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Time..a figment of our imagination or....Bah, skip all that introduction stuff..All I know is that we are all short of TIME.

I live with a few other people..people who are not so...welcome to this kinda thing...people who dismiss my whole involvement in magick and enochin as a fantasy or skitzofrenia, heh.

I havn't...attempted to go OB or AP since I started getting unsure and questioning of the entire thing (something I recently learned is a very big obstacle.

Anyway, I am very short of time at this exact moment, I will get right to the point:

How much TIME passes when you go OB? Or into the astral in general? I am constantly being disturbed by some outside action and therefore cannot OB or anything properly without getting interrupted

Last time I attempted to go OB, I did, slightly above my body, flutterring and getting used to the feeling .....when suddenly somebody came in and I BANGED back into body, feeling like I had been punched in the stomach.

Is there someway to alter your conciousness so this does not happen so easily....or someway to figure out how much time has passed since you went OB?

I've had the same experiances...one that particulary was violent and the spirit or whatever it was pulled on my leg, yanking me off the bed. Lousy bastards...I chased it for a bit...it got away. The next night I was ready, being trained in psychic combat related sport-I slipped OB-waited for the thing, where I proceeded to look like I was sleeping.

Eventually, I saw a rippling, a gateway, a door, an astral doorway in my freaken WALL! (it's still there:p) I waited, a black kinda inky thing came out, almost like ink flowing off a table. I waited, got charged up, blasted it several times until it went away...this time, for good;)

I don't advise "rousing" the spirits, though, I got lucky-this thing was just a parasite or some shadow thingie having a rather annoying steak of fun.

I advise a simple "banishing spell", ignore the rumors about wiccans and witchcraft related things being too "fluffy bunny" -that kinda spell really works wonders. I will post a bit of it, in here, when I can find the one I used. Mind you, they don't work for long, maybe a couple of weeks, depending on how you do it and how strong you command it...etc..

It is also wise to apply sheilding to yourself and the room, I will also provide some techniques, in this thread, when I find them

~Kaje

Some people tend to say: OBE-out of body experiance
OB-outta body
OoB-out of body
OoBE-Out of body experiance

All the same thing, just shorter abreviations;)

Share the wealth^, beavis! []

I think that about rules out the "blurry vision"...perhaps you DID step out of body, out of desperation or on the peak of death, perhaps?

Don't flame me for this, but I like to rule out the "mundane" before deciding on the "non-mundane" answer. Could it be possible you simply suffered from lack of circulation when you woke up so suddenly? When you sleep (or lie down for long peroids of time) the blood in your body spreads out to "level" the other nessacary systems in the body. I think the blood suddenly rushing to the new locations, when you sat up, triggered a mental "block" or "phaze"...the brain wasn't recieivng enough oxygen and blood and all-so it stopped working the visual nerves and started trying to....pick itself back up again.

quote:I wake up out of body sometimes. It doesn't happen very often, but for some reason it seems to happen more often when I'm on the ocean or near the ocean. I'm sure this has to do with the things I know, but won't say right now, because that's another topic altogether.

Could it be the possibly stronger gravitaitonal pulls the moon inflicts on the oceans? Your hormones and bodily juices could have been affected, as well, the same thing happens to me when I'm near the ocean.

Hopefully we can slow the talking and start the walking

Hmm..I think I can help you with that..look me up in email, the stuff I would have to post is copywritten by another source...I'll rewrite it a bit and email it to you, ok? It's about "finding your spirit guide" "bringing her/him/it to you". I think it's exactly what you are looking for...they are very good...my spirit guide is beside me right now, I'm glad I found him, he's guided and protected me from many foregin things in the astral projection processes.[xx(]

Hmm...I did an essay writing on "astral planes and ley line projections" nearly a year ago, I'll try and dig it up for you-I think that's what happened here.

You said your friend Jackie lives in Italy now? And that wasn't her dog but your dad said it was? It sounds, to me, like you've somehow projected onto another plane or time frame. Another dimension, so to speak, where this dog IS jackie's and she DOES live in the USA-not your reality-where she lives in Italy.

I know this must sound completley insane and I may be a little newbie (2 posts! go me! hehe) to this board, but I strongly believe you have slipped through the planes and timeframes-not a big slip, seeing how not much (I think, I could be wrong) has changed.

Are we communicating to different planes innfinately? Just by you being THERE and me being *HERE*...wherever here is...confusing subject, I hope nobody flames me for this reply and calls me a wanker...I would really hate that [] It's just my belief, ^that's what happened

quote:Originally posted by beav31is

DOA "Taking drugs damages the physical body why would you think it wouldnt damage the subtle bodies?"

Getting sliced up with a sword and lots of other stuff damages the physical body only.



Amanita Muscaria is a LEGAL mushroom that induces an OBE.

I think it was a good question, actually, beavis...I can imagine your astral body suffers some "fluxs" but nothing major....I can IMAGINE....I don't know...very interesting question...never thought about that...my regards to the author!

I've heard most drugs like marijuana and cannabis/THC/LSD/angel dust, etc etc etc. stimulate a certain area of the brain, excuse my slowness-i know that's what we've been talking about all this thread-, but is it possible that these drugs could actually CLOSE and depress those areas? Like with eating sugary sweets...sure, a couple feel good and highten your senses-but in the long run you can suffer from obesity and toothlessness. Does that make any sense?