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Im trying to have an obe 9months now. with no success.
I cant achieve Mind awake body asleep or  "sleep paralysis" or  F10 however you prefer to call it.
I tried all posible methods, listened to all kinds of hemi syncs, practiced day and night. Im totaly desperate.
Why do i have to work so hard with no results while i have friends who projected in a matter of weeks. Ahh...
Its not fair 
Can someone please comment on how they achieve F10?

I highly recommend using over the counter suppliments in particular Galantamine and Choline as described in the book:

"Advanced Lucid Dreaming the Power of Suppliments" by Thomas Yuschak. I almost always have an OBE after taking these suppliments. They are not mind altering in anyway, however, they do allow you to achieve that mind awake body asleep state.  The difficulty that I find is that when the mind is awake you don't believe your body is asleep so you keep waiting for the right moment to try to project. With the supplements you will notice more easily that you are dreaming and once you notice this you know your mind is awake and your body is asleep you can either project at that point or notice that you are having a lucid dream and take control of the dream....which is the same thing as projecting. More likely though, with these suppliments you will need to project from your body rather than awaken within a dream. Thus you will need to know how to project. In any case, I don't always use or need the suppliments, however, they are good to remind me of what techinques work and what don't. Keep at it...by far the thing that works best is a strong desire to project.

Has anyone considered that this is a perfectly natural consequence of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (and the observer effect) at work? (See quantum mechanics for the theory)

So the card's state is actually undetermined, until someone on the physical plane observes it. Maybe observation on the astral is unable to fulfill the contract of the observer effect.

So: try the experiment thus: Have someone ELSE observe the card, on the physical plane. Don't let them tell you. This should "lock in" the choice of card on the physical plane. Then observe on the astral and let us know the results.

Excellent suggestion....I'll have my wife look at the card and not tell me....thanks.....

I think this ties in strongly with the concept of consensus reality.

We can't see things if we don't allow them to be, in our reality. However, there is a "window of opportunity" mentioned by Bruce Moen, wherein we are taken by surprise, and for that brief moment, something which conflicts with our reality is "allowed" to happen. Then we do damage control and find something rational to explain it.

I had writing appear on my computer screen when fully conscious and without me having typed it. Believe me, I found many rational explanations for it which are just as compelling as the supernatural one. Yet it happened.

I think we need to find ways to change our consensus reality so that more interesting things become possible. They are possible, we just always find a "rational" explanation for them.

My world/spiritual view is very consistent with the existance of Astral Projection. I would be surprised if it turns out to actually be a mind game. I do believe the validations of others.....however, to date I have not been able to validate the experience myself.

You have really peaked my interest in your computer experience. Would you please share what information appeared on your computer screen?  Thanks...

I've been having OBE's and lucid dreams for about 30 years now. I have them frequently about once a week on average. Since the time of my first OBE I've studied and read many books on the subject and many many books on spirtuality. My view of the world has changed dramatically since my first OBE and I do believe in reincarnation and life after death. That being said, I have yet to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the OBE experience is more than a trick of the mind. Here are some of the experiments I've tried (and failed) to prove the "realness" of the experience:

1. placed a random card face up and viewed it while out of body: I could see the card but it constantly changed while I viewed it. In the end I never correctly identified the card. Experiment performed 4 times.

2. Placed a closed box ,with an unknown item inside, inside my room. I try to reach inside the box and identify the item. Never could. Experiment performed about 5 times.

3. Tried speaking to my wife while out of body. She never rememberd having had the conversation. Experiment performed maybe 3 times.

4. Tried identifying a written word left out by my wife...never could. Experiment performed 3 times.


Here are some things that make me think it might be "real":

1. I've felt my astral cord.
2. I've opened my real eyes while my arms were out of my body and I saw my astral hands.


If anyone can suggest an experiment they have done that has succeed in convincing them beyond a shadow of a doubt that this experience is more than an illusion/delusion of the mind I would like to hear about it. Thank you in advance.

So since I posted the above, I've been carrying out another experiment. In my room I have a shoe box which I've cut out a slit and added a night light to. I place a ESP type card (i.e. a card with a symbol on it...ex. triangle, star, square...etc) in the box. This card can be viewed by looking though the slit. I randomly choose the card to be viewed from a deck of about 30 cards. I do not look at the card when I place it in the box. I light the box every night before I go to bed and I attempt to view the card while I project. So far I've viewed the card about 6 times....but not once have I gotten it correct. In fact the image I see is not an image in my deck. For example, last night I viewed a flower in the box while in fact it was a half moon. I don't intend to give up this pursuit but I am disappointed by my results. A more sceptical person would say I've proved that Astral Projection is nothing but a mind game.

Is there any pills or substances that are supposed to specifically induce vibrations? and pls just reply if you know of any. Thanks.

Oh my yes. I strongly recommend you purchase the book:

"Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements "  by Thomas Yuschak

There are over the counter vitamin supplements that do wonders for inducing OBE's...in particular "Galantamine". I've had some of the most amazing OBE experiences using the recommendations in this book. Taking the supplements I can nearly always have an OBE. These supplements are not mind altering  in anyway but are rather a tool to allow you to more easily have OBE's. I highly recommend this book.  Actually I just joined this board and I'd be surprised if there isn't a seperate thread on just this subject.

have you tried something more solid? larger objects maybe. cards can be very tricky lol

find a place in google maps and go there  explore it
and then look ad the google earth to compare

look for something you lost to see if you can locate it
people in different time zones and what were they doing while you project

ask your wife to hide a thing that you re very familiar with and try to find it.

No need to ask...that's what she does for a living .... LOL...thanks

I've been having OBE's and lucid dreams for about 30 years now. I have them frequently about once a week on average. Since the time of my first OBE I've studied and read many books on the subject and many many books on spirtuality. My view of the world has changed dramatically since my first OBE and I do believe in reincarnation and life after death. That being said, I have yet to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the OBE experience is more than a trick of the mind. Here are some of the experiments I've tried (and failed) to prove the "realness" of the experience:

1. placed a random card face up and viewed it while out of body: I could see the card but it constantly changed while I viewed it. In the end I never correctly identified the card. Experiment performed 4 times.

2. Placed a closed box ,with an unknown item inside, inside my room. I try to reach inside the box and identify the item. Never could. Experiment performed about 5 times.

3. Tried speaking to my wife while out of body. She never rememberd having had the conversation. Experiment performed maybe 3 times.

4. Tried identifying a written word left out by my wife...never could. Experiment performed 3 times.


Here are some things that make me think it might be "real":

1. I've felt my astral cord.
2. I've opened my real eyes while my arms were out of my body and I saw my astral hands.


If anyone can suggest an experiment they have done that has succeed in convincing them beyond a shadow of a doubt that this experience is more than an illusion/delusion of the mind I would like to hear about it. Thank you in advance.