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i was being sarcastic, then agreeing with you.

like i was saying, if this were really as simple as putting "thoughts in water" someone would have seen this years and years and years ago when the microscope was first developed.  you know someone with a microscope thought, "Hey let me look at this vial of water, then let me put it outside over night to freeze it and look at it again".  And then you know someone else would have had the same ideas.  If there really was a difference in the "mindstate" of the observer then somewhere there would be discrepancies in the documentation of the observations.

Well someone did and has, I was taught how to program water back in the 70's by someone that had been doing it for at least 40 years before. You can program it with thought, by shining colored light on it, or charge it with the sun or moon and with magnets and crystals.  It has been used in India for at least a hundred years with good results, programing/charging it with different things to heal/cure different ailments.

I didn't look through all 27 pages, so this may already been addressed. If so sorry.

I saw a mention of someone creating a beast. This is probably a construct.
A construct is a thought form that had been created that has an intent, a purpose and energy. They are usually created for a single purpose. A beast could be created as a guardian or protector, or as an attack thought form sent to attack your enemy.

There are lots of information on constructs, Servitors and other artificial beings, just google it.

Most if not all the "Gods" and "Goddesses" that are part of all religions started out as nothing more that thought forms created and enforced by the millions of people that pray to them(believe in them). They have gained their power from the prayers and are now sentient beings, that have the powers that people have contributed to them.  So if they were not real to start with, they are now, because of the thoughts and energy given them by the people that believe in them. 

That's what i'm inclined to think too.

First lets look at the meaning of Occult. Occult means hidden, nothing more. So that can not be either good or evil, only hidden.
The only evil in any magick is the intent of the person using it. If they are using it for the "good of the all" then it is not evil. If on the other hand they are using it to harm another then that might be considered evil by some.
Is it more evil that hitting someone that you are mad at, or doing something physical to them or their property, probably not. And most people do not consider things like that evil, unless you kidnap them and torture them, then they might consider it evil.
So what people consider evil has little to do with the results, only the method. For those that believe in Satan, the involving of him is considered evil. I will let it go at that.

Magick has no limit, sacred really
but its not howd u would expect or hope, see magick is too powerful ro be used for mediocre tasks
in reality its in moments like when you look into a blind mans heart and a vision of light appears, i dont wanna rant or Rev,J.J this but Magick in its true form is seriously too powerful for many to comprehend

Countless people are misinterpreting biological, mental, and Physical phenomena/abilities

point is there is not limit to magick kid but some things are Sacred and you dont mess with them at all, there is such a thing called good and bad, no excuse for good intentions or grey areas, i find it ironic how we have consciousness it is in stilled to know what is Right, like jimmy cricket

one good Example and just quick sketch
The ability to make a new living breathing Life is a...well you call it god, magick,etc but most importantly its SACRED

warning somethings in this world can be living and breathing but without a consciousness

You and your beliefs are what limit magick, if you believe that it is impossible then it is, if you believe that it is possible then it is.

"warning somethings in this world can be living and breathing but without a consciousness" I wonder how you came to this conclusion, please explain.

 I saw this on another thread and thought it was good enough to start another topic.

"I remember watching a Horizon TV programme about 10 maybe 15 years ago where a scientist had figured out that water has memory. They had a fish tank and immersed a copper coil into the deionized or pure water within. They then sent an electric charge through the coil. When they took a spectrograph of the water after removing the coil it still retained the memory of it. Even when they sloshed the water around the image was still visible. I distinctly remember the other scientists on the programme getting excited saying how wonderful it will be in the future when all you need do is stand a glass of water near a special phone (maybe this was before internet) and the doctor need only send information down to it, causing it to take on the properties of the requires medicine."

There are a lot of YouTube videos now about imprinting water with energy and thoughts. One healing method that I have used for fifty years or so is by imprinting water with energy/color and other things.  I place water in a glass bottle and then expose it to a colored light, (Chromotheorpy) then have the person drink a little throughout the day.  I also place crystals under the water (in the dark) to imprint the water with the characteristics of the crystals, or use magnets. I have also used the sun and moon light to imprint the water. Each have different effects.

You can find information on color healing, crystal healing and the use of magnets for healing, the imprinted water acts the same as what is stated using the light/crystals and magnets. The best part is that you don't need to work with the client for days or weeks, you just give them the imprinted water and it does the work for you.   

   http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_healing_discussions/imprinting_water_and_other_things-t41358.0.html

I watched an interesting show the other night called "Dark Matters". In it, they dramatize some true events that are bizarre but are none the less considered true. The show depicted the story of George Price, whom at the time was an Atheist. He was an amateur mathematician who worked out a theorem that proves that altruism is an evolutionary trait that helps insure that one's genes are passed on and is therefor selfish by design.

I understand the concept but not the theorem. To be considered a theorem, it must always be true in all examples given. Even in hypothetical examples.

Here is a wiki link to the theorem:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_equation

If anybody can explain this to me in layman's terms, I would be grateful. I have a healthy understanding of algebra and geometry but this is beyond me.

"I understand the concept but not the theorem. To be considered a theorem, it must always be true in all examples given." 
No theorem is always true, people formulate a theorem and then set out to prove it is right, so if anything over about 75% of the times the experiments agree with the theorem they say the theorem is correct. Most of the time if it is right over 95% of the time it will once others also test it, it will be considered a "law of Physics" or whatever field it is in. The times when it didn't work, are considered faulty technique or some other way to justify why it didn't work. None of the "Universal Laws" have ever been 100%. So just because you get hundreds of experts telling you something can't be done because of some law or another, laugh at them and do it anyway. Maybe you can only get it to work one time out of twenty or fifty times, that just proves what I stated above. Remember, expectations affects the results and their expectations may have been the main reason that they got the answers they were looking for most of the time resulting in "proving" their theorem.

The answer is... any.

There's no magical, specific meditation to do anything in particular.  They all do the same thing... just in different ways.

The goal in meditation is the mountain peak.  You may take any number of paths up the mountain to reach it... and believe me, there are *MANY* different paths.  LoL

I learned this technique many years ago, back in the 70's
Have a pencil/pen and paper ready. At the top write dear (your first name) and then formulate the question in you mind. (I write my question on the top of the page along with the date, and keep a journal) Go to the Alpha state and then imagine that you are communicating with your higher self. Start writing what you are now receiving. You will be surprised in many cases by what you get.

I have told many people about this technique and most everyone can do it.

I have noticed a few glitches like street names changing.  And other stuff I wont get into.

I see the thread is old so probably not many will read this, but I believe it might be part of the multiple universe idea. Myself, I grew up in a universe where things were logical, and I remember things that I was taught in college and for about ten years after, that in this world never happened. I believe that somehow I am now in this universe where logic is not very real. I have no other explaination for why everything appears illogical now.