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Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Osiris on July 06, 2003, 18:13:11 Greetings,
By practicing celibacy your sexual energy level will rise, but then you would have to transform/raise this energy. Otherwise you might encounter a very strong sexual drive. The full implication of celibacy is different from person to person. Read more info on the subject and then decide for yourself. Hope that helps. Sincerely yours, Osiris. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2003, 04:21:32 Osiris is right. Plus, sexual energy is needed to keep the body in balance. Sex is part of life and if you turn your back on it then the pressure of the evergy will not be alleviated (possibly causing blockage). Also, the brain requires you to expel some of these chemical byproducts to remain healthy and operating normally emotionally and mentally. I would not suggest this practice.
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: GTP on July 07, 2003, 06:58:24 I know some people that are celibate who are in their teens (must be hard) and are Christian and so do not believe in masturbation or pre-marital sex. I know them quite well and they seem very healthy mentally and emotionally. They also do seem to have this "glow" or "sparkle" to them. I don't know how else to describe it. I also get very positive vibes from them. I myself have been celibate for about a 3 weeks, it's kind of an experiment. So far so, good, but it is very difficult.[B)]
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: cainam_nazier on July 07, 2003, 12:21:06 Celibacy is not fun. Being 26 and celibate is even worse. Thinking that I'll be 27 soon and most likely still celibate is some what depressing. And I agree that useless you learn what to do with it the build up of sexual energy is only a hinderance to thought processes.
I personally feel that sometimes it is just best to get certain things out of your system. Sorry, it's a touchy subject. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Tayesin on July 07, 2003, 12:51:39 Hi Folks. The idea of celibacy probably originated with very early Shamans or other workers in spirit. It is about reserving energy and building a store within the Self. Just because we see the opposite of celibacy as being sexually active, does not automatically imply that the energy must be sexual. The energy itself is a base chakra form, the most powerful energy that we in the physical have easy access to. We can use the build up of that energy to empower our Self, by raising it up the chakras to either the third eye or crown chakra. We can also use it to highten our awareness and be more 'powerful' in spirit. But that by itself is not all we can do to build power. We can also go to all the people we have been close to in our lives, preferably in spirit, and 'take back' the energy that we left with them. This too restores our energy balance and levels to a hightened state. But, all said and done, we really do not need to do these things if we choose to live a normal mediocre life in our culture. These ways are more beneficial to those who are aware of their tasks here and are actively working on their planned outcomes from this incarnation. They will also need every bit of energy available to them to fulfill their task in the dark times that are almost upon us. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: pod3 on July 07, 2003, 20:32:19 That which we don't use atrophies. The best we can hope to do is not allow anything to become draining.
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: GTP on July 08, 2003, 07:55:15 pmlonline: Three questions for you:
1. when you say "24/7 consciousness, do you mean when you sleep you not only lucid dream but are conscious during non-REM deep sleep stages? 2. How does that work?[:O]I believe it's possible, but that is just incredible! 3. What is STO? Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Terry B on July 08, 2003, 11:43:20 Celibacy alone will do much harm than good. If you are going for celibacy, I would suggest that you learn about tao practice. Try the following link.
http://www.healingtaousa.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kfranzen/about.htm Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 08, 2003, 13:55:16 Most people completely misunderstand the concept of celibacy.
It will only rarely raise your conciousness alone, you could only be so lucky if it did. More often than not, it takes quite some time before you see results. Yet if it is used in conjuction with other practice, stated above, it's a useful tool. In general, I find it takes about 2-4 days of celibacy to raise conciousness. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 08, 2003, 15:30:22 quote: It's not a question of who you are with, but what you are doing (and how you are doing it). The greatest teacher of all, is yourself. None the less celibacy is akin to sex without ejaculation, just much slower. Both physical and psychological stimulation can arouse the sex organs. Yet many who become celibate strive towards a purity of thoughts et al. Since most people have anchored thoughts about sex, they are essentially eliminating the entire sexual process. Celibacy is not about denying sex, it's about shifting intent. You still strive to arouse the sex organs, but not for some mere gratification. The ultimate goal is to take sexual energy and transmute it, wich will raise your conciousness. In not so many words we are describing the Kundalini. This force is completly dependant on sexual energy, if you eliminate sexual energy you will not raise you conciousness. This has been proven time and time again. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 08, 2003, 20:15:56 The main reason why I disagree partly with your view on teachers or guides is that I've yet to meet one that could actually help me (aside from myself). Not only that, but how do you determine that they are in fact worthy of teaching?
Most of what is taught can be learned in writings, what can not be learned from text can not (for the majority) be taught from a teacher at any rate. Now don't get me wrong, I've found help from many people whether in person, through email or through books. Yet ultimatly it is up to you to learn and teach. quote: I disagree with this quite strongly. Even though I've looked into the eye of death on a number of occasions as a result of practices, I have not regreted any of them. This once again ties into how many simply do not understand sexual transmutation or the Kundalini, but still advise others in regards to it. Only a handful of individuals speak the truth. Some of this can be found in esoteric work, others in modern day texts. I'd be foolish to think that the Kundalini is for all, but that does not hinder my progress. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: pod3 on July 08, 2003, 20:26:48 Yes, you see, the transmutation of sexual energy requires there to be some first. It's my understanding that Taoism tempts until the point of orgasm but retains emission. How's that celibacy?
I tried complete celibacy without even lust and had bad results. The same cycles which keep individual heart cells beating, even when seperated from the heart, apply to the reproductive system. Your mind may be seperate from it, but the body will still do it's thing. What does Rosicrucianism teach about the specifics of maintaining the practice? It's my understanding that some lives have been prolonged indefinitely, because recycled energy increases. What are the metaphysics of celibacy from sex, food, etc.? (Answer in confidence if most appropriate.) Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Osiris on July 08, 2003, 23:44:27 Greetings,
It`s seems to be an interesting topic indeed. Celibacy on it`s own will accumulate energy, you intent combined with practice will transform it , and your actions will channel it. When one practice celibacy, the control of thoughts is important. Also vegetarian diet might refine your sexual energy. But it`s also slighty increases the level. Provided that intents are good, and person are willing to change, the celibacy is a good thing to try. What happens some times is that person is not ready to embrace the changes and therefore creating an energy blocks resulting the unintended sexual energy manifestation throught a chakra that lies below energy block. If the amount of energy is big enough the person might feel like he is burned inside. Physical damage migh occur as well. But in most cases the energy outburst will result a simple orgasm. One could incorporate both female and male aspects, or in another words completely harmonize both hemispheres of the brain, by practicing over a long period. And such people often appear much younger than they actual age. DNA changes occurs. Also you might find that you start to attract a substancial attention from opposite sex at the early stages. In a way it`s a test of person intent. That`s my bit of information. Sincerely yours, Osiris, Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: pod3 on July 08, 2003, 23:53:25 Yes, had no sexual intentions or interest, but my testes became extremely sensitive.
http://www.witchvox.com/words/words_2000/e_sexlife10.html The emission is very similar to spit, which is no less sacred as it contains some stem cells. It seems to me that, if the only issues are discipline and wasted energy, celibacy may accomplish no more for you than being comfortable with my taste in young women accomplishes for me. If I am missing something in the technique, please share. I am truly interesting in developing myself where ther is opportunity to. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: beavis on July 09, 2003, 03:24:19 Masturbation uses just as much energy as sex. There are better things to give up than those 2. Lots of things consume your energy.
Fun increases your energy. Sex could pay for itsself. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: GTP on July 09, 2003, 04:31:23 quote: Beavis, better things to give up, or easier things to give up?[;)] I'm starting to understand this powerful practice better. I've been researching it a lot and it REALLY makes a lot of sense. Since I've been celibate I've had a lot more lucid dreams than usual. Hmmmm. Could just be coincidence, but maybe not. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 09, 2003, 14:15:55 quote: The energy we are speaking of is much more profound than what you are reffering to (calories). Moreover, ejaculation is the main method for expelling this energy. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 09, 2003, 16:59:25 For men, it all comes down to whether you ejaculated or not. This is what will drain you, although the clear lubricant that is often expelled will not.
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: travelinbob on July 09, 2003, 17:29:06 Personally, I masturbate before I meditate. I find it takes more energy to repress my libido than it does to relieve it. I also believe in living a balanced life. If I repress one part of me, then it becomes a burden on the rest of my being. There is more strength in balance than in obsessing on just one side of life. In my opinion: Balance = Strength = Growth.
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 09, 2003, 19:14:16 quote: The Kundalini/Sexual Transmutation. It's described many different ways in many different practices, but it's essentially the same process. Energy up the spine to the brain. Without this celibacy is quite useless (relatively speaking of course). Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 09, 2003, 21:38:00 That was the answer to the question...
You essentially have two ways to use sexual energy, through ejaculation or transmutation. So if you are doing neither your body will compensate by either uncounciously expelling semen, or shuting down your sex drive all togther. Yet if that energy is cultivated up the spine, you will not experience the above effects. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: GTP on July 10, 2003, 00:10:25 You could try masturbating upside down. Just don't ejaculate and logically gravity would cause the sexual energy to flow down through the chakras.[?] Good luck explaining THAT to your mom if she walked in on you! "No, wait! I can explain! I was practicing Tantric yoga!!"[:D]
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Nay on July 10, 2003, 01:19:55 GTP..Hehehehe.. But seriously, is this only based on men?
Can't believe I am going to get this personal but lately I haven't been able to have OOBE's or lucid dreams (I'm still dreaming just not going lucid) Are you saying that if I refrain from having sex I will start having experiences again? I am sure it's not that cut and dry..oops no pun intended..lol..you know what I mean..One more thing to thoroughly embarrass myself..awhile back several times I woke up to a uhhh ummmm.. a orgasm..[:O] without any stimulation in ANY way..the dream wasn't dirty or my nor my hubby hands were near the goings on..Any ideas on that? And travelinbob...that was waaay too much info..LOL..[:D] but gave me the courage to post my questions..[^] so thanks. Nay. [;)] Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: GTP on July 10, 2003, 01:36:19 Nay, no it's not just for men. But you raise a good question. I guess the standing hypothesis is that there is ki or kundalini energy in semen and that's why we lose it in ejaculation. But where does the energy go when women orgasm? Maybe the kundalini energy isn't contained in semen after all, maybe at the point of orgasm it's released in some other way- not through a physical medium like semen. (I hope we're allowed to discuss this type of thing, maybe this topic needs a PG-13 rating, lol)
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: James S on July 10, 2003, 01:59:35 Nay, possibly something in the dream was causing your pelvic floor muscles to contract repeatedly??
According to wiccan practices both men and women can gather energy from sexual activities either from the surroundings or from each other. Sex does not just necessitate the release of energy. One thing comes to mind though when reading some of the posts on this topic - what some people describe sounds to me more like sexual tension than sexual energy, and allowing this to build up is definitely NOT a good thing. From my own experiences with raising energy I believe there to be so many good sources of energy available external to us that celibacy and the use of stored sexual energy is only of benefit to those who wish to choose that path. Even then, sexual energy has no where near the potency of energy drawn from the Earth. However, if it is something that works well for you personally, more power to you! James. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 10, 2003, 04:32:35 Let me clear this up just so no one else misunderstands.
Sexual Transmutation = Kundalini Sexual Tension != Kundalini Ki != Kundalini I am talking about a force that is quite profound, that I have direct experience with. I'm sorry to say, but no other 'energy' compares. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Terry B on July 10, 2003, 13:02:38 Wow, this topic is hot. I was just gone for one day and...
Okay, let's discuss. quote: Pod3, there is a practise in taoism that is like what you said above. This was more like dual cultivation suited for couple. however for those who arehreading on the celibateroad there is also a higher practise which we can call internal alchemy, or self intercourse which is a very potent exercise in converting and transmuting the energy and essence into finer level of energy. I'll continue later as I need to log off now. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on July 10, 2003, 15:40:31 quote: What is it that you have against sex, might I ask? From my experiences moderation and balance are key to being healthy. Someone asked what balance is, well balance cannot be defined exactly as it is different for each person. For some it may be going without sex, or others it may not be. You must listen to yourself, as only you know what your right balance is. I personally do not see how celibacy can help, though this is for me. I find that by using Toaist techniques during sex or to cultivate energy (masterbation without ejaculating but to raise engery) I have much more energy than if I abstain from any sexual activities. Infact for me, if I try to abstain I become much to frustrated to do much of anything. Sexual engery can be very useful if you can convert it and cultivate it. As for loosing sexual engery during dreams, after a while of practicing the Toaist sexual exercises I was honestly completely freaked out one night when I was having a sexual dream, woke up and realized that I was cultivating the sexual energy while I was dreaming. Clearly this goes to show that sex is what you make of it. It does not have to be a release and lose of energy but with practice you can teach yourself to draw engery from it for your other activities, even while we sleep. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: travelinbob on July 10, 2003, 15:56:22 I'm working hard to get my astral vision just in case I go blind. [:D]
Sorry I couldn't resist. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on July 10, 2003, 16:43:18 OMG! LOL
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Nay on July 10, 2003, 16:48:37 From what you posted earlier, Travelinbob...I think you better HURRY!!! LOL...[:D]
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on July 10, 2003, 19:13:45 If you will pardon my ignorance, what are these Adepts you speak of?
Personally I follow no one other then what I have learned to be best for me. I am open to new ideas and always testing them, learning, and seeing what is best for my growth. I am not offering you empty words but what I have learned from experience. One thing that I have learned is that while I occupy a physical body I should listen to it and satisfy its needs and requirements. Sex is something that is natural and I have found to be a requirement for my own personal health. I have tried going without any sexual stimulation, but have found it frustrating and in the long run more harmful that helpful. When I started practicing the Toaism which taught me to see that sex can be spiritual I finally felt complete and balanced. Here is the book that I learned about the exercises and ideas if you are interested: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0062513362/qid=1057867116/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-4959475-0315934?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 While one can follow the "higher" spiritual path, I still believe that we need balance between the material and the spiritual. We maybe spiritual beings in part, but we are still physical beings for awhile as well. You clearly seem to have a strong pull or desire to be celibate. Maybe this is the best path for you, who am I to say. If that is the path you wish to take then do so and see where it takes you. Just know that from my experiences it is not the only path. quote: To answer the original question, no. But I have raised my consciousness during sex, which can be pretty amazing. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: James S on July 10, 2003, 21:55:06 Fallnangel's last post agrees with the point I was trying to put across about sexual tension -
quote: This is the way I look at it, as know it to be for many other people. For me sexual tension is not an energy to be used, but a distraction to be dealt with. Sexual tension usually gets my sacral chakra all screwed up, and I have to clear this before I can get my energy circuit revved up again. Pmlonline, quote: LOL!!! Thinking about some of my wiccan friends you've got a point there. quote: I'd say it does if you consider it part of a balanced healthy lifestyle. I've never been one to agree with the philosophy of forcing your body to go without to help raise your spiritual awareness. Too often this leads to complications in other areas of your life which end up being counterproductive. Just as a healthy energy body is a requirement for a healthy physical body, the reverse is also true. Balance of healthy mind body and spirit is very important. James. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Nay on July 11, 2003, 00:45:08 Just don't watch Travelinbob..!! lol..ok..I am sorry, the funny bone has me today..*zips lips*...OMG..there are two funny puns, just from that line alone...
Nay. [;)] Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Terry B on July 11, 2003, 12:52:46 There is actually a taoist practise where you can ejaculate, yet still mantain the energ. It involve certain key sound. There are many different level to taoist practise btw.
What I'm trying to say here is that celebrate, err... I mean celibacy would not be good just on it's own. It's not that natural. And it's not like you're gonna be any good at semen hoarding. However being celibate for a long time might bring about certain physiological change, which can be beneficial or don't. I think I've read somewhere that those who are celibate like priest tend to be more prone to prstate cancer. I don't think that it's because of being celibate per se, but because of excessive tension. I feel bad bringing this up but what about the crime that some priest seems to be guilty of(there are more people not guilty of it but that's the nature of the news). Forgive me but I'm going to use certain eastern term. When someone hold off from ejaculating, to put it simply, they increase a certain form of energy with yang nature. Due to nature of yang energy, it seeks expression. And staying celibate will increase this pressure until a certain point it will let off on its own, say in wet dream. The atoist claim that wet dream is more dangerous than normal sexual ejaculation because you have no control whatsoever, and there is no exchange in energy. therefore they have devise certain exercise for this. For a couple, they can use dual cultivation, balancing male energy, which is mostly yang with female energy which is predominantly yin. The pressure simmer off. But if someone want to stay celibate, there are practise suited for them such as greater kan and li, self intercourse and other exercise. In fact there is certain level, of certain practise that the practitioner (who wish for celibacy) get to the stage that they produce no more semen. And of course not producing anymore semen they will not lose anything.It is a very advance practise by the way and I don't know much about it. A simple but in no way a complete exercise to help with the sexual tension would be transferring energy from your sexual centre to heart centre and back in a cycle to transmute the energy into higher level. After enough cycling the energy the practitioner meditate on expressing love from the heart centre (the twin heart meditation is good for this). And plmonline, maybe your brotherhood have certain practise for this problem? Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: pod3 on July 11, 2003, 15:34:43 Well, my point about the composition of ejaculate was that you could spit saliva upon the ground all day without fear of being depleted so long as you weren't doing it as a matter of psychopathic compulsion.
So what if intercourse comes from our lower nature? The lower self causes us to sleep, eat, breath, etc, and we are not trying to abstain from any of these in the hope of higher spirituality. Besides, the thought of rerouting energy from our corporeal shell in order to perform vast psychic feats reminisces of those who go insane from practicing the pendulum too much or get sick from making a seed grow. The purpose of good majick is the opposite of taking from our lifeforce, in the first place. Here's another thing which worries me: Assuming the correctness of celibacy, what are the normal paths of energy through the genitals? When we get to much into not producing ejaculate anymore, are we not straying a little close to cultic castrations? Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: travelinbob on July 11, 2003, 16:33:06 He he he, Nay made a funny! [:D] Glad to see I'm not the only one with a dirty mind. Seriously though.
Pmlonline makes a good point that sex is just for the physical. It has one function, but its effects do permeate into the rest of our being. If you do not balance your energies, impulses, etc, they will become a burden. So as long as we are in the physical, we will have to deal with the sex thing one way or another. If you deny something that is there, it only becomes the proverbial elephant in the room nobody talks about. But it's still there. It does not go away that easily. If you fight it you might loose more energy fighting it than just dealing with it. Well. That's all I have to say. Got to get back to downloading porn! [:D] Just Kidding. I'm not as perverted as my sense of humor, Nay. Its not like I would go Astral to create a girl with big breasteseses. [:I] Don't write to protest, I'm already sorry typed this. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: RoyHarper on July 11, 2003, 17:17:43 Currently there are quite a few misconceptions and misunderstandings in this thread. From this people are, in my opinion, coming to the wrong conclusions. I'd love to fill everyone in with the details, but I'm far too busy at the moment. When I get a chance, I'll post everything from square one.
Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: kifyre on July 11, 2003, 17:20:52 You could always "find God through sex"... Check out www.deida.com
Further, www.multiples.com I recommend both highly if you'd like to start at the bottom, get a personal feel for what's really happening, and decide for yourself. Me? I haven't decided yet. :) But I'm leaning towards sexually active, with some sort of management of ejaculation. (I like to call it "voluntary ejaculation," as opposed to ejaculation control. ;) For me, logic and love point to sex at the moment, but with a twist (a la the two websites above.) All the best, Mark Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Osiris on July 11, 2003, 21:42:10 Greeting,
quote:Joy of No Sex by Swami Bhaktipada (Palace Publishing, West Virginia. 1988). Sincerely yours, Osiris. Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Nay on July 11, 2003, 22:18:45 Yes, humor is great when talking about something embarrassing..[:I]
must.....have....humor...cannot..... talk.... about... this......without it...LOL.. But it does bring to mind a question...how many, whom are doing the celebacy, are married or have a significant other? I know my husband would be like...WHAT???..oh, I think not! now get undressed and get in bed..lol..[:P] Nay. [;)] Title: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: GTP on July 06, 2003, 17:54:36 I've always thought it made sense to use celibacy to help induce mystical states/OBE's/LD's, psychic ability, improve meditation, basically raise your consciousness. Figuring that orgasm is a release of "sexual energy", why not keep the sexual energy inside you, let it build so it might somehow be transmuted or tranformed into a different kind of energy that could be used beneficially. I always knew this philosophy had something to do with Tantric Yoga, but never really researched it. Then I came across this article. Please tell me what you think.
http://www.staer.org/Compas/transmuting_energy.htm Has anyone tried celibacy to raise their consciousness? Title: Re: Celibacy to raise consciousness Post by: Nameless on November 23, 2018, 06:06:43 Well alrighty then!
Control control control - that's mostly what I read here although there were some good points made. But all that controlling sure wouldn't be inductive to living a spontaneous life and being in the moment. The body is physical = take care of it according to its physical needs. The mind is mental = take care of it according to its mental needs. The rest is 'other/spiritual' = take care of it according to its needs. I figure if you do that each part will be in balance on its own and each part will have the necessary energy required to lend to each other part as needed. I know when I lend my sexual energy to 'other' I receive a great boost in my own overall physical health, emotional health and spiritual health. |