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#1
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Fear
September 27, 2021, 10:05:52
Hi Omcasey

I generally try obe each night at bedtime, so around 11pm - 12am. I then try WBTB from around 5am.
I must admit prior to reading your post I had decided that I should make time during the day for attempts and see if it is the same. Although the fear does not always happen even at night so will probably take a while to find out.
From listening to the videos that were suggested I think that it is just a test that I must get through so that I am ready for the next step. I had expected fear tests, but always assumed I would have something there to cause the fear, like entities or scary situations, what threw me was the fear that overwhelmed me when I couldn't see or sense anything to be fearful of.

I did start to meditate every day at one point but gradually let it slip. It is something I am trying to get back to doing as a daily practice, I am just not sure I have found the correct method for me yet. I do feel it is a key part of this though.

I have practiced breathing through my nose at a slow rate for quite sometime so that is quite natural to me. The Ujjayi breath I will try

When you talk of journaling, is this a dream diary, a journal of attempts or a journal of everything ?
#2
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Fear
September 26, 2021, 08:20:35
I am sure I will be presented with many more tests and hopefully I learn to cope with them.

Thank you for the help and information.

#3
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Fear
September 25, 2021, 19:25:54
Hi Escape Velocity, thank you for the detailed reply.

It is definitely the second type of fear that I am experiencing.

I will try the affirmations you suggest.

Thank you also Lumaza, I will check out Toms video.

Just to clarify, I have worked through the first type of fear and no longer have that, I have had sleep paralysis, been in the void, heard the loud noises and voices etc and none of these experiences caused me any concern, I think I have read so much I was kind of expecting them to happen at some point. The second type of fear I was not expecting nor could I understand, as I was relaxed and there was nothing fearful happening. I think as EV suggested it must be some kind of safety mechanism
#4
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Fear
September 25, 2021, 07:34:35
I have been trying to get out of body for most of my life. I first heard about it through reading Lobasang Rampa books when I was 13, I am 60 now.
When I first started out I was trying numerous times a day and also at night pretty much every day for years, I then tired of trying and let it go. I would find a bit of interest again every few years and try for a short periods of time but never had much success. The more information that became available once the internet became available, the more I felt it was just gifted people who could project, and even then everything had to be perfect and the length of time out of body was short and limited, not to mention the experience dissolving like a dream if it wasn't recorded in some way, that was the impression I had at least, as a result I gave up trying altogether for many years.
I have had a few small experiences along the way, just enough to let me know there is something, strangely the most vivid experience was in the middle of the day, I was stood up leaning on the back of my truck with a group of people, I drifted off into a whole different world that was absolutely real, I felt I could have stayed there had I wanted but made a conscious decision to come back. The people I was with said I was just staring into space for a period of time, this experience happened when I had had no interest in obe for many years.
I have now become interested again and am determined that I am going to make this work. I have been trying for the last few months, partly with monroes wave 1/ other binaural type beats and partly with techniques and meditation. I did appear in the void for a few seconds once and have had some faint visions in the darkness behind my eyelids on a few occasions but nothing else so far. The one thing I have noticed is that I keep getting a very strong sense of fear, but I have no idea what I am fearful of. I have been through the normal fear when trying to project in the past where your heart races and you know your just scared of what might happen if your attempt works, this is very different though, I am calm, rational, pulse rate is normal etc. It a very overwhelming fear or sense of something bad, this only happens when I lay down and attempt to have an obe. Is this normal, has anyone else felt something similar?