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Thanks, Lamaza,

As for why...hadn't really thought that much about it beyond "the whole idea of exploring things outside of this physical reality seems really cool" until you asked.  The aforementioned, certainly, but I also like the idea of being able to "visit" people or places, say for example, family out of state (though of course it would be a one way visit, since they wouldn't know I'm there, plus, while I've read of people doing this, I've also read that the realtime zone is a copy of the physical, not actually the physical, so not sure how feasible it is to actually see what's going on in the physical). 

When I read the linked doorway thread, I had to smile when you mentioned people saying they can't visualize, because, well, that's me.  Ask me to close my eyes and visualize an apple, and I'll close my eyes and visualize...wait for it...my eyelids.  I dream though, so obviously I can visualize, because I do.  It's just the visualizing on demand that I've always had trouble with.  Back to my apple example, I can think about it in words, and describe its color, shape, texture, etc., but not actually "see" it.  Same with the other senses.  If I take a bite of this imaginary apple, I can describe the taste, but not actually "visualize" for lack of a better word, the taste.

The exercises in the doorway thread seem interesting.  I wonder, if I practice the doorway exercise enough, if I will actually get beyond the point of thinking of adjectives that describe the door.   

Hello.  I'm new to this forum as well as new to AP...not new with the concept as I've heard about it before, but now beginning to attempt to project.  I have yet to have my first projection (though I gather some theorize that we are projecting to the astral plane when we sleep and dream, and I have come to lucidity in dreams before). 

Anyway, I try to project, but it seems that I just lie there sometimes for hours, either giving up due to boredom or getting tired of resisting the urge to move, or my awareness simply succumbs to sleep along with my body.

Sometimes I get some vibrations, which would seem to be a good sign, but they're not very intense and I am still VERY aware of my physical body, so I'm not sure if they're the vibrations that one goes through on the way to projecting.

Anybody got any tips?

I hope I'm not committing a newbie faux pas responding to a thread that hasn't been posted in for several months, but as a Christian, this is a question I've been dealing with.  Right now, it is my belief that AP isn't necessarily I say right now because my stance is that it is good to be open to standing corrected if I come to realize my understanding of scripture is erroneous.

Here's the thing:  while I do believe the Bible to be accurate and without error, we who read it are NOT without error.  Verses can be taken out of context, to, either deliberately or inadvertaintly, seem to say something that was not intended when it was written.  We also need to consider that language changes.  A lot of people have a tendency to treat the Bible like it was written yesterday.  It wasn't.  It didn't just fall off a turnip truck.  We need to interpret scripture based on what the words meant in the time period in which those scriptures were written.

As for astral projection, people often say it is bad and point to scripture that speaks against witchcraft.  Now, I'm no theological expert, but I've yet to be convinced that those verses have to do with AP.  Again I am not afraid to stand corrected but at this point I haven't been convinced that the Bible condemns AP. 

Not only that, but as has been pointed out in this thread there are scriptures that describe things that may be astral projection.  Like Paul's third heaven experience, indicating he didn't know if he was in his body or out, which implies it is possible to have been out of body.  Or like Revelation.  Now I can say one thing without doubt:  God is not going to use demonic means to communicate with people.