Alright so I'm not sure if this is posted in the right section, I apologize if it's not.
So I want to hear from you guys, your thoughts and opinions on star seeds and ETs.
Do you guys believe in star seeds ? If so do you think there are different types of star seeds that come for different purposes ? If anyone has a website about star seeds that they believe to be legit please post a link. I've read a couple different sites about star seeds, most of them have different information on them and portray them differently.
I'm very sure ETs exist as the universe is quiet vast, and does expand everyday but do you guys think they're out to help or out to deceive ? I read about the Galactic Federation and how there are supposedly other races that live in the universe but most of them are here to help and aid Earth in this time of transition, but there are some races that are here to deceive and mislead us. I've also heard that their are the races but within the races there are still the ones that want to create more negativity. I never really resonated with that. What are your guys' thoughts on that ?
My thoughts, I do kind of believe in star seeds but at the same time I feel like the info I've seen is just BS to misguide us from the actual truth and maybe even keep us at a lower vibration.
love is energy and hate is energy
it is the same energy, all things are the same energy they are just at a different frequency
because the universe is vast so are the different frequency ranges of different races, normally if they are negative its because that's the frequency they are used to processing not because they are good or evil, they just have not evolved in the same energy band as us
some beings only have 1 primary energy center for example, they would seem perverse or angry even when they are trying to be nice, they just cant process the higher vibes
:NoY:
There's definitely no doubt of other civilizations throughout the Universe, of this you can be absolutely sure. There's no need to wait for any of them to help or to deceive, or to do anything for that matter. I feel the more appropriate question would be: Are We out to help or to deceive?
As far as "star seeds" are concerned, well I don't find much relevance in the term. There are no beings greater than any other. It doesn't matter what, if any, star we came from. We are all here to experience life so that we can learn from that experience. We should all be helping, supporting, and guiding each other selflessly - within this world and beyond. This is not limited to "spiritually advanced" beings.
I never thought of it that way kailaurius. But if a soul came from another planet wouldn't they be more prone to being awakened and gaining knowledge faster due to the fact they've already been "enlightened" (giving that the planet they come from is living in peace and harmony) and have just took on the role to incarnate on Earth and help raise the vibrations and awaken humanity quicker. Wouldn't that technically make them a little bit of a greater being, for now at least ?
I've only recently been awakened, for about 2 years after I moved to EP, TX (one of the safest cities in the world yet engulfed in ignorance and negativity due to the border and drug cartels) and over those 2 years I've gained much knowledge and abilities (very clear telepathy with two of my friends who actually awakened me, but I believe they come from another star system as well) that people say takes awhile to develop. There must be a reason why I've gained all this in such a short period of time.
Thanks for the responses, I enjoy seeing others thoughts :-D
For me personally, it's a work in progress now. I have received some clear hints that I am ET / starseed. I always felt alien here anyway and recent projections, a "vision" in the astral, and plenty of dreams hint to an ET origin and also to a kind of 'mission' here. Still, I try to uphold healthy skepticism as to this. As said, the research and data gathering is ongoing now. One must keep in mind that many things experienced can also be symbolical / metaphorical for other things (e.g. for non-pyhsical life in general, which is in a way always 'extraterrestial', too). I'm still on the fence, but I am inclined to let the starseed hypothesis gain acceptance for me, also since it explains a lot of things more neatly. :|
Volgerle, your comment made me feel good like im not the only one.
I too feel like a starseed/et on a mission, I do believe I've had a dream that was a sign kind of to stray me but at the same time strengthen my belief. and a physical sign.
I remember one night I was driving home with my friend and I began thinking if I really am a star seed or if Im just going through a stage of progression/learning and then all of a sudden I see on the skyline in the city lights 3 BRIGHT white lights (clearly you could distinguish them from the dark orange-ish city lights) in the shape of a triangle. a building covers them up and all of a sudden the white lights are gone, it felt as if they were trying to show me and I do have a strong belief that I am a starseed but then theres always that voice in my head thats scared to really believe that. I yet have anything to be seen in AP/OBEs but i hope soon I can receive signs threw AP/OBE. Keep in touch, I'd feel much more comfortable talking and sharing my experiences with someone that believes they are a star seed as well. :-D
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_missiononestar.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_missiononestar.htm)
This person seemed to think she was a "star seed".
I got this link from another forum member at the now closed Pavlina forum http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/ http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/book1.php I downloaded the p.d.f book , it was interesting . desert rat
Very interesting indeed. And very true, the moral and message anyway, I'm sure there's a lot of distorted info in their tho.
Keep watching the forums, I will be posting our history so more of us can awaken. Once the truth is heard, that's when people begin to awaken and realize somethings not right.
Quote from: desert-rat on May 23, 2012, 13:09:31
I got this link from another forum member at the now closed Pavlina forum http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/ http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/book1.php I downloaded the p.d.f book , it was interesting . desert rat
I've come across this before and now read the first pages and to me it seems a lot of fear mongery, even if the authors (which are humans, after all, pretending to communicate via 'channelling') state more then once that it is not so. But that's the trick: 'don't be worried, the world's gonna end, but don't be afraid, have a nice cup of tea and a cake in the meantime...'.
On a first look (as said, just read the first pages) it is interesting that there is also a strong contradiction between their 'channeling' and other statements that were derived from deep regressive hypnosis. So here is from the first pages of this book:
Quote"You live in a part of the galaxy that is quite inhabited. Not all parts of the galaxy are so inhabited. There are great unexplored regions. There are many hidden races. Trade and commerce between worlds are only carried on in certain areas. The environment that you will emerge into is a very competitive one."
Source: http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/allies-of-humanity-book1.pdf
Here's what I found, in contrast, in one of the books of past life regression. This person speaks what he knows from his higher ("ET") self. I quoted from this interesting book already in another thread, it is almost on the same pages as the last quote. Note the difference to the quote above:
Quote"Your world evolution is such that it was necessary for this planet to be isolated for the lessons to be learned. Many people are born in this world who live a life of loneliness and of alone characters in order to learn these lessons.
And it is simply the same on a planetary level for each civilization has its own lessons to learn. Your lessons as a civilization are to learn the lessons of the loner and then to step into the real world, so to say, and to use these lessons of being a loner. The Earth is in the backwash of the universe, not in the mainstream at all. This is no coincidence, this is intentional. It is intentional that this race is in this backwash, not that this is a backwash.
We mean no offense. We would ask that you not see this in a derogatory manner. We simply meant to say that there is not much happening around here. This race was placed here in isolation for its own progression. You see because we, I speak "we" now because I am with you. We, the human race here, is a neighbor or a race which is growing. It is not the only race. It is a race, whose destiny is to evolve on this isolated planet in order to become a universal neighbor, which is eminent."
- D. Cannon / Keepers Of the Garden
Source: http://books.google.de/books?id=aFXWNpviJSsC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=%22The+Earth+is+in+the+backwash+of%22&source=bl&ots=RPuc4DDyDi&sig=CXakv_tbbyohEWAqVQFy9nPcamk&hl=de&sa=X&ei=lii9T_DjFImWswaewbXXDQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Earth%20is%20in%20the%20backwash%20of%22&f=false
That's almost a direct contradiction. Mainstream or backwash. Furthermore I remember from the same book that the galactic environment is not "competitive" at all but rather very cooperative, as most races are spiritually advanced and have left such 'competitive' struggles (for life?) behind them. There is 'trade' but is more of an exchange of goods and/or knowledge rather than of making any profit.
So what and who is right? Yeah, of course we cannot tell for sure. Maybe both are wrong. :lol:
Anyway, intution is telling me that there is a little more 'truth' in the latter. I've also read other books on alien past life regression and the accounts are similar. Aliens (even those doing abductions) are more benign or at least neutral. First it's hard to grasp, but it even makes sense somehow.
It seems illogical and almost outrageous to me to apply anthropomorphism without second thoughts here. ET civilisations are not humans. You cannot expect them to behave like us. It's not the automatic assumption that they come here to exploit, invade, destroy us, in a way this is often argued for by making comparisons to
human history (e.g. the Europeans in the Americas). Yeah, and Hollywood movies thrive from it, too. :roll:
Of course, we cannot tell for sure what's going on 'behind the scenes'. Anyway, as regards 'starseeds' I recommend to read D. Cannon's past life regression book "The three waves" where she has literal protocols of many regressed "ETs". It's a mindbender. And it's
very surprising for many feeling 'victimised' by "evil ETs".
Quote from: Stillwater on May 21, 2012, 17:19:40
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_missiononestar.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_missiononestar.htm)
This person seemed to think she was a "star seed".
I've skimmed through it a little and it seems also to deal with all of that "shift / ascension to 5D" myth and the ET civilistations as mainly (but not solely) spiritual entities trying to help us and to save us from ourselves.
E.g. here is a webpage on the 5-D-myth. D. Cannon is also referred to very often as some of her regressed clients report similar things (don't know if 5d is mentioned literally in her books though). Here's some quotes about vibrational raise:
http://www.in5d.com/cannon-5d-earth.html
Still, although I believe in ETs to be more benign, I remain skeptical of the whole 'shift' business. Maybe it is a cultural 'meme' created and then manifesting in society (esp. among new agers) by repetition? Just like the Maya-2012 BS? And that's why so many report it this way even in regressions and channellings? Probably 'mis-hearing' what is genuinely said (if sth is said and the entity talking is real)?
But then, this could be said of many other things (e.g. greys, abductions) too. It is confusing and I admit that it is hard for me to make up my mind. Still, one thing is sure: I do not fall for the "alien = evil invader myth" anymore. It's stupid. It's backward. Ok, It's "human" after all. Anyway, I leave this to the moviegoers.
Btw, the 5-D myth may have already been started in the 70ies by Hurtak's "Keys Of Enoch". It is an interesting book but difficult to read even for English readers - and I'm not even a native speaker. I only started it and the put it aside a year or so ago. I remember it was talked about a change of dimension into 5D too, with some elaborate holy geometry given to explain the 'technical process'.
But alas, who really knows ... maybe the new agers are all getting duped and there are neither shifts nor aliens but it's rather the god old :evil: deceiving us with everything. Same ol' story. :roll:
Last thing: I noted after browsing the net for starseeds that there is a whole 'scene' out there, wow. E.g. here: http://www.starseeds.net/
I especially like this female starseed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zse-Lq2NbQ
I think I wanna marry her and we'll (star)seed some more of 'em :wink: :
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSs90Urd6pc5qPRBcV1Lc5EG_MYD2gwD7WdPn_Ojzd1KFRGzUvjug)
I was just passing along the link , my mind is still open . Or to para phrase Carl Sagan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan , show me the proof . desert rat
I've gotten contradictions on the abundance of life in the galaxy too. I'm leaning toward the 'life is very abundant' concept based on the abundance of life in our solar system alone. There are lots of settlements all over the place here.
From what I gather, there really is a quarantine placed on Earth by criminals who take hostile action against outsiders who try to land here. It's similar to the quarantine on Iraq - the cults that invaded Iraq didn't want anyone to get in and discover all the crimes they're committing. When a news reporter goes to Iraq and is killed, their death is blamed on the Iraqis. When an outside craft comes near Earth and is fired at, it's blamed on humans.
As for cooperation: In any ecosystem, you'll have cooperative groups and competitive groups. The galactic ecosystem is not extremely different from Earth's. You've got lots of wars and lots of friends.
There is more than one issue hear . It is a big cosmos . It is said there are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on all the beaches and deserts on the earth , and we may be part of a mutli verse . There must be other life through the universe , it may be so different from our selvs we dont see it as life . The big questions are , would they be interested in us , our world , to help or exploit us ? I thought the idea of a star seed was some one that incarnated as human from a much more advanced civilation . desert rat
there is no 'they'. You're talking about every life form in the universe outside of Earth
QuoteI thought the idea of a star seed was some one that incarnated as human from a much more advanced civilation
Thats what I thought to, but my thoughts on that have quickly change.
I dont think starseeds exist. No scriptures support the idea of beings comming to earth in human form to help humanity evolve into super humans. What most scriptures do say though Is that some guy will come to bring all humanity together and unite in peace but that's all. The star seeds and light workers and others alike are being told lies on who the host is and making them feel they are a part of a huge plan and they must "wake" others and get them to channel there own "guide".
The scriptures also warns of lieing spirits and I belive this is them trying to suduce us with there fancy words of peace. "you will become like gods =D" same thing.
We are to dumbed down and are to open minded to anything that comes to us and this is why the ancients has giving us a guide like a map to warn us and help us till this guy comes to unite us all.
Nothing wrong with role playing, just don't take it to serious =p
why should we believe in any scriptures instead? there are other obvious reasons (one main actually) why we are 'warned' constantly of other spirits, gods, sons of god, etc. (or whatever comes our way) and only to believe in their (the scripture writers.) sole truth/god etc ... it's obvious... smells more 'fishy' to me as some of the new age alien channellings if you ask me, but maybe both are :|
btw, scriptures are a matter of interpretation, there are more levels of interpretation ranging form the sheer fundamental / literal / exoteric to the orthodox to the the highly mystic or esoteric, and then you get a different picture from each one
(just so you know I'm open minded and all. I'm also being very careful what I take as fact and false.)
I just don't buy it... If my mum doesn't believe I'm a Jedi Mage who can change time and space, then why should I believe someone is a light worker or a star seed? What makes my Jedi'ness so diffrnt to the new age beliefs?
Jokes aside (though I am really a Jedi Mage...)
What we need is evidence, but all we have is claims and theroys. We have tons of books that are full of ideas and spiritual concepts that will make people so convinced that they take it as facts.
Where is this galatic fedaration of light?
There's just so many questions that no scripture in the world talks about.
We get propaganda on aliens like ancient aliens and shows to stimulate our minds to a possability of aliens and stuff... There's an intresting verse in Islam and it says:
"His right eye will be punctured, and his left eye would be raised to his forehead and will be sparkling like a star. Only the believers will be able to read the word 'Kufr' [disbelief], inscribed in bold letters, on his forehead. There will be big mountains of smoke at both front and backsides of his caravan. People will anticipate food within those mountains, during the severe famine.All rivers, falling in his way, will become dry and he will call upon people in aloud voice, "O my friends come to me! I am your lord who has made your limbs and given you sustenance."
And what is the new age belief? They say that aliens made them even the ancient aliens show are saying that. We get theses new agers telling us some group of Anunnaki race came and created us as slaves >_>
Anyway that verse I quoted and my interpretation of it, is telling us that some space alien will come and claim to be the creator. It's all propaganda to make it easyer for this guy to trap the gulliable new agers.
On star seeds and scriptures , books like the Bible are more of a moral code that keeps our civulation togher . The idea of a star seed was a little beyond the understanding of the men who wrote it . A person like Jesus might be thought of as a star seed , whoes words were changed to fit the political ideas of the writters of the Bible . As to wether a person is a star seed , or is on a specal mission , theycan do a self hypnosis , ask there higher self/guides/masters , ect . On the t.v. show bablaon 5 one race was at war with the earth . When they captured this guy , regressed him to a past life , found out he was one of there own people , they stoped the war and made pice . desert rat
QuoteI dont think starseeds exist. No scriptures support the idea of beings comming to earth in human form to help humanity evolve into super humans. What most scriptures do say though Is that some guy will come to bring all humanity together and unite in peace but that's all. The star seeds and light workers and others alike are being told lies on who the host is and making them feel they are a part of a huge plan and they must "wake" others and get them to channel there own "guide".
Yaa, thats how I feel now. They just want you to believe your part of a bigger plan to hopefully stray you off path enough to make you end up thinking something that shouldn't be thought of really, on your part. Just to have one less, smart intelligent person in the world to make a difference for the better. They're here to keep things the same, an endless cycle of life/death so of course they want us to believe that some of us our better then others, when in fact, WE have that twisted. If they mean some of us are "better" then others because we're old souls that have been here doing this already and are getting tired of this life/death cycle hoping we complete OUR mission and tend to learn and be enlightened faster because of that, then people have their idea of 'better' distorted big time.
QuoteA person like Jesus might be thought of as a star seed , whoes words were changed to fit the political ideas of the writters of the Bible
I believe Jesus was more of an 'energy worker' sent by The LORD Creator to spread the new age ideas through-out his time and put 'Revelations' into motion. Along with all his disciples that he taught, including Mary Magdalene.
Quote from: WiZe on May 26, 2012, 11:31:02
Yaa, thats how I feel now.
Such a fast u-turn. What will be your opinon tomorrow, then? :wink:
Btw, the Paleo-Seti theorists see in the bible (and other scriptures) lots of 'evidence' of aliens (including the DNA planting theory).
e.g. Angels are re-interpreted to have been aliens; or e.g. UFOs such as Ezekiel's wheel, etc.
Just watch Ancient Aliens on YT or read Sitchen's / Däniken's works and you knwo what I'm talking about.
:-D
Quote from: Volgerle on May 26, 2012, 13:10:57
Btw, the Paleo-Seti theorists see in the bible (and other scriptures) lots of 'evidence' of aliens (including the DNA planting theory).
e.g. Angels are re-interpreted to have been aliens; or e.g. UFOs such as Ezekiel's wheel, etc.
Just watch Ancient Aliens on YT or read Sitchen's / Däniken's works and you knwo what I'm talking about.
:-D
I know what your talking about and I've seen them all and belived in them at one point (last year) but the scriptures are telling us to keep the commandments that was giving and not to follow worldy people. The bible and Quran has setted up laws on what we can and can't do and how to worship the creator. while all the others (Hindu,buddhist,taoist ect) are to help improve our health and spirituality.
What theses "aliens" are doing is teaching truth with falsehood as a Christain cult would. they are advanced in knowledge and they use that to take advantage on us. And using the scriptures to support ufo's and aliens doesn't mean it's true. People created storys of there fav gods and chariots as there way of comming from the sky, because they think God is a person >_> and to take someone to heaven you would need to use God's chariot. Only people who went to heaven with no ship was Jesus and mohammad (though he was on a horse but I think he astral projected there)
Mind you, for all we know theses people who went up on a chariot could very well of been an astral exspirance.
QuoteSuch a fast u-turn. What will be your opinon tomorrow, then? wink
Yaa, ikno right. But I have many reasons why.
The main reason is because my friends dad is a Free Mason(hes around 40) and he talks to me and him about things sometimes, my friend has asked him if he ever believed or heard of starseeds and he told him about my beliefs of me being from another planet just here to help and how i use to think my time was coming to an end around the summer soltice (which is why I believe my ideas change quickly because they're leading me to far off path and if I don't find the truth I might end up having a major set back in my life). But his Dad just said that thats funny because he use to think the exact same thing once in his time. Which leads me to believe (as i kind of already suspected) that believing in starseeds is just a phase in awakening or something.
People who have more significant impact on the world, or help to rise the energy level and awareness don't necessarily have to be reincarnated from another planet. If extra terrestrials want to help, they can easily disguise themselves temporary into human forms and interact when needed and where needed. Write books, invent things, tech other humans who layer contribute, or telepathically suggest information to us.
However, those who feel like they are far advanced in knowledge, wisdom, and naturally help the world's progress are usually more developed spirits, learned through many reincarnations. We all are in different stages of development and here in the physical reality with each life we choose which quality to be expressed, and learn what we lack through interactions with others who possess it.
There are also some exceptionally wise and enlightened individuals, who could have been born for the sole purpose to teach. They may be advanced spirits already out of the reincarnation cycle, but voluntarily enter this reality to assist.
I think it was the term " star child " from Brad Stiger's books that I heard first in the mid 80s . Brad Steiger's def. was of a soul incarnating hear on earth from some where else . The basic idea was that most people on earth had been incarnating hear for many thounds of years , but a few hear now were hear for the first time . These are specal , gifted childern . Most of these sites say about the same thing . http://www.drboylan.com/starkididqstnr.html http://www.crystalinks.com/starseeds.html http://www.paoweb.com/starseed.htm http://www.fromthestars.com/page142.html desert rat
What about people who think they are Jesus incarnate or some other god incarnate? What about people who think they are the choosen one and think they are here to save the world from something? What about those people who think they are real vampires? All theses things are from Reading books and watching movies which triggers something in your brain. and you become obsessed with it that you become it...
If your a martal artist and your a big fan of Bruce lee, you will start to fight like him, eat like him, train like him. You become him and if your crazy enough, you will think your Bruce lee incarnate...
There's nothing wrong in being inspired and want to create your own world around it.
Yeah, there are many "memes", myths, channelings, "stories" and "sources" out there, and as many 'warnings' probably too. Many give aliens a bad rap. Some say all ETs are "criminals". Well, I don't know. Seems a strange logic to me. So far the only real proof of a 'criminal collective' is not of an ET one but of the one we all know. Just take a look at the daily news and the state this world is in: Humanity is the real criminal. If we need to be saved then we from ourselves. If we are 'contained' in the backwash of the universe then it is more than justified, if you ask me.
Also it seems to me that there is a confusion here of two beliefs / theories: The starseed ETs are not here to 'play God' or messiah or whatever, but rather to discover humanity's lost connection to the God in itself (in each human person so to speak) or to "Source", which can be achieved again by (beware: new-agey speak!) raising the vibration of the individual and the human collective.
Remember, discovering "God in Yourself" is not different from what ancient and current mystics talk about all the time. Actually it is talked about in all mystic teachings of Eastern and Western religions, too. It is supposedly what Jesus really meant by saying that you are not to seek the 'kingdom of God' outside of you but "inside" of your"self".
The God-playing or messiah myth is another conspiracy theme: It is said that there are invadors (even "reptoids?") that 'play god' to humans. This is what conspiracy theorists and some Paleo-Seti theorists say. Regardless of what you think of it, this is not what the shift / starseed / lightworker thing is about. It should not be confused. It is NOT a messiah-saviour related teaching or anything similar to this. It is only about helping find God in yourSELF.
Therefore, speaking of the "Self", personally, I would advise to first and foremost trust in your / communicate with your Higher Self. And then it does not even matter if the HS was incarnated on god-knows-how-many planets or realities before. We are ALL spirits making experiences in different realities anyway!
It is e.g. a good 'technique' to ask one's HS before sleep to be given an answer in dreams as to e.g. "why am I here" or "what is my purpose here" or similar, such as I have done. Some amazing results may appear. It is a personal quest first and formost. Some "ET issue" then came up for me, but it might also have been a metaphorical thing. In the end it does not matter too much. It is more important to lead a spiritual life here and to give an example (and maybe thereby raise vibration, your own and that of others). It is not a matter of playing god to others, just of becoming aware of the god inside of you.
As said, one should not jump to conclusions, that is why I keep an open mind, keep working hypotheses and give them weight (e.g. by assigning percentual probabilities). The weighting is of course also done by certain parameters you choose for yourself, they also might be due to a belief system. For me it is, however, also a simple reasoning:
The reason, why I give deep sleep and or deep (delta wave!) regressive hypnosis more weight than any other 'source of info' is that you are then in contact with your HS / God in Your"self" instead of your incarnated ego. The people regressed in deep hypnosis are in contact with their HS. Their info on ETs is pretty consistent and it is not the fear-based scenario or negative ET given by e.g. the alien reptile invasion conspiracy theorists. It is a different and much more positive picture. And it shows that we are - indeed! - all one, all in the same boat, this is not just humanity, this is humanity and any ET civilisation together. We're all spirits (higher selves) on a playground after all.
That is the reason of my advice above. Trust in your Higher Self. The info you then get is a different picture. I do not discount any other sources per se, but for this reason I tried to put focus on my intuition, dreams, interaction / communication with my 'total self' first and foremost - and maybe also to try out a (regression) hypnosis. For me it's the most trustworthy source simply for the reason: if I cannot even trust my own "(higher) self" whom can I trust then?
One can always discard this as another "belief", of course, if one wants to, but then this discarding could also be based on either fear or any other belief system, which is for me less reliable (such as any "holy" scriptures who've been made up or misused throughout mankind for indoctrination and mass manipulation, or any fear-based hollywood-movie-compatible (reptilian) alien invader conspiracies, or oppression of humanity by any illuminati-alien-led world government, etc...).
I say: Trust your Higher Self! And your guides who are part of your larger Self or Soul Group. No one else!
On Jesus , one guy thinks this was a code word for a mush room used by a cult that ate them for elightment , to get high , ect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-bURgoxPY http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_84723&src_vid=IN-bURgoxPY&feature=iv&v=mOu9tV6uy2E (part is in Dutch ) desert rat
I'm with echart tolle on the higherselve concept. It's just the silent self, the natural state. It doesn't talk but you can sence it's presents. I don't know how theses new agers are telling us we have a higherselve who can talk to us face to face and all... The scriptures tell us that once we destroy our egos, we are in total oneness with everything. The Buddha said that there is no Self but Truth, so how can there be a higherselve if it doesn't exsist? The Self is Mara or Satan if you like, they offer false worldy pleasures.
We don't see echart tolle talking to some being that only he can see or hear do we? I like to belive he has reached that high state of consciousness and is showing us how we can free ourselves too.
I just think our goal is to burn down the tree of knowledge of good and evil (tree of Dualism) and take the tree of life (Esoteric wisdom). The only battle we have is the snake who is on the tree of knowledge who makes promises a fairy's paradise.
"Self entices with pleasures. Self promises a fairy's paradise.
Self is the veil of Maya, the enchanter.
But the pleasures of self are unreal,
its paradisian labyrinth is the road to misery,
and its fading beauty kindles the flames of desires
that never can be satisfied." ~ Buddha
If the starseeds and lightworkers wana be free, all they need to do is stamp on that snake and move to the tree of life.
"When the fire of lust is gone out, then Nirvana is gained;
when the fires of hatred and delusion are gone out, then Nirvana is gained;
when the troubles of mind, arising from blind credulity,
and all other evils have ceased, then Nirvana is gained!" ~ Buddha
once you are truly awakened you will know that you are nothing but emptyness. Names are just names and you are one with Tao. You become his slave and he will guide you on the stright path.
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"Self entices with pleasures. Self promises a fairy's paradise.
Self is the veil of Maya, the enchanter.
But the pleasures of self are unreal,
its paradisian labyrinth is the road to misery,
and its fading beauty kindles the flames of desires
that never can be satisfied." ~ Buddha
There is a big difference between the Self and the Higher Self. And I am sure Mr. Buddha will agree with me :-D
The Self is what it identifies us in this life and this physical reality. Who we are as individuals here and now. It represents a very limiting portion of our spirit. It limits is to perceive only certain aspects of ourselves, one life at a time. And that is ok, it was designed to be that way for learning purposes. I think such a system is a brilliant way for spirits' development.
However, when we reach certain level of expansion and knowledge, with each life we become more and more aware that there is more behind the thick curtain of this physical world. We start to feel the connection to a greater power, develop the ability to peak inside the higher realms. We shed the beliefs of evil and understand that this concept is just a tool for the battles of the lower realms.
The Higher Self is the sum of all selves that we've had through many numbers of lives in many different realities, planets, as many types of individuals, etc. It is within the pure Source at all time and it contains information related to our development as individual spirits. It is our pure spirit as one with God.
Why should we connect with our Higher Self? Because it a source of the ultimate knowledge as a part of All That Is, but also it provides specific guidance for our lower selves, which in realities like ours are strictly individual.
Don't blindly trust scriptures from religion, spiritual leaders, or even experienced OBEers like the authors we talk about on this forum. Some information might be filtered through the individuals' ego, beliefs, fears, etc. And while there are agreements for certain things through many individuals' experiences and gathered data, there are others that are strictly individual.
Be your own explorer of the truth!
I see my higher self as a point of white light in deep space . I will focus on that point and ask a question, or ask my higher self to do something . desert rat
QuoteThere is a big difference between the Self and the Higher Self. And I am sure Mr. Buddha will agree with me
Yes, sorry I didn't make my self clear =p i was trying to say that the ego self is trying to make people into something there not.
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It is our pure spirit as one with God.
Why should we connect with our Higher Self? Because it a source of the ultimate knowledge as a part of All That Is, but also it provides specific guidance for our lower selves, which in realities like ours are strictly individual.
I find this intresting and I have tryed so hard to "connect to higherselve" it's just one of them things that doesn't work for me and I was convinced that I had a higherselve once. And if we are to connect to this thing, then why is it so hard to attain it?
I studied the Upanishads and some of the stuff inspired me but when I put it into pratice I get no results.
I gotta share some verses cause it's pretty motivational I must say =D
"the Self cannot be known through study of the scriptures, nor intellect, nor through hearing discourses about it,
The Self can be attained only by those whom the Self chooses. Verily unto them does the Self reveal himself."
~ Upanishad
"Bright but hidden, the Self dwells in the heart. Everything that moves,breathes,opens, and close lives in the Self. He is the source of love and may be known through love but not though throught. He Is the goal of life. Attain this goal!"
"Meditation enables them to go deeper and deeper into consciousness from the world to words to world of thoughts, then beyond thought to wisdom in Self"
I find the meditation quite hard as I have lower back pains when I don't have support for it. But I do use pillow sometimes to make it comfy.
But we can still see that it's not talking about a spirit guide who is your higherselve. It's more of a switch that activates from within and you become Buddha like.
QuoteDon't blindly trust scriptures from religion, spiritual leaders, or even experienced OBEers like the authors we talk about on this forum. Some information might be filtered through the individuals' ego, beliefs, fears, etc. And while there are agreements for certain things through many individuals' experiences and gathered data, there are others that are strictly individual.
I'm more of a universualist where I take what is useful and adapt from there. I mean like I would love to get back into the spiritual stuff but I'm just saying that theses "alien" guides don't exsist in any scriptures. Only lieing spirits with false hopes. I understand that they used angels to give out messages and to help out here and there. but with the new age stuff it seems theses "angels" are out of character of any scriptures and teaching things that people want to hear.
Personally I just wana know and not read and follow the instructions hopeing I'm on the right path. If you have an easy way for me to prove to myself that your way is the right way then please give me something to pratice on that will activate the higherselve.
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I see my higher self as a point of white light in deep space . I will focus on that point and ask a question, or ask my higher self to do something . desert rat
how would you know that's your guide and not a trickster?
On my higher self as a trickster , I guess its a matter of trust . I guess nothing is ever 100 % . I will ask my higher self to help me . Lets say I ask my higher self to help me to reslove my fear of going out of body , or other fears , beliefs , ect . I dont know why a trickster would be interested in doing that . Not ever method works for ever one. A lot deponds on personal beliefs systems . On star children , I think some are incarnated from a past human life where they were also smart , gifted people .desert rat
QuoteThere is a big difference between the Self and the Higher Self. And I am sure Mr. Buddha will agree with me
Actually, in the Theravadin texts, which are the earlier ones that most scholars hold were cloest to the original message, Siddhartha seems to think of the idea of a soul as an illusion; for him, nothing even unites who we are now with who we were 10 days ago, it is just an illusion of self and common perspective- all that we are is lost eventually, and lost for good. We have karma from common perspective, but there is no glue ultimately uniting a self. Our goal in Buddhism is to annihilate any illusion of self to free the ego from reincarnations as a being. That is early Buddhism at least!
It's about time I chime in on this discussion. Yesterday at a Renaissance Faire that I am a yearly merchant at I was talking with my neighbor about this very same topic. He basically looked at me and said what would it take you to be a believer? What would it take you to see that possibly we were a a race that started as monkeys/neanderthal man and then somewhere along the line, we were helped, our DNA was altered, we were taught how to use tools? We were taught basic science, technology for that period and kind of upgraded from what we were. If you were going to relay this story down the line wouldn't it start like this, IN THE BEGINNING, just as a certain book that people all over the world have read and hold as the truth. Volgerie brought up the show Ancient Aliens. If you watch the entire show Season 1 and 2 you will see that they do have the proof. The Bible states that civilization is 6,000 years old, yet they have found underground cities in areas like Mesopotamia that are more than 300, 000 years old. These cities would house thousands of people as well. They have found cities under the oceans that could be even older. The thing I like about Ancient Aliens is that they give you their evidence and opinions, but let you decide what is true or not. Unlike books that have been shoved down our throats for years that have circumstances which are being proven false even today.
Some issues that came up and my comments:
About Higher Self:I hoped it would be clear that with Higher Self I meant the "God in You", which is not the Ego (incarnated self), which I regard as a "role played" here or a kind of "avatar" in a multi-personal reality simulation. It is a role we discard after leaving this place, but remember nonetheless for learning purposes. In the Seth and Monroe books and also elsewhere it is said that each 'role' (personality) has its own afterlife and grows there too. This might be true as I think that the HS is not just a multi-dimensional, but also a multi-
personal being. The 'persons' might be human, but need not be, they can be or have been anything. But they are only parts or aspects of the HS.
The Higher Self is NOT 'alien'. The Higher Self is NOT 'human'. The Higher Self IS.
About Tricksters:It might be indeed more difficult with guides as there are imposters possible. But as the Bible says: judge a tree by its fruit. If the advice / guidance was helpful in the end, it might be okay. It is easier with the HS. It is about trusting one's intuition on this. And (to repeat myself) I assume any communication in delta-wave or at least deeper theta wave state to be of this 'more reliable' kind. It is when you are far away from your "ego" and with your "HS". I might be wrong after all, but I believe and hope I'm not. :wink:
The accusation of 'tricksters' as everybody that seems benign and helpful to me reminds me of three things: 1. fear-based dogma 2. human nature (distrustfulness) and 3. probably a religious fundamentalist view that claims everything to be a seduction by the devil that does not fit his dogma. E.g. try to have a talk with devout literalists / creationists about AP, you know what I mean, ... :roll: :-)
About Ancient Aliens series (and I loved it, yeah! :wink:):Quote from: Lionheart on May 29, 2012, 05:18:02The thing I like about Ancient Aliens is that they give you their evidence and opinions, but let you decide what is true or not. Unlike books that have been shoved down our throats for years that have circumstances which are being proven false even today.
Yes, although I need to add that I found the proponents of the AAA-hypothesis a bit too focussed and even close-minded with regard to their statement "it had to be aliens!". I am always ready to go the first step which is to ackknowledge that human history is
far longer and more diverse than orthodox science does admit (including Atlantis, Lemuria and all). The proof is out there (also from regression memories!) and some alternative researchers even deplore that much is hidden from us or 'explained away' by orthodoxy deliberately to fit it into their ('evolutionary') paradigm.
However, this ackknowledgement is "step 1" for me, which I am willing to go. The AAA guys make two steps at once by claiming 'it's aliens' immediately as they hardly ever consider any other hypothesis. Higher civilisation could also have arisen just from humans, hypothetically. They also are too materialistic in a way and do seldom take into account that ETs / UFOs (now and in ancient times) is a multi-dimensional (even 'spiritual') phenomenon. Mostly they give the impression that ETs always only come here in flying tin cans.
I do agree with you Volgerie that the AA community gets a little too onesided that it has to be Aliens everytime they are trying to prove their points. I feel that year 1 of Ancient Aliens was excellent, but now the episodes seem to be stretching for new material. They are now trying to make everything related to the subject.
QuoteI do agree with you Volgerie that the AA community gets a little too onesided that it has to be Aliens everytime they are trying to prove their points. I feel that year 1 of Ancient Aliens was excellent, but now the episodes seem to be stretching for new material. They are now trying to make everything related to the subject.
But yeah, that was a good show, lol, and I don't even have a tv.
(http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens.jpg)
He is the new Einstein wanna be, lol. No, but seriously he shows quite a bit of passion when speaking on this topic. I like to see that from a scientist. :-)
QuoteI do agree with you Volgerie that the AA community gets a little too onesided that it has to be Aliens everytime they are trying to prove their points. I feel that year 1 of Ancient Aliens was excellent, but now the episodes seem to be stretching for new material. They are now trying to make everything related to the subject.
Agreed. I use to watch that show all the time, but now it's just ehh. Can't even stand to watch it really.
QuoteHe is the new Einstein wanna be, lol.
(http://i.qkme.me/6wqg.jpg)
Lauging so hard right now, lol....
Ok, I'll stop now :-D
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Keep and open mind, nothing is impossible. If you can imagine it, it exists!
Hey there, I know this topic is a little bit old but I just grabbed it and read through. Volgerie you got interesting insights and I'm not so different so.
I searched up for Dolores Cannon on youtube and found this video. It is mindblowing. Even if other's are still thinking inside a box, you will get a good day at leasts or make sense to your life, so please watch it.
Just watch closely what did you do in your current life, what personality do you have, what causes you blocks etc. If you had feelings deep inside you that you feel from "where" did you come from and what could be your purpose now here, it is for a reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ja3bvhryg
This was an excellent topic to pull forward Phil. After reading the entire thread and watching that Delores Cannon video I now have some answers that truly resonate within. My thanks to all the contributors of this thread. :-)
OMG, over 4 years already :-o
time flies on the Pulse :wink:
It does!
I have nothing of value to add to this discussion but my quirks can't allow the inaction to continue. I just got tired of seeing, "Last post by Stillwater-Re:Starseeds and ET's. Now it won't show that. Now I can sleep...truly.
Thread Killer - you may have quirks, but you're fairly patient. Stillwater's post had been there for well over a year!
I shall look forward to your next post in another year when you get fed up of mine being the latest.
:-D
Selski !!!
It is so good to see you.
I am glad yours did remain the last post so I could see you. We were at EIC together for a long spell.
I had to post here due to your comment. Yours was the last post for near two years now. That's incredible. It is a good topic.
When I use the term "starseed" I am specifically referring to a Soul who has fulfilled and graduated its own 3D curriculum predominantly from another star system and planetary body. Sometimes I also use it to denote a graduate who, from this graduated state is projecting it's consciousness back through time to our now coordinates to assist 1) raise the potentiality of the reality system and 2) immanent 3D graduates in opening out into the next spectrum of their experience. Both of which are wholly, thoroughly entwined.
I am a Starseed ...another term for which, as the Buddhist's gave - is Bodhisattva.
Casey
Wow, a n o t h e r year has gone by, almost to the day with no posts here . . .
Just sayin'.
Okay, I will kick the can a bit farther down the road...
There are more than a few of us on this site who are likely of at least, recent ET origination. I am unclear on my own past and not fully aware of the diversity of ET presences here on Earth: I do have the sense of many types and for many reasons.
My own story includes a first abduction when I was 5; I became aware either Physically or Non-Physically and realized a chest-nut shaped ufo was floating outside my window; then I was forcibly floated out of my bedroom window where I lost consciousness. ( the visual of this ufo defied my interpretation and belief for 25+ years until I saw the description by the JAL Airline pilots with their November 1986 sighting over Alaska ). As I was returned, I fought and fell to the floor several feet from my bed. The skeptic in me said maybe just a bad dream, but the deeper part of me simply knew the truth. I went screaming to my parents but they were disbelieving and of no help. So I compartmentalized the experience, along with the concurrent NP and OBE experiences that were happening to me. When I asked, no one could even begin to offer an explanation; so I quickly just kept them to myself.
My resultant fascination with UFO books and abductions led to the books of the '70's and '80's which all spoke of abduction as a negative experience, so given no other options, I bought into that concept. But I didn't have any conscious UFO experiences during that time or wasn't aware of any, so the idea receded for me. That was until 1995, when I had a huge, in your face kind of UFO encounter; a giant blue sphere. Ten years later, I finally had to accept the fact that during that encounter, I had lost time and likely been taken...again absolutely no memory.
From about 2000 onward, I started to read books that introduced the idea that maybe not all abductions were necessarily evil or negative events. Maybe some were and maybe some were not. Lumaza introduced me to the Dolores Cannon books and a new and previously unconsidered idea: maybe the ET's were acting as a support team for specific Earthbound souls coming in to incarnations for certain purposes, like mission specialists. Somewhere, within one or more of these books, an idea was introduced that some abductions were for repair work or updates, physical or energetic. I realized that several of my OBE or energetic experiences may well have involved repair/update work that had been done to me. They put sensors in and monitors and regulators and sometimes they have to replace or update the equipment. This was an intriguing idea.
The support team idea made perfect sense; maybe I was part of an away-team or a single scout of sorts. I had always felt alone and isolated, I just did not fit in with this social system, like I was just here to observe or offer support to the people around me; I sat outside and stared at the stars wanting to go home, somehow. I had always figured that was just a part of the normal human condition, and I still think that to some degree. But maybe there is something more to it. The ET question also still nagged at me. And the OBE thing, Monroe, TMI; all of which had preoccupied much of the thinking during my fifty years. From the '90's on, I noticed from time to time, some nights I would get "updates" during the middle of the night; like energetic downloads. Given some consideration, I wouldn't be surprised that many people have noticed this. Maybe, maybe not.
I guess the event that sealed the deal for me was this: Around 2014, I had an outpatient surgery. I had a mole removed from a bothersome place on my face; it had been there since I was about 10; not good for getting dates. Back in the '70's the doctors had said it was too difficult to remove. By 2014, they said no problem; so I had it removed. That night I was taken and disappeared for 3 hours. At 11pm I walked into my kitchen and when I walked back into my living room it was 2am. I spun around saying "What the hell just happened?" Did they replace something I had removed? I can only wonder. Now I have a tiny mole on my right eyelid...you've got to be kidding me?!!
In 2011 I had my Fieldtrip experience and you can read it here, where I had what I think was an alien contact. At TMI I have had the recent 2020 opportunity to have more contact through Starlines but that did not yield the results I had hoped for; but there were many subtle and intriguing experiences. Memories of blue worlds and green worlds and even silver worlds...these are the visual experiences that I had... Still, through my TMI experience I have received certain ET confirmation along at least two separate lines.
I have absolutely no knowledge of past lives on Earth or anywhere else. But I have the feeling, the sense. It was told to me by a woman with two trusted channels that I insisted on this condition, that I remember nothing; it was a condition for my incarnation. That erasure of memory has apparently been very effective. I have nothing on my time previous on Earth or with the ET's except for the fact that it does happen.
Okay, i recognize that I am stating the obvious to most but my point is that this stuff is really complicated and there is an incredible nuance to it all; that's part of the beauty of it. I don't pretend to know, except my small part, I'm trying to figure it out and I'm just conveying my current perspective.
Have a great tomorrow,
EV
Can't remember if I got this from a book, or maybe a YT video (was a long time ago). But it theorized about the government(US) being behind subsequent abductions of real abductees, to implant them with tracking devices. As far as I remember they claimed to have prof, that some removed devices was man made tech. Perhaps you know what I'm talking about here EV ? Can't seem to find it now.
That makes sense to me Bob. I think this is the first time I've seen it mentioned but the thought has crossed my mind.
I came across that idea years ago. Since then, I have become more aware of the possibility that the US government may be more involved in these things then I first thought. Their expertise in some areas contrasted with their corrupt idiocy in other areas...hard to reconcile that.
In my own case, I kind of doubt that they were interested in me since age five. But who knows...
I'm still searching...
EV, - way to kick the can!
I have been trying to get back here to comment, and I will when I get a spare moment to breathe.
Thank you for running with things. I love your elegant, well written posts.