He claims to be able to astral project easily, but I'm watching his videos on Youtube and it seems he doesn't have a clue what the actual experience is like. I think he is just good at collecting information and packaging them nicely. That's how he's become a millionaire.
It's funny: he has a video in which he talks about finding one's soulmate using astral projection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3J0D6wCMf8&feature=plcp) and then he was on Millionaire Matchmaker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3XeRKMl7q0).
In another video, he claims that a girl who never had AP before, experiences it through hypnosis, live on camera. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QGmLzDdzio&feature=plcp). I think the girl was not even hypnotized, she was licking her lips just before opening her eyes. And when you have your first AP, is that the reaction you're going to have? This is ridiculous. I should say, when I was a teenager, I was very much into hypnosis and one time I hypnotized my sister and induced an OBE. When the session was over, she was very excited and described feeling vibrations and going out of her body. So I'm not saying it is not possible to do it this way, but I feel something is fishy about this guy.
Well the astral projection hypnosis session was very interesting. Whole thing could have been staged, or it could have been legit. I don't know. During the time when she was unresponsive, she was actually breathing quite deeply. As soon as she woke and opened her eyes her breathing returned to normal. I don't know if it was real or not.
I too was very into hypnosis as a teenager and used to hypnotise my mother. She would go very deep very quickly. I used to tell her to travel in her mind and describe scenes at a distance. On the one occasion when I could verify the details she was spot on.
On that occasion I had placed a small cuddly toy on the bookshelves in my bedroom and asked her to describe it. The toy was in fact a small white Scottish terrier wearing a tartan beret. My mother described it as a small white kitten with a plate on its head.
My mother was able to speak whilst mind travelling. Steve Jones' subject was not able to speak whilst astrally projecting. That may be the difference between remote viewing and astral projection.
No he is definitely not a Con artist. I own his entire program and it works. He uses energy work, kundalini awakening, breathing exercises, Hypnosis based walkthroughs and he has some of the best Binaural Beat MP3's I have ever heard. The only reason you don't hear more about him is his price. I paid that $200 price tag and got the results I expected. I find that when you pay for a program that you are committing yourself. Commitment is paramount to success with this practice. My only criticism of his program is it takes the etheric OBE approach. I found that puts too much focus on the physical body for my liking, as I prefer to just shift my awareness instead of climb out of the body. Dr. Steve G. Jones program is excellent and I would recommend it to anyone wishing to learn how to Astral Travel.
I just wanted to add one more thing. Dr. Steve G. Jones is a clinical Hypnotist and he has over 50 different programs to help people stop anything from smoking to compulsive eating disorders and a number of other problems.
Hmmmm....
Lionheart are you sure? $25,000 for a two hour consultation with Steve Jones? I watched some of his youtube videos and he seems to be suggesting that if you buy his astral projection CD, you can "have some very very interesting journeys tonight". He comes across a bit snake oil to me?
It looks like someone is pushing the program pretty hard. I would say you would see progress after a week, being well on your way to success way after a month. Unless of course he Hypnotises you right then and there in his studio. That way you would see instant success because he is Hypnotising you, lol.
After watching these videos you posted I would say that he is trying to get his name out, like most good business would. Most of the people that go on these "reality" date shows, in my opinion, do it for publicity and also to aid their ego. I didn't watch your video links Volgerie before. I would say he got his idea for his "Astral Soul Search" video by being on that dating show. Look at the dates that both of those videos were released. When I replied earlier here, I was posting in general about Dr. Steve G. Jone's Astral Projection programs known as Explorations-Beyond the Body and
Exploration-Intensive. I have posted about these before here, just do a search on Dr. Steve G. Jones in the search engine at the top right hand side of the page here.
I'm not sure if its always that easy, For some perhaps. I've found all to often its easy to get side tracked. Very interesting though.
I've never looked into him only because the first time I saw his stuff it seemed like a scam or something.
After seeing lionheart post about it may have changed my mind to give him a shot if anything, but i'm not the one to be spending a lot of money on his programs when I can already AP, just not as often as I'de like to of course
I use the program to help other people I meet that show interest in Astral travel. I lend it out to them and then let them learn at their own pace. I do the same with my Laxman, for people that want to experience the Trance state quickly without learning how to meditate etc. Most of the people that have tried my Laxman, have been put asleep in under 5 minutes. If you don't keep your focus on noticing you will almost instantly fall asleep, it's that relaxing. :-)
I wouldn't say that is necessarily a scam BUT if you truly care about helping people then in no world should you ever charge $25,000 for a two hour consulting meeting with this guy, $200 for a program, or $1 for 1 download of him just reading a script with nice music in the background. His net worth is more than $4 million. He truly is helping people... all the way to the bank! He is just taking advantage of weak minds.
Here is a really funny video from some Brits on Steve G. Jones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04j6yMCJ7qE
WolfBlood86:
They're not "some Brits", they are Australian! :-)
Lionheart:
I have his program too. I didn't pay for it, I downloaded it for free. Since he seems just a salesman to me, I didn't feel bad doing it. There are some misleading information in that program as well; for example, he talks about Kundalini and says releasing it is very easy and there is no danger involved apart from keeping you up at night,... . I've heard different stories about Kundalini from many people who practice Yoga. I think he got all the ideas about energy work in his AP program from Robert Bruce.
Just because one can get some results out of his program doesn't mean he is not a snake oil salesman. The information in the program is not his anyway. At the end of the day, what actually brings about the results is your commitment, as you said.
Boy figure that, someone making fun of a person with a different view other than their own. Hmm, kind of seems like what happens when WE bring up Astral Travel in a group of people. :-) Closed minds stay closed, until they are forced to open.
How much is a visit to the The Monroe Institute going for now or one of Robert Bruce's personal workshops?
$25,000 for a two hour consultation. Did you see the names of the people that were signing up for this. they are the rich and famous who pay $25,000 for a babysitter, lol. Look at the names and occupations of the people giving reviews. http://www.stevegjones.com/phone.htm
Quote from: WolfBlood86 on July 11, 2012, 23:24:56
Here is a really funny video from some Brits on Steve G. Jones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04j6yMCJ7qE
Yeh I saw that too, thought it was funny too.
Quote from: Lionheart on July 12, 2012, 00:47:32
$25,000 for a two hour consultation. Did you see the names of the people that were signing up for this. they are the rich and famous who pay $25,000 for a babysitter, lol. Look at the names and occupations of the people giving reviews. http://www.stevegjones.com/phone.htm
Teaching 1%'s to AP is where the money's at!
From the site:
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How much does the phone weight loss program cost?
$100,000 for the first six phone weight loss sessions, but you get one hypnotherapy session free if you pay in advance. So it is $85,000 ($25,000 for the first session and $15,000 for four follow-up sessions).
Holy Jeebus Christ!!! For phone sessions? You could get a personal trainer for a LOT less. If you want to be rich look for the suckers. Don't waste your time with people who have common sense.
Quote from: Stookie_ on July 12, 2012, 11:44:58
Teaching 1%'s to AP is where the money's at!
From the site:
Holy Jeebus Christ!!! For phone sessions? You could get a personal trainer for a LOT less. If you want to be rich look for the suckers. Don't waste your time with people who have common sense.
I'm speechless. Why do we bother working for a living when there are rich suckers around who will pay these prices? This Steve Jones guy really has it all figured out. I'm moving to California and I'm going to do "pet whispering" sessions to the stars at $2000 a throw. It would fly.
Quote from: Lionheart on July 11, 2012, 21:57:31
I use the program to help other people I meet that show interest in Astral travel. I lend it out to them and then let them learn at their own pace. I do the same with my Laxman, for people that want to experience the Trance state quickly without learning how to meditate etc. Most of the people that have tried my Laxman, have been put asleep in under 5 minutes. If you don't keep your focus on noticing you will almost instantly fall asleep, it's that relaxing. :-)
Laxman?
The Laxman Light/Sound machine found here. It is a unique little tool. http://mylaxman.com/
I did a review of it on this forum as well. Just search Laxman Light/Sound Machine in the top right hand search engine.
Good Luck! :-)
Lionheart, have you considered that you extraordinary ability is something you
had in yourself and is not something by Steve Jones? That Steve G Jones is in
fact a scam, and you did fine on your own.
There seem to be very few other testimonies telling anything other than failure,
except those from Jones own marketing web page.
The lack of independent scientific studies is also strange.
His techniques brought awareness to this topic, just as other programs like the The Monroe Institute and Robert Bruce's Workshops do. I could have chose to learn through the Monroe Institutes Gateway programs, still at a hefty pricetag. But instead I chose Dr. Steve G. Jones. I guarantee you that if these characters that did that video heard of the Monroe Institute, that they could easily do a spoof on them as well. It's strange how he all of a sudden becomes a scam artist when someone bashes his work on video. I guess if he had a book out, he would be more believable.
The lack of independent study that Hypnosis has, my Pauli you would argue that the grass isn't green or the sky isn't blue, if there wasn't the proper credentials to back it up. You really need to stop criticizing other people's work and start taking a look at your own situation. Putting down other people or looking for a flaw in their methodology is not going to help you succeed in life. Life is about lowering entropy, not raising it.
Quote from: Lionheart on July 11, 2012, 16:44:41
No he is definitely not a Con artist. I own his entire program and it works. He uses energy work, kundalini awakening, breathing exercises, Hypnosis based walkthroughs and he has some of the best Binaural Beat MP3's I have ever heard. The only reason you don't hear more about him is his price. I paid that $200 price tag and got the results I expected. I find that when you pay for a program that you are committing yourself. Commitment is paramount to success with this practice. My only criticism of his program is it takes the etheric OBE approach. I found that puts too much focus on the physical body for my liking, as I prefer to just shift my awareness instead of climb out of the body. Dr. Steve G. Jones program is excellent and I would recommend it to anyone wishing to learn how to Astral Travel.
I just wanted to add one more thing. Dr. Steve G. Jones is a clinical Hypnotist and he has over 50 different programs to help people stop anything from smoking to compulsive eating disorders and a number of other problems.
I to used his program Lionheart. It worked for me. Those binural beat mp3s are amazing! Best ones I ever heard.
There ya go... so far, two unique and independent positive reviews. :)
Everyone has the ability.
Not many have the patience and determination to succeed.
Those who succeed know why they succeed!
Those who fail blame everyone else for their failure. This is the teaching of modern day society... never take responsibility for your own failures, blame everyone else for what you can't do. And if you can't do that... sue them. LoL
Quote from: Xanth on July 16, 2012, 13:46:25
There ya go... so far, two unique and independent positive reviews. :)
Well, you'd better make that three. I started off with Steve Jones' materials and moved on from there. The binaural tones are good and his lessons are inspiring in tone.
I fell out with his organisation later on, though. I kept on getting spammy publicity e-mails allegedly from "Steve", but with a very aggressive marketing tone. One said, "I want this year to be the year when you will kick SERIOUS BUTT". I wrote to his support team protesting that such aggressive language did not seem appropriate, as I had no intention of kicking anyone's butt, this year or ever! I got the reply that they found the remark "kinda funny" and that they would pass on my comments to the publicity company which had written the letter.
Yes, his organisation thinks only $$$$$, but the fact remains that his course did set me off on the right track.
Quote from: LPC on July 16, 2012, 16:41:22
I fell out with his organisation later on, though. I kept on getting spammy publicity e-mails allegedly from "Steve", but with a very aggressive marketing tone.
I agree completely with this quote. His program is great, but the marketing is wayyyyyy too aggressive. I had to write them a e-mail as well to tell them to quit sending me more marketing garbage that I didn't ask for. I said in my letter that I like the program, but all this advertising garbage was turning me off to the point that I will never buy anything again. They sent a e-mail back saying they were sorry and will take me off their mailing list.
Quote from: LPC on July 16, 2012, 16:41:22
Yes, his organisation thinks only $$$$$, but the fact remains that his course did set me off on the right track.
Well I'm sure that he is motivated by $$$ rather than the good of Mankind. That much is crystal from his website, his charges, and apparently, his aggressive marketing. I'm willing to believe his material is good, after all, he talks a good talk, so his hypnosis mp3s are probably good. But none of that will work if the individual doesn't have the intent, and perseverance.
We actually have a "hypnotist to the stars" here in the UK called Paul McKenna. He started as a radio DJ, but branched into hypnosis and made himself wealthy. I don't know how much he charges for a private appointment, but it wouldn't be cheap.
But there is something quite distasteful about Steve Jones blatant profiteering, which rather puts me off him.
I own his basic AP mp3...didn't really do much (had more luck with William Burlman, myself...)
Having said that, I don't mind the guy, as he has helped me in other areas of my life...
so about 60/40 for me (in his favour)
I don't think coming up with a product to sell people in this line of work is the hard part. It's all about marketing your product. The better you market it, the more people will believe it works, and we all know what happens when a person truly believes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo
(WARNING: adult language)
25k for a 2 hour session!!! :-o No doubt that's a lot! But then I guess you have to ask how is he spending the money, how does he live, I think that would give a more critical understanding of his character... I don't think making large amounts of money off what he knows is a bad thing, and if people have more money than they know what to do with, I see nothing wrong with them paying large amounts and then him using that money in a positive way that could help others or open up opportunities for others to help themselves... but on the other hand, if he lives in a house with 10 rooms, only using one, has 8 high end sport cars and 3 yachts, and is versed in tax avoidance, I think it would be fair to say he's a con man. lol
(On a side note that has reminded me of something I saw today; the guy who presents rougue traders, investigating con men and catching con men, was sent to jail for benefit fraud...)
But I don't think even then that takes away from information he gives, even if he is only repeating information from research done by others.
I don't buy stuff anyway, I learn everything from myself and people like you guys who are living it and don't have monetary incentives to deceive and then come to my own conclusions, although you might all be stark raving mad! :wink: :lol:
my mom watches televangelist peter popoff on TV and believes he is a prophet. here's some dirt on him... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHIyFmJTRsM i don't believe that the wisdom he preaches is necessarily gained through personal experience -if it were, i believe he would be more ethical and less focused on obtaining riches for himself and promising it to his followers. however, he probably helps a lot of people. are his motives geared toward helping people, or himself?
steve jones claims you can meet your soulmate via mystical methods. if he were that advanced wouldn't he understand the importance of altruism? or wouldn't he have a better sense of fair-play when charging people to help them lose weight? some of the posts in this thread make it clear that jones' programs do work, so we can't throw the baby out with the bath water. the same situation applies to popoff -he probably helps a lot of people.
either way the inclination to judge these guys is going to affect most people.
Benny Hinn in the US
Sally Morgan, Colin Fry, Derek Acorah in the UK
Actually I quite like Derek Acorah, he's a"medium" here in the UK. Has been caught cheating, but he's an absolute hoot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8H_v8cM9CQ
Colin Fry was caught cheating during a seance. They turned the lights on unexpectedly and he was standing on his chair waving a spirit trumpet.
Sally Morgan was "allegedly" caught using an earpiece and repeating information passed to her by assistants. She's suing for defamation, but was caught more recently. repeating a completely fabricated story which investigators had primed her team with.
Derek Acorah similarly repeated a fabricated story which the TV crew had been primed with.
It's depressing. But I still think Derek is hilarious, check out the link above, watch the whole thing, the TV crew crack up in tears of laughter at the end.
Quote from: catmeow on July 18, 2012, 19:26:45
Benny Hinn in the US
Sally Morgan, Colin Fry, Derek Acorah in the UK
Actually I quite like Derek Acorah, he's a"medium" here in the UK. Has been caught cheating, but he's an absolute hoot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8H_v8cM9CQ
Colin Fry was caught cheating during a seance. They turned the lights on unexpectedly and he was standing on his chair waving a spirit trumpet.
Sally Morgan was "allegedly" caught using an earpiece and repeating information passed to her by assistants. She's suing for defamation, but was caught more recently. repeating a completely fabricated story which investigators had primed her team with.
Derek Acorah similarly repeated a fabricated story which the TV crew had been primed with.
It's depressing. But I still think Derek is hilarious, check out the link above, watch the whole thing, the TV crew crack up in tears of laughter at the end.
haha Derek is pure entertainment to watch, bit OTT and I've never been able to quite believe him because of his very umm flamboyant style lol but still very entertaining. Did not know he had been caught cheating though. Colin fry... I remember hearing about that and laughing quite hard at the scenario, must of been THE most awkward moment ever!
I was thinking, I said before I don't don't buy any books on the subject or anything and I'm likely missing out, I'm not really into the binary beat stuff or guided meditation mp3's, but what would you guys say would be a couple of "must read" books...
Edit - I gotta stop doing this, just looked around the forum for suggestions on good books, and instantly find a recent post! I will learn to search before asking one day :P
Hi
Ahh, our Derek, the guy with wooden marbles in his pocket.
"Who threw that?", what a giveaway!
Entertainment with a twist.
Steve G Jones claims to be one of the worlds leading hypnotherapists.
Yet it's impossible to get to know where he got his hypnotherapy education.
It's not really possible to get to know what he means with "worlds leading expert",
or among whom he is regarded as "an expert".
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When making a search on "steve g jones Scam", most of the hits are on marketing
pages by Jones or similar selling sites, which is kind of strange in my opinion.
I can find very few sites mentioning any detailed success stories on Jones stuff,
and what I find is very sketchy. There are almost no experiences of Jones own's
on the astral.
Having watched several video clips with Jones, I must say that there is something
dishonest with this person, in my opinion. Or maybe he is just a poor video talker.
But what he says sounds often very cut up, faked/constructed, and too short.
When I try to find any independent source of information on Steve Jones, it's almost
impossible, because I constantly hit aggressive marketing pages on his products,
promising "unlimited confidence" or "stop smoking and loose weight".
But on the side of verifications or anything scientific I will have to say things look
very poor. Too much details are lacking in my opinion. I would suggest that people
be a little more questioning than just accepting those marketing pages claims.
What Jones talk about may fit simple souls, but I really doubt that he has found anything
which he hasn't either copied or made up, with little or no research background on his
own.
Those few persons who talk about their astral projections very seldom refer to Jones
products for their success. I just get the impression that these people are very skilled
in astral projection, regardless of any CD products.
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Apparently you can buy Steve G Joes penis enlargement hypnosis program (http://www.theconfidentpenis.com/penis-enlargement-hypnosis-reviews/steve-g-jones-penis-enlargement-hypnosis.html),
and here is a more specific:
Steve G Jones hypnosis Penis enlargement CD, by all natural hypnosis (http://www.stevegjones.com/penisenlargement.htm). Yes, "natural" like out in the nature..
There is also a sample on his site. I almost can feel my penis grow... :/
I really, really doubt this is more than a con.
At best, you get a placebo penis.
Either try it or don't try it. You judge too much. :-)
Xanth, I find it a little disturbing that you and Lionheart question Steve G Jones
so little. From my point of view Steve G Jones shows the traits of a con man.
As I perceive it, his video clips have the air of scam, bluff and hoax, with the
intent to make money on naive people.
I'm wondering why you from time to time have expressed yourself in a way which
could be viewed as sort of degrading on OBE persons who have backed their claims
with tons of descriptions of their own experiences like Monroe (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/angles_spiritual_guides_all_made_up-t37535.0.html;msg307805#msg307805), Moen or RB. And at
the same time you seem to support people who have little (or none) backing of their
claims about the nonphysical (by their own experiences), persons like Steve G Jones,
Kepple (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/frank_kepple_astral_projection_truth_newsletter-t32536.0.html) and Campbell (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/quotmy_big_toequot_thomas_campbell-t29753.0.html;msg304303#msg304303). The big difference with the last two persons is that they don't
try to make $25k on client phone calls, and Campbell also recommends people to be
openminded sceptic, a thing Jones certainly doesn't.
And in such an obvious case as Steve G Jones, I had hoped for a little more critical
thinking.
With the risk of making this discussion ridiculous, what happens if someone thinks he has
managed to make his penis too big with the help of Steve G Jones hypno-CD? Can Steve
G Jones give a treatment like "Shrink your penis by natural hypnotherapy" for only $XXX?
Quote from: Pauli2 on July 19, 2012, 09:36:21
I'm wondering why you from time to time have expressed yourself in a way which
could be viewed as sort of degrading on OBE persons who have backed their claims
with tons of descriptions of their own experiences like Monroe (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/angles_spiritual_guides_all_made_up-t37535.0.html;msg307805#msg307805), Moen or RB. And at
the same time you seem to support people who have little (or none) backing of their
claims about the nonphysical (by their own experiences), persons like Steve G Jones,
Kepple (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/frank_kepple_astral_projection_truth_newsletter-t32536.0.html) and Campbell (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/quotmy_big_toequot_thomas_campbell-t29753.0.html;msg304303#msg304303).
Pauli makes a good point. In order to bring OBE's into a scientific and reproducible phenomena, we need to have the critical awareness thinking.
His website is very in your face, 'as seen on - fox news, CBS, CNN NBC' Well what does that mean... I think straight away you have to ask why is this person being presented to the public by the mainstream media... Mainstream media tend towards the presentation of egotistical and materialistic music, films, information etc and have been known on occasion to warp things to appear to be something they're not, for what ever reason... So why is this guy, who is stepping up with a positive, spiritual message, take control of your life, astral projection, find your soul mate, etc etc being presented to the public by mainstream media?
I know from my perspective, I listen to some British artists, who are intelligent, spiritually, socially and politically aware, who try to send out something closer to the truth than you will get from most mainstream music, touching on real life concerns that make you think, not what cars they own, how hard, good looking or rich they are, but these people you will not really see in the mainstream media, you won't hear their songs about consumerism on the radio, or videos about social and political concerns on the t.v, they skim a bit too close to truth for that.
It may just be me, as this is simply my view, but to me this gives me an idea of what main stream media wants to present to the public and what it does not, this leads me to the need to question further his authenticity as some one on a path away from materialism and ego, someone with real understanding and knowledge - I mean a hypnoses track to increase the size of your penis... is that not the appitimy of egotism... would it not be of more help to make a hypnoses track to wake you up and know that the size of your penis is irrelevant and will not in any way shape or form bring any real happiness. (is it just me who wants to crack an immature sex joke here... ) :lol:
I'm a bit biased though, I have issue with anything in mainstream media, it instantly puts me on guard, if I have interest in it I have to do more digging, cause I simply don't trust information to be full, correct and in context when it's pushed in mainstream. Not to say I just accept info from other places at face value, mainstream just puts me in auto research mode straight away, if I'm interested. Between what I read, this penis enlargement hypnoses and the video I watched on his site, I'm inclined to believe he's all about the money; he may well be a top notch hypnotherapist, and may well of had AP experiences, but I wouldn't hold him up as someone with any real insight of his own outside of marketing and manipulation. Though that's not to say he doesn't have good information, I just doubt it is his own from what I saw.
But then it's just my opinions, my opinions are probably of about as much value as his penis enlargement tape. :lol:
Hi,
Will someone send all their money for this CD.
Them we can all see who's the biggest willy.
Well, for what it's worth, I'm totally with Pauli on this. Talking common sense!
First (and I want to make this 100% crystal clear), I have never heard of this dude before, nor have I any idea who he is or what he's about.
And honestly, I really don't give a damn either way.
Regardless of how other people "perceive" him, the fact remains that people have had success with his "program".
I can't deny that. We have multiple individuals on this very forum giving firsthand "successful" testimonial.
And if I was having issues projecting and I had money to burn, I might give it serious consideration to buying the program and trying it.
Suffice to say... how you perceive things might not always line up with what they actually are. Some of you *COULD* be 100% correct about him.
I'm NOT saying this guy isn't a con man... I honestly really couldn't care less if he is, but if he's helping people to project, who am I to argue?
A perceptual example: My first impression of Michael Raduga's website was that it sold softcore porn guised as an astral projection program.
Tom Campbell also says that if the data/information you get from something is helpful to you in some way... why does it matter where it came from?
Quote from: todd421757 on July 19, 2012, 09:53:38
Pauli makes a good point. In order to bring OBE's into a scientific and reproducible phenomena, we need to have the critical awareness thinking.
In order to bring OBE's into a scientific and reproducible phenomenon we need one simple thing: For people (mostly scientists) to open their mind to the possibilities.
Quote from: catmeow on July 19, 2012, 18:31:44
Well, for what it's worth, I'm totally with Pauli on this. Talking common sense!
Then don't do his program, nobody is forcing you guys to do it. See how simple that is? :)
Quote from: Xanth on July 19, 2012, 18:59:14
First (and I want to make this 100% crystal clear), I have never heard of this dude before,
nor have I any idea who he is or what he's about.
Are you serious?
Never
heard of?
Lionheart has pointed out the excellence of Steve G Jones' CD-pack time and time
again on the Pulse. He has for example compared the price to that of Gateway Wave (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/is_this_site_a_scam_look_below-t35356.0.html;msg293870#msg293870).
You can't suddenly make such a claim.
Pauli, I don't have the time to read EVERY SINGLE POST every single person makes on this site.
Quote from: Xanth on July 19, 2012, 19:46:34
Pauli, I don't have the time to read EVERY SINGLE POST every single person makes on this site.
You have Steve Jone's name quoted in the following post.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/time_to_dust_off-t35151.0.html;msg292206#msg292206
Quote from: Xanth on July 19, 2012, 19:46:34
Pauli, I don't have the time to read EVERY SINGLE POST every single person makes on this site.
But you have read some of Lionheart's posts.
Do google "site:astralpulse.com steve jones lionheart (https://www.google.com/#hl=sv&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=site:astralpulse.com+steve+jones+lionheart&oq=site:astralpulse.com+steve+jones+lionheart&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.6.344726.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.x48uyJ-xwak&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=429823ab27239cd1&biw=1280&bih=914)" and you
may get a 100 hits.
This is a bit pointless - I think authenticity should be talked about and cared about, it does matter, people come to places like this for information on this topic, so it should be talked about, but without turning into all sorts of madness. Whether Steve G Jones is a con artist or not, we all have our views on it, and that is a good thing, it gives a fuller picture, but trying to prove one wrong or right is fruitless, anyone outside reading this, can look at it see the differing points of view, maybe go off and have a deeper look into it themselves and make up their mind about it. I don't think it matters If Xanth knew who the guy is, my gut says if he remembered the guy he'd say he did, but then I don't really think it matters either way, he made his point, and a valid one, that if it helps people to AP it's a good thing - but like I said that does not exclude discussion about the validity of the 'teacher' or what ever you want to call him.
Quote from: todd421757 on July 19, 2012, 19:53:19
You have Steve Jone's name quoted in the following post.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/time_to_dust_off-t35151.0.html;msg292206#msg292206
Would you prefer "I have no memory of" instead? LoL
You'll also find that I've never made any reference to him in any of my posts on the Astral Pulse, ever. ;)
This thread would be the first.
Quote from: Pauli2 on July 19, 2012, 20:01:53
But you have read some of Lionheart's posts.
Do google "site:astralpulse.com steve jones lionheart (https://www.google.com/#hl=sv&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=site:astralpulse.com+steve+jones+lionheart&oq=site:astralpulse.com+steve+jones+lionheart&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.6.344726.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.x48uyJ-xwak&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=429823ab27239cd1&biw=1280&bih=914)" and you
may get a 100 hits.
Check out how many of those posts I put a reply in... chances are good there will be very few, if any at all.
Never heard of the guy either, but I agree with Xanth. If you wanna try it, try it. If it works it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. If something helps you, who cares where it comes from.
I used to work for a psychic that I think is a bit of a con man (not that I doubt his ability completely, but he charges a lot of money for private readings and sells the crap out of himself), but he was still very well versed in occult studies and i learned a great deal from him in that regard.
Quote from: Xanth on July 19, 2012, 18:59:14Tom Campbell also says that if the data/information you get from something is helpful to you in some way... why does it matter where it came from?
If it works. Do you believe that it works?
Do you believe that anyone can make their penis grow by help of
Steve G Jones Penis enlargement CD, all natural hypnosis (http://www.stevegjones.com/penisenlargement.htm) ?
Do you think it is possible to make any body part grow or shrink by hypnosis?
Increase body height by hypnosis? In only 21 days?
Female Breast enlargement (http://www.stevegjones.com/breastenlargement.htm)?
By hypnosis?
Really?
Hi,
The law of attraction?
Does this have anything to do with it too?
Placebo effect in action, I wonder.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 20, 2012, 06:08:07
Placebo effect in action, I wonder.
In my opinion, this likely will explain the results.
Now ask yourself this: what IS the placebo effect? Why and, more importantly, HOW does it explain the results?
It's all good to say that it's just the placebo effect... But it's still an unknown in the scientific world.
In other words saying something is the placebo effect is a cop out. It means you have no idea how to describe or define what's actually happening. :-)
Quote from: Xanth on July 20, 2012, 07:41:33
Now ask yourself this: what IS the placebo effect? Why and, more importantly, HOW does it explain the results?
It's all good to say that it's just the placebo effect... But it's still an unknown in the scientific world.
In other words saying something is the placebo effect is a cop out. It means you have no idea how to describe or define what's actually happening. :-)
The placebo effect happens when a stimulation of mechanoreceptors or proprioceptors block the pathway of nocioceptors (pain and other displeasure sensation receptors) into the dorsal horn of the spinal cord.
Stimulation of mechanoreceptors or proprioceptors after blocking nocioceptors may lead to states of euphoria, greater vitality, or thinking progress is being made. But the nocioceptors are still present. They are just being blocked. As soon as the mechanoreceptors or proprioceptor input is stopped, the nocioceptors will be activated again.
Mechanoreceptors and Proprioceptors can be stimulated in many ways.
This explains the theories of mind over matter. This explains how drugs (prescribed and illegal) work. This explains how meditation works. This explains how hypnosis works. And this explains hows massage, biofeedback, and many health care treatments work.
Unless you can keep the mechanoreceptors and proprioceptors stimulated for a long time, then you are only achieving a temporary state.
All you've got to do is visit the guy's website to see it's a money-making scam. Why would you want to support and learn something from a greedy guy with low morals? I made a post earlier about marketing, and marketing is all about suggestion, which is a form of hypnosis, and this guy is a hypnotherapist. Get it?
Does a few people who spend lots of money on this and get results mean it may be worth it? If you have low standards and remain ignorant of being taken advantage of. It's these kind of people that help make society crap.
Quote from: todd421757 on July 20, 2012, 11:03:53
The placebo effect happens when a stimulation of mechanoreceptors or proprioceptors block the pathway of nocioceptors (pain and other displeasure sensation receptors) into the dorsal horn of the spinal cord.
Stimulation of mechanoreceptors or proprioceptors after blocking nocioceptors may lead to states of euphoria, greater vitality, or thinking progress is being made. But the nocioceptors are still present. They are just being blocked. As soon as the mechanoreceptors or proprioceptor input is stopped, the nocioceptors will be activated again.
Mechanoreceptors and Proprioceptors can be stimulated in many ways.
This explains the theories of mind over matter. This explains how drugs (prescribed and illegal) work. This explains how meditation works. This explains how hypnosis works. And this explains hows massage, biofeedback, and many health care treatments work.
Unless you can keep the mechanoreceptors and proprioceptors stimulated for a long time, then you are only achieving a temporary state.
I don't have a clue what all that means... but I have to imagine that you're trying to provide information regarding the Placebo Effect. LoL
Do you happen to have a source for this information? :)
As far as I'm aware, science doesn't know how or why the placebo effect works.
They know "how to use it" in regards to the scientific method, but not why it occurs.
Why can you give one patient a real pill and heal them... and give another patient with the same "illness" a sugar pill and heal them too?
Here is the part of the document that is related to the placebo discussion:
The pain-detection threshold is both biological and subjective and thus has many influential denominations. Influences on pain tolerance include drugs, alcohol, and hypnosis, any of which can alter the cognitive function of the brain and increase tolerance. Faith and strong beliefs can enhance pain tolerance. Warmth, rubbing, and distraction have also been thought to increase tolerance of pain. Pain tolerance can be reduced by fatigue, anger, boredom, anxiety, stress and depression. Persistent pain also seems to decrease tolerance (Watt-Watson, 1999). Because of the varied and multiple factors that can decrease pain tolerance, athletes who do not respond well to therapy should not be judged as malingerers or "fakers". Disregarding the physiological effects of psychological influences creates an incomplete picture of pain etiology and is an injustice to the athlete.
The central-biasing theory also explains cognitive evaluation such as conscious thought (Starkey, 1993) and past experiences or pain memory (Prentice, 1999). An athlete who cringes and grimaces before a painful bruise is actually touched exemplifies pain memory. We often observe athletes who, after return to play, overreact to a situation similar to that involving a previous injury. Past experiences and learned behaviors might explain the sociological factors associated with central biasing. Picture the Little League shortstop who is hit with a batted ball in the groin. If the athlete is a boy, he might react to pain much differently than a female gymnast who falls on the uneven bars and injures her groin. This is an example of gender-role stereotypical response. Much research has been conducted comparing the pain response between genders (Buxton, 1999).
Another example of the influence of conscious thought on pain tolerance is peer pressure (Buxton, 1999). An athlete who changes a pain complaint after a pep talk from a teammate is consciously overriding pain (Starkey, 1993). Culture, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, the type of sport played (contact vs. noncontact), personality type, and being in the "heat of the game" all influence pain tolerance (Buxton; Prentice, 1999).
Central-biasing theory might be related to placebo effects of pain relief. The etiology of a decrease in pain without physiological change to the issue could be interpreted as a psychological mechanism. "All therapeutic modalities have some degree of placebo effect" (Buxton, 1999, p.59). For example, an athlete might discuss a great new modality that has helped him or her achieve pain-free range of motion when, in fact, the ultrasound machine used on that athlete had a broken crystal. The central-biasing theory is applied to athletic training or therapy when we ask an athlete to describe and rate his or her pain on a scale of 1 – 10 (Buxton). Athletic trainers and therapists working with athletes in pain should capitalize on the central-biasing theory by initially calming and comforting the athlete, empathizing once the athlete is calm, and justifying the reaction that he or she is having to the painful experience. Education and behavior modification can give the athlete confidence and assurance that pain is a protective process and that there are many ways of managing it.
This is taken from:
physio2go.com/files/paintheories.doc
This is a Microsoft word document that explains things in an easier format. Copy and paste the link into your browser and then select open to read it as a Microsoft word document.
Quote from: Xanth on July 20, 2012, 13:08:18
As far as I'm aware, science doesn't know how or why the placebo effect works.
They know "how to use it" in regards to the scientific method, but not why it occurs.
Why can you give one patient a real pill and heal them... and give another patient
with the same "illness" a sugar pill and heal them too?
Steve G Jones doesn't state that his hypnotic method works by placebo.
Steve G Jones doesn't state how his hypnosis method work at all.
Steve G Jones just claims to be
one of the world leading experts on hypnosis,
but without anything backing up his claim. How has he got that title?
Xanth, do you believe that someones penis can grow by hypnosis as a result of placebo?
By help of Steve G Jones Penis enlargement CD, all natural hypnosis (http://www.stevegjones.com/penisenlargement.htm) ?
Don't you request any scientific proofs, like a measurement of the length of the
person's penis before and after those 21 days of hypnosis "treatment"?
Not mere placebo.
Or can we agree that Steve G Jones is a con man, producing a scam which
doesn't deserve any credit on the Pulse. That his hypnosis therapy is bluff,
hoax, deception, swindle, hustle or similar tricks to get people's money.
If you go to a scientist and say: "
Hey, this Steve G Jones guy can increase the
length of my penis and he can also give me a ride into the astral, by hypnosis
therapy at the cost of $25000 for two phone calls."
What reaction do you think you will get?
Placebo?
Scam?
Dude, you need to get over your obsession with penises... LoL
I've had the same concerns as the OP, something sounds a bit off... I'm still undecided about his programme, which is why I haven't bought it - yet. But I'm considering it since there are people here vouching for its quality... Lionheart saying it's good stuff makes me consider it seriously. I'm not entirely convinced about his (Jones') motivation though.
As for the marketing - some people truly believe that something is/works better the more you pay for it, so raising the price is just good marketing that works on some people. (Others find it problematic though - personally I don't believe in making money off spiritual things because I've been trained to see it as more of an altruistic thing, but that's just me.) Regardless of his credentials, he's quite a big name so if he can increase his prices for a private session, maybe it's understandable that he would. He does cater to the celebrity crowd, who might not like it at all if it sounds 'cheap'. Sounds like a ridiculous price to me and I wouldn't pay for that, but some would. Fair enough.
To be honest I find his marketing and videos less offputting than some of what Robert Bruce has said (and his tone much of the time). And he's actually much less pushy than Bruce and some of the other programmes at Mindvalley (same marketing company he uses).
But if the binaurals work then it might be worth it just for that. If it works, it works. If buying his programme activates some sort of placebo effect that actually works on me then I'd consider that a small price to pay for a good result to be honest. The placebo effect is, in my mind, a good thing as long as it does no harm. I would absolutely love to have a placebo thing that worked on some of my health issues, so why not this...
I think I've sort of talked myself into buying it now :-) If that 2-for-1 offer happens again I'll probably post about it on this forum. And I think it has a money back guarantee too, not that I don't have a tendency to miss the deadlines for those things but at least it's something.
Wow, all I can say is Wow. I just returned from a week long Music Festival named Moondance Jam in Minnesota to see this.. Pauli you have just shown me how paranoid you really are. Here's an idea, why don't you take care of Pauli first before you stick your nose into other people's affairs. I have sent PMs offering to help you and you have chose not to accept my help. But your obsession with attacking people that you don't agree with is causing you to become Delusional. I am not a Hypnotist or Dr. Steve G. Jones, lol, but I would sure like to have his money! :-)
As for the google search, I have found that for some reason any topic that we talk about here can be found on a simple google search. I myself do not like that lack of invasion of privacy.
Lastly, for people that are interested in this program, it is ONLY a "Tool". I bought it, I used it and I found a level of success with it, end of story! I have also purchased the Laxman Light/Sound Machine,, the Bio Tuner and a number of Binaural Beat and Isochronic Tones from websites that sell them like Kelly Howell's Binaural Beat MP3's to help me reach my personal destinations and goals. I am currently searching for a good set of Tibetan Singing Bowls so I may play around with the mind effect that Harmonics create. I like to experiment, but have no wish to write any books or do any videos EVER. I have yet to read Pauli's review on those items. I'm sure he is reading books on these right now as I am typing this post here. :wink:
Lionheart, since you own his programme, maybe you could answer a question for me. As I said in my post above yours, I'm considering buying it, but it would help to know if the content addresses my problem at all. As we're all well aware of, there's an element of 'believing you can do it' involved in our success (or lack thereof) with astral projection. The problem is, I don't. On some level I do, I really do, but I've come to see that one of the problems I have is that there are some deep-rooted issues with not believing it's possible for me to be successful at it. (It's a long story but basically it's been drilled into my head over many years, unintentionally from basically everyone that's contributed.)
Do the hypnosis sessions address problems like mine in any meaningful way? Basically, is there anything substantial in his programme that you think could turn the ship around for someone who has the self-belief thing down on the surface but not beneath? If it could help address this then it would be well worth the price tag, because nothing I do on the surface seems to put a dent in the underlying things, so I could use some help in some form. Hypnosis has helped me with other things, so I'm thinking it might be worth a go. I would appreciate any input on this, thanks :-)
Quote from: bluelily on July 22, 2012, 20:03:18
As we're all well aware of, there's an element of 'believing you can do it' involved in our success (or lack thereof) with astral projection. The problem is, I don't. On some level I do, I really do, but I've come to see that one of the problems I have is that there are some deep-rooted issues with not believing it's possible for me to be successful at it.
The program will NOT help anyone who does not believe this is possible. You need to find what it would take to change your believe here. I'll give you a personal event, one of many personal events that made me a believer.
Last August, Mary Jo and I were in the process of getting our Christmas Seasonal store. For the past 5 years we have had a Seasonal store during the months of November/December. I sat down to do a Phase Session and was shown a Kiosk, not a store. This Kiosk had two products we have never sold before, products we knew nothing about. One was some kind of glowing glass product, the other looked like a Salt Lamp. I immediately told Mary Jo about my session, she was mad and didn't want to hear anything about it. Before we started doing Seasonal Stores, we did Season Kiosks and did not like that experience. So, we looked into the store, signed a Contract for a spot in our local mall, this basically made my vision in my Phase Session null and void. At least you would think it would. But what I saw I believed to be true, so I told Mary Jo that maybe it would be a good idea to bring Salt Lamps and the glowing product, which turned out to be a Glowing Glass Jellyfish into our store. We went on preparing for our store and the day before we were to take over the lease we received a disturbing phone call. It was the Mall and it seemed they had made a enormous error. The name of the mall we were going into is Crossroads Mall, the company that owns our mall owns many, another that just happens to be Crossroads Mall but in Michigan. They messed up the lease location. We live in Minnesota, not Michigan. So, all they could offer us was, yes you guessed right, a Kiosk. We couldn't fit our musical animals or our Dragon Sculptures on the Kiosk. But we could fit Salt Lamps and Glass Blown Jellyfish.
Now you can see why my belief is so strong and why I have chose to volunteer my time helping other people here. This is real. It was proven to me, now you just have to find way to prove it to yourself.
Thank you for your answer. My problem isn't so much about it being real vs not - I've done it before. My problem is that while I KNOW on some level that I can do it, there's another level that's convinced I can't (other people can, just... not me), and it's really getting in the way. Do you think the hypnosis sessions in his programme might be of help here? Cause whatever else I've done only seems to access the surface parts, if that makes sense...? On that level I'm convinced, but the problem lies deeper.
My only answer to you BlueLily would be to listen to his free youtube videos and decide for yourself whether or not this is the Tool" you wish to use. While your at it, type the word Hypnosis in your youtube search box and see how many other people that use Hypnosis to rid themselves of a problem. be entertained, or help them achieve some important goal in life.
To be honest if I had money to burn I'd go for it. I actually like what he says; his free videos are informative and good quality and when he's telling (but probably repeating) information about astral projection he's very well-spoken.
Quote from: bluelily on July 22, 2012, 21:16:04
Thank you for your answer. My problem isn't so much about it being real vs not - I've done it before. My problem is that while I KNOW on some level that I can do it, there's another level that's convinced I can't (other people can, just... not me), and it's really getting in the way. Do you think the hypnosis sessions in his programme might be of help here? Cause whatever else I've done only seems to access the surface parts, if that makes sense...? On that level I'm convinced, but the problem lies deeper.
There's something to be said for Intent.
You purchasing Jones' program might symbolize a good chunk of your positive intent towards projecting due to the perceived cost of the program. :-)
Intent can manifest in strange ways. Ways which we could never initially even guess.
Thanks for your input Lionheart. I'll take that as a 'no' about there being anything in the programme itself that specifically addresses subconscious limiting beliefs. I may need to work something out on my own... I've come to believe that hypnosis has an effect on me from trying it on other things (and that belief may be all that's needed, right?) so it may be able to help with this too.
@Xanth: Yeah that's a point to consider too :-) Thanks.
It's important to be able to discern the real-deal teachers from the egotistical money-makers... that is unless you don't care about the impact these types have on society. The easiest way to figure it out is not to spend any money on AP/mediation/spirituality at all. There is SO MUCH information available for free, and from there it's all about inner work, which is a personal journey - it almost seems sacrilegious to be expected to spend money for it. And if you think it will speed things up, then patience and perseverance is probably a lesson needed to be learned, as those are very important on a spiritual path as well.
All the necessary information is available for free.
I've always thought that. If you know where you're looking, you won't need to buy anything.
All money does, is accelerate the process (for most things)
I can only name one person out there who combines hypnosis with teaching astral projection, which is why it's interesting to me. For those of us who have additional different issues than the average person who tries this, it's quite possible it may be of help.
And at least with him you know roughly what you're getting and I can say confidently that he's not trying to hook people into a religion or something... Which is the potential downside of spiritual teachers.
I don't really like the money aspect of it though. It makes me uncomfortable, because there are so many people out there who can't pay.
Quote from: bluelily on July 23, 2012, 15:13:07
I can only name one person out there who combines hypnosis with teaching astral projection, which is why it's interesting to me. For those of us who have additional different issues than the average person who tries this, it's quite possible it may be of help.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg (http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/AstralVoyages.htm) teaches you to create your own self hypnosis scripts for astral projection with a simple digital recorder. His book is like 20 bucks. He does all kinds of hypnosis scripts though. Probably even has a penis enlargement book. :lol:
I used to stack his hypnosis scripts over top of binural beats, I found it to be very effective. I would start with a simple binural for relaxation, then drop it to something to take you deeper and then record hypnosis scripts over them. The binurals are nearly inaudible and hypnosis
seems to be more effective when the script is recorded in your own voice (your subconscious likes the way you sound; and i say that it seems more effective because i don't have any scientific research to provide as evidence, but i've found it to be accurate).
However, once you learn to write these kind of scripts (which you can learn to do for free online), it's really easy to write your own scripts for whatever purpose. People don't really acknowledge it much, but any of Monroe's programs that have him talking to you, telling you what to do, are basically hypnotism scripts. The only difference is that he uses binurals to get your mind into the right state, whereas a hypnotist uses phrases and your own will to get the job done.
Quote from: Stookie_ on July 23, 2012, 11:52:23
...and from there it's all about inner work, which is a personal journey - it almost seems sacrilegious to be expected to spend money for it.
quite.
Thanks for that, personalreality :-) I hadn't heard of him before but I'll look into his work. I actually already have two books on self-hypnosis (including one by Forbes Robbins Blair that I quite liked, called Instant Self-Hypnosis) and have written my own scripts before, and have the points I want for an astral projection script written down at least. I just haven't written it out properly yet.
Your idea of adding that on top of binaural beats sounds good. I actually tried one like that on Youtube (that one was by Rick something) but I'm more comfortable with scripts I've made myself... Probably the case for a lot of people.
Agreed about many of these guided audios being basically hypnosis sessions. Many of the ones I've heard are as textbook as they come, but people rarely acknowledge that... Maybe because it would spook people and make them worry about someone getting inside their heads.
I heard this guy Dr. Goldberg speak on Coast to Coast AM and I was definitely not impressed with what he had to say. He was full of ego and basically said his way was the only way. His private sessions are $400.00 and he says for most cases a maximum of 5 three hour sessions is all that is needed to complete his training. That's $2000.00 for his complete training.
Here is his Coast to Coast AM interview. His section starts at 1:16:00. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5PHRvcGtuU
Wow, that's quite a high price... I guess some people feel very differently about charging money for these things. And I wouldn't expect to have it down after 5 sessions anyway. If only it was that simple...
Quote from: bluelily on July 24, 2012, 20:28:11
Wow, that's quite a high price... I guess some people feel very differently about charging money for these things. And I wouldn't expect to have it down after 5 sessions anyway. If only it was that simple...
Honestly, we all have to survive in this physical reality. To do that, it requires money.
Charging money to teach the stuff we know is a small price really. For if they didn't charge money, they probably wouldn't be able to survive here long enough to not only learn the skills, but to pass them along. :)
I have Goldberg's book, "Astral Voyages"... I wasn't very impressed with it.
I have also listened to that particular Coast to Coast interview, but again, it was a very long time and I don't remember the content all that well now.
Actually, I just ran upstairs and grabbed my copy of "Astral Voyages" to briefly go through.
It would seem that, as long as you can get past his "mystical" & "classical" views on astral bodies and dimensions... I think it's not a completely terrible read.
There are some solid techniques and suggestions throughout it.
Quote from: Xanth on July 24, 2012, 21:31:19
Honestly, we all have to survive in this physical reality. To do that, it requires money.
Charging money to teach the stuff we know is a small price really. For if they didn't charge money, they probably wouldn't be able to survive here long enough to not only learn the skills, but to pass them along. :)
Yes, I understand the rationalisation for it, but there's just something that feels off to me about charging for spirituality. I'm not really comfortable with people making a living doing it. Many people can't pay... But it's just my personal feelings about it. I'm ok with other people thinking about it differently... Good thing there's a lot of good info out there for free though.
I really respect Thomas Campbell's approach of keeping his day job, uploading his book for free for anyone to read, and conducting interviews and giving talks... I don't know if anyone else saw the video of Robert Bruce's interview with him recently but there was an awkward moment there when Bruce talked about how talks tend to pay better and Campbell said that oh actually he doesn't charge to do talks. It actually makes me want to buy his book anyway, even if I can just keep reading it online for free.
Quote from: Lionheart on July 24, 2012, 19:19:29
I heard this guy Dr. Goldberg speak on Coast to Coast AM and I was definitely not impressed with what he had to say. He was full of ego and basically said his way was the only way. His private sessions are $400.00 and he says for most cases a maximum of 5 three hour sessions is all that is needed to complete his training. That's $2000.00 for his complete training.
I'm completely with you on that one. He's full of himself and he's trying to brand himself sooo much that it's annoying.
However, he is a good hypnotherapist and all you need is one of his books and you get all the basics for learning self hypnosis. If you're smart, it's not hard to create your own scripts after reading one of his books.
But, like I said, you can learn to do the same thing for free online. I used to just go to borders or barnes and noble and just walk around the metaphysical/spirituality sections until a book popped out at me (I have actually had books fall off the shelf in front of me and I just stopped and bought them). Goldberg was one of those authors. I found his book helpful, but I agree that he's egotistical and charges outrageous prices for his private sessions. A person could make plenty of money charging like a dollar an hour or something. I worked with psychics, a hypnotist and even a mentalist who all made a perfectly decent living like that.
Quote from: Xanth on July 24, 2012, 21:31:19
I have Goldberg's book, "Astral Voyages"... I wasn't very impressed with it.
It has solid self-hypnosis scripts in it. I took classes at college on hypnosis, and some workshops by private instructors, one from A.R.E. in Norfolk, and based on what I've learned about hypnosis, his methods are good. The problem is that he could care less about the subjects of his scripts. He just picks "hot" topics like projection or "connecting with your higher self" and writes a book about them. His books are practically all the same. I think he's got like one book written and he just changes the details to reflect the subject that he's trying to sell. But, the techniques are legit.
Again, you can learn for free online.
Since we are talking about Hypnotists, we might as well bring up motivational speakers as well. Basically they are the same difference. Tony Robbins name has been brought up lately in the news, but not the way he would prefer. Check out this recent article http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/23/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-injured-idUS36064864620120723. I was never impressed with Tony, he was born with a silver spoon, unlike Zig Ziglar. When I was in sales I read many of Tony's books, but Zig Ziglar impressed me much more due to the fact that Zig went from rags to riches.
Quote from: Xanth on July 24, 2012, 21:31:19
Charging money to teach the stuff we know is a small price really.
No, no, no... this stuff is a GIVEN. No one should be expected to pay a dime to find their own essence. You have the RIGHT as a human to access it
for free. We are not here to work, to make money, so we can buy our way back to spirit.
Quote from: Xanth on July 24, 2012, 21:31:19
For if they didn't charge money, they probably wouldn't be able to survive here long enough to not only learn the skills, but to pass them along. :)
No way. Anyone can learn this while having a regular job. We're all passing along what we've learned without having to write a book or give a lecture. And I trust the person that is doing this from their heart before the person that is charging anything for it. I don't mean that everyone out there who is making money is a scam artist... far from it, there are really good people out there who do, but for true seekers, it's not necessary to have to pay anyone. If you want to, just be mindful of who you're giving your money to.
Quote from: Stookie_ on July 25, 2012, 11:58:12
No, no, no... this stuff is a GIVEN. No one should be expected to pay a dime to find their own essence. You have the RIGHT as a human to access it for free. We are not here to work, to make money, so we can buy our way back to spirit.
I doubt Steve thought about that specific philosophy when thinking up a price, if I'm honest. :lol:
Quote from: Jdeadevil on July 25, 2012, 16:00:23
I doubt Steve thought about that specific philosophy when thinking up a price, if I'm honest. :lol:
This is simply because these people all see this as a business venture. they are not doing this out of kindness of their hearts. It may start this way, but after awhile that greedy little guy on their shoulders starts to talk, lol. Look at at a number of authors. They normally write their first book based on something near and dear to them. Then enters their Publisher, who pushes them to keep writing. At first it was a passion, now it has become a labor.
Hello,
Well, I purchased his product, found it full of platitudes easily gleaned from cursory reading of other people's experiences. I seriously tried his technique, but found his blatant self-promotion to be getting in my way. Easy fix: I returned the product, and my money was returned without argument, as advertised. That was fair... buyer beware! As adults we're responsible.
My own custom program program using Bruce, Raduga, and Monroe with a smattering of Xanth's phasing tips has succeeded beyond my hopes and wishes. The key is persistence, intent, and belief, IMHO. If Steve Jones' aggressive schtick doesn't impact your progress, more power to it. My very first OBE occurred 40 years ago after reading Casteneda, and was powered by intent... and his was a work of fiction! My focus drifted, I joined the rat race, and that was that for a few decades. But, as Fast Eddy said in "The Color of Money", I'm back! So, everyone please get over yourselves, lighten up, and enjoy the ride... there's even room for a few quacks!
Quote from: Doobie on July 27, 2012, 21:33:03
Hello,
Well, I purchased his product, found it full of platitudes easily gleaned from cursory reading of other people's experiences. I seriously tried his technique, but found his blatant self-promotion to be getting in my way. Easy fix: I returned the product, and my money was returned without argument, as advertised. That was fair... buyer beware! As adults we're responsible.
My own custom program program using Bruce, Raduga, and Monroe with a smattering of Xanth's phasing tips has succeeded beyond my hopes and wishes. The key is persistence, intent, and belief, IMHO. If Steve Jones' aggressive schtick doesn't impact your progress, more power to it. My very first OBE occurred 40 years ago after reading Casteneda, and was powered by intent... and his was a work of fiction! My focus drifted, I joined the rat race, and that was that for a few decades. But, as Fast Eddy said in "The Color of Money", I'm back! So, everyone please get over yourselves, lighten up, and enjoy the ride... there's even room for a few quacks!
That's why I started this thread, to warn people about a dubious "teacher", and to emphasize that although some are going to get desired results from his products (since binaural beats, etc. will work regardless), that doesn't necessarily mean that the source is credible.
Some people had amazing experience based on Carlos Castaneda's teachings as well. And exactly because they got some results, they assumed that everything he was saying was right, even the women who were closed to him (known to the followers as The Witches) killed themselves after his death to join him on the other side. But later on it became evident to all that the con artist, Carlos Castaneda, pulled the information from different books and sold it to the world, claiming that they were teachings of Don Juan, a character who never existed. So, the reasoning which goes like: the teachings were more or less effective, so who cares about the creadibility of the source, can be dangerous. Just look at how Castaneda misused his power and what he did to The Witches (sleeping with them at the same time, etc). He was a greedy man, capable of telling good stories and attracting the gullible, so is Steve G. Jones.
Be aware of this school of thought in the New Age movement which says: if the information resonates with you take it, no matter what the source. I would add this to it: take the information but before fully investigating the source, don't attach to it for more.
Quote from: voyager13 on July 28, 2012, 07:38:15
So, the reasoning which goes like: the teachings were more or less effective,
so who cares about the creadibility of the source, can be dangerous.
Quote from: Xanth on July 19, 2012, 18:59:14
Tom Campbell also says that if the data/information you get from something
is helpful to you in some way... why does it matter where it came from?
Well Xanth, I hope you learn something from this...
What is also known, is that about 10 % of all population is susceptible to hypnosis,
these people can easily be duped into believing that they have had an OBE, but
the have merely been under the influence of hypnosis.
And that's perhaps one reason why such a fraud as Steve G Jones manages to make a lot of
money on people's belief that they can have Penis Enlargement (http://www.stevegjones.com/penisenlargement.htm) and Breast Enlargement (http://www.stevegjones.com/breastenlargement.htm) by
hypnosis only.
The only drawback is that the effect is not "
Lasting and Permanent" as some promotion
pages of the hoaxer Steve G Jones claim. That's a lie.
You have to decide when you're tricking yourself.
Pauli, I'm sorry bud, but you "just don't get it"... and you probably never will.
I guess you really can't teach and old dog new tricks. ;)
I've already said what I've wanted to say in this thread.
Your inability to fathom and conceptualize my words saddens me... but I understand your confusion and I understand your inability to learn.
If you wish to further interrogate me here, you won't get it as I'm done in this thread.
If you wish to try and understand the concepts which I'm speaking about... re-read my posts in this thread a few more times, hopefully you'll gain a small glimmer of what I'm saying here instead of falling back upon the shield of your bias and belief.
I'll give you one hint though: ego.
I always end up scratching my head when some of the posters on this forum talk to each other... Newbie :-) Won't stick my nose in your business though.
I have to at least agree with the notion that the source matters. Not necessarily what the source is, but that it's something or someone you want to listen to or learn from. Deception is a dangerous thing.
Thank you Doobie for sharing your experience with his programme. I'm fairly sure now that I'm better off saving the money, learning more about hypnosis myself, and finding and/or making my own binaural beats. Since it doesn't seem like he has anything targeting my specific problems (which would have made it seem more worthwhile) it seems kind of pointless to get the programme.
This reminds me of a program I wanted to buy from Robert Bruce. A good man... It's just I do not have $400 at my disposal right now. Besides, the pulse offers SO MANY useful techniques and you can ask as many questions as you want and get a very good answer. Always have liked it here. 8-)
There's lots of money in the guru business. Many fools to exploit.
Quote from: AstralCody on July 29, 2012, 16:31:55
This reminds me of a program I wanted to buy from Robert Bruce. A good man... It's just I do not have $400 at my disposal right now. Besides, the pulse offers SO MANY useful techniques and you can ask as many questions as you want and get a very good answer. Always have liked it here. 8-)
I started to question Robert Bruce when he started talking like his programme is cheap enough for anyone to afford (these days? really?) and that people would regret it in the afterlife if they don't. I've been on his mailing list for a while, and I've liked some of what he's written, but on those points I was not impressed. And I won't be giving him any of my money...
Ok that's enough.