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I've had the same question about my pot smoking and astral projection.

I'm still working it out myself.. all I know is that before I smoked pot regularly I was able to OBE a lot more.  My OBEs have been rare now since marijuana smoking has become a daily thing. Although I'm still not blaming pot for my non-ability to get out lately.. I think it's more due to the fact that I've stopped practicing regularly.  I have never had an OBE from smoking pot and have always failed while trying under the influence of pot.   I refuse to believe pot makes you unable to go OBE.. but hey , I just hope I'm not in denial here. =)  My problem is falling asleep during my attempts.. I think pot makes it easier for me to fall asleep once I start relaxing.. so maybe thats my answer.  I'm working on sitting up and practicing so that if I fall asleep I may notice it better , or my happy arse will fall out the chair instead.   Good luck tho! Sorry I know I'm not much help O_0

I posted this in another thread but I also suggest this to you.

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You sound like you are having the same problems as me. I used to have OBEs fairly regularly when I was in highschool sitting in a schooldesk to project..but even then I had trouble having one in my bed. I now practice in a sitting position to avoid the going asleep part... most of the time O_0.  I'm always worried about falling out of the chair or that one of my feet I have propped up would fall off and wake me up .. or that I'de hit the ground if I actually fell out the chair.. What happens is my mind will try to make it feel like one of the other happens.  (I try to focus more on worrying that my feet will fall off the stool I have them propped up on) My mind sort of makes it happen if I'm in that state you are talking about .. where you might feel vibes and then they go away and your in just a totally relaxed state.. Its my way of applying astral pressure to my body (worry the feel will fall) and once they start feeling like they are falling , you should be in the mind awake/body asleep state. Theres no doubt about it.. Keep in mind .. you may try to be repositioning them but they are not moving at all.. and a lot of times if it feels like I'm falling out my chair , I'm really not.. I've had to let myself hit the astral floor and started floating before my nose hit once.. .. I dont prefer to practice this method for obvious reasons lol..  I hope this helps as one thing to try.  Some people do the arm up method.. look that one up.  I get frustrated when falling asleep so I tend do have some sort of safety net .. alarms help .. sleep deprivation is a pretty easy way to have an accidental OBEsometimes  .. but not healthy O_0..    Good luck , if I think of anything else I'll let ya know Smiley 
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Another thing that works when you get to that "strange awareness without vibrations" state is to simply imagine you fell asleep on a rocking chair .. or bed.. or maybe waterbed .. and that you ever so slightly feel the structure rocking or swaying.  It may very well begin to feel more and more real and that is all you need to create the pressure on your astral body to sort of slide or roll out. I find it hard to do the roll out method cause I can't figure out how to do it without waking my body up or something..  If I can fool myself into thinking I'm falling off the bed (hang one leg off?)  maybe you can use that sense of "Oh crap .. maybe I will fall out"  to propel you on it's own.  Just make sure you arent in any real danger of falling... or put yourself there as safely as you can and that will just help even more. This is why I sit up and try to go OBE.. I'm always worried my body will relax a certain way and I wont notice it and I'll just fall out the chair.. What I've found is that I'm never really slipping off the chair .. each time I fix myself , I'm already back in the original position..  Letting yourself fall that way is fun and scary at the same time hehe. I've fell right out to the floor and my nose almost touched but I just kinda hovered over the ground.. quite an interesting way to go OBE I must say. Just be careful lol..  Good luck!  Just know, you are not alone with that roadblock.  I still deal with it each time I project.. I feel like all of a sudden I'm light and floaty but I'm still very much in my body.. sometimes the vibrations come and go while I'm in this state and I can't do anything but feel them and they pass leaving me there at square one. 

I also have to agree with Ryan. 

My first OBE was scary as hell actually.. I was only a week into practicing and getting frustrated at myself for falling asleep each night.  On the 6th or 7th day of my relaxing breathing exercise I noticed I was about to fall asleep again.. I kept forgetting to count my breaths and was noticing the dwindling of my conscious mind. I felt frustration building at that point and somehow I let it rage within me.. before I knew it , I had frustrated myself into a different position and was seeing my room through my chest's point of view.  The first thing I saw was a huge black orb the size of a beach  ball hovering over me.. There were strands of black and silver trailing into it from around the room.  I then felt like I was slowly being sucked up into it and let me tell you ... that was the strangest feeling I've ever had.  It felt like all my joints and limbs were curling up backwards and heading into the black orb.. my fingers were bending backwards and my knees and everything in the most unnatural feeling way.  This scared me into trying to escape but I couldn't move.. I felt my body paralyzed and could only watch and feel this happening for a while.  It took a lot of effort to wake myself up and when I did I had an incredible rush of adrenaline as I thought "HOLY CRAP!! WHAT WAS THAT!?  I WANNA DO THAT AGAIN!"  I had not feared anything before practicing astral projection.. I certainly didn't fear anything after that .. Why??  I don't know .. that shoulda scared me right outta this whole OBE thing but over the years I have realized that nothing can hurt me and if anything , I choose to believe I'm extremely powerful while out.  Thats my experience Have fun!
Cool sketches , it was like a glimpse into your mind! =)

Astralaegis these guys are giving you great advice. I was reading your post and I had to check the name to make sure I didn't post it myself in my sleep or something! O_0... You sound like you are having the same problems as me. I used to have OBEs fairly regularly when I was in highschool sitting in a schooldesk to project..but even then I had trouble having one in my bed. I now practice in a sitting position to avoid the going asleep part... most of the time O_0.  I'm always worried about falling out of the chair or that one of my feet I have propped up would fall off and wake me up .. or that I'de hit the ground if I actually fell out the chair.. What happens is my mind will try to make it feel like one of the other happens.  (I try to focus more on worrying that my feet will fall off the stool I have them propped up on) My mind sort of makes it happen if I'm in that state you are talking about .. where you might feel vibes and then they go away and your in just a totally relaxed state.. Its my way of applying astral pressure to my body (worry the feel will fall) and once they start feeling like they are falling , you should be in the mind awake/body asleep state. Theres no doubt about it.. Keep in mind .. you may try to be repositioning them but they are not moving at all.. and a lot of times if it feels like I'm falling out my chair , I'm really not.. I've had to let myself hit the astral floor and started floating before my nose hit once.. .. I dont prefer to practice this method for obvious reasons lol..  I hope this helps as one thing to try.  Some people do the arm up method.. look that one up.  I get frustrated when falling asleep so I tend do have some sort of safety net .. alarms help .. sleep deprivation is a pretty easy way to have an accidental OBEsometimes  .. but not healthy O_0..    Good luck , if I think of anything else I'll let ya know  

I've had plenty of experiences that are similar to yours. One way I've brought myself back to the RTZ (real time zone) is to focus on the room or place where my physical body was.. Try to put yourself back close to your physical body but careful not to be IN it or moving It's limbs.  Its kinda tricky but other than the "awereness now" mantras , this is my only little trick.  One time I became aware I was dreaming and when I wanted to go back to my body I tried to feel for how I was laying and thankfully it did not wake me up but it put my astral body back close to how my physical body was and I sorta sat up and peeled right out my body. I continued to notice the room around me , colors , sounds etc.. and I was in fact having a RTZ OBE cause I heard people outside my room and later verified there was people there when I woke up minutes later.  It was my niece visiting and I had not known she was coming    Its just kinda difficult to think of your physical body while OBE and NOT actually wake yourself up from the experience.  But it can be done..  I hope that gives you something to work with Good luck!! And keep it up!

That experience you had was more than a lucid dream. Your on the right track! Just gotta figure out how to get to the here & now (RTZ - real time zone)

What I will try to do when healing pains in myself usually goes like this.

I will first focus on the spot that is hurting. By this , I mean I try to feel the pain .. usually this will increase it because I'm allowing my body to feel it instead of fighting it off because it hurts in the first place..  If it is a throbbing pain (like a headache) I will most likely feel harder throbs and they may throb faster and faster (although not all the time).. Once I feel I'm definitely able to feel the pain and wrap my awareness around it within my body , I will take my hand(s) and put it over the general area of pain about 4 to 5 inches or so depending on how far away from my body I seem to feel more disturbance. By disturbance I mean I usually feel the area of pain is warmer .. or buzzing with a different buzz from the rest of my body (which usually doesnt seem to buzz much at all on the norm when hovering my hands over it). I'll then focus back on actually allowing myself to feel the pain.. I hold on to the thought of how that pain feels and where its originating from. And I try to follow it out with my awareness like I'm slowly dragging the pain out with my mind.. I may even feel the pain begin to move and throb in the parts of my body I'm dragging it from (usually only a few inches around where it started).  I try not to drag it all over but rather straight out with the hands hovering over the area like I mentioned doing before.  I'll try to create a suction of energy sucking into my palm.. kinda like using my hands as a vacuum over the pain.  I also make an attempt to stop that pain from traveling back in my body through my wrists. It usually goes a little past my wrist but mentally I push it back towards my hand.. when I Feel it fill up (which makes my fingers & wrist/forearm tight & often crack) Once I feel like I have a big handful of that energy (kinda feels like a thick warmer blob of energy or heavier air pressure **also has the feeling of ickyness I cant explain..) I will drag it away and toss is into the air as well as release it from my wrist. I force it back out my wrist the same way I sort of helped guide it out of its original source.   I then repeat the process until either the pain subsides or there is no more disturbance in the energy field there. 

The pain and bad energy that is causing it may replenish. If this happens I repeat the process until I feel it has subsided a bit again.  Then I fling off all excess energy on that vacuum hand (to make sure there is nothing still in your wrist or clung to the hand) and this time I try to use the back of that vacuum hand to suction good energy from around me or from source or whatever you perceive as healing energy and then take the palm side (the side that should be facing your pain) and push it in to the spot of the pain.  So basically channeling the good energy straight into the pain thought reverse vacuuming. Flooding the area of pain .  Sometimes I will simply use energy from other parts of my body by dragging it to the source of the pain. The energies seem to fight off the bad energy and balance out what little is left. 

This technique is the same thing I do to help people with joint pains , headaches , flu , sinus pain/pressure , joint pressure .. etc..These are at least the things I've been successful with on more than one account.  My hardest seems to be chronic back pains/joint pains.   But at least 9/10 times I have helped them ease the pain temporarily.  Headaches/sinus pressure/physical pain seems to be easiest to heal I guess because I don't feel it replenish itself like a person who has chronic pain. 

I have been practicing on people on and off and not a whole heck of a lot but over the years I've gained confidence since I've had many people allow me to try it on them.
What helped me develop my gift was Robert Bruce's N.E.W. energy ways.  It helped me become very sensitive to my own energy and focus on parts of my body with more precise awareness. Everything else just kinda came naturally through "experimenting" both on myself and others.  I have not read much on the internet on how to do it.. lately I'm seeing that I'm doing exercises similar to what Reiki instructors do.. except I don't really channel and of my energy through to others to heal.. I'm usually channeling it from the air around me that I believe to be not separate from me at all but rather we are basking in this energy at all times.. and since I believe everything is one and connected.. its easier to channel the healing energy of source or (God) or whatever .. its just my thought and intentions that amplify and direct this healing flow to the area effected. 

I hope I did not put too much detail in this..I tend to type too much but I feel that anyone who comes across this might be helped in some way.  Thats my 2 cents! Happy healing! Any questions just ask in here (or private message me cause I dont check the site much lately)

Peace!

I posted a response in this thread http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/most_reliable_exit_technique-t29579.0.html

its a little ways down but the techniques I posted sound like a few things you could benefit from trying if you reach the sleep paralysis state and can actually open your eyes. Best advice I can give you is , dont be scared of it .. take it for the vividly bizarre and interesting experience that it is .. I believe its energy in our body preparing for some kind of exit and sometimes more gets surged through somehow and eventually I can take control of it and that energy becomes the body I move instead of the flesh and muscle.. It builds , sometimes noisily and shakily , sometimes not .. just stiff and paralyzed ... buzzing in only the parts I'm trying to move.. Then I use one of those techniques I mentioned to actually "get past" it for me.  Hope it helps! Peace and good luck!

PS: Don't be scared , its all harmless ((I find it fun to move the vibrations around when im in sleep paralysis.. its like a little game and its fun-- not to mention I think its very helpful for your body and when you wake up you can take what you've learned and apply it to maybe energy healing or something with a friend whos into it))

I noticed that when I'm in the vibrational state I can exit my body many different ways. The possibilities are almost endless .. getting the vibrations is the hard part for me

Heres one thing I try to do when I get vibes.

As soon as I know its the right vibrations and that my body is fully paralyzed , I attempt to make it feel as though I'm moving some way .. or I try to feel that the bed or chair or couch is slanted ever so slightly so that I may feel as though I'm beginning to roll off or gravitate that direction . it creates some kind of false movement in my astral and I sort of slide out sometimes..

A more direct approach which I try more often is try attempt to move a certain way.. its kinda like .. If I wanted to move my astral arm out of my paralyzed body , I try to not only move it as though I were physically moving it  ( and I feel the vibrations in that limb more at that time ) but I also couple it with the thought of where im moving it to , maybe how it would look but most importantly how it would actually FEEL to have had that limb move. This again uses the same mechanics of the first technique mentioned above in the sense of it creating some sort of false movement.. By me remembering how my arm feels to move it , created the force enough to allow it to separate.

Visualizing things is another good way , I once imagined I had a yoyo dropping down and returning over and over when I was in a paralyzed state .. it was purely a visual and the yoyo seemed attatched to my forehead .  When the yoyo went away , I tried to feel like i was chasing it , and when it returned I feld rubberbanded back .. this kept up until I began to feel a slight dizzyness as though I was whooshing down to the yoyo and back up with it .. then its like my astral head actually wooshed down after it and I never had to be forced back up ..

Another time I imagined cartoon characters flipping out of a cannon (Super Nintendo's Secret of Mana characters) head over heels into the clouds in the sky .. after this flipping played over and over in my mind enough , I felt vertigo and flipping myself .. soon I just sprung right up sitting out of body. I repeated this same exercise as soon as I exited my body fully after that attempt. And it worked in only seconds .. I made sure to fully wake myself up , move , rub my eyes a tad , and go back to visualizing it a second time.. bam worked.

I hope this helps .. experiment , experiment , experiment You'll discover many things about Astral Projection on your own .. there seems to be no sure fire way .. but theres so many ways that it shouldnt discourage anyone no matter how hard it seems.

I can't do it everytime I want to .. hell its been a long time but I remember how beautiful the experiences are and many ways I've exited. The most important thing I can tell you is to remember every detail you can of what led up to certain "triggers" .. the vibrations , paralysis , dizzyness , slight moving/shifting of the body  .. all these things are triggers to let you know you've entered another stage of the OBE process.

I hope I've helped a bit. Good luck!

That was definitely and exit of the body in which you simply sat there and freaked out and unfortunately it sounds like you were a bit scared. Dont be scared of the vibrations. They feel funky .. yes.. violent? Try this.. next time the vibrations come.. Believe they cannot hurt you. They really can't. Yes it feels wierd but BELIEVE its gonna be ok and just be "interested" in them instead.. study them .. you'll realize that its your mind making it more intense and scary by simply freaking out. Take it easy I got used to them rather quickly but only because I believed that this all naturally happens when we sleep but our minds are simply caught up in the visuals we fell asleep to. Have fun and good luck!

hey Sabrina , hey everyone Its been a while since I posted but I just happened to check the forums out again and found this thread

Sabrina , I've had the chance a bunch of times to go OBE in class when I first learned how to do it. I dont know of some of my older posts are on here but I may have mentioned this sexual encounter in one of them.

To make a long story short ,  I went OBE sitting up in my desk in class and when I got out , and looked around the room at people doing their work etc.. I walked out into the gym (our class was in the old school gym ).. and I immediately said .. ok I want to have sex with my girlfriend right now.. And I didnt really think about how it was gonna happen I just snapped my finger and expected her to appear and bam .. She was clothed as far as I know and I can remember sex was more like floating on the wooden gym floar as though we were sliding on ice easily like air hockey maybe.. I dont remember movements of it much .. I was much more enchanted by how much more intense it felt .. It was like a constant strong orgasm the whole time and its funny how this ended.. I felt something coming from somewhere.. and a noise too .. and I didnt know why but it felt like it was eminating from my throat ... but somewhere else too.. Then I realized that kinda feels wierd so I felt for my physical body and woke myself up slowly.. slow enough to feel it was my body actually grunting  like it was reacting to the astral sex. My head was pointed down so it felt uncomfortable to make any noise from the throat that way.

So yes to agree with it feeling much more intense yes. It was so much better than the real thing because its like .. the end result climax of the real thing , but constant the whole time.. its a climax until you turn it off .. or wake up ..  Its amazing Good luck with it but dont be naughty and give yourself bad karma either

Hehe.. not a strange question at all..

Let me tell you .. its definitely possible.. I know from experience as well.  It even feels as good as the real thing to the point where you wake up and... well.. have to clean up something ..  Its amazing!

Hey zorgblar  .. Your not alone feeling the way you do "bored with life".  I too have been feeling that way for a long time.. What Bird said , "they pass when you love somebody." , is very true.. In many ways it will give you something , or someone , to live for.  If anything you should learn to love yourself and learn to appreciate life for what it is.. Look at things in a whole new light even.  I just came out of the most horrible relationship I have ever been in with a girl and I had a baby by her so it makes things even harder to get this girl out of my life.  Instead of looking back on how horrible of an experience it all was , I can look back and appreciate what I've learned about myself and about the many individuals I had to deal with because of meeting her.  I learned to hone my intuition so well because of that relationship.

What I'm saying is , you might want to find out something about life that interests you.. Theres something for everyone and if you search hard enough you'll end up realizing what you are really here for.  Its not to die or commit suicide.. Thats nobody's reason for being here.  Love yourself , search yourself , and appreciate life by seeing it in a new light.  Maybe you could use a boost of self-esteem.. One way to do this , strangely enough , is to do things for other people.. total strangers even..  Open the door for someone as you walk through it before them.  Pick up the change an elderly person dropped and hand it back to them to save them the back-ache.. Anything you can do to be courteous and allow yourself to feel good about it.  It will not only bring you good karma but you may find out that you enjoy doing it and only good things will come of it.  I don't know what it would take for you to enjoy life and find your renewed interest in it but I do know one thing.. You are here for a reason and you have certain obstacles to overcome.  Don't take these obstacles as negative things.. take them as challenges and make them goals for yourself to overcome.  That will bring a renewed interest in life right there.  Then you can look back and realize one day how much you've changed and what you've accomplished and maybe appreciate the fact that you didn't go through with committing suicide to accomplish it.

I hope I've have some positive influence here. You can contact me and talk about things if you want.  I'm a good listener and I won't judge you no matter what you've done. 

Peace!

Well fellas , I'm still experiencing the 11 phenomena and its happening more and more often now.  The other morning I woke up and had a bad feeling in my gut and I thought it might have something to do with my girlfriend.  I hurried up to finish my cigarette before going back into my house and when I reached my phone to send her a text message BAM it was 2:11 on the dot.  3 hours later she managed to reply to a text message I sent to her much earlier in the day right as my phone struck 5:11.  As I went to bed last night I decided to check my phone for the time. The LCD screen's backlight was off since I had not touched the buttons for a while.. I could hardly read the time on the phone but it looked like 1:11 , then I hit the end call button to light up the phone for me I noticed that it was only 1:40 but as soon as I hit the end button it instantly changed to 1:41 .. If it wouldn't have changed so quickly after pressing that button I wouldnt even consider that experience another "11 experience".  HAHA You guys just wouldn't believe if I told you that I just looked at the time and seen it was 11:11.. Its just crazy for me I'm telling you.. 

Lately I've started to think that if I see and 11 its my sign that I'm doing just what I need to be doing in my life..  On my first date with my new girlfriend we at pizza in the mall and my change was exactly 11 cents.. Freaky.. I still don't quite know what to make of it.

I thank you all for your input..

This new girl is giving alot of attention, right?

Very much attention yes. To the point where I told her I think its unfair that she shows so much for me when I feel this way inside because of what I've been through and can't give much of myself to her right now.. Yet , she understands and is telling me to take as much time as I need.

I mean this is what you wanted(?)

Very much so .. I don't crave attention but I know that I've never been shown this kind of attention in years and it feels good.


And about the soul-mate thing.. All I know is this..

I thought I passed up my soul-mate (my ex fiance) ..  We had a connection that was just plain freaky.. We shared each other thoughts.. I felt when she was in danger.. many telepathic things and since it ended with her I havent had that connection with anyone else.. Except for now..  Theres been so many occasions only in one week so far that seem to bring back memories of the connection I had with my ex fiance.  I really don't know what to make of it but I'm happy about it nonetheless. 

Imo she had a low self esteem and didn't feel worthy of your love to her. You gave more love to her than she felt she deserved and held you in contempt you for it. People don't appreciate things they don't have to work for. You were always there when she needed you but what did she do for you?

I think you are right.. With our first breakup , her excuse for treating me the way she did was "I have never been shown so much love before , I didn't know what to do about it so I ran from it!" yet at the same time she says "I love him so much , I've never loved anyone as much as this before , it must be real" ..  What did she do for me?  I can't name one but I can name many things she could have done for me.. It was that bad.. I so didn't deserve any of it but I learned to appreciate it all here in the end.  I think I stuck it out because I took it as payment being brought unto me for my wrongdoings with my ex fiance.. I just hope I've payed my debt.. it sure feels like I've got some karma credit though after all this hehe... I've payed too much!

Thanks again to everyone who had some input.

PS: To greggkroodsma  , I appreciate your input as well.. I don't think you believe to what extent I was wrongly done by her.  The shove back was not hard at all .. just a way to say "Dont do that to me or I'll do it back" and the second time I "hit!?" her was self defense .. If I hadn't done that , I would still be healing bruises and possibly would not be able to have kids anymore.  Any man would be correct to do what I did to her or I would have less respect for them at least.. If a woman puts herself in a man's shoes and lays her hands on another man she is asking for it.. I could have beat the crap out of her God knows i wanted to but I'm stronger than that.  I took it extremely easy on her  , if only you could have been a fly on the wall that day you would give me a cookie for real..  But thanks for your input as well. 

I find the vibrations extremely interesting.. Vibrations for me have never really been a pleasant feeling to speak of.  I do get the rare chance to experiment with them and its a wonderful thing to attempt to do energy exercises while you are experiencing full body paralysis and vibrations.. Whenever I feel vibrations , I'm always fully paralyzed yet can switch between taking control of my body or taking control of the vibrations.. What allows me to leave my body is controlling the body parts that feel like they are vibrating.. Not the physical body parts but the vibrations take the shape of the limbs themselves..That makes me believe the vibrations are indeed my astral body separating simply because of the way I exit my body.. its the vibrations I control in the form of a second body that I mentally force away from it's physical counterpart.  It feels like peeling out of plastic wrap and once I move that vibrating body part away from the physical body far enough , I feel like the pulling effect is no longer present and suddenly it feels completely free and weightless.. Its a great feeling

Ehh... I think I have an experience for you..

I've had a couple of dreams where in them I've managed to come across a nice joint and started smoking it..   When I smoke ganja in my dreams I get an extreme sense of my energy swirling and often I start to see vibrant colors enveloping my surroundings.. Its similar to what I've heard LSD can make you experience.  It definitely enhances the fun factor of my dream and I can remember exactly how it felt upon waking up.  It seems to make my dream even more lucid for some reason.  Oh yea .. I dont cough either  

Theres my 2 cents .. heh..

For me , vibrations serve as my trigger to go OBE although I've astral projected plenty of times without them as well.  Lately my OBEs have been so rare that once I get vibes I get too excited to do anything with them and end up losing them and waking back up.. It now takes a very conscious effort to keep my excitement under control when I feel them.  That in itself makes it that much harder for me to achieve astral projection now... 

What I've learned may surprise you..  I had 85% of my OBEs in a hard wooden school desk sitting upright while a classroom of roughly 30 students were all being noisy and a teacher trying to lecture on world war 2.. In no way was I really too comfortable to speak of..  When my body would fall asleep , it would feel as though I was slipping sideways out the desk.. Each time I would attempt to straighten myself , I would instantly be back in my original upright position..  I got fed up with it one day and decided I would just fall out the desk and if I really fell then I really fell!!!  To my surprise my astral body was the one slipping out the desk while my physical body remained asleep.. I learned it may very well have been a subconscious paranoia of my mind thinking I would fall out my desk if I fell asleep like that since I had no sides to the desk to hold me in ... That paranoia put pressure on my astral body and created almost an effortless exit.  Keep that in mind and you might understand how some of the techniques going around on the net actually try to get you to "put pressure" on your astral body..  Creating some kind of .. "back of the mind" worry about your body moving some kind of way will have an effect on your astral body.. at least for me it does.

I hope that makes sense If not ask me and I'll go into further detail.

Peace and good luck!

First let me say that I totally understand what you mean about her possibly wanting unconditional love from me without me requiring her to change..  I reached a point where I told her this exactly.. "I will not try to change you from here on out.. do what you want and if you end up in jail I may not be here when you get out" .. Kind of my way of saying .. heres the rope to hang yourself with.  The changes I required of her were changes any responsible adult would need to make for a small family.  Not hard changes... not at all.  Mostly just changes that consisted of getting a job and not blowing what little money we had on useless things.  Really small stuff.. I had had enough of her not understanding that she truly needed to change so I left it up to her to change and expected that I could still love her during that time.. but she gave me less than a week after I told her what I wrote in quotes above and she basically kicked me out the apartment that day of the fight.  I would still be there taking all of it with a grain of salt and being treated horribly on a daily basis.. What I was not strong enough to do was truly show her love during that whole process... Thats what she picked up on.. thats why she started the fight.. Honestly .. I couldn't bring myself to show affection and love for someone such as herself any longer.. I thought I could but the more I forced myself , the more I felt I was disrespecting myself and allowing my loving energy to be tainted by some dirty energy.. thats the best explanation of it .. She made me feel dirty if I got too close.. I may not see auras but hers at least FEELS like slimy toxic waste.  How can you hold something like that in your arms and truly love it? =(

We have been apart for about 3 weeks now.  I felt most of our relationship that I should leave her but some part of me made me stay... I think I know why... She reminded me so much of myself in my relationship with my ex fiance and now that I look back on this relationship , Although I was not this horrible to my ex fiance , I still appreciate myself for sticking it out and at least communicating with her as much as I did to try to warn her that she needed to change for me... Thats something my ex fiance didn't do for me.  I feel in some way I needed to experience someone so horrible in my life so that I can be that much stronger for someone else who comes along..  I put up with a lot .. cheating , lieing , stealing , and in the end her laying her hands on me....  She covered all the DON'Ts of a relationship whereas I covered none.. Not only did I learn a lot about myself but I'm sure she now looks at me about the same as I look at my ex fiance and is wondering, or at least will wonder "whoa... look at what I lost.."   

I never wrote any of this to prove me being right and her wrong.. this is truly an honest thread about how I really feel worried that there may be someone new in my life right now that loves me so much in such short time and I'm having trouble really opening up so quickly to her although she seems like everything I've ever wanted in a girl and I know I love her.. I'm just missing that certain feeling inside that usually grows and flourishes..  I'm just hoping its the distance between us .. I see her only once a week.. this Friday being the second time seeing her in person.. Its amazing how much you can develope for someone over the phone .. I know it sounds pathetic but I just have a hunch that this is what I need to be doing in my life and I'm usually right about these gut feelings.  I hope its the distance and not some major blockage I might have due to how much I've put out for my ex and some part of me being too scared to do it again..  I'm the kind of person that has to be around the person I'm with and stare into their eyes to feel loved..  When I look directly into a girl's eyes I can feel so many things... Ill have a much better idea of how I feel for her come Friday when I visit again.  If she is as real as she sounds.. she sounds like my soul-mate no lie.. Thats hard to believe.. I thought I would never find someone whom I would consider my soul-mate material..  Maybe that has me a little doubtful on a whole other level.. *shrugs* 

Thanks for taking the time to give me some input on this Awakened_Mind.. I really appreciate it.

Very nice words of wisdom MisterJingo thats a great way to put it.  I find that the more you believe in it , the more powerful the sensations you get for both yourself and the person your trying to get to feel it.  Thats just my personal experiences with this phenomena.. If you want to believe in it .. why not at least try to put some belief in it and experiment for yourself

For me .. the default feeling of my energy (before I apply elemental feelings to it) it feels like a slight pressure escaping from my hands usually coupled with warmth even though my hands tend to be cold as ice most of the time.  Its a nice way to prove to people that this stuff is real for me because although my hands are ice cold they can feel some nice warm sensations coming off of them and they are confused to say the least.

When I push my energy out from both hands while they are just a couple of inches apart I feel like there is a magnetic force pushing them away and if I reverse it (suck energy back in from one hand to the other) it feels as if they are trying to pull closer... I like to play around with that feeling by constantly pushing and pulling the energy and reversing it faster and faster.. Its brings me to a very trance-like state that nearly makes me zone out sometimes it can be so strong and entrancing.  Its hard for me to do here lately possibly because I've stopped doing energy to random people like I used to on the bus ride from school.. Practicing everyday has benefits for sure... stop practicing and you'll definitely notice it.. so keep it up!

Hello everyone ,

     I need some advice.  I just got out of a relationship where I've basically given my heart and soul to a girl and tried to do everything right.  It ended so horribly though.. I gave her every ounce of loving energy and she crushed my heart to pieces.. I was the perfect gentleman to her and she ran me into the ground.  I can't stress enough how I really tried in this relationship to make it work and to show her unconditional love time and time again to no avail.  I put everything on the line and was done so wrongly throughout and in the end of the relationship.. to the point where I dont feel like I can love again for a long while without some kind of energy healing. How should I begin this healing process?? I need help!  How do I begin to let my love build for someone new if I feel it is stuck behind a steel wall inside my gut? Thanks for taking the time to answer me.

Read below if you want to know more details of what actually happened but I forewarn you its long and detailed.







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I dated a girl for 2 years.. What attracted me to her was the fact that she was in a bad environment and wanted so badly to escape to a better place and better herself.. or so I thought.  Being the person I am , I always want to help someone and to be attracted by her looks and personality at the time , I felt I could help her and we would really make it.  Over the course of time (2 years) we changed... I got her pregnant probably within the first week of actually meeting her , yes .. I know.. ,  and it made me grow up really quick.  On the other hand .. she did not seem to change much.. At the start of our relationship , we were two peas in a pod.. , one in the same , just alike ... We were irresponsible and without a care in the world.. indecent people with little to no consideration for others and a bad drug habit.  We stayed like this until the baby was born ... That day .. I changed entirely... I changed so much that it pushed her apart from me.. I became a father and took in the responsibilities brought forth of me.  She began to see this change but misinterpreted it entirely .. She thought I had become controlling and demanding when instead I was trying to teach her responsibility , a budget , and priorities.  This led to me feeling quite hopeless with her... she thought it would be better if she gave me a reason to leave her so she cheated on me... We broke up for a week and I took her back but only after I felt I understood why she did it and I truly forgave her.  We then moved out of my fathers home and into an apartment by ourselves.. I got a job while she stayed home wasting away.. She did not find a job for several weeks and when she finally did , she quit in a couple of days.  I had been working since the 3rd day we moved in and am still working at the same place even now (2 months later) she had worked for maybe a total of 3 days...  I was fed up with her in so many ways I had distanced myself to the point of non-communication with her. I had tried and tried to give her chance after chance to change and become a good and decent person capable of being a team-player in this little family of ours..  Instead she spent her time while I was at work , doing drugs with her friends and wasting my gas running people around when we had no money in our pockets.  I was disgusted by her.. I truly had tried until I could no longer even look her direction much less snuggle next to her at night.  I had lost it all for her and felt completely betrayed by her.  We were two totally different people at this point.. I had grown up and she was still a child. 

One day she got fed up with me ignoring her.  She told me to pack my things and leave or they would be in the yard by the time I got home from work.  I refused simply because I was paying the bills and it would endanger our daughter since she had no job.  She did not like that.. Keep in mind I'm a computer geek hardcore..  She kicks my computer across the floor knocking my tower over.. it was bad..  I got in her face and raised my voice.. If someone trashed your favorite something in your life you would do the same.. Thats all I planned to do was voice my opinion and tell her to stop and give me time to pack and leave.. She shoves me at that point.. I shove back and tell her never to lay a hand on me because I would never hit her.... The retaliatory shove was what set her off.. she comes at me swinging..  I still couldn't bring myself to hit her.. I simply dodged a couple of punches before I grabbed her wrists and told her to stop over and over..  This holding of the fists lasted a couple of minutes and she wasnt backing down..  The could not get free to punch me and I wasnt letting go until she yielded.  Then came a kick from her to my groin... That was it for me.. I knew I had to do something to end this fight and so I simply stuck my leg behind her legs and pushed her to the ground slamming her somewhat firmly only to make sure she would think twice before jumping back up and swinging again. 

After that scuffle , I packed my things up , went to work , and got arrested by an officer  at my job because she ended up going to the hospital (knowing good and well she was just fine) and after all , she made papers out on me first so I looked in the wrong.  She had nothing better to do .. with no job and all.. why not go to the hospital for pain pills and try to put me in jail .. kill two birds with one stone eh? 


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PART 2 (Summary)

Thats how it ended... 24 hours in jail and I realized I'm never going back to her. My problem is , I've been the best person anyone could ever ask for to her.. and it wasn't enough..  I've never lied to her .. never cheated on her .. nothing.. Always been a perfect gentlemen and helped her through any problems she faced.. took a stand and took up slack for our little family's sake.. I did no wrong... Everyone in her family knows this and there was countless times where they would nearly beg me to stay with her because "she is still young and needs to change and grow up" .. thats always been their words for me..  I used to listen..I'm afraid I've tried to hard to give to that girl until I had no more left to give and in the end she crushed what little I had left of me after all was said and done..  Ultimate betrayal.. I don't know if I know how to love anymore after this.. I thought we would laster forever at some point in our relationship. I felt such a connection with her I thought it was meant to be.. soulmate material.. but never in my gut did I feel she was the ONE... I can honestly say that.. I don't feel like I'll ever find that person.. especially after going through something like this.. I'm so scarred its seriously not funny..


Now that we are separated for good .. I've met someone new.. Its only been a week but she sounds like the perfect person for me.  We are both falling hard for each other and she's already dropped the L bomb on me and is regarding me as her soulmate!! I know girls fall for me quick but never this quick and never so hard.  I'm falling just the same for her yet .. something is different..  I dont have the feeling in my gut yet.. I think I'm so scared to feel the love because I've given so much to someone who just sucked it out of me and never gave it back in return... Now someone is here and claims to want to be there for me and claims to care about me and everything she is telling me is good beyond belief! But why do I feel so empty still... My mind has fallen for her .. I am happy as all get-out .. thats for sure..  But the energy in my gut is missing.. its like I can't believe I love her and thus.. I cant feel the feelings generally associated with it although I want to so bad.. I know I love her but where is that loving feeling!?  I know its surpressed behind a massive barrier... I need to know how to break this barrier down..  My energy usually flows around the person I'm in love with and can be felt in every kiss.. yet I don't think its even escaping from me at all to grow for the person I'm with now.. This scares me because I know I love this girl but I don't think I'm capable of making her feel truly loved because I am missing this energy inside me.. its so surpressed and scarred I fear I cannot give myself completely to her.  What do I do?

Be careful about psipog.net .. I've tried many times to have a meaningful chat with some people in the psipog website chatroom.  They seem to be extremely arrogant , immature , and close-minded.. at least the moderators anyway.  I came into the room making casual conversation with a couple of people and got booted by the administrator because I was calling "Psi" energy "Ki , or Chi" instead... So , anyway , if you want to deal with people of that nature that seem to take extreme pleasure in abusing their administrative chatroom powers then heh.. thats the site for you.. The videos are also ones that can be easily faked and the pictures easily doctored so don't be too naive when believing anything on that site. I know its a popular site but I gave it a shot many times and each time I do I always end up getting booted from the chatroom from some power abusing nerd who takes pleasure in clicking the boot button on me.. its pathetic.

I can relate to Kiwibonga's description of how "anchoring" helps to sustain an OBE.  I actually found this out through my own experiences as well and its worked for me many times to resist the strange tugging sensation of waking up.

When I'm out of body and I get the feeling that I'm losing control of things I simply stop what I'm doing and focus on an object near me.. it could be a wall , a floor tile , a vehicle.. anything.. I simply take a good look at it and mentally remind myself "I'm out of body , I'm out of body" .. As I do this , I try to focus very hard on the texture of the object and the color of it and anything I can see of it.. Shortly after doing this , I feel like I have somehow recharged my astral body enough to stay out longer .. the tugging sensation immediately subsides and allows me to continue exploring for a while until I seem to have to do the little trick again later.

Its so nice to find out that I'm not the only one that uses this trick and I like how you call it "anchoring" Kiwibonga.  It sure feels like the right word for it!

I've had some experience pass through a battery once.. I was trying to leave my house through my window while OBE and everytime I tried to walk through the wall where my window was , I felt something at the hip pulling me back.. it was like someone tugging on my backside.. Late to find out , there was a batter on the window sill , a 9v .. it was about the same size object that seemed to have a hold on me while OBE.

I also went OBE one night with my dog laying beside me.. after paralysis kicked in and I tried to move outward , I felt a distinct feeling around where my dog had been laying beside me.. It was a feeling of something holding me back .. The same feeling the battery made while trying to get out the window .. It was as though energy sources (or other beings/animals) might be more dense to pass through than an inanimate non-electric device? 

Thank you all for your input!

One thing I've noticed is that I definately feel the loving energy reaching out from me to my child and vice versa mostly when she is laying on my chest just like CFTraveler said.  I even sense an enourmous amount of energy coming off the baby and its extremely warm. I take it as a good sign and I even questioned the possibility of the baby being too hot at that time .. but due to the overhead fans and the overall temperature in the room.. this was not the case.  I certainly would not be surprised if my baby grew up to be phsycic or inclined in some kind of metaphysical way. 

Something else that I'm wondering about is the fact that while I'm holding her .. I'll see her eyes following something that apparently is behind my head and higher up.. One night she was following something with her eyes in such a way that I turned around to see if there was anything there...and she was smiling so much.  I wouldnt put it past any newborn or toddler to be able to see entities and I'm wondering if thats what she keeps watching while I'm holding her.. This is all a big learning experience to me and one I'm enjoying very much..

Thank you all again for your input and I wish you all the best!