral projectors are telling you... including myself.
YOU tell YOURSELF what works. Nobody can tell you what will work for you.
This is an individual process.
Quote from: Volgerle on April 12, 2014, 04:35:44
Most "real" beings exist non-physically. Only a few "become" physical as they choose to do so.
You know what I mean. :)
You won't find any elves or dragons in this physical reality.
Wow LightBeam, what a great first post. In a tilted sort of way your experience validates some of my own which I won't go into right now except to say that stories are told not out of things that have never or could never happen but because they did. So when a writer picks up a pen and begins a story they will 'tell' the story according to their own interpretation or understanding but the story (characters and places) already exist. That old saying, what goes around comes around comes to mind. We know existence is a circle. I do feel that there are indeed moments in any era in which changes to the story can be made. But they are few and far between and often over-looked and so in short the future can be predicted by the past.
That might not be a full explanation but it is the best I can do from my current position.
I envy your recall and your long practice and efforts.
Awe, thanks for brining my first post back LOL. I guess I went straight to posting experiences. I don't like intros and I don't like goodbyes. I felt that I already knew everyone as old friends and I didn't need to introduce myself haha.
But yes, this was my best experience at the time. I also went to the Harry Potter world a few times. I even posted here an instance where I had an OBE with a particular scene with Harry and Hermione. Then a month after that I watched the next movie on the theaters. I never saw it before my OBE nor I read the book. when the movie got to the scene from my OBE I jumped out of my chair. I said, noooo wayyyy, I had an OBE about this particular scene a month ago with the smallest details. It was a pretty amazing.
Quote from: Nameless on October 20, 2021, 22:55:16
Wow LightBeam, what a great first post. In a tilted sort of way your experience validates some of my own which I won't go into right now except to say that stories are told not out of things that have never or could never happen but because they did. So when a writer picks up a pen and begins a story they will 'tell' the story according to their own interpretation or understanding but the story (characters and places) already exist. That old saying, what goes around comes around comes to mind. We know existence is a circle. I do feel that there are indeed moments in any era in which changes to the story can be made. But they are few and far between and often over-looked and so in short the future can be predicted by the past.
That might not be a full explanation but it is the best I can do from my current position.
I envy your recall and your long practice and efforts.
Really cool initial post LightBeam! You were obviously very conscious to be able to relay all of that detailed information back to PR. (Miles and miles beyond what I relay back from my foggy dream experiences lol.)
As for the rest of the conversation of NPR and PR it comes down to a chicken/egg scenario. What happened first, the thought of the reality or did the reality exist before the thought. I think this concept would be impossible to understand with our limited faculties because time is a limited dimension in this reality. If infinity exists, than these realities would exist before an individual thought them up, but yet they are made of thought essence as we all are in this structured reality. You see it is unimaginable in my opinion because Time is the limiting factor here. We all think in terms of linear time and duality which distorts pure truth.
But this is just my thoughts on the subject. I'm a straight up noob and just read some books on various subjects regarding these philosophies. I enjoy this topic!!
PerspectiveShift, you are absolutely right. Time is not linear in the multiverse. We only perceive it as such here, due to the nature of our reality. As you mentioned there are many things we will not be able to understand while here, but that's ok. I think we know enough to be able to have a general idea of how the multiverse works and our place in it.
As far as recollection goes, most of my OBEs/APs are even more clear that events in the physical. I have noticed though that my recollection is most clear when I enter the non-physical from vibrational state. for some reason the stronger the vibes are, the more "awake" I become and the longer and more clear the experience is. When I enter though realization during a dream or without vibes, the experiences are shorted and less clear. That is just me though. I always practice a visualization. motion technique as I fall asleep at night and that technique usually triggers vibes and they "awake" you sometime during the night.
Quote from: PerspectiveShift on October 21, 2021, 14:18:39
As for the rest of the conversation of NPR and PR it comes down to a chicken/egg scenario. What happened first, the thought of the reality or did the reality exist before the thought. I think this concept would be impossible to understand with our limited faculties because time is a limited dimension in this reality. If infinity exists, than these realities would exist before an individual thought them up, but yet they are made of thought essence as we all are in this structured reality. You see it is unimaginable in my opinion because Time is the limiting factor here. We all think in terms of linear time and duality which distorts pure truth.
I personally think it is helpful to simplify this by taking things in the opposite direction. With this notion of infinity and eternity we are simply adding to the number of possible dimensions and potentially over-complicating things. By saying infinite and eternal we aren't removing the sense of time and space. Eternity means forever
in time. Infinity means forever
in space. We haven't removed space and time. We've just made them unending in this scenario.
You might say true reality is dimensionless. This eradicates time and space. And it's not so much that every possibility exists happening right now but rather that it lies unmanifest potentially waiting to arise in awareness. Not every possible eventuality has to be simultaneously playing out for true reality to be
One.
One interesting consideration of our nature is by asking 'can there be an end to reality?' An ending to such a thing would require awareness of it having ended. And if there is awareness then it hasn't ended. Similarly, 'did reality have a beginning?' Well there would have to be awareness before it began to say it began but if there was awareness then it wasn't the beginning. So not 'eternal' or 'infinite' but
everpresent.
So I, awareness/true reality (or whatever you like to call it) is everpresent. Without birth or death or existing in space or time. Dimensionless being.
I think your question about what came first depends upon your definition of 'reality'. This current human experience is largely thought based but pare that back and you still have
awareness so in this regard 'thought' comes after. And after all a thought does not exist without awareness of it so it could never come first.
These are my thoughts building on classic non-dual teachings of the Vedantic and Tantric traditions.
Quote from: floriferous on October 21, 2021, 17:32:29
I personally think it is helpful to simplify this by taking things in the opposite direction. With this notion of infinity and eternity we are simply adding to the number of possible dimensions and potentially over-complicating things. By saying infinite and eternal we aren't removing the sense of time and space. Eternity means forever in time. Infinity means forever in space. We haven't removed space and time. We've just made them unending in this scenario.
You might say true reality is dimensionless. This eradicates time and space. And it's not so much that every possibility exists happening right now but rather that it lies unmanifest potentially waiting to arise in awareness. Not every possible eventuality has to be simultaneously playing out for true reality to be One.
One interesting consideration of our nature is by asking 'can there be an end to reality?' An ending to such a thing would require awareness of it having ended. And if there is awareness then it hasn't ended. Similarly, 'did reality have a beginning?' Well there would have to be awareness before it began to say it began but if there was awareness then it wasn't the beginning. So not 'eternal' or 'infinite' but everpresent.
So I, awareness/true reality (or whatever you like to call it) is everpresent. Without birth or death or existing in space or time. Dimensionless being.
I think your question about what came first depends upon your definition of 'reality'. This current human experience is largely thought based but pare that back and you still have awareness so in this regard 'thought' comes after. And after all a thought does not exist without awareness of it so it could never come first.
These are my thoughts building on classic non-dual teachings of the Vedantic and Tantric traditions.
Yes 100%. Logic and Thoughts and Intuition are faculties that we know and can master in this reality frame which allow us to partially comprehend "reality". Time and Space also. But there are probably other perspectives different than Thought, Logic, and Intuition etc that can be experienced. It's all we know so that's all we think that exists. The fundamental baseline of who we are is awareness for all we can comprehend with the additional invisible faculties added on such as Rational thought, Emotion, and then you get the more physical: sight, touch etc in the perception of form.
Our language is limited in talking about these "out there" subjects. At some point it just has to be experienced. That's also the blessing of experiencing physical-ness. We are experiencing unique faculties like rational thought, spewing emotions, subtle intuition, feeling planted in the body like we are our body... it's actually really cool when you look at it from this perspective with all the different aspects to this reality frame.
Like literally the way we think is just one perspective. The way we perceive is so limited but very unique still. And then we learn the ability to consciously AP and get smacked with a whole other set of faculties. It's no wonder we can't remember some of our experiences/dreams. Super cool!!
I think im sounding a little nuts now. You got me going!! Haha! :wink:
I also almost forgot to mention.... One book that really opened my mind as well to new pathways of thought was the Spirits Book by Allen Kardec. I always go into everything with a sense of open minded skepticism, but I was amazed at how interesting this perspective is as well.