Paul Hellyer, former Minister of Defense of Canada
Topics (related)
- Some ETs Species who have visited and still visit Earth: Zeta Reticuli , Pleiadians, Orions ETs,
- Tall Whites living on US Airforce Property
- CABAL: Military Industrial Complex, Builderbergs, Cartels
- Shadow Governments, Ruling Elite, Rockerfellers, Bush etc.
Some interesting information.
This was given as part of the UFO Citizen Hearings on Disclosures that took place between 4/29/2013 and 5/3/2013.
http://vimeo.com/65430488#
wow, thanks, didn't know this was being filmed and put up. there's much more on youtube to find from this Hearing
Yeah I noticed that...a small disturbance in the force... :lol:
I am interested mainly (at the moment) why - if Extraterrestrials are really here and flying around in ships, why they don't make more of an effort to be seen, and why for the most part they choose altered states and 'channeling' to show themselves and communicate.
It might be because they travel inter-dimensionally.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 13, 2013, 16:50:31
Yeah I noticed that...a small disturbance in the force... :lol:
I am interested mainly (at the moment) why - if Extraterrestrials are really here and flying around in ships, why they don't make more of an effort to be seen, and why for the most part they choose altered states and 'channeling' to show themselves and communicate.
Simply because Humanity as a whole, is not ready for it.
People that Channel and AP are ready. They have already opened their minds to the fact that we aren't the only "kids on the block". :wink:
That's a great video though Thank You for posting that Wi11iam.
Paul has been speaking about the ET presence here for years.
His background gives him quite a bit of respect in this field of study. He was privy to quite a bit of knowledge that's not found by most.
Yeah, who really knows. I have seen tons of testimony over the years by folks with quite lofty titles attached to their names, so I lean toward the idea that the U.S. government does know more than it lets on, although I am not sure of the extent.
So there are a few salient possiblities:
Firstly, maybe it is all made up, and people are jumping on a money train, although this seems less likely to me.
Maybe they are keeping it hush because of their own ideas of security, or maybe the public is ready to know afterall, and they are biding time.
I don't think alot of people who are rooting for disclosure (not going to lie, I would like to hear from the horse's mouth what is going on too) consider a fourth possibility though, that maybe the government knows just enough to be frightened in their boots of it all.
Consider that maybe they have recovered a few crafts and bodies... maybe even spoken with a few live ones... they know there are saucers out there, and they know they are piloted by little grey dudes... but they don't know ANYTHING else about them... they don't know where they are coming from... they don't know how they are managing to get here... they don't know what their possible agenda is and they are powerless to stop whatever it is they are doing. If you were privy to that kind of knowledge in a high post, would you really be eager to share it? Would you want to admit to people that there is a terrifyingly powerful race of beings out there (or even several), which we know precious little about, that they are doing whatever they want, and that you can't offer the public any protection from anything they might do? I think hearing that would strike fear into the common man's heart quite deeply.
I hate to spread fear, and I hope there are Vulcans up there ready to declare themselves and usher in a golden age... but then maybe things aren't so positive in that regard...
Quote from: Stillwater on May 13, 2013, 23:39:54
Consider that maybe they have recovered a few crafts and bodies... maybe even spoken with a few live ones... they know there are saucers out there, and they know they are piloted by little grey dudes... but they don't know ANYTHING else about them... they don't know where they are coming from... they don't know how they are managing to get here... they don't know what their possible agenda is and they are powerless to stop whatever it is they are doing. If you were privy to that kind of knowledge in a high post, would you really be eager to share it? Would you want to admit to people that there is a terrifyingly powerful race of beings out there (or even several), which we know precious little about, that they are doing whatever they want, and that you can't offer the public any protection from anything they might do? I think hearing that would strike fear into the common man's heart quite deeply.
...or consider this, there is no small disclosure. It's either full Disclosure or none at all. Full Disclosure means that they have been hiding, with full knowledge this secret from the general public for well over 60 years. In that case, how would people ever be able to trust a thing the Gov't says again!
Full Disclosure would mean we learn the good and if there is any bad or ugly about their presence.
Let's say we find a new totally free source of clean energy. That alone would cause the World economy to falter.
Indeed... and that seems like yet another incentive for those orchestrating a silence to keep it- they don't want to blow what remaining credibility they still have with some people.
I mean it really would be a bombshell announcement. It would be like telling your spouse you have 4 other children- you lose all credibility, things are never the same afterwards, and the announcement hangs in the air like an unshakeable fog that nothing can get rid of. You don't really feel in a hurry to let something like that out, because there will be consequences.
I am not saying I agree with them for possibly keeping something silent, but I understand human nature enough to see what could possibly motivate it all.
I agree that there is probably some energy tech being kept quiet too... there are dozens and dozens of inventors trying to file for patents related to energy devices and being told that their work follows too closely with classified materials and that they should thus desist. Whether it is related to a possible extraterrestrial coverup or not is anyone's guess, but regardless of that situation I am sure the government's hundreds of billions spent on black projects has yielded at least some fruit they don't want out. They want an ace in the hole they can play when they feel most pressed.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 14, 2013, 01:20:47
I agree that there is probably some energy tech being kept quiet too... there are dozens and dozens of inventors trying to file for patents related to energy devices and being told that their work follows too closely with classified materials and that they should thus desist. Whether it is related to a possible extraterrestrial coverup or not is anyone's guess, but regardless of that situation I am sure the government's hundreds of billions spent on black projects has yielded at least some fruit they don't want out. They want an ace in the hole they can play when they feel most pressed.
You read that too I see. I was shocked to learn how many patents were being turned away because of National Defense and Security.
But, I guess that makes sense. Some of these new plans being thought up are extremely dangerous.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 13, 2013, 16:50:31I am interested mainly (at the moment) why - if Extraterrestrials are really here and flying around in ships, why they don't make more of an effort to be seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SsF15wTWU4
Quote from: Volgerle on May 14, 2013, 03:20:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SsF15wTWU4
***** Another 5 Star post! :-D
This one is a more severe dilemma.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzUGf3WGB1Y
Hopefully they would intervene if it came to this! :-o
It's possible our governments who are aware of this could very well be looking out for the best interest of national security, and maybe even the global society. As has already been mentioned the introduction of free energy in today's society could very likely collapse the entire System. As it is at this present moment the global society is just not ready for a sudden major system tranformation or collapse. The main reason being is that the majority of society is still very much dominated by the ego and extremely bound by deeply embedded belief systems. While there would be many who would help each other and work together in the event of such a collapse, most would not. The combined actions of the mainstream would likely be catastrophic. It doesn't take much observation to recognize the current self-serving and self-destructive mindset of today's society. And I'm sure our governments are very aware of this. I'm not saying that's the case. It's just that it wouldn't surprise in the least if that is indeed the case.
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 14, 2013, 15:55:50
It's possible our governments who are aware of this could very well be looking out for the best interest of national security, and maybe even the global society. As has already been mentioned the introduction of free energy in today's society could very likely collapse the entire System. As it is at this present moment the global society is just not ready for a sudden major system tranformation or collapse. The main reason being is that the majority of society is still very much dominated by the ego and extremely bound by deeply embedded belief systems. While there would be many who would help each other and work together in the event of such a collapse, most would not. The combined actions of the mainstream would likely be catastrophic. It doesn't take much observation to recognize the current self-serving and self-destructive mindset of today's society. And I'm sure our governments are very aware of this. I'm not saying that's the case. It's just that it wouldn't surprise in the least if that is indeed the case.
I agree Forrest!
They are already training for the Zombie Apocalypse, whatever that is, as evident in this video. :-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zNUz9G-7bM
It could be what happens as the fall out of a Mega Solar Flare, that leaves people without their cell phones and internet for a year.
I'm sure that in itself would cause quite a few Zombies! :roll:
Quote from: Krishanna on May 13, 2013, 17:01:19
It might be because they travel inter-dimensionally.
The thing is, what does that mean? Are the 'ships' sometimes physical and sometimes non? When you AP you do not need a ship to travel in.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 13, 2013, 18:47:23
Simply because Humanity as a whole, is not ready for it.
People that Channel and AP are ready. They have already opened their minds to the fact that we aren't the only "kids on the block". :wink:
That's a great video though Thank You for posting that Wi11iam.
Paul has been speaking about the ET presence here for years.
His background gives him quite a bit of respect in this field of study. He was privy to quite a bit of knowledge that's not found by most.
There isnt much to study - to go on...the information is sparse and what there is of it suggests that there is a purposeful agenda to being mysterious.
This leads to individuals and groups to speculate, which because of the lack of concrete objective knowledge means that things are often humanized - worked out from only a human perspective which leaves lots of room for speculative misinformation.
Ready for what? There is a call for 'full disclosure' and this video speaks about cartels and conspiracies to keep the worlds populations in the dark. Even if these ones in power choose to disclose, it appears that they have the power in that keeping the info from the general public works to their advantage so it is unlikely they will disclose anything at all, or that there is nothing much to disclose.
One speculation is that ETs would know about the Powers who keep the info from the public and that the Powers would not choose to disclose, and are not being forced to disclose so the world politics continue the way they have always done, seemingly to the detriment of the greater population.
Another aspect of all this to consider is that there are at least three major types or specie of ETs and that there is enough channeled info around which suggests that these are not altogether working for the good of all - there seems to be major disagreement and enmity, especially in relation to the 'Zeta Reticuli' and their agenda in regard to Earth and Humanity - not to mention that the channeled information is also contradictory, depending on who is channeling...
Quote from: Stillwater on May 13, 2013, 23:39:54
Yeah, who really knows. I have seen tons of testimony over the years by folks with quite lofty titles attached to their names, so I lean toward the idea that the U.S. government does know more than it lets on, although I am not sure of the extent.
So there are a few salient possiblities:
Firstly, maybe it is all made up, and people are jumping on a money train, although this seems less likely to me.
Maybe they are keeping it hush because of their own ideas of security, or maybe the public is ready to know afterall, and they are biding time.
I don't think alot of people who are rooting for disclosure (not going to lie, I would like to hear from the horse's mouth what is going on too) consider a fourth possibility though, that maybe the government knows just enough to be frightened in their boots of it all.
Consider that maybe they have recovered a few crafts and bodies... maybe even spoken with a few live ones... they know there are saucers out there, and they know they are piloted by little grey dudes... but they don't know ANYTHING else about them... they don't know where they are coming from... they don't know how they are managing to get here... they don't know what their possible agenda is and they are powerless to stop whatever it is they are doing. If you were privy to that kind of knowledge in a high post, would you really be eager to share it? Would you want to admit to people that there is a terrifyingly powerful race of beings out there (or even several), which we know precious little about, that they are doing whatever they want, and that you can't offer the public any protection from anything they might do? I think hearing that would strike fear into the common man's heart quite deeply.
I hate to spread fear, and I hope there are Vulcans up there ready to declare themselves and usher in a golden age... but then maybe things aren't so positive in that regard...
Yes this is relevant speculation.
But if ETs can 'do what they want' why don't they just bypass the cartels and speak directly to the populations of the planet. Certainly the ability to do so is obviously here, via the airways.
Why - based on the info circulating - are they working with the Powers that be secretively?
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 14, 2013, 15:55:50
It's possible our governments who are aware of this could very well be looking out for the best interest of national security, and maybe even the global society. As has already been mentioned the introduction of free energy in today's society could very likely collapse the entire System. As it is at this present moment the global society is just not ready for a sudden major system tranformation or collapse. The main reason being is that the majority of society is still very much dominated by the ego and extremely bound by deeply embedded belief systems. While there would be many who would help each other and work together in the event of such a collapse, most would not. The combined actions of the mainstream would likely be catastrophic. It doesn't take much observation to recognize the current self-serving and self-destructive mindset of today's society. And I'm sure our governments are very aware of this. I'm not saying that's the case. It's just that it wouldn't surprise in the least if that is indeed the case.
Can you give an example of how free energy would collapse society? Wouldn't it be more likely to transform society?
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 14, 2013, 18:57:15
Ready for what?
Ready to have their entire reality and belief system crushed in one fatal blow.
We here speak about this topic, so we are privy to the knowledge.
There are millions of people out there that aren't.
I know people that are very strict Catholics and the moment anything about ET's is brought up, they immediately leave the room. They CAN'T and WON'T allow anything to alter their religious beliefs.
I know many others that belief 100% that we are the only ones anywhere. Once again, they would have their entire belief system and reality changed in one shot.
...and even other people would fear the unknown and want to attack it with whatever means are at their disposal.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 14, 2013, 19:09:29
Can you give an example of how free energy would collapse society? Wouldn't it be more likely to transform society?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, enough said! :roll:
Quote from: Volgerle on May 14, 2013, 03:20:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SsF15wTWU4
This is interesting.
My main thoughts while watching this video
Picard Debates the Prime Directive the PD itself is an interesting complexity. Should the gods intervene, or remain largely invisible and keep technological data (such as presumed 'Free Energy') secret?
What is being dealt with here is a population which is for the main part prepared for such 'intervention' in that we can deal with the concept.
Are we trying to force the gods to comply by demanding full disclosure?
What are we asking for? We can deliberate that ETs might likely not operate as they do in the Trek universe, but it still gives a good reason why disclosure might NOT be the most desirable choice, for reasons that have nothing to do with conspiracy.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 14, 2013, 19:16:33
Ready to have their entire reality and belief system crushed in one fatal blow.
We here speak about this topic, so we are privy to the knowledge.
There are millions of people out there that aren't.
I know people that are very strict Catholics and the moment anything about ET's is brought up, they immediately leave the room. They CAN'T and WON'T allow anything to alter their religious beliefs.
I know many others that belief 100% that we are the only ones anywhere. Once again, they would have their entire belief system and reality changed in one shot.
...and even other people would fear the unknown and want to attack it with whatever means are at their disposal.
Perhaps these valid reasons for NON disclosure are the actual reason why there is no disclosure.
This would mean that the conspiracies are simply sourced in human imagination rather than in anything actual. It explains why we are not being told - because most of us are not ready.
Where does this place you and I as individuals, in relation to the PD, and disclosure?
Do we support full disclosure, or do we observe that this is not a good idea right now and thus, what do we do about changing things so that sometime in the future it becomes the desirable alternative - perhaps a time when both the PTB and the ETs together at the same time fully disclose? Obviously the Prime Directive Debate as acted in that video has something to do with that initiative - to seed within our understanding concepts which push toward this agenda.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 14, 2013, 19:38:25
Where does this place you and I as individuals, in relation to the PD, and disclosure?
Disclosure is already occurring at a Consciousness level with people that are READY to handle the truth.
I put "ready" in large letters, because that's exactly what people need for it.
At the Consciousness level, it can't be blocked by any Human effort.
I'll let you know something else to Wi11aim, there are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more ET varieties out there than just the 3 you have listed. :wink:
Quote from: Lionheart on May 14, 2013, 19:17:33
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, enough said! :roll:
This is to say that money holds everything together for society and without it, we (society) would collapse.
Consider that free energy will benefit the majority, who also make up the numbers of those how have the least (ie 'the poor') we thus have a majority who could be most persuaded to allow the ripple effect of this free energy to unfold in positive ways - as the awareness of the potential for transformation grows. Here we would have a situation where there is no need for one individual (or group) to find ways to take advantage of others in their bid to survive and prosper - this would actually only be seen as a threat to those most successfully operating in this manner at present...the minority.
The majority would be most interested in how to build on the gift of free energy, that the gift is not repossessed.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 14, 2013, 19:44:10
Disclosure is already occurring at a Consciousness level with people that are READY to handle the truth.
I put "ready" in large letters, because that's exactly what people need for it.
At the Consciousness level, it can't be blocked by any Human effort.
I'll let you know something else to Wi11aim, there are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more ET varieties out there than just the 3 you have listed. :wink:
As I am asking guy, what determines when humans are 'ready'? It matters not how many ET varieties there are, unless in this fact they are all working for their own agendas and are no more advanced in their behaviors and accompanying political manipulations than humans are.
:wink:
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 14, 2013, 19:46:43
This is to say that money holds everything together for society and without it, we (society) would collapse.
Your an educated man Wi11iam, let me pose a question to you.
What happens when Wall Street collapses?
The answer will explain to you why Humanity is not ready for this yet! :wink:
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 14, 2013, 19:50:24
As I am asking guy, what determines when humans are 'ready'? It matters not how many ET varieties there are, unless in this fact they are all working for their own agendas and are no more advanced in their behaviors and accompanying political manipulations than humans are.
Very true, there are a number of civilizations at all different advanced levels. Some like us, some that are just starting and others that are millions of years ahead of us.
So yes, you likely have the good, the bad and the ugly, a melding pot of sorts!
But not all of them experience duality like we do.
We experience positive and negative emotions.
Some of the other races have no emotions and this is why they like to study Earth.
Some have transcended emotions, but emotions still intrigue them.
Like I said, there are many different varieties.
Look up into the night sky, every star you see is likely surrounded by Planets.
We say that many of them can't be habitable.
In our physical form, that's true, but who says they use our biological forms! :wink:
Quote from: Lionheart on May 14, 2013, 20:04:46
Very true, there are a number of civilizations at all different advanced levels. Some like us, some that are just starting and others that are millions of years ahead of us.
So yes, you likely have the good, the bad and the ugly, a melding pot of sorts!
But not all of them experience duality like we do.
We experience positive and negative emotions.
Some of the other races have no emotions and this is why they like to study Earth.
Some have transcended emotions, but emotions still intrigue them.
Like I said, there are many different varieties.
Look up into the night sky, every star you see is likely surrounded by Planets.
We say that many of them can't be habitable.
In our physical form, that's true, but who says they use our biological forms! :wink:
Who can say?
Speculation is of no particular use. It appears that disclosure is detrimental due to the known variables. ETs are of no significant use to the human situation, and pursuing and supporting a move to full disclosure is of no value, even to those who are ready to handle the truth...there simply is no way to be 'ready' due to the speculation. No one, even those who are experienced with ET, are truly ready apart from perhaps in their own subjective experience an personal opinions.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 14, 2013, 19:52:08
Your an educated man Wi11iam, let me pose a question to you.
What happens when Wall Street collapses?
The answer will explain to you why Humanity is not ready for this yet! :wink:
The rich suffer lose. The poor remain poor. The world turns and nature carries on as if money has nothing to do with anything. :wink: In regard to 'free energy' a collapse of Wall Street will hardly be noticed - Wall Street will become null and void - unnecessary. I am not so sure that humanity is 'not ready' but appreciate those who are the middle-persons who most profit from the stock marketing are certainly not prepared, but these hardly count as the voice of humanity - they are rather the minority who happen to be in positions where they can ignore what the majority want in support of their own agenda.
:wink:
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 14, 2013, 20:31:03
The rich suffer lose. The poor remain poor. The world turns and nature carries on as if money has nothing to do with anything. :wink: In regard to 'free energy' a collapse of Wall Street will hardly be noticed - Wall Street will become null and void - unnecessary. I am not so sure that humanity is 'not ready' but appreciate those who are the middle-persons who most profit from the stock marketing are certainly not prepared, but these hardly count as the voice of humanity - they are rather the minority who happen to be in positions where they can ignore what the majority want in support of their own agenda.
:wink:
Ok, I guess I posed this question the wrong way. What would happen to the United States, Russia, China and the European Union that rely 100% on the stock market.
Back when the Stock market had a minor glitch it caused the World powers to give in to any and all demands of the Banking systems. They knew that if the Banks fell, everything else did soon afterwards.
True that's not the entire "voice of Humanity", but it's a voice that controls everything right now as it currently is. It gives structure to the World and love it or hate it, it's needed.
QuoteYes this is relevant speculation.
But if ETs can 'do what they want' why don't they just bypass the cartels and speak directly to the populations of the planet. Certainly the ability to do so is obviously here, via the airways.
Why - based on the info circulating - are they working with the Powers that be secretively?
It may be a bit confusing the way I worded it, but I am describing a set of 4 distinct possiblities, each with their own peculiar circumstances.
In the fourth possibility I listed, the visitors don't have any interest in speaking with anyone, they just want to do what they are doing; in this possibility, the governments and world powers are the ones who hold the knowledge of it because they were the ones who had the power to locate and take control of all the possible crash sites, and they are the owners of most of the reliable tracking instruments.
Because you mention it, I suppose we can entertain a fifth possibility: the visitors are real, and they have an agenda very much their own, and they don't want any noisy resistance; they tell world governemnts (because they are the ones capable of mounting the biggest and noisiest resistance, of course) that if they keep things quiet, and don't load up the cavalry, they will not destroy our society outright, but just do whatever it is they do. Essentially they are speaking to the governments because they are seen as the adults in the room, since they hold most of the power, and telling them if you do as we say, no one has to get hurt much. If the government came out and said there are alien overlords out there doing as they please, in this situation the population would be much rowdier with regards to the visitors, and that is not what they are looking for.
But again, as you state importantly, this is all speculation. I am mainly trying to reason out what likely scenarios would look like.
QuoteCan you give an example of how free energy would collapse society? Wouldn't it be more likely to transform society?
I think it would do both, in different timeframes.
In the short term, the mere knowledge that the balance of power has now shifted would be pretty devasting to stability I think; suddenly, very poor and powerless countries have the means to rise up to the level of what may have been their past oppressors; when you take energy costs out of the equation, suddenly there are many more viable contenders on the stage, and all of them want different things. Twenty different types of interest groups all now have the power to fight for their causes in earnest. In the space of about 10 years after the tech came out, the world is shaken by war. Most wars in the past were fought over resources, but not all. Now that resources are taken care of, there are only ideologies left. You have the capitalist side, the socialist side, the zealous crusaders for an Islamic world government, or a Catholic one, or any other of a score of -ism's. I think eventually we would grow out of that in 50 more years or so, and maybe even end up with a utopian Star Trek society as a result of the new energy tech, but things get ugly before that i think.
If I were part of a group with knowledge of workable new energy tech, I might be motivated to let it out piece by piece, to soften the blow. I would want to release versions of the current tech, but far inferior, to let things catch up at their own pace. Sure, people are dying as a result of want and oppression... but let's not kill off 2/3 of everyone in a massaive slugfest by doing the equivalent of giving an arguably medieval society atomic weapons.
I want to see humanity gloriously uplifted from pettyness by technology, but that can't happen in 4 minutes... it will be a slow and painful process, like most things humans do. It isn't so much our tech that is wanting... we are selves lacking alot too. If we wanted, we have the tech now to care of everyone several times over. I think if you want to think about what new energy will do for the world, maybe an important question to lead off is why don't we have peace and stability now, if we already have enough...
Does anyone have an idea how free energy would work?
Will huge power stations be built and then tied into the grid? This would make us only have to pay for the maintenance of the structure and not for the energy itself.
Or will we have to buy single units and run individual homes and businesses off of it?
For decades, the US and most major powers rode cheap hydrocarbon energy to the top. Whether or not it is depleting, doesn't matter. What matters is that they are telling us it is and we must therefor spend more of our income on it. Now that countries like China and India have developed an industrial infrastructure based on HCE, the oil cartel has now suddenly claimed that the supplies are running out while the rest of the world says the emissions are also killing our planet. In other words, if you want to use this rapidly depleting and earth killing energy, it will cost big bucks.
Don't forget that HCE producers are not the only one who stand to lose big on free energy. All the so called green energy people will not like us to have a perpetual energy source now that they are investing their own big bucks.
I really like how cap and trade has finally made it possible for our gov to tax the air we breathe. Air was the last essential that wasn't exploited for taxes.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 14, 2013, 19:09:29
Can you give an example of how free energy would collapse society? Wouldn't it be more likely to transform society?
I tell you what, let me rephrase that as that is probably not exactly the way I intended to word it. Free energy itself cannot collapse a society. Whether a society collapses or transforms is dependent entirely upon the collective consciousness of society itself. But with that said I still do not feel that the current mindset of society is ready or is capable of handling a sudden transition from oil to free energy. I could be incorrect, but based on the observations of the behavior of the mainstream society, I just don't see how we could handle it. Sure free energy could provide major benefits of the likes our world has never seen, but getting there can be quite the challenge. We either have to go through a sudden shift in consciousness or it would have to be trickled in very slowly over a long period of time.
If free energy was suddenly introduced into the global society and was easily accessible by all, it would most likely put untold numbers of corporations out of business due to our overwhelming dependence upon oil that is used in practically all aspects of our lives.
Look at the grocery stores and farms for example. Grocery stores depend heavily upon oil for transporting goods. Farmers depend heavily upon oil to maintain the crops and meet the quota needed to feed the population. If the oil companies go out of business then farms and grocery stores would most likely be one of the first to go out of business. There seems to be a common agreement that when the grocery stores shutdown that there is only about 3 days of food until it has all been looted. At this point all we will have is each other with a very important choice - work together or survival of the fitest. Given the current mindset of today's society, what do you think would be the most likely choice among the majority of the mainstream? You only have to watch youtube videos of "Black Friday" to get a small hint. Yes there are many people throughout society who have a desire to work with and help others, and would do so in times of stress, but it would appear that there still isn't the critical mass necessary to tip the scales from a more unpleasant situation to a more pleasant situation.
But who knows, I could be judging society incorrectly. Maybe society could surprise me and actually begin working together with each other in harmony with nature, the planet, and all life if our way of life suddenly came to a screaching halt or major sudden transformation. Trying to predict the path of the collective consciousness is like trying to predict the path of a very large flock of birds or a large school of fish.
Some pertinent observations are coming through in this discussion.
Keeping in mind the ET/full disclosure, we could surmise based on just our combined observations here in this thread that it would not be a great idea.
From what I am reading here, the world population is 'not ready' and nor is the infrastructure able to cope with such information being released, either in regard to ETs or some kind of free energy device.
It would have to be presumed that the free energy would be sourced from nature, either through water, wind or sun and that it would be electric.
In both cases, the population would have to be educated and that a plan on how to get from A-Z would need to be created and disclosed by degree, with and 'end game' clearly revealed and that no one, regardless of their present social status or belief systems will be disadvantaged.
It might mean that the countries presently in the best positions would be the first to benefit from the transformation and that the fruits of their cooperation in that transformation would have a flow on effect to the rest of the world.
With free energy, the need for oil would dissipate which would mean that countries which rely so heavily upon it would be less inclined to become involved in warfare with those countries who presently have the bulk of oil reserves.
The most pressing problem might be in transforming machinery which runs on oil into that which runs on electricity but with first world minds focused on the problem in a collective manner, it would only be a matter of time until it is no problem at all.
I think one of the greatest hurdles would be how to reverse the damage already done in relation to ETs - most religious orgs - especially the more radical would resist ET presence as being 'of the devil' 'fallen angels' etc...and would be another reason why they may remain hidden.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 14, 2013, 20:57:30
Ok, I guess I posed this question the wrong way. What would happen to the United States, Russia, China and the European Union that rely 100% on the stock market.
Back when the Stock market had a minor glitch it caused the World powers to give in to any and all demands of the Banking systems. They knew that if the Banks fell, everything else did soon afterwards.
True that's not the entire "voice of Humanity", but it's a voice that controls everything right now as it currently is. It gives structure to the World and love it or hate it, it's needed.
Truly this has been made a necessity, but not a natural one. Natural necessity is recognized not through a banking system, a religion, or a political/patriotic agenda.
The concepts brought forth in the Treky universe recognize the true necessity has nothing to do with these things we have been educated over the centuries to believe in as being necessary.
While the Treky universe is a fictitious creation of human beings, it is nonetheless quite logical and thus possible as an operational reality. While the energy used to operate the Federation still requires human effort and even on occasion individual sacrifice, no one is disadvantaged, no tribe is displaced, no living planet ravaged, and there are no elite overlords or countries etc...
In every sense, the individual provides freely of their life energy in exchange for nothing less than a very good lifestyle and this is achieved through a collective understanding of the logic the philosophy is built upon and a combined effort of all involved.
In terms of our present system(s) the reality is that this kind of thing can be achieved through very little tweaking of those present systems. bankers/wall street are not only unnecessary but also represent one major WALL to being able to tweak and adjust, and might (or do?) invest heavily in propaganda/education which promotes the 'necessity' of that agenda whilst disparaging 'Utopian' (but logical) alternatives as 'crazy/dreamer/unrealistic' philosophies.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 15, 2013, 03:53:16
bankers/wall street are not only unnecessary but also represent one major WALL to being able to tweak and adjust, and might (or do?) invest heavily in propaganda/education which promotes the 'necessity' of that agenda whilst disparaging 'Utopian' (but logical) alternatives as 'crazy/dreamer/unrealistic' philosophies.
Yep, I agree with that. It's just part of the System at work to ensure it's survival. The global System itself is extremely well adapted, and has highly efficient self defense mechanisms on many levels. It is quite literally a living, breathing, conscious individual formed from the global collective. If we are unhappy with the current System or have grown tired of it or see no further use for it, then we must change ourself at an individual level. That is truly the only way.
As it is today the majority of individuals throughout society still view themself as insignificant, helpless, and powerless, relying completely upon the System to sustain them. It's why we continue to protest in the streets against our institutions, because we still feel they have all the power and therefore we feel they are responsible for fixing our so called "problems". But yeah, without going into an extremely long detail, the System is extremely efficient and proficient.
But again that can easily be changed. We just quite simply have to change our Self. :wink:
The End of Queen Maab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxiLUEgN6vQ)
Maybe the extraterrestrials are very aware of how our System works. Maybe that is why they have been very gradually making their presence known, if at all. And if they are increasing their presence, then maybe due to their understanding of how our System works they could possibly realize we are approaching a major transformation towards world peace and harmony, regardless of how utopian that is currently perceived. But that is just an assumption, and just entertaining possibilities. 8-)
The Evolution of the Butterfly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcacx_i6MIE)
QuoteBut again that can easily be changed. We just quite simply have to change our Self.
The End of Queen Maab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsRQSazjl4U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsRQSazjl4U)
The problem really is the one's preventing the Disclosure have more finances and resources, then the ones wishing it.
This is painfully evident from the "whimper" that has been broadcasted about the recent Congressional Disclosure in Washington.
As long as people that report cases keep getting accused of being lunatics and the such, we won't be seeing any progress.
Almost every report I have seen on the Nightly news ends up with the Anchor and their cohorts either smirking or putting in a final unneeded comment.
At the recent Disclosure meeting, they had credible witnesses and still they get balked and mocked.
Here is a video interview showing exactly that point on Larry King Live. They brought in Bill Nye the Science Guy and the SETI program director. SETI, otherwise known as Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence or in the field of Ufologists is known as Silly Effort To Investigate, a term Stan Friedman dubbed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sby-c9CTVk
Well yes - the introduction of Queen Mab into this thread might be very appropriate.
It is most likely that stories of fairies, Green Man, Peter Pan, Narnia, Pan, the Fey, etc all derive from individual experience with APing and alter-realities and ETs and UFOs (seen as fast moving lights in the night sky) are the modern day adaptations.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 15, 2013, 17:05:29
The problem really is the one's preventing the Disclosure have more finances and resources, then the ones wishing it.
This is painfully evident from the "whimper" that has been broadcasted about the recent Congressional Disclosure in Washington.
As long as people that report cases keep getting accused of being lunatics and the such, we won't be seeing any progress.
Almost every report I have seen on the Nightly news ends up with the Anchor and their cohorts either smirking or putting in a final unneeded comment.
At the recent Disclosure meeting, they had credible witnesses and still they get balked and mocked.
Here is a video interview showing exactly that point on Larry King Live. They brought in Bill Nye the Science Guy and the SETI program director. SETI, otherwise known as Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence or in the field of Ufologists is known as Silly Effort To Investigate, a term Stan Friedman dubbed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sby-c9CTVk
There may be nothing to disclose or it may be that those with the money are preventing disclosure, but we have already covered these possibilities in this thread and the general consensus appears to be that full disclosure is not going to achieve anything very positive.
As to news media, they really only represent the thinking of their followers and snide remarks and sniggers are standard practice of such followers as they are - as you said - not READY.
:wink:
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 15, 2013, 09:37:45
Yep, I agree with that. It's just part of the System at work to ensure it's survival. The global System itself is extremely well adapted, and has highly efficient self defense mechanisms on many levels. It is quite literally a living, breathing, conscious individual formed from the global collective. If we are unhappy with the current System or have grown tired of it or see no further use for it, then we must change ourself at an individual level. That is truly the only way.
As it is today the majority of individuals throughout society still view themself as insignificant, helpless, and powerless, relying completely upon the System to sustain them. It's why we continue to protest in the streets against our institutions, because we still feel they have all the power and therefore we feel they are responsible for fixing our so called "problems". But yeah, without going into an extremely long detail, the System is extremely efficient and proficient.
But again that can easily be changed. We just quite simply have to change our Self. :wink:
The End of Queen Maab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxiLUEgN6vQ)
Maybe the extraterrestrials are very aware of how our System works. Maybe that is why they have been very gradually making their presence known, if at all. And if they are increasing their presence, then maybe due to their understanding of how our System works they could possibly realize we are approaching a major transformation towards world peace and harmony, regardless of how utopian that is currently perceived. But that is just an assumption, and just entertaining possibilities. 8-)
The Evolution of the Butterfly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcacx_i6MIE)
What is of interest to me in the right now is the communications process. I think that ET does not communicate with humanity as a specie because we don't communicate well even among ourselves, and this means we effectively cannot be communicated with very easily even on an individual level.
Entertaining possibilities is acceptable and advisable as an alternative to being indifferent. Indifference would be the main reason why individuals are not being contacted by ET. If we don't want to know, we won't be informed.
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I'm just curious Wi11iam, have you ever questioned just who it might be that you are talking to via your "Magical Glass Mirror"?
Possible "Deathbed Confession" or just another disinformation attempt. You decide!
http://vimeo.com/64939351
He has nothing to lose, but the World has everything to gain!
Yes, it does make you wonder.
I mean some of those old guys are unfortunately liars... but all of them?
It sure doesn't seem like a game to him.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 15, 2013, 22:36:42
I'm just curious Wi11iam, have you ever questioned just who it might be that you are talking to via your "Magical Glass Mirror"?
There is nothing 'magical' about it guy. It is just a communications device. Questions are a natural part of communication.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 16, 2013, 00:50:32
Possible "Deathbed Confession" or just another disinformation attempt. You decide!
http://vimeo.com/64939351
He has nothing to lose, but the World has everything to gain!
I am not sure why you think the world has everything to gain - the interview isn't giving any particular type of information which hasn't been in the public domain before.
Regurgitation at best.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 16, 2013, 03:05:33
There is nothing 'magical' about it guy. It is just a communications device. Questions are a natural part of communication.
Communication with who?
If I wanted to ask questions like you constantly do, I would be asking where is your subjective or objective proof that you are communicating with anyone else besides yourself?
Questions are a natural part of communication, true, but who is answering those questions for you? Your mirror or is it your own Consciousness or perhaps "others".
You can't answer this, but you question everything we say so much. this just baffles me! :?
There is a star for every grain of sand on all the beaches in the World. This has been stated many times over by Scientists and Astronomers and yet you still question if there is anyone else out there. Each one of those stars is surrounded by Planets.
"They" don't have to have the same biological makeup as ours. This is just human thinking. We are all there is ever going to be. :roll:
You even said we should be preserving the future, instead of preserving the past, in another thread made here on Pyramid destruction. We still have no idea what the Pyramids were built for and what their uses could be. We haven't delved deep enough into the mystery yet. There is valuable information to still be found in them. But, in many areas Archeologists are being blocked from digging deeper.
Since you are a Science mind guy, go do some research on the Golden Section Pyramids in Russia and all the highly credible and proven tests they are doing on Pyramids in general. They have even built a 144 ft Pyramid a couple of miles away from Moscow. Just one of the over 150 Pyramids they have built since the 80's.
On the Deathbed Interview, so you knew that President Eisenhower was going to send the 1st Brigade Army from Colorado into invade Area 51 if they didn't open up their doors to him. That's the first thing I heard about this. People always say that nobody credible has said anything, well here is a man that is on video, giving his confession.
The World has everything to gain by the truth being told. Once again you misunderstood. :roll:
You have a bad habit of doing that. :wink:
This statement was not meant that we had everything to gain from just his confession. It meant from the truth finally coming out in general.
Steady on guy!
Most of your personal allegations against me in the above post are misleading! They show a distinct inability to comprehend collective consciousness and your continued inability to focus on the message and desire to make the messenger out to be some kind of bad person.
This is not the first time you have done this, but it does spotlight that probable reason I gave a few posts back as to why ET does not disclose themselves to humanity - we can barely communicate honestly and maturely among ourselves!
There is nothing magical about the particular communication device - any more than there is about the internet being used as a communications device, or even a telephone. Questions are a natural part of communication.
I have more to say re your personal assertions...later.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 16, 2013, 13:21:42
There is nothing magical about the particular communication device - any more than there is about the internet being used as a communications device, or even a telephone. Questions are a natural part of communication.
the interview isn't giving any particular type of information which hasn't been in the public domain before.
Regurgitation at best.
Before he agreed to do this video, his information in his own words was NEVER released in the Public Domain.
Oh my, are you comparing the internet to a Ouija Board? You know who is at the other end of the internet. Usually that is! :-)
There's no need to comment on my post, I can see I will never really get through to you.
For now on I shall stay "mute" where you are concerned.
Thank You! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on May 16, 2013, 00:50:32
Possible "Deathbed Confession" or just another disinformation attempt. You decide!
http://vimeo.com/64939351
He has nothing to lose, but the World has everything to gain!
For some reason, I can't watch anything from that website. Can you give me a rundown of what he says?
I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 16, 2013, 14:30:20
Before he agreed to do this video, his information in his own words was NEVER released in the Public Domain.
Oh my, are you comparing the internet to a Ouija Board? You know who is at the other end of the internet. Usually that is! :-)
There's no need to comment on my post, I can see I will never really get through to you.
For now on I shall stay "mute" where you are concerned.
Thank You! :-)
He has personally never released
his information to the public domain. There is nothing in what he spoke of that I have not heard before in the public domain over the years - there is no new information and the usual lack of evidence to support the information is conspicuous in its absence. As was remarked, could be true, could be not.
The internet is comparable to my own use of Ouija on many levels - very obviously so. I think you intuit this on a deeper level but cannot bring yourself to comprehend that significance. One of the most obvious comparisons has to do with relative anonymity - we can as we choose hide behind personas and sound off spiritually (for example) but any hidden content of
any communication can still be uncovered logically and rationally and it is easy enough to 'get to the bottom of things' if one is persistent and has the opportunity to do so, and pursues honest and open communication as the preferred (and hopefully mutual) expression.
Often when people complain in the way you have done here, it is because they think they are being exposed rather than that their message is found to have gaping holes in it which need to be honestly questioned and it is this honest questioning that is distasteful to their senses. This is because they believe in what they are expressing so that the message IS them, which it is not really, not in reality - but because of this perception and misconception they think they are being questioned when it is the message which is being questioned, because they cannot separate themselves from the message and so respond by ignoring the message which exposes the holes in their own message and making personal comments about the messenger, which either shuts the messenger up or, in my case, gives me an opportunity to clarify - I am not against YOU (or the 'we' you allude to be representing - btw if any of these 'we' are reading this, please step forward and speak for your selves) I am FOR honesty, sincerity, truthfulness and pulling aside the veils of mystical subjectivity for the sake of the collective objectivity.
In my communications with ET, this was one of the fundamental things they worked with me on - pulling away my own belief systems by questioning them through showing me the holes/inconsistencies in them. I know it is hard at first but it is well worth it. Many times in the early days I got snotty with them, much as you are doing with me. I even pronounced them 'bad' and refused at times to speak with them, but they knew me well enough that I would come around as I just needed the time to absorb the data and was just reacting knee jerk and immaturely but in my heart I wanted to be truthful to myself and those whose paths cross with mine, and once I fully accepted the truth of their observations and realized the uncomfortable feelings being brought to the surface had to do with my own belief systems being shown to be faulty and that those feelings belonged to me and could be sourced within my own psyche - buttons being pushed meant that I had things to deal with and those helping to show me this were not my enemy - they were just not interested in molly coddling me or reinforcing said beliefs by playing along with them - of necessity they tolerated these beliefs through understanding, but they are not interested in pursuing communication forever on those terms because it is of no value in the long term to anyone.
You see - there is no 'Prime Directive' which prevents ET from communicating with anyone as if to do so is to interfere with the individual creating some unperceived and irrevocable damage. All that is required is an honest and humble intent and an openness to learn and willingness to discard belief systems which do not promote unification and truthful communication. It is really that simple.
All I ask is that in your time of 'muteness' where I am concerned you consider my words here and keep an open mind and see that I am not an enemy....but rather a potential friend.
Thank You! :)
Quote from: its_all_bad on May 16, 2013, 16:42:06
For some reason, I can't watch anything from that website. Can you give me a rundown of what he says?
I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Off the top of my head:
He says he was a simple farmer who enlisted and was eventually recruited by CIA, was privy to the blue book project, that it was all way over his head but he was encouraged to persist.
At one point he and his superior visited the President (General Eisenhower) who wanted to know what was going on in area 51 and was told that it was none of his business so the President gave them a message for those controlling area 51 that they had better deliver the goods or he would order an armed invasion of the area 51 and sent them on their way.
He then maintains that when they went to deliver the message to their superiors that he was given access to sighting actual living ETs of the 'Greys' variety and to alien space craft - both wreaked and in good order - as well as secret aircraft being created by American interests for spying.
They returned to see the President (not this time at the White House) and that Hoover and Nixon were both present at that meeting and he and his superior gave them the information he had been allowed to see.
That is off the top of my head - might have some of the details wrong (or not) but dont really want to view the vid again. Hope it helps.
Wow Will. :-o What's going on over there in the land down under? :?
When you say this:
QuoteI am not against YOU (or the 'we' you allude to be representing - btw if any of these 'we' are reading this, please step forward and speak for your selves) I am FOR honesty, sincerity, truthfulness and pulling aside the veils of mystical subjectivity for the sake of the collective objectivity.
Are you referring to this from Lionheart:
QuoteYou even said we should be preserving the future, instead of preserving the past, in another thread made here on Pyramid destruction. We still have no idea what the Pyramids were built for and what their uses could be. We haven't delved deep enough into the mystery yet. There is valuable information to still be found in them. But, in many areas Archeologists are being blocked from digging deeper.
That's the only thing that Lionheart wrote where he mentioned the word "we". That being true, it may seem as if I am just trolling by asking if that is the "we" you are referring to but that's what makes the tangent you went off on so...well, it's a little disturbing. I'm concerned about your well being Will. It is completely obvious to me that the "we" that Lionheart referenced is mankind in general and in total. Yet you took it to mean that Lionheart is speaking for some sort of secret or underground group of members here on the pulse. :?
That is a gross misunderstanding. So much so that a court would find you negligent since you just got through making these statements (I feel obligated to put a disclaimer here and say that there is no actual court):
QuoteThey [Lionheart's accusations against you] show a distinct inability to comprehend collective consciousness...
as well as
Quotewe can barely communicate honestly and maturely among ourselves!
I know that you can't see it from your position but you are the one that actually lacks the ability to understand or relate to people. I'm not saying this to be rude.
I like to reply to your comments William, but you make it hard to sometimes. You misconstrue so many statements. Statements that are often times just off the cusp or said jokingly but had no real purpose other than attempts of humor. I always feel like I need to triple clarify some of my replies just to make sure that there is no possible way you can misunderstand my meaning and/or intent.
The radical conclusions that you often arrive to make me think that you are slight paranoid, grew up in extreme isolation from peers, or that you may have a mild form of autism. I am not saying that to be funny or to imply that there is anything wrong with that but it would help me to understand you a little more. :-)
I feel as if I need to say that I am not speaking for Lionheart. I say this because he is most likely not gonna respond and I don't want you to say that I am. It almost feels like junior high all over again but without all the fun. :lol:
BTW. Thanks for the synopsis on the video. That was very helpful.
Your friend,
Simon.
It would be so much easier to speak to you William through your Ouija board communication device. :wink:
I find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.
Simon
There was reference was in that post which you refer to but the post has been modified and the reference is no longer there. My bad since I should have quoted.
It is far better to speak for yourself than for each other.
I will re-post what I said which is pertinent to communication - on topic and applicable to all of us.
We can as we choose hide behind personas and sound off spiritually (for example) but any hidden content of any communication can still be uncovered logically and rationally and it is easy enough to 'get to the bottom of things' if one is persistent and has the opportunity to do so, and pursues honest and open communication as the preferred (and hopefully mutual) expression.
Often when people complain in the way you have done here, it is because they think they are being exposed rather than that their message is found to have gaping holes in it which need to be honestly questioned and it is this honest questioning that is distasteful to their senses. This is because they believe in what they are expressing so that the message IS them, which it is not really, not in reality - but because of this perception and misconception they think they are being questioned when it is the message which is being questioned, because they cannot separate themselves from the message and so respond by ignoring the message which exposes the holes in their own message and making personal comments about the messenger, which either shuts the messenger up or, in my case, gives me an opportunity to clarify - I am not against YOU (or the 'we' you allude to be representing - btw if any of these 'we' are reading this, please step forward and speak for your selves) I am FOR honesty, sincerity, truthfulness and pulling aside the veils of mystical subjectivity for the sake of the collective objectivity.
[note: Personal comments such as referring to the nature of someones state of mental health, and alluding to possible reasons for their perceived mannerism which ignores what they are clearly saying in preference to some made up theory which suits the agenda of the 'court jury' - not honest, sincere, truthful or particularly useful other than to steer the focus of the thread away from having to adress the hard questions.]
In my communications with ET, this was one of the fundamental things they worked with me on - pulling away my own belief systems by questioning them through showing me the holes/inconsistencies in them. I know it is hard at first but it is well worth it. Many times in the early days I got snotty with them, much as you are doing with me. I even pronounced them 'bad' and refused at times to speak with them, but they knew me well enough that I would come around as I just needed the time to absorb the data and was just reacting knee jerk and immaturely but in my heart I wanted to be truthful to myself and those whose paths cross with mine, and once I fully accepted the truth of their observations and realized the uncomfortable feelings being brought to the surface had to do with my own belief systems being shown to be faulty and that those feelings belonged to me and could be sourced within my own psyche - buttons being pushed meant that I had things to deal with and those helping to show me this were not my enemy - they were just not interested in molly coddling me or reinforcing said beliefs by playing along with them - of necessity they tolerated these beliefs through understanding, but they are not interested in pursuing communication forever on those terms because it is of no value in the long term to anyone.
You see - there is no 'Prime Directive' which prevents ET from communicating with anyone as if to do so is to interfere with the individual creating some unperceived and irrevocable damage. All that is required is an honest and humble intent and an openness to learn and willingness to discard belief systems which do not promote unification and truthful communication. It is really that simple.
All I ask is that in your time of 'muteness' where I am concerned you consider my words here and keep an open mind and see that I am not an enemy....but rather a potential friend.
Thank You!
[and you and you...] :)
In regard to 'new information' that General Eisenhower threatened to invade area 51 - while it might be a first, it is not world shaking and does not really address or add to the topic of why ET chooses/or is forced to remain undisclosed, apart from adding weight to the argument that human beings are not communicating and thus working together effectively and honestly and this is possibly a major contributing factor to why ET remains undisclosed.
Who was it that posted in this thread 'WE ARE NOT READY'?
:wink:
Quote from: Bedeekin on May 17, 2013, 12:53:51
It would be so much easier to speak to you William through your Ouija board communication device. :wink:
I find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.
It would be interesting if you could elaborate on your anthropomorphic comment and why this amuses you Ben.
QuoteI find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.
We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves... at best be are making a long series of first guesses, lol.
I think to assume governments are in on this is only natural, because it is the only narritive that has been given to us that includes extraterrestrials. I mean yes you also have the touchy-feely channeled stuff, but with that stuff you need to take it on faith that you are being dictated to by aliens. The direct testimony of people who claim to have had experiences with them on earth are the only ones subject to possible future corroberation in the short term.
Now either we have visitors coming, or we don't. If we don't, everyone who has spoken up is a liar (which may be true, but makes alot of liars); if we do have visitors, then everything we have heard about them comes from witnesses such as discussed in this thread, and literally every one of them bar a small few mentions governments in connection to them, so it is sort of a starting point; if you believe any of the witnesses may not be liars, then governments are almost without fail involved somewhere.
To me paranoia would be taking neutral information and extracting a negative or dangerous connotation to it; but in the case of these testimonies, it isn't the viewer that is suggesting the government is hiding something, they are being told that by every speaker, so the information is not neutral to start with on that issue. So that must mean the whole disclosure and testimony movement itself is a movement of paranoia if anything about it is. But then if every source is discredited as a paranoid one, then how does a person figure out what is going on at all? If you want any data to evaluate at all, it is really your only option.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 17, 2013, 17:31:20
We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves... at best be are making a long series of first guesses, lol.
I think to assume governments are in on this is only natural, because it is the only narritive that has been given to us that includes extraterrestrials. I mean yes you also have the touchy-feely channeled stuff, but with that stuff you need to take it on faith that you are being dictated to by aliens. The direct testimony of people who claim to have had experiences with them on earth are the only ones subject to possible future corroberation in the short term.
Now either we have visitors coming, or we don't. If we don't, everyone who has spoken up is a liar (which may be true, but makes alot of liars); if we do have visitors, then everything we have heard about them comes from witnesses such as discussed in this thread, and literally every one of them bar a small few mentions governments in connection to them, so it is sort of a starting point; if you believe any of the witnesses may not be liars, then governments are almost without fail involved somewhere.
To me paranoia would be taking neutral information and extracting a negative or dangerous connotation to it; but in the case of these testimonies, it isn't the viewer that is suggesting the government is hiding something, they are being told that by every speaker, so the information is not neutral to start with on that issue. So that must mean the whole disclosure and testimony movement itself is a movement of paranoia if anything about it is. But then if every source is discredited as a paranoid one, then how does a person figure out what is going on at all? If you want any data to evaluate at all, it is really your only option.
You are correct I agree.
Where did the thought about ETs originate? Where did the imagery come from which give us examples which distinguish the three main ET types which Paul Hellyer speaks about in the video posted at the start this topic?
We cannot automatically assume that the secretive nature of Governments are the result of sinister agenda.
We cannot seriously take any-ones testimony (including channeling) to be representative of truthfulness and as such ETs are more in the realm of the fringe subjects, such as AP, Occult, Religion, Spirituality, Alternate universe etc... science fiction.
They are not speaking for themselves and even governments are not speaking for them. There is also the aspect of being motivated to believe based on assumption that a higher advanced space faring civilization would be in a position to 'save us from ourselves', or from our governing oppressors.
Even taking what information is available, the picture seems to be that the differing types of ET are not all working together and follow their own cosmological philosophies which clash with the others, and it is possible that information on one type is misinformation from another type.
There is some evidence that the Zeta Reticuli (greys) have had interaction with some cultures - I am thinking specifically the Maoris - and such interaction can be seen in the stories and artwork of many cultures but ... I am reminded of Whitley Strieber...what might appear to the one experiencing 'abduction' is reminiscent of AP stories and is the most likely source where the concept of ET originates.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 17, 2013, 17:31:20
We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves...
If I am told anything about someone BY that someone I would take them at their word until such a time as it became necessary not to.
I have communed with individuals through Ouija who said they are ET and even identified which particular specie they were (Zeta Reticuli). What information I got from this type of communication was revealing, helpful and worth the effort.
From the information communicated, they are and have been involved quite intimately with us as a specie for a long time on both the collective consciousness level and at individual level and that while they are extremely more advanced they are still themselves learning and this is part of the reason why they persist.
They also have a sense of humor.
I have only seen one type of Zeta Reticuli and that was a good 25 or so years ago. It is my assumption that this being was Zeta due to its large dark eyes and grey hued skin, but it definitely was not the popular stereotype which media often portrays... you know, this one...
(http://www.crystalinks.com/grayeyes2.jpg)
Due to this encounter (which happened while in hypnagogic state) when developing the communication techniques of Ouija many years later I eventually asked about the experience I had had, and also if it were possible to commune with the Zeta over the Ouija - and the affirmation was that I certainly could, so I did.
I have never seen a flying craft of unknown origin, but have seen unexplainable lights in the sky at night - I cannot immediately assume that these lights are from flying craft of any sort although the circumstances surrounding this particular event allow me to see something of a message being communicated, and a kind of shared humor.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 17, 2013, 16:47:32You see - there is no 'Prime Directive' which prevents ET from communicating with anyone as if to do so is to interfere with the individual creating some unperceived and irrevocable damage.
Yes and no. If they have a prime directive like in Star Trek it would be more about the "ban" on contacting the collective (mankind) officially, e.g. the sterotypical scenario of a landing on the White House lawn and saying hello to the President.
Of course the prohibition does not involve personal contacts (or groups who are open enough) also to start a slow process to help evolve the species (up to now done for millenia already I suppose) or help establish contact gradually in order to prevent a shock caused by the societal paradigm shift in case they did the 'mass contact / landing' thing.
Quote from: Volgerle on May 18, 2013, 06:28:49
Yes and no. If they have a prime directive like in Star Trek it would be more about the "ban" on contacting the collective (mankind) officially, e.g. the sterotypical scenario of a landing on the White House lawn and saying hello to the President.
Of course the prohibition does not involve personal contacts (or groups who are open enough) also to start a slow process to help evolve the species (up to now done for millenia already I suppose) or help establish contact gradually in order to prevent a shock caused by the societal paradigm shift in case they did the 'mass contact / landing' thing.
Yes - essentially that was what I was aiming at in regard to why ET remains undisclosed in the manner that many would like them to be - the subject of 'prime directive' was offered as a possible reason why.
In general it could be argued that we as a species are ready for 'landings and mass contact' due to our far better understanding of science and the universe.
Perhaps too there would be resentment if such a thing was done without any invitation?
Anyway, it appears there are more reasons why ET should remain hidden, than for them to be revealed. Perhaps it is 'the mark of a species' if it actually gets its act together with minimal outside interference...or maybe the focus is on the individual to make the connections.
Who exactly isn't ready to know? Is it mankind in general, organized religions and their followers, the boy scouts.
It seems to me that the people of the world are foaming at their mouths to get their governments to 'fess up or show some actual proof that they too are in the dark, though I do wonder how the govs can prove that they don't know something.
In regards to Christianity, it's starting to appear as if the Catholic Church is priming it's flock for disclosure.
Here's a quote from Catholic.net:
Father Funes, who took over as head of the observatory in 2006, denied that the existence of other intelligent life-forms would contradict Christian belief.
"As there exist many creatures on earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God," he said. "This doesn't contradict our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God. To say it as St. Francis [of Assisi], if we consider some earthly creatures as 'brother' and 'sister,' why couldn't we also talk of an 'extraterrestrial brother'? He would also belong to creation."
It should be mentioned that Father Funes is a Jesuit. Jesuits are a secret society of males within the Catholic Church. Through out the church's history, Jesuits have held positions that are usually deemed to not be in line with official policy. This gives them their aura of mystique which the church uses to their advantage. This allows the church some wiggle room to be involved in controversial matters. It's note worthy because they now have their first ever Jesuit Pope. I guess that means Jesuits now speak officially on behalf of the church. This could get very interesting.
Considering they forced Galileo to recant the truth about the planets revolving around the sun under threat of death, it's a little odd to some people that they have one of the largest and most sophisticated observatory in the world. Yeah, they might just be looking for Wormwood but every other observatory in the world is on the lookout for doomsday threats as well so that doesn't sound too plausible.
Since the Catholic Church seems to be embracing the idea of alien life, you can bet that this will have a huge impact on the Protestants as well. In Christianity, there is the Catholic Church and the other denominations fall under Protestant and breakdown from there.
The only other major religions that have not yet made any kind of "welcoming" statement are the Muslims and the Jews. I expect that will change soon as well.
I'm not sure what the Boy Scouts think about alien life but if it's anything like their policy towards homosexuals, I'm sure it's pretty archaic.
Quote from: its_all_bad on May 18, 2013, 17:16:17
Who exactly isn't ready to know? Is it mankind in general, organized religions and their followers, the boy scouts.
It depends upon exactly what there is to full disclosure.
What questions would arise in regard to what is revealed?
How will that affect the desired outcome?
What would be the desired outcome?
Will the ETs involved support full disclosure and are they even united? For example, I have read channeled info that says the Zeta are not part of the Galactic Federation, because they are non supportive of major directives which others have agreed to.
Will full disclosure reveal that a lot of channeled information is human fabrication?
According to Jewish tradition, ETs are featured in their holy book as 'the gods' and thus so too is this a recognizable feature in Christian doctrine - even in Revelations there is reference to Jesus returning with a host of heavenly angels to land on the Planet and take control of the situation - that would be a mighty big disclosure but not necessarily full disclosure.
How would it be if an ET species would land on the planet and play the role of God over human beings and how much of this information has been distorted to suit human agenda? How do we know that in ancient day the gods disclosed their intentions to the tribal leadership only to have that information twisted to effectively make those intentions next to impossible to carry out?
How would people react to being informed about the interactions of the past and the cover-ups and lies and distortions?
Would our specie be mature enough to accept the mistakes of the past for the sake of the future?
There is a certain role that an aspect of Zeta Reticuli species have had in relation to human beings, which is zoological and veterinarian, as well as other scientific roles, and also 'God'...how would such information be reconciled?
(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4870/warriorqs.jpg)
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 18, 2013, 18:09:32There is a certain role that an aspect of Zeta Reticuli species have had in relation to human beings, which is zoological and veterinarian, as well as other scientific roles, and also 'God'...how would such information be reconciled?
The expression 'zoological and veterinarian' implies that we regard us and consider us to be regarded by the ETs (greys and/or others) as sth inferior, even animal. However, this is open to debate, many channelled messages and information retrieved under hypnotic regression bears other messages from ETs, they talk about admiration and appreciation, since they see the soul essence in us which is not different from them. But of course this might be misinformation again ... who knows, and maybe there are different fractions and parties of ETs with different agendas and views of humans indeed ...
I'm asking myself, however, if there are so many species out there, they must still somehow coordinate and work together or at least do some counselling amongst each other. E.g. who prevents any of the races to go it alone and make "official" contact by mass landing. It did and does not happen. So who or what (authority?) would be keeping them from it? I think this is a good argument to suppose a kind of policy (or 'prime directive').
Well, I feel that all things occur exactly as they are intended, and that there are reasons for all that happens, so whether there is a massive global visitation or full disclosure or not would of course be for some purpose, be it a learning opportunity or whatever.
However, I personally feel that any mass visitation on a global scale in our current state would be highly inappropriate at this time. The entire global society is currently going through a massive transitional phase, both on a personal level as well as collectively, and is a transition that we must work through completely on our own. This is a period in human history that should not nor must not be interfered with by any perceived outside influences. I strongly feel that the next few decades, and maybe even the next 100 years will be a very defining moment in our history. How we make it through this transition will be and must be completely determined by the collective consciousess of Earth's global population, whether we "succeed" or "fail". But in all actuality there is no success or failure, there is only experience.
If we not only survive but successfully thrive at the completion of this transitional period, we could potentially have a new global society never before experienced in Earth's history, and it could be us visiting them instead of the other way around.
However, if we fail miserably to the point of near extinction, if not total extinction, then I guess whatever aliens that may or may not be observing us can just move on with nothing else to witness here, and we humans who had our chance on this planet can just continue experiencing life elsewhere.
It just depends on what we choose to experience.
Again, if there was a massive visitation, or even an invasion, this could majorly disrupt our path to enlightenment, and distract us from our Self. Even if it resulted in transforming society into a more positive one, we would have learned little, if anything at all, because the learning opportunities that we have created for ourself would have been taken away in the process. An event like this would deny us the choices we should have made on our own. If we don't learn from those opportunities then we could very likely make the same mistakes down the road, and this perceived alien rescue would have been for nothing.
As it is today, the majority of society continues to look outside of themselves for a savior. Due in no small part to many of the religions and other belief systems, we continually look for some thing or event to rescue us from our perceived problems instead of looking within ourself for the solutions. A perceived rescue from a massive alien visitation would turn our attention onto them and away from ourself and only reinforce our belief that we can only be saved from someone other than ourself.
Quote from: Volgerle on May 18, 2013, 18:40:44
[1:] The expression 'zoological and veterinarian' implies that we regard us and consider us to be regarded by the ETs (greys and/or others) as sth inferior, even animal. However, this is open to debate, many channelled messages and information retrieved under hypnotic regression bears other messages from ETs, they talk about admiration and appreciation, since they see the soul essence in us which is not different from them. But of course this might be misinformation again ... who knows, and maybe there are different fractions and parties of ETs with different agendas and views of humans indeed ...
[2:] I'm asking myself, however, if there are so many species out there, they must still somehow coordinate and work together or at least do some counselling amongst each other. E.g. who prevents any of the races to go it alone and make "official" contact by mass landing. It did and does not happen. So who or what (authority?) would be keeping them from it? I think this is a good argument to suppose a kind of policy (or 'prime directive').
On point 1 - there is enough info re Zeta Reticuli to know that they are scientists and experiment, recreate, develop and explore pushing the limits of knowledge. Also from data recalled by those who have had the experience of being 'abducted' there is a lot of feedback on being examined and tested physically.
In watching human zoological and veterinarian at work I don;t get the impression that they think of animals as inferior although in general it seems that human beings do think of animals as being inferior, soulless, but from my own communications as well as other sources we are not considered anything less than they (the greys) but more 'of them' because of the thread of life recognized as consciousness through which we are all connected - the forms we are in may be superior to other earthly creatures because we can do so much more with what we have and we can use our bodies to operate on critters and help them to get well. In that sense, our bodies being 'superior' ET forms might be superior from our own forms.
We can admire any critter for their particular talent - something we greatly appreciate or can't do ourselves (like swim like a dolphin, or run like a cat etc...)
On point 2 - there are great distances involved in travelling the galaxy and one of the disadvantages for biological lifeforms is that space travel is murder on the body.
Arguments that ET can get around this problem by jumping through dimensions might be relevant but we don't know if this is real or fictional since our own science is so limited in this area.
If there is a galactic federation this implies that they communicate somehow over great distance or that they are all in one place or that they convene in some other dimension and discuss, argue, agree etc but even if 99% of the different species for example all agreed that Humans should be left alone to develop naturally, any species which is able to ignore any agreement can do so and may not even be able to be prevented from doing so.
Anyway there is a lot of data to show that ET has indeed had a lot to do with our development.
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 18, 2013, 21:24:33
Well, I feel that all things occur exactly as they are intended, and that there are reasons for all that happens, so whether there is a massive global visitation or full disclosure or not would of course be for some purpose, be it a learning opportunity or whatever.
However, I personally feel that any mass visitation on a global scale in our current state would be highly inappropriate at this time. The entire global society is currently going through a massive transitional phase, both on a personal level as well as collectively, and is a transition that we must work through completely on our own. This is a period in human history that should not nor must not be interfered with by any perceived outside influences. I strongly feel that the next few decades, and maybe even the next 100 years will be a very defining moment in our history. How we make it through this transition will be and must be completely determined by the collective consciousess of Earth's global population, whether we "succeed" or "fail". But in all actuality there is no success or failure, there is only experience.
If we not only survive but successfully thrive at the completion of this transitional period, we could potentially have a new global society never before experienced in Earth's history, and it could be us visiting them instead of the other way around.
However, if we fail miserably to the point of near extinction, if not total extinction, then I guess whatever aliens that may or may not be observing us can just move on with nothing else to witness here, and we humans who had our chance on this planet can just continue experiencing life elsewhere.
It just depends on what we choose to experience.
Again, if there was a massive visitation, or even an invasion, this could majorly disrupt our path to enlightenment, and distract us from our Self. Even if it resulted in transforming society into a more positive one, we would have learned little, if anything at all, because the learning opportunities that we have created for ourself would have been taken away in the process. An event like this would deny us the choices we should have made on our own. If we don't learn from those opportunities then we could very likely make the same mistakes down the road, and this perceived alien rescue would have been for nothing.
As it is today, the majority of society continues to look outside of themselves for a savior. Due in no small part to many of the religions and other belief systems, we continually look for some thing or event to rescue us from our perceived problems instead of looking within ourself for the solutions. A perceived rescue from a massive alien visitation would turn our attention onto them and away from ourself and only reinforce our belief that we can only be saved from someone other than ourself.
Failure or success in terms of survival or extinction on a mass scale is not the most likely criteria. If we are talking in terms of 'spirit in a material world' then data of experience amounts to spirit utilizing the material universe in various forms, some of which are more apt - the human form seems able enough to be useful for gathering the data but not so apt at feeding back the data but it is likely not the form so much as distortion of data - for example, an individual who has experience to which he or she is unable to understand and they share the information with someone who they believe is more able to decipher that data and produce an understandable answer as to "why" - a role which tribal seers took on and cultures and religions evolved from. It is easy enough to see how this happens and for the more physical side of everyday life on earth it is education, science, finance and politics which have evolved to become that which will 'save'.
In terms of 'only the physical' mass extinction might well be an answer to a problem perceived, even as 'spirit' finds that data of experience being gathered is of no particular value to its own evolution - I use the word 'spirit' but am suggesting rather 'collective consciousness of our species' and that extinction might well play a very important role - it has already been experienced at least once and other types of form to experience through developed as the dust settled.
It is interesting to consider options - do we stand and watch as less fortunate countries suffer under harsh political laws and terrifying constraints or do we interfere? The decisions made are always political/business motivated and cost of interference must be weighed alongside possible return of investment and if there are to be no likely profits which offset the investment, then there will be no interference.
We cannot easily know what motivates ET to become involved or remain at arms length or what opportunities it affords their own 'species spirit' to learn by observing any others or indeed to what extent these species-spirits are entwined - what the relationship is at those levels of collective consciousness...how intimate they might be...for mostly, whether we are focused upon only the physical or consider also the 'spiritual' most of us as individual do not pay particular mind to such, content to play in our own subjective fields of experience and indifferent or simply unaware of the 'bigger' things occurring, and how those things might be viewing the reality unfolding and interpreting that unfolding in a co-creative mutually agreeable way - for reasons beyond the perceptions of individual human wants, desires, etc...
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09
Failure or success in terms of survival or extinction on a mass scale is not the most likely criteria. If we are talking in terms of 'spirit in a material world' then data of experience amounts to spirit utilizing the material universe in various forms, some of which are more apt - the human form seems able enough to be useful for gathering the data but not so apt at feeding back the data but it is likely not the form so much as distortion of data - for example, an individual who has experience to which he or she is unable to understand and they share the information with someone who they believe is more able to decipher that data and produce an understandable answer as to "why" - a role which tribal seers took on and cultures and religions evolved from. It is easy enough to see how this happens and for the more physical side of everyday life on earth it is education, science, finance and politics which have evolved to become that which will 'save'.
Yep. Again, all things serves it's purpose for very appropriate reasons.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09
In terms of 'only the physical' mass extinction might well be an answer to a problem perceived, even as 'spirit' finds that data of experience being gathered is of no particular value to its own evolution - I use the word 'spirit' but am suggesting rather 'collective consciousness of our species' and that extinction might well play a very important role - it has already been experienced at least once and other types of form to experience through developed as the dust settled.
I agree.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09
It is interesting to consider options - do we stand and watch as less fortunate countries suffer under harsh political laws and terrifying constraints or do we interfere? The decisions made are always political/business motivated and cost of interference must be weighed alongside possible return of investment and if there are to be no likely profits which offset the investment, then there will be no interference.
We learn from the conditions that are presented to us. It's important to understand why our political institutions, who pass these laws, exist to begin with. If we perceive there to be problems or unpleasant situations in society then there is only one way to change it.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09
We cannot easily know what motivates ET to become involved or remain at arms length or what opportunities it affords their own 'species spirit' to learn by observing any others or indeed to what extent these species-spirits are entwined - what the relationship is at those levels of collective consciousness...how intimate they might be...for mostly, whether we are focused upon only the physical or consider also the 'spiritual' most of us as individual do not pay particular mind to such, content to play in our own subjective fields of experience and indifferent or simply unaware of the 'bigger' things occurring, and how those things might be viewing the reality unfolding and interpreting that unfolding in a co-creative mutually agreeable way - for reasons beyond the perceptions of individual human wants, desires, etc...
That much is for certain. But in any case, I'm just here for the ride. :-D I can realize all this deeper meaning stuff whenever that moment presents itself. I'm certainly in no hurry. :wink:
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 18, 2013, 21:24:33
I'm just here for the ride. :-D
Interesting expression. While we all are, our 'rides' can be whatever meaningful thing we choose, or have no meaning at all. I want my particular 'ride' to find data of experience which might assist the 'spirit' of our species - for example, if I were addicted to porn, heavey drugs and violence as my preferred 'ride' the data of experience might be of minimal use - again - if I am ticking along in a worker role raising a family, paying a mortgage, that particular data may be as useful as the first example.
Again, if I use an ability to traverse the integrate realities (AP) and fight dragons or play war-games, or hang out in malls or have sex etc...the data of experience may still be of little to no value.
Therefore a particular type of data is of value - one which allows us as individuals to explore the 'deeper meaning stuff' associated with their ride, in relationship to the collective 'ride'.
:)
This attitude derives from ego-personalities understanding the importance of 'who they are' in relation to their shared reality with others in whatever existence of experience they are involved, rather than focus on the importance of their solitary life or the particular group (family, friends, like-minded etc) to which their 'ride' consists of.
One thing for sure, one can't easily get to the realization that ego-personality is not the center of the universe of its experience (ride) without going through that phase...riding through it joyously rather than getting stuck in the role of... :wink:
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 17, 2013, 16:59:45
It would be interesting if you could elaborate on your anthropomorphic comment and why this amuses you Ben.
I would think it's fairly obvious.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 22:18:13
Interesting expression. While we all are, our 'rides' can be whatever meaningful thing we choose, or have no meaning at all. I want my particular 'ride' to find data of experience which might assist the 'spirit' of our species - for example, if I were addicted to porn, heavey drugs and violence as my preferred 'ride' the data of experience might be of minimal use - again - if I am ticking along in a worker role raising a family, paying a mortgage, that particular data may be as useful as the first example.
Again, if I use an ability to traverse the integrate realities (AP) and fight dragons or play war-games, or hang out in malls or have sex etc...the data of experience may still be of little to no value.
Therefore a particular type of data is of value - one which allows us as individuals to explore the 'deeper meaning stuff' associated with their ride, in relationship to the collective 'ride'.
:)
This attitude derives from ego-personalities understanding the importance of 'who they are' in relation to their shared reality with others in whatever existence of experience they are involved, rather than focus on the importance of their solitary life or the particular group (family, friends, like-minded etc) to which their 'ride' consists of.
One thing for sure, one can't easily get to the realization that ego-personality is not the center of the universe of its experience (ride) without going through that phase...riding through it joyously rather than getting stuck in the role of... :wink:
Exactly!
Which is why the practice of letting go is one of the most liberating things one can do.
Be free. Enjoy the ride. Journey well. :-)
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 19, 2013, 23:22:05
Exactly!
Which is why the practice of letting go is one of the most liberating things one can do.
Be free. Enjoy the ride. Journey well. :-)
:)
(http://www.colourbox.com/preview/1480039-702215-smiling-green-alien-waving-from-his-ufo.jpg)
Quote from: Lionheart on May 16, 2013, 11:25:00
Communication with who?
Wi11iam, I respect your honesty.
I just returned from a show traveling on the road, so I didn't get a chance to read all of these replies when they first came in, until just now.
But we could have done without all the problems and hardships that this caused both of us, if you just would have answered the question with a simple "ET's".
No elaborate justification or explanation of any kind would have been needed.
That's all I wanted to hear. :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on May 20, 2013, 05:21:00
Wi11iam, I respect your honesty.
I just returned from a show traveling on the road, so I didn't get a chance to read all of these replies when they first came in, until just now.
But we could have done without all the problems and hardships that this caused both of us, if you just would have answered the question with a simple "ET's".
No elaborate justification or explanation of any kind would have been needed.
That's all I wanted to hear. :-)
Not sure what you are referring to guy...justification? Hardship and problems? There are a few pages of this thread...perhaps you can just point me to what it is you are referring to here...??
(you know I don't go around making problems and hardships for anyone, at least not purposefully, don't you?)
What is your name btw?
An interesting piece of data re shifts in reality and ET contact on a world wide scale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VvTPwLQq6XI
Subject matter:
Change...= shifting to the preferred vibration.
Start to see through the eyes of that which you will become (are becoming)
'New Earth' reality reflecting your own vibration.
What is the world that you prefer and are you aligned with its vibration.
Often we understand 'what we are' by reflecting off that which we are not.
The more an individual understands who they are for its OWN SAKE - without needing to see a 'counter offer of what you are not, the more those things will be no more...
What is the world we each look through...
Shifting = changing the world we look through...
Infinant choices within All That Is
Allowing makes it easier for the self to experience the reality that you prefer...
The energy now - many things are shifting.
Economic and political systems
Have new systems in place ready to go when the old ones no longer work.
Old ideas fall away as the shift happens - new ideas attract to yourself invented by you and others
which can be implemented rapidly.
Economic collapse is coming but there will be things which can replace what is washed away
Never approach things (change) with fear and event is not an event until YOU have responded to it.
Not what happens but how you respond which makes the event whatever it is you experience it to be.
Respond well to all these things and they will serve you well in you shift.
Understand the true worth/value talents and skills in a way that is not recognized by artificial symbols to represent the idea of value and exchange - the exchange between people will be sufficient.
Free Energy...will assist unifying society.
There will be an increase in the awareness and existence of ET.
Eventually open contact will occur in this shifted reality.
Open communion and contact will occur in relation to open and willing contact within your own society.
I almost forgot about the vedic accounts of "Vimana's"- the divine sky chariots that sound eerily like spacecraft in the vedas.
The most famous account is from the Mahabharata, which is the story of the great Kurukshetra war between the Pandavas and Kauravas; in the climactic battle, a sky chariot (vimana) was said to have hurled a terrible weapon which decimated both sides, but the Kauravas most so, and that resembles a nuclear device in pretty much every respect of its effects and consequences- there is description of a "parisol-like cloud", a sickness which causes the hair to fall out... blinding flash... the fact that water temporarily relieves the sickness associated with it, as it does in irradiated areas; literally 8 or 9 pieces of information like that describe an atomic weapon perfectly.
It sounds very much like there has been a race of humans with technology far beyond what history would allow, or else that extraterrestrial visitors have been playing their hand at times. I suppose it could also be a coincidence, but the connection in these verses has always been uncanny to me.
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"Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana ,
hurled a single projectile
charged with the power of the Universe
An incandescent column of smoke and flame,
as bright as ten thousand suns,
rose with all its splendour.
A perpendicular explosion
with its billowing smoke clouds...
...the cloud of smoke
rising after its first explosion
formed into expanding round circles
like the opening of giant parasols...
It was an unknown weapon,
an iron thunderbolt,
a gigantic messenger of death,
which reduced to ashes
the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
The corpses were so burned
as to be unrecognizable.
Hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.
...After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
the soldiers threw themselves in streams
to wash themselves and their equipment."
"Dense arrows of flame,
like a great shower,
issued forth upon creation,
encompassing the enemy.
A thick gloom swiftly settled upon the Pandava hosts.
All points of the compass were lost in darkness.
Fierce wind began to blow
Clouds roared upward,
showering dust and gravel.
Birds croaked madly...
the very elements seemed disturbed.
The sun seemed to waver in the heavens
The earth shook,
scorched by the terrible violent heat of this weapon.
Elephants burst into flame
and ran to and fro in a frenzy...
over a vast area,
other animals crumpled to the ground and died.
From all points of the compass
the arrows of flame rained continuously and fiercely."
— The Mahabharata
Yes, this seems to be one of the first eyewitness accounts of an actual Nuclear detonation/explosion.
Like I always say, we are currently reliving and relearning/remembering things we used to know.
Hopefully we also will remember all the horror and chaos that a device like this caused. :|
ok stop stop stop please stop people this is ridiculous these are all the same comments, beliefs, theories etc about extraterrestrial life i have heard, read or seen.
its all just a bunch of mindless conspiracies and they all point their finger in the wrong direction.
i have no idea of anything about Aliens at all why because Ive never met one in the flesh and blood in physical reality, and I'm not assuming that there isn't any other life out their at all.
I know for a fact there is Life out there because well you cant make life too easy,--- just dedicate this whole realm to one species cmon seriously???--
anyway I'm more concerned about what happens here in this world in order to insure a safe and mutable communication with another species because if u didn't pay attention in the video of the hearing the first guy to speak Paul hellyer, he was trying to get all the different military departments of Canada airforce, army, navy and join them together into one big military dep. THATS RETARDED!!!
and thats exactly what i mean by i want to insure a good relationship with any ET, there are people here on this earth who will screw it up
Im really positive that if any Honorable species came to light here they would be more than willing to discuss individual liberty and rights and i would love to have that discussion with them because its a discussion that has been going on for thousands of years here.
seriously your wasting your time going through these emergencies it blocking all of us from the important things.
P.S. i love all of y'all :-D havent been online in awhile
Quoteits all just a bunch of mindless conspiracies and they all point their finger in the wrong direction.
Which direction is the right direction, lol?
There is so much information, but it is so hard to check any of it, the truth of the matter could be near anyhting as far as I can see.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 21, 2013, 18:52:22
I almost forgot about the vedic accounts of "Vimana's"- the divine sky chariots that sound eerily like spacecraft in the vedas.
The most famous account is from the Mahabharata, which is the story of the great Kurukshetra war between the Pandavas and Kauravas; in the climactic battle, a sky chariot (vimana) was said to have hurled a terrible weapon which decimated both sides, but the Kauravas most so, and that resembles a nuclear device in pretty much every respect of its effects and consequences- there is description of a "parisol-like cloud", a sickness which causes the hair to fall out... blinding flash... the fact that water temporarily relieves the sickness associated with it, as it does in irradiated areas; literally 8 or 9 pieces of information like that describe an atomic weapon perfectly.
It sounds very much like there has been a race of humans with technology far beyond what history would allow, or else that extraterrestrial visitors have been playing their hand at times. I suppose it could also be a coincidence, but the connection in these verses has always been uncanny to me.
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The most obvious source of this story is that whomever experienced it was adept at APing and experienced this as another reality...well short of having just made it up in their imagination.
It may well have even transpired in another Galaxy on some planet similar to Earth and may even be a collective memory from the species involved which has leaked into our own through those universal connections.
Obviously it is a past event rather than some predicted one for a future time...or it seems to be presented as such.
Right now "ET" is more than likely a product of the 'non physical reality' perhaps this is how physical beings get around the universe - by using the non physical as a portal...so maybe that is part of the plan for humanity - to study the nature of the non physical and to develop ways of using it as a portal into other parts of the Galaxy and Universe.
Perhaps that connection can only ever be non physical interaction...because the nature of the non physical which bridges these distances which are in the physical cannot be physically experienced as in - a physical form cannot exist in a non physical reality but the consciousness which is experiencing through that physical form CAN experience the non physical and in this way connect with other consciousness in other forms in other parts of the Galaxy and physical universe THROUGH the same method.
Quote from: Krishanna on May 13, 2013, 17:01:19
It might be because they travel inter-dimensionally.
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QuoteThe most obvious source of this story is that whomever experienced it was adept at APing and experienced this as another reality...well short of having just made it up in their imagination.
Sounds like as good an explanation as any... there are so many details spot on in those verses, it seems likely they saw some version of a nuclear blast.
Your explanation makes sense considering that everything we do here came from the Hindu tradition... they had an entire culture of spiritual adepts... it doesn't seem that far fetched then that one of them saw the future or another space and time and assumed it was the great mythical war in their traditions I guess.
This has been an interesting thread, so far I am only on page 2. I only want to say one thing at this point regarding disclosure and whether or not humanity is ready for that event.
We can't wait for humanity to be ready, that won't happen till someone blows off the lid and forces the issue. By blowing off the lid I mean in full light so no one is left with any doubts.
I know this - People often will not face change head on. And often the very best solution to a problem like this is to just do it. I liken it to that point of contention between family members. You know the one, it's whatever that problem is that is always lurking and making everyone suspicious or keeping depressed or angry - Then one day someone just blows up and there's a huge argument. That one.
If you've ever been in that situation before then you know how truly fresh the air becomes after the blow up now that everyone's cards are on the table.
Just saying, now back to reading...
Whatever information some world agencies may have, whether they want to keep it a secret or not it's not entirely up to them. I think in the end it is up to the extraterrestrials who as of now are not exposing themselves to the public and making open mass contacts that no government will be able to hide. Apparently they are a lot more advanced than us to be able to do what they wish. I don't want to speculate about motives, purposes, etc, because there are so many possibilities. I was visited by one but there was no message given to me, just showing up in front of me when I was a child. So, I know they exists, even if I wasn't visited, the accounts of witnesses are way too many to ignore, starting from the cave pictures from prehistoric times, ancient structures that could not have been built by humans with the current tools at the time, to present day with retiring government officers telling it all, incidents and crashes covered poorly by the government with hundreds of witnesses, etc. When the time comes, we will know.
We have power downs lately so it's a good thing that you get to lie outside at night so you don't cook yourself up inside and looking up at the starry sky you absolutely always caugh the stars moving. Yesterday I saw one permanent dot of light across the sky from horizon to horizon and maybe an hour later it came back from where it went. Not to mention that you can suddenly see something blinking once strongly out of nowhere in the sky and then it won't happen again for a while and you think you are crazy until you see it again. Lol