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It's soooooo sloooooooow.  Why is the Forum so slow?  Takes me 38 seconds to open a page, another 38 seconds to close it.  That is over a minute per page!  I have been here for ages and only looked at a couple of posts.  Please dont send me any more private messages it's too painful.

My first OBE doesn't count because I got Astral tricked back into my body.

I woke up this morning and did NEW, then had a bath and thought I would get some meditation in while not being disturbed at all.  Havent managed some free time in a month.  I think at the back of my mind I was intending to have an OBE.  So I got into bed, put my eyeshades on as the sun was shining bright in my room.  Put some earplugs in, just in case the cat started making a fuss or some double glazing salesman chanced to knock on the door.  Was perfect, I was relaxed from my bath, knew the phone wouldn't ring for a few hours, and being lovely and sunny I had no fears.  I was so cosy, I probably fell asleep but became conscious at some stage when this old man started talking to me, probably in a dream, but for some reason I felt my lungs start to be squeezed which kind of woke me up.  Then, without any warning I felt the vibrations, and I was instantly alert.  I concentrated hard on not getting scared and just sinking into them.  Those vibrations shook me to the core, I felt myself being pulled backwards into them and then float upwards a little bit.  Suddenly it was quiet I opened my eyes but I saw the back of my eyeshades and realised I'd opened my physical eyes, I quickly shut them hoping I hadn't blown it. So I tried to get out of my body - nothing happened - I got frightened.  I was in some sort of void, couldn't feel anything anywhere, couldn't move, couldn't see.  I thought now you've really done it, you're going to be floating around in no-man's land for eternity.  But even as I thought this, I started feeling something.  Still couldn't see anything but I remembered from a previous dream to remove my eyeshades, which I did.   Several dreams I have had (may have been OBE's) where I cant see, I got the idea to physically remove what was blocking my sight, which works for me.  I can now see and find myself carefully crawling on my hands and knees down to the end of the bed - I was so scared of making any sudden movements and finding myself back in my body.  Who knows if I can manage do this again?  Anyway, I note with dissapointment that my room is dark (in reality it was filled with sunshine).  There is a spotlight above the bed.  I carefully crawl further down the bed, there is a notepad lying there in the rumpled covers, I thought that's strange.   I wonder what will happen when I crawl onto it.  It makes a crackling paper noise just as it would if it was real - I'm impressed.  There was something on the pad but I couldn't make out what it was, or maybe I was just more interested in the changes to my room, wanted to take it all in before it ended.  My bedroom door was not where it should have been.  It was now at the end of my bed and open, through it I could see there was some clutter lying on the floor in the hall.  I sat up and looked out the window.  Another dissapointment.  There was not the expected landscape.  I could still see lots of trees but they werent the same trees and the colours were all wrong, too much blue.   I realised the scene was reminiscent of the oil painting that I am working on at the moment.  So I crawled back up the bed on the other side.  There was a small crystal type of spotlight on the wall above the bed where I lay.  I went to touch it but it quickly moved to the side and switched off.  I could see it, hiding in the shadows.  The wide beam of light that it had shed was still there and was solid.  I reached out and touched it, it was like cotton wool, I wrapped it around me like you would try on a coat.  I took it off.  Then I suddenly couldn't breath - there was something wrong with my lungs and I was feeling quite ill, I clutched my chest.  Next thing,  I was instantly back in my body behind my real eyeshades and I had to physically cough.  I'm lying there quite excited at what had happened but even as I try to recall details they were fading.  The memory was more dreamlike than most of my dreams, apart from the physical feelings I had experienced.  I am so dissapointed...  I guess I expected too much.  I was hoping to see the sunshine and found my room was dark.  I did not feel well through the whole episode, but I've just remembered in Astral Dynamics Robert says to move away from your body.  I dont remember seeing my body but I was crawling around myself or where my body would have been.  Again I was too interested to take everything in to actually look at myself.  And the way the memory quickly fades, even before I am quite back in my body was also a dissapointment.  I feel like I have achieved something but it was not what I expected.

I had the most weird experience during this afternoon's snooze.  Found myself to be having a bit of an erotic dream.  I was kissing/being kissed, by whom/what I couldn't see.  In the midst of this kiss I found there was a small section of tomatoe in my mouth, and also a small sliver of onion, as though I had just put a spoonful of salad in my mouth.  I rolled this tomatoe over my tongue and could taste the tangy flavour and feel the texture in great detail.  Suddenly I became a little more aware and thought this was not normal, even within a dream.  I found that I couldn't see too well but I reached out to grab what I had been interacting with and felt something like a parrots beak.  As I pulled it towards me it seemed to elongate in my hands, the top half of the beak becoming a long curve stretching as I pulled it towards me.  I felt further down and felt what appeared to be fine feathers or hair off very thin and sinewy arm/leg?  I could not even explain what I had in my hands, it was totally alien to me.  I then pulled it right up to my face so that I could see it clearly.  I then seemed to open my eyes, I could see that I was in bed and I noticed the bedroom window in the background, but I could not see my hands in front of my face or what I was holding even though I knew they were right there in front of me.  Then it suddenly hit me that I was in a lucid situation and I thought to immediately try to project while I had this opportunity.  I let go of the 'thing' and seemed to inch my legs up the bed until they were underneath me and I tried to jump as hard as I could to leave my body.  It didn't work, it was like being stuck in toffee.  I couldn't think what to do, so I tried turning around.  I rotated to the left, completely turned with ease.  So then I thought I would try turning around to the right, as I did so, I noticed something in the corner of my eye, some shadow.  I looked at it and there appeared to be 2 or 3 corners to my eye, like double, triple vision.  Then I started to feel incredibly tired as the shadows started to close up my vision, I completely lost consciousness for a second before waking up as normal.  Anybody explain this?  Why couldn't I leave my body but I could rotate within it?  Did I already have a projection going at the time?  And was some entity taking my energy during the process of the kiss?  Has this happened to anybody else?  Why did I black out before I could wake up?

If there is purpose in life, if there is meaning, what is the meaning of children who are abused and murdered?  Take the case of Jessica and Holly (UK).  I have thought about it a lot and no matter how hard I try, I cannot comprehend or understand why it happened.  And it happens all over the world, all the time.  There are so many terrible things going on, people hating and hurting each other - and I dont hear enough about the positive acts that people do.  It all seems bad, and really bad.  I cant stand it.  I dont want to be on the same planet with these people.  How do you make sense of the horror that goes on?  What lessons do we learn from terrible acts of evil, except to live in fear and hate?  I've got world blues, I will have to stop absorbing the news because I cant take it, makes me want to give up.

I did chakra exercises for the first time the other day.  Has anybody experienced certain phenomena when first starting NEW on the Primary centres?  I only did it once as I have been a bit lazy.

I saw a spider on my arm (astral sight) and keep feeling energy movement going off by itself.  I'm wondering if I have disturbed a few things, like having a bit of an energy clearout?

I know we have posted on this before, but I really would like some answers as to the connection between a physical ailment and pain experienced during meditation/trying for an OBE.  Today I had the time to sit down and meditate, went very deep, started to get vibrations which were then blocked by pressure in my stomache.  I then experienced quite severe pain in my stomache and on the side of my navel.  I held on to the trance state hoping it would clear but I continued to feel this pain, and movement around my stomache area, I felt sick, I started to worry that I was starting some appendicitus or something.  I felt rushes of adrenalin but then realised this sensation came from my heart chakra.  I eventually gave up my meditations - actually the milkman rang the doorbell!  And the pain was gone in a few minutes.

The thing is, I have been having stomache pains on and off all week.  So why does it present itself during trance and so strongly?  I think that maybe it's not possible to have an OBE when you have anything wrong with your physical body at all?  Perhaps, as the energy body generates itself, it picks up on physical pain?  Maybe some healing takes place?

This is going to sound pretty tame to those of you who are experienced but it's a great achievement for me.  

I was meditating but had actually been drifting in and out of sleep.  I had done all the rope, swing, jump exercises and had given up just to keep a blank mind.  I kept pulling myself out of sleep, telling myself I was supposed to be meditating not sleeping.  At one point I felt the familiar tingling in my body.  I knew -  this is it.  I got a moment of fear and held on, the tingling started to subside but I then said to myself  "it's now or never, if I come across something I don't like then I'll just have to deal with it" I relaxed and let go saying to myself "I trust in God, I trust in God I trust in God..."  Over and over – I was frightened, I couldn't help it.  The tingling had increased to a frenzy,  I felt like every darn nerve in my body was 'zinging' and vibrating, at sonic speed.  Just when I thought it was getting too much for me, it stopped.  Everything was quiet.  I thought "darn it didn't work".  Then, after a moment, I had this weird 'heavy' sensation like I was being sat upon by another body.  My legs flattened then my stomach, my chest – it didn't hurt and I didn't mind but it was heavy and usually the sort of thing that would have panicked me.  I was trying to figure out what was going on.  I felt all these things happening yet I couldn't see much.  I did see my lower legs move when they were being flattened and I had an image of my stomach being flattened but I think now, that is only because that is what it felt like.  I had no astral sight.  My mind was totally confused as to where I was, here or there, lying on the bed or off it.  I just didn't know what was going on.  Suddenly there is the loud sound of smashing glass, I got a shock, I suddenly see that my bedroom door is open and I think "Oh No, my partner has come home early, he's angry that he has caught me sleeping and has smashed something against the wall to wake me up!"  (something he would never do) Then I look further into the hall (don't know how I could do this when I am lying on the bed) and I see a policeman.  All this time I am struggling to get awake and it's really difficult, I couldn't get myself together, I was panicking trying to wake up.  I was wondering what the policeman was doing in my house, then I remembered the sound of broken glass, somebody must have broken in and I'm in such a deep trance I cant hear anything.  I finally manage to wake myself up and leap out of bed – there is nobody there...  Darn Astral tricks!!!!  

I am so happy though, I experienced the exit.   It's like a confirmation for me, I was getting discouraged with my practice and thinking it would never happen and then even doubting if it was possible. The exit wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, and hopefully I wont have that fear barrier next time.  What I never expected was the confusion of separation, my mind could not grasp what was going on.  I think in hindsight I left my body and a moment later got back into it (the feeling of being sat upon) then gained some astral sight and was then interrupted by those astral tricks.  And perhaps deep down I was feeling guilty for taking time out to meditate when I had a million things to do this afternoon.  Did I create the Policeman?

Amazingly a minute later my partner called and asked if I had called him.  

I seldom now experience those energy rushes that I initially got when raising energy, infact my last post was about the lack of sensations in general.  I have been doing NEW for a few months now and although I have less energy blockages than when I first started, I dont believe that I have cleared all blockages to the extent that I no longer get strong sensations.  However I am making some very interesting observations lately regarding my energy raising.  If I raise energy while sitting in my living room (which I do frequently)I barely get any sensations, once I did get a rush but that seems to have been a one off.  In bed at night, I have experienced very strong sensations but not very often.  However, every time I have raised energy whilst sitting in my car I have experienced strong sensations, or what I would call definate sensations in that I really feel the path and course of the energy without having to wonder if I'm doing it right or not.  The rest of the time I will raise energy but as it might be so subtle I might loose awareness of it as it passes through my back for example, and have to hope that my energy raising efforts were successful.  Somebody here once said that even though you might not feel the energy it is still working - this might be true but in order to feel positively charged from doing NEW, I think you really have to feel that energy going through you and you 'know' that you were successful.  I suspect that I am not raising enough energy half the time.  I now think that the environment is a major factor in this.  My living area as apposed to my car.  Maybe there is something to Feng Shui after all.  I cant say that my concentration is a contributer as in my home I am completely concentrated whereas in my car I am distracted by my immediate environment.  

The other day I was feeling awful, woke up with a stiff neck and had to go for lunch with people I didn't have 'the energy' for.  As my partner was driving I decided to raise some energy, I only managed one 'circuit' before my heart started pounding and adrenalin coursed through my body.  The pain in my neck instantly dissapeared and 5 minutes later I had that 'on top of the world' feeling.  This is what I mean when I refer above to feeling positively charged.  Whenever I get strong sensations or a 'good dose' I feel wonderful afterwards, as a direct result of energy raising.  When I raise energy and it feels very subtle, I dont get that feel good factor.  

So what I'm saying is that, for me, only 1 out of 5 energy raising attempts is successful (positively charged) and it seems to be due to where I am raising rather than how I am raising energy.  I would like to get positive results every time I raise energy.  

Now this is going to be a long post but bare with me.  I suffer from anxiety which I am forever trying to battle with, I've always said that I can face the fear if I have the energy - most days I just dont have the energy to 'do battle'.  I got into dream interpretation as a tool to find out what is the cause and today I remembered a dream I had had a year ago:  

The dream is set in ancient China, I am in an Arena and have to fight and defeat several apponents, which I do, and I get honours for my achievements.  My next apponent is a Chinese giant and however hard I try I cannot defeat him.  I hear 2 elders discussing my career and one says to the other that I can only win if I hang off the balcony and 'do this' - he rubs his stomache in circles to demonstrate what I have to do.

I interpreted the 'Giant' as my anxiety or fears.  I understood the hanging off the balcony part but could not get the 'rubbing my stomache in circles' bit.  Infact I wrote this up on the dream interpretation forum, I had recently read at that time 'The Healing Energy of the Tao' by Mantac Chia - so I wondered if the 'Sub-navel storage' area was the 'key'.  Anyway, nobody on the forum was working with or knew about energy and it was forgotten...

Ok, stay with me, today I had a bad attack of anxiety.  I had to take my partner to pick up his car and I was dreading the drive back home.  I hadn't eaten so I was feeling shakey anyway.  While waiting in my car, outside the garage, I raised some energy - got strong sensations and a minute later all anxiety gone...  Man, I put that pedal to the metal, stereo full blast and my partner and I had a race back home (I won!).  One minute I'm a nervous wreck, the next I'm 'alive'.  I think I've found a cure for my anxiety - that old Chinese guy in that dream was trying to tell me about raising energy, well maybe...

Anybody else experience energy in different strengths in different places?    

Ok, maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've been doing NEW for a few months now.  All those amazing sensations that I used to get have all but disapeared, all my blockages cleared?  I dont know about that...  So I cant remember why I'm doing this?  I cant really say that I am experiencing any benefits from doing NEW.  It's amazing, interesting and fascinating - but so is the Geography channel.  Now, I'm not going to stop doing NEW, as I've discovered something there but what it does exactly, I dont know, I just carry on hoping that it's doing something good for me.

Somebody please tell me the benefits, from their own personal experiences?        

I read this article the other day, about a company that is selling 'energy' claiming to cure all ills - of course if you dont get cured it would not be the energy's fault but yours!  According to the article, one HIV patient has been attending for over a year but no miraculous recovery as yet (imagine that).  And it costs you.  

"The Bank has taken every penny he had: 'I've spent my entire fortune', the 40-year-old concedes, 'and then some'.  By late last year, he was £30,000 in debt." Article by Peter Dench.

Apparently you sit in the Feng Shui'ed rooms "with legs apart, hands on thighs, mouths hanging open, as this is considered the best position for receiving energy"...  You also get taped lectures...

The Energy Bank - www.satellite603.com
   

I had so much to do today, but feeling a bit depressed, thought I would try and go into trance, see if I could clear the frame of mind I was in.  I lay on the couch and proceeded to meditate, at some time I became aware that I was in a trance - I must have dozed off.  I became aware (I just knew) that conditions were right for an OBE, my concsious mind then kicked in with silly questions, trying to sabotage me, like "what will you do when you get out?  What is the purpose?"  Another part of me shouted "Go!  You may not get another chance!"  The instant I decided to try for it, my heart centre started up like a motor, I was expecting it so it didn't bother me too much - however I did feel as though I was pinned to the couch through my heart.  But the most annoying thing was a flickering light, it wasn't bright (dull, dusky pink), it just flickered so fast that I started to squint, before you know it my whole face is screwed up and I think this annoying strobing is too much - I just had to open my eyes to see if there was something over my face - well that blew it!  

I have had a strobe once or twice, this was not powerful like that but so annoying!!!

I have never tried for an OBE before.  One night I felt I would be able to do it, felt loose or something - but I was too anxious to go with it, it was dark and I expected to see something at the end of my bed - so with that attitude you just know I would have...

I am really interested now!  Does anybody have that flickering effect?  When do you get the vibrations?  How long do you have to put up with sensations before you exit?  I cant even refer to my Astral Dynamics as I leant it so somebody!        

What exactly are blockages in the energy body?  

When I raise energy I notice that there is strong sensation in my right ankle which corresponds with a physical ache I have sometimes, from driving I think.  So a major problem I have is that when energy reaches my chest area my heart goes into overdrive, feels like it is trying to get out of my chest.  

Does this mean then, as with my ankle, that I have a corresponding physical problem with my heart?

Is the blockage in my heart or my heart chakra?  (How can it be heart chakra as I am not working with Primaries?)

How long does it take to clear blockages?  I have been doing NEW for 3 months now and the sensation in my heart is always the same - very distracting, I can barely breath with it...

Can I do the exercises for energy blockages on my heart area?  Breaking bread, wrapping etc.,?  The energy sensation is so strong that I try very hard not to have my awareness there at all.

Anybody else have the same problem in the heart area?

     

Does anybody experience strange energy sensations in the head, apart from headaches that is?  Last night I was raising energy before sleep, as usual I cant trace a path the energy takes, but I suddenly get a rushing feeling in the top of my head which makes me want to duck my head in reflex.  Thinking about it today, I realise I have had this sensation or variations of this sensation before, last week and even long before starting energy raising. I dont know if this is connected to the energy raising but I woke this morning with a nightmare, went back to sleep and awoke again with another nightmare.  Infact it has taken me most of the day being busy to try to shake off that awful feeling, that it was infact only a dream.  Perhaps the energy is shifting blockages, bringing out rubbish I need to deal with?  

But what about having the sensation long before doing NEW, is this a medical symptom of something? Should I check it out with my GP do you think?

I am becoming obsessed with NEW.  Every day I discover something NEW with energy - it's amazing.  

Yesterday, I had to wait half an hour at the Opticians.  Rather than twiddle my thumbs, thought I'd do the NEW exercises.  I was rather blase as sitting in a waiting room with other people, didn't think I could summon enough concentration to actually raise any energy.  It was surprisingly easy, but left me a bit shakey and shivering.  I had the strangest sensation that my jaw was going to start shaking...  Anyway, to cut a long story short it was a very 'energetic' afternoon/evening.

I woke up in the middle of the night, no reason in particular, I reached over to touch my partner.  He was snoring softly but he grabbed my hand, lacing the fingers, and held it to his chest.  Immediately I felt as though my hand was dipping into molten lead.  I could feel this very heavy energy sensation rising through every little bone in my fingers and hand, the bones ached, when it reached my wrist I snatched my hand away.  The aching rose into my forearm but faded away at the elbow.

What happened here?  Surely I cant absorb my partners energy?  He knows nothing of energy, isn't interested and was asleep anyway.  I had no thought of energy or intent - how can this happen?  I didn't allow it to continue but what if I had?  Do I then deplete his energy reserves?  Do I then absorb his ailments with his energy?  I cant suddenly turn into a sponge and absorb other people's energy - yuck!  And if I can absorb his energy, maybe other people can take mine??

My theory is that he placed my hand over his heart chakra when it was active or something?  I have 5 million questions - where can I get answers?  Can anybody recommend some books I can read?  I really need to know more.

I went for my Qi Gong class tonight and at one point the instructer was explaining a movement, describing it as pulling energy into the feet, pulling it up the body and then throwing it out through your hands.  I just had to tell him then that I had raised energy and it was quite scarey for me.  He then tells me that I am 'gifted' and that it takes years to learn that.  I had to wait for a break in the exercises before I then said to him that in fact it only takes a month and anybody can do it - he disagreed but it's a fast paced class so I didn't have a chance to explain.  I am finding it so hard - I really want to talk about all these amazing things and nobody is interested - even the people who are trying to learn about energy!  None of the other students asked me about it, but I know I would have been the first person to ask me how/what/why...  They had a lively discussion on the benefits of a detox massage before the class started (yawn...)

My partner is Catholic and wont discuss such things, my friends would look at me like I was nuts if I ever mentioned it - I'm starting to feel like my interest in these things is becoming a dirty secret, I shall not mention such again outside of this forum...

Maybe you should try working on a different area.  Try the toes/feet and see if that also makes you neuseaus.

If you are doing the whole NEW body circuit, then this will be taking energy down through the chest and clearing blockages.

I often work on my lungs without stimulating the heart chakra.  I do the NEW exercises (ripping, brushing, stirring etc.,) just avoiding the centre line of my chest.  Afterwards I usually start coughing as my lungs clear.

Maybe the $10 would concentrate the mind.  People might actually read the posts that they are replying to.

I miss the old forum.

Try this link: http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/articles.htm

Is anybody from this forum going to attend the workshop?

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And that is my final word on this forum.  Over and out.

Ok, I went into cache and upped the disk space allocation.  I emptied my cache.  It is still slow.  I haven't a clue about speeds.  All I know is that I didn't have a problem with the old forum and I haven't changed my computer.  I also dont have problems on other websites.

Less than a second you say?  It took me 18 seconds (I counted)to open this topic.  The report at the bottom of the page reads 0.52.  

Did you know the average time out for most people to wait for a page to load is 15 seconds?  And that must refer to women, it's probably 10 seconds for men.

Suicide is so hard to come to terms with. I'm very sorry.  I will say a prayer for her.

I got so bored after the first 5 paragraphs I couldn't read anymore...

Hi Dayze,

I read your story with horror.  I wish I could help but I am not very knowledgeable on these things - however, there are people here who may be able to assist.  Copy your post and put it under the 'Psychic Defence' heading.  Somebody there should be able to give you some advice.  

Good luck.